[DeTomaso] Missing Message

[MikeLDrew at aol.com]

In a message dated 5/8/14 20 05 1, msm at portata.com writes:


> "a substantial population still relies on AOL"
> 
> You have AOL confused with AARP.  It is an easy mistake as they are 
> basically the same group.
> 
>>>HAHAHAHA!!!
> 
> 
> >The servers through which your email passes are owned by various private, 
> public, and governmental organizations.  Each server checks your email.  
> If it decides that your email is spam, it will just simply drop it without 
> notification.  The servers owned by AOL are particularly picky about what is 
> and is not spam. 
> 
>>>The interesting thing is, messages sent directly from an AOL user to 
another AOL user get through just fine.   If an AOL user sends a message to the 
forum and CCs me, I get the direct copy, but not the forum copy.   However, 
the forum copy is visible in the archives, indicating that it was received 
and processed, and sent out.

It seems that AOL is screening messages from the forum, and if they 
originate with an AOL user, they are being filtered out.   Other e-mail providers 
are allowing them through but sending them all to the spam folder.
> 
> >Finally, your PC/Mac has its own set of rules about what it considers to 
> be spam.  If it decides that a message is spam, it will automatically move 
> it to your spam AKA junk folder.
> 
>>>The computer doesn't make that determination, at least not for an AOL 
user.   AOL makes that determination.   That spam message (that is, a message 
originating from some place other than the forum, i.e. a viagra through the 
mail ad) is routed to my spam folder no matter what device I use to access 
my mail--computer, Iphone, Ipad, or internet browser.
> 
> >If a message is in your spam folder, it was your PC/Mac that put it 
> there. 
> 
>>>I'm sure AOL is not unique in this regard, so I think you're wrong about 
that.   GMail is a web-based system, right?   A message gets into a GMail 
user's spam folder, and this is machine-independent.   GMail makes that 
determination, not the guy's machine?

> > If a message never arrives, some server along the way dropped it.  That 
> server may or may not be owned by AOL.  You have little recourse over 
> dropped messages.
> 
> >>>This has happened in the past, and forum administrators had to contact 
> AOL and put a foot in their asses to get them to un-block traffic from the 
> forum.
> 
> >Yes, it is trivially easy for the NSA to scan billions of messages every 
> day.
> 
>>>I guess so!   Now if only we could get OUR messages through!

Mike
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   In a message dated 5/8/14 20 05 1, msm at portata.com writes:

     "a substantial population still relies on AOL"
     You have AOL confused with AARP.  It is an easy mistake as they are
     basically the same group.

   >>>HAHAHAHA!!!

     >The servers through which your email passes are owned by various
     private, public, and governmental organizations.  Each server checks
     your email.  If it decides that your email is spam, it will just
     simply drop it without notification.  The servers owned by AOL are
     particularly picky about what is and is not spam.

   >>>The interesting thing is, messages sent directly from an AOL user to
   another AOL user get through just fine.  If an AOL user sends a message
   to the forum and CCs me, I get the direct copy, but not the forum
   copy.  However, the forum copy is visible in the archives, indicating
   that it was received and processed, and sent out.
   It seems that AOL is screening messages from the forum, and if they
   originate with an AOL user, they are being filtered out.  Other e-mail
   providers are allowing them through but sending them all to the spam
   folder.

     >Finally, your PC/Mac has its own set of rules about what it
     considers to be spam.  If it decides that a message is spam, it will
     automatically move it to your spam AKA junk folder.

   >>>The computer doesn't make that determination, at least not for an
   AOL user.  AOL makes that determination.  That spam message (that is, a
   message originating from some place other than the forum, i.e. a viagra
   through the mail ad) is routed to my spam folder no matter what device
   I use to access my mail--computer, Iphone, Ipad, or internet browser.

     >If a message is in your spam folder, it was your PC/Mac that put it
     there.

   >>>I'm sure AOL is not unique in this regard, so I think you're wrong
   about that.  GMail is a web-based system, right?  A message gets into a
   GMail user's spam folder, and this is machine-independent.  GMail makes
   that determination, not the guy's machine?

     > If a message never arrives, some server along the way dropped it.
     That server may or may not be owned by AOL.  You have little
     recourse over dropped messages.
     >>>This has happened in the past, and forum administrators had to
     contact AOL and put a foot in their asses to get them to un-block
     traffic from the forum.

     >Yes, it is trivially easy for the NSA to scan billions of messages
     every day.

   >>>I guess so!  Now if only we could get OUR messages through!
   Mike