[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 119, Issue 6

Trip Owen lance730 at msn.com
Tue May 6 18:37:20 EDT 2014


ok - put a chair up against it, if you want - will try to get there Wed. or Thurs. - by the way - 
are you guys extending or vacating, end of Jluy, I think
Trip
 
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: Harmonic balancer (Ken Green)
>    2. Re: Corbeau Seats (Himes, Terry (397C))
>    3. Re: Corbeau Seats (Will Kooiman)
>    4. Re: replacement seats (Will Kooiman)
>    5. Sniping (Ron)
>    6. Re: Harmonic balancer (cengles at cox.net)
>    7. Re: replacement seats (Mark Tumbarello)
>    8. Ride (Tom Shinrock)
>    9. Re: Ride (Christopher Kimball)
>   10. Re: replacement seats (Will Kooiman)
>   11. Re: Sniping (Boyd Casey)
>   12. Re: Corbeau Seats (Boyd Casey)
>   13. Re: Corbeau Seats (Boyd Casey)
>   14. POCA Fun Rally Raffle - Chapter and Individual Donations
>       (Mike Thomas)
>   15. Re: Harmonic balancer (Tony DiGiovanna)
>   16. Re: Harmonic balancer (Boyd Casey)
>   17. Re: Harmonic balancer (Boyd Casey)
>   18. A Pantera on the track (Kirby Schrader)
>   19. Re: Harmonic balancer (Ken Green)
>   20. Re: Corbeau Seats (Will Kooiman)
>   21. Re: Harmonic balancer (Ken Green)
>   22. Re: [TPR] A Pantera on the track (David)
>   23. eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's (Michael Cox)
>   24. Re: eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's (Pantdino)
>   25. Re: eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's (Michael Cox)
>   26. Re: Harmonic balancer (Will Kooiman)
>   27. Re: [TPR] A Pantera on the track (B Hower)
>   28. Re: Harmonic balancer (cengles at cox.net)
>   29. Re: Harmonic balancer (Boyd Casey)
>   30. Re: Need Help gerbox (Freddy Henningsen)
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>,	"boyd411 at gmail.com"
> 	<boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID:
> 	<1399318846.14118.YahooMailNeo at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I thought people liked the Romac damper:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
> 
> Are there diameter issues,?3 bolt vs 4?bolt pattern, etc?
> 
> Ken
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com 
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>   
> 
> Dear Boyd,
> 
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  There are lots of options.? I would not recommend the 
> Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly 
> modified application.? You could simply get a Ford replacement or 
> equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is paramount.
> 
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and 
> Rollmaster (IIRC).?  I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it 
> was a little less than $300.? ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range I 
> believe.
> 
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock 
> type replacement would be adequate for most uses.? If your mildly 
> modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the above 
> balancers.? They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but a 
> good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for hipo 
> engines.
> 
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  FWIW,? Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> 
> > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a 
> > wide
> > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i 
> > tried
> > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the consensus 
> > as
> > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351 
> > Cleveland
> > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then 
> > is
> > necessary? , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
> > Thanks,
> > Boyd
> >
> >
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>    I thought people liked the Romac damper:
>    [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Clevelan
>    d-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
>    Are there diameter issues, 3 bolt vs 4 bolt pattern, etc?
>    Ken
>    From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
>    To: boyd411 at gmail.com
>    Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>    Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>    Dear Boyd,
>                  There are lots of options.  I would not recommend the
>    Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
>    modified application.  You could simply get a Ford replacement or
>    equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is paramount.
>                    The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and
>    Rollmaster (IIRC).  I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
>    was a little less than $300.  ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range
>    I
>    believe.
>                    I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
>    type replacement would be adequate for most uses.  If your mildly
>    modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the
>    above
>    balancers.  They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but
>    a
>    good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for
>    hipo
>    engines.
>                          FWIW,  Chuck Engles
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
>    > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
>    > wide
>    > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i
>    > tried
>    > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
>    consensus
>    > as
>    > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
>    > Cleveland
>    > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then
>    > is
>    > necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
>    > Thanks,
>    > Boyd
>    >
>    >
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> References
> 
>    1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:41:49 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Mirril
> 	M.	McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> Message-ID: <CF8D375C.55D2D%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I'm IN for seats also!    I hate my Corvette seats.
> 
> 
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
> Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> ??
> 
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>" <michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>
> Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:51 AM
> To: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net<mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net>>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> 
> I have attached the bracket guide.
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net<mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net>>wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that Corbeau
> make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the seats are a good
> value.
> 
> I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there was a
> Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for the Pantera.
> 
> Let us know your thoughts.
> 
> #6859 WAYBAC
> 
> /\/\
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> 
> Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only orders.
> (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
> http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to become
> a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the BEST
> pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now, see the
> Corbeau website for current pricing.
> But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
> friends.
> So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we can
> get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> --
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> www.michaelshortt.com
> michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> 912-232-9390
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> www.michaelshortt.com
> michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> 912-232-9390
> 
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> -------------- next part --------------
>    I'm IN for seats also!    I hate my Corvette seats.
> 
>    Terry W. Himes
> 
>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> 
>    Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
> 
>    Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
> 
>    Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
> 
>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
> 
>    Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> 
>    Fax:     (818) 393-3147
> 
>    [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 
>    From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>    Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:51 AM
>    To: "Mirril M. McMullen" <[4]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>    Cc: "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> 
>    I have attached the bracket guide.
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>    <[7]mirrilm at earthlink.net>wrote:
> 
>    Michael,
> 
>    I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that Corbeau
> 
>    make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the seats are a
>    good
> 
>    value.
> 
>    I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there was
>    a
> 
>    Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for the
>    Pantera.
> 
>    Let us know your thoughts.
> 
>    #6859 WAYBAC
> 
>    /\/\
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
> 
>    From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> 
>    [9]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
> 
>    To: [10]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> 
>    Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
>    orders.
> 
>    (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
> 
>    [11]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to
>    become
> 
>    a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the BEST
> 
>    pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now, see
>    the
> 
>    Corbeau website for current pricing.
> 
>    But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
> 
>    friends.
> 
>    So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
>    can
> 
>    get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
> 
>    Michael Shortt
> 
>    --
> 
>    Michael L. Shortt
> 
>    Savannah, Georgia
> 
>    www.michaelshortt.com
> 
>    [12]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>    912-232-9390
> 
>    This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
>    18
> 
>    U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
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>    retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication
>    is
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> 
>    this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
> 
>    --
>    Michael L. Shortt
>    Savannah, Georgia
>    www.michaelshortt.com
>    [13]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    912-232-9390
>    This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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> References
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>    2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    4. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    7. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>   12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   13. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:45:54 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>,	"Mirril
> 	M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> Message-ID: <CF8D61FE.78686%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> You want brackets for a 911.  It is very flat, and the 911 has a flat
> floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
> 
> But it might not be low enough.  That's what I'm dealing with right now.
> My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
> bolted to the bracket.  I need to spend some time mocking it up to see
> what needs to move.
> 
> But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a 911.
> Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
> --
> Will
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >   I have attached the bracket guide.
> >
> >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> >   <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >     Michael,
> >     I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
> >     Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
> >     seats are a good value.
> >     I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
> >     was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for
> >     the Pantera.
> >     Let us know your thoughts.
> >     #6859 WAYBAC
> >     /\/\
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> >   [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >   Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
> >   To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> >   Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
> >   orders.
> >   (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
> >   [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to
> >   become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the
> >   BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now,
> >   see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
> >   But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
> >   friends.
> >   So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
> >   can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
> >   Michael Shortt
> >   --
> >   Michael L. Shortt
> >   Savannah, Georgia
> >   [6]www.michaelshortt.com
> >   [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >   [8]912-232-9390
> >   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
> >   18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >   privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> >   notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> >   this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the sender
> >   that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A Thank
> >   you
> >
> >   --
> >   Michael L. Shortt
> >   Savannah, Georgia
> >   [9]www.michaelshortt.com
> >   [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >   912-232-9390
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> >References
> >
> >   1. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
> >   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >   3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >   5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
> >   6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >   7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >   8. tel:912-232-9390
> >   9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:54:47 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,	Mark Tumbarello
> 	<ollerabmut at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> Message-ID: <CF8D63E0.78693%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
> 
> The holes were extra, but not much.
> 
> I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl.  I'm not at home
> right now, so I can't look.  I remember that full leather was much more
> expensive.  They might even send them out to be recovered in leather.
> 
> The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of seats.
> Sit in as many as possible.  We are all built differently, and we have
> different preferences.  I love the LG1 seats.  There were many other seats
> that I didn't like.
> --
> Will
> 
> From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date:  Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
> To:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc:  Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> 
> Will,
> They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except mine are
> nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are your
> seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an extra cost
> option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed that Corbeau
> also offer an option the have the seat cushion height shaved an inch for
> $45. I think that would help with the height issue. I am looking at the
> Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing about the corbeau leather
> option is that the entire seat (front and back) is upholstered in leather .
> Most people don't realize that even when you get leather upholstery from the
> factory in most makes only the seat faces are actually leather with the
> remainder of the seat in Vinyl.
> 
>         On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
> Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery called
> "MB Tex"  which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that Mercedes uses. I
> wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would have made the same
> choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had Vinyl interior  ( Mercedes
> does offer leather  as an option on the less expensive models but it is
> standard on their flagship s-class and even has two levels of napa leather
> upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is the best vinyl interior I have ever
> experienced .
> 
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Boyd ? the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat.  I always had
> > a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the place.
> > 
> > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats.  They do not look like
> > 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats.  They look like they belong in the
> > car.  You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of options ? materials, with or
> > without harness holes, colors, etc.  These options either make the seat look
> > like they were done by the factory or like they were done by a clown.
> > 
> > There's a pic on this forum:
> > http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
> > 
> > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all black.
> > 
> > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster.  I don't know how
> > comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or not, the side
> > support will be worth it.
> > 
> > 
> > From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > Date:  Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
> > To:  Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> > Cc:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> > <detomaso at poca.com>
> > 
> > Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> > 
> > Will, 
> > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find the add
> > support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard cornering. There is
> > a reason all modern performance cars use seats of similar design.I think your
> > seats look great in your car.  Thanks for  sharing your experience with me.
> > Boyd
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those different
> >> fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have Recaro style
> >> seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned. I have six
> >> point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at maintaining the
> >> six point harness in the proper position . In the event of an accident it is
> >> extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly positioned submarine belt and
> >> in order for it to be placed in the correct position you must have have an
> >> anchor point that goes through the seat ( not wrapped forward around the
> >> front of the seat. Improper positioning of multi point harnesses (5 or 6) can
> >> result in serious injury or death. So despite your preference for the
> >> aesthetic appeal of the stock seat if you plan on doing more with your
> >> Pantera then car shows then it is essential that you optimize your car to
> >> provide the maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I happen to like
> >> (in fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat).  If I wanted a Pantera
> >> solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want seats that
> >> not only provide a more stable driving position (like a Recaro style seat)
> >> but one that is also FIA approved ( like an authentic Recaro, Corbeau or
> >> Sparco) and is built to a higher quality standard.
> >> Boyd
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
> >>> You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would take
> >>> place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest seat in a
> >>> pantera  just looks wrong. Just an opinion
> >>>  
> >>>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
> >>>> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> >>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >>> 
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats.  They fit my body, and they
> >>>> > look proper in the Pantera.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or through a
> >>>> > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out, and order
> >>>> > local.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > I am bolting mine to the floor.  They are almost low enough rails and a
> >>>> > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > 
> >>>>> > >   I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was wondering
> if
> >>>>> > >   anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau seats that
> >>>>> > >   they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and a fixed
> >>>>> > >   back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like the
> >>>>> Recaro
> >>>>> > >   pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may add some
> >>>>> much
> >>>>> > >   needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style" seats
> >>>>> > >   (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then the
> >>>>> "Fixed
> >>>>> > >   back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a helmet.I
> >>>>> know
> >>>>> > >   Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many high end
> >>>>> cars
> >>>>> > >   , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in their
> >>>>> > >   Panteras or other cars?
> >>>>> > >   Thanks,
> >>>>> > >   Boyd
> >>>>> > >_______________________________________________
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> >>>>> > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> >>>> > 
> >>>> > 
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> >> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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>    The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
>    The holes were extra, but not much.
>    I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl.  I'm not at
>    home right now, so I can't look.  I remember that full leather was much
>    more expensive.  They might even send them out to be recovered in
>    leather.
>    The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of
>    seats.  Sit in as many as possible.  We are all built differently, and
>    we have different preferences.  I love the LG1 seats.  There were many
>    other seats that I didn't like.
>    --
>    Will
> 
>    From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
>    To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>    Cc: Mark Tumbarello <[3]ollerabmut at msn.com>, "[4]detomaso at poca.com"
>    <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> 
>    Will,
>    They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except mine
>    are nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are
>    your seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an
>    extra cost option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed
>    that Corbeau also offer an option the have the seat cushion height
>    shaved an inch for $45. I think that would help with the height issue.
>    I am looking at the Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing
>    about the corbeau leather option is that the entire seat (front and
>    back) is upholstered in leather . Most people don't realize that even
>    when you get leather upholstery from the factory in most makes only the
>    seat faces are actually leather with the remainder of the seat in
>    Vinyl.
>            On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
>    Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery
>    called "MB Tex"  which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that
>    Mercedes uses. I wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would
>    have made the same choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had
>    Vinyl interior  ( Mercedes does offer leather  as an option on the less
>    expensive models but it is standard on their flagship s-class and even
>    has two levels of napa leather upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is
>    the best vinyl interior I have ever experienced .
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman
>    <[6]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>    Boyd - the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat.  I
>    always had a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the
>    place.
>    My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats.  They do not
>    look like 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats.  They look like
>    they belong in the car.  You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of
>    options - materials, with or without harness holes, colors, etc.  These
>    options either make the seat look like they were done by the factory or
>    like they were done by a clown.
>    There's a pic on this forum:
>    [7]http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
>    Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
>    black.
>    The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster.  I don't
>    know how comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or
>    not, the side support will be worth it.
>    From: Boyd Casey <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
>    To: Mark Tumbarello <[9]ollerabmut at msn.com>
>    Cc: Will Kooiman <[10]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "[11]detomaso at poca.com"
>    <[12]detomaso at poca.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
>    Will,
>    Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find the
>    add support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard
>    cornering. There is a reason all modern performance cars use seats of
>    similar design.I think your seats look great in your car.  Thanks for
>    sharing your experience with me.
>    Boyd
>    On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <[13]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those different
>    fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have Recaro
>    style seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned.
>    I have six point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at
>    maintaining the six point harness in the proper position . In the event
>    of an accident it is extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly
>    positioned submarine belt and in order for it to be placed in the
>    correct position you must have have an anchor point that goes through
>    the seat ( not wrapped forward around the front of the seat. Improper
>    positioning of multi point harnesses (5 or 6) can result in serious
>    injury or death. So despite your preference for the aesthetic appeal of
>    the stock seat if you plan on doing more with your Pantera then car
>    shows then it is essential that you optimize your car to provide the
>    maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I happen to like (in
>    fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat).  If I wanted a Pantera
>    solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want
>    seats that not only provide a more stable driving position (like a
>    Recaro style seat) but one that is also FIA approved ( like an
>    authentic Recaro, Corbeau or Sparco) and is built to a higher quality
>    standard.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello
>    <[14]ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
> 
>    You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would take
>    place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest seat in a
>    pantera  just looks wrong. Just an opinion
> 
>    > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
>    > From: [15]will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    > To: [16]boyd411 at gmail.com; [17]detomaso at poca.com
>    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
>    >
>    > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats. They fit my body, and they
>    > look proper in the Pantera.
>    >
>    > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
>    >
>    > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or
>    through a
>    > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out, and
>    order
>    > local.
>    >
>    > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
>    >
>    > I am bolting mine to the floor. They are almost low enough rails and
>    a
>    > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
>    >
>    > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
>    >
>    > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[18]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>    >
>    > > I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was
>    wondering if
>    > > anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau seats that
>    > > they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and a fixed
>    > > back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like the
>    Recaro
>    > > pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may add some
>    much
>    > > needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style" seats
>    > > (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then the
>    "Fixed
>    > > back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a helmet.I
>    know
>    > > Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many high end
>    cars
>    > > , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in their
>    > > Panteras or other cars?
>    > > Thanks,
>    > > Boyd
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> References
> 
>    1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    6. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    7. http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
>    8. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    9. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
>   10. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>   11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   13. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>   14. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
>   15. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>   16. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>   17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   18. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>   19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:21:44 -0700
> From: "Ron" <ron at teamecc.com>
> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Sniping
> Message-ID: <5DBCC733FC3B4A04A020CD0CD78AA197 at Ron>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>   Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at each
> other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
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>      Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at each
> 
>    other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:30:17 +0000 (GMT)
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID: <17c417a.9bf05.145ce1472d3.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> 
> Dear Ken,
> 
> 
>                   Ach dul Lieber!  My mistake.  I said Rollmaster and I 
> meant Romac.  It is a good balancer.  I know they make one for the 
> Cleveland.  The one I had did have four holes and bolted right up with 
> all the other parts.   I don't recall any diameter issues, although the 
> aftermarket balancers can be a larger than stock and require a different 
> timing marker and/or a bit of gentle grinding on the lower aspect of the 
> water pump in the event of "interference" between the parts.
> 
>                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought people liked the Romac damper:
> 
>  
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659 
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659> 
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> 
>  
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> Are there diameter issues, 3 bolt vs 4 bolt pattern, etc? 
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> 
>  
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> Ken 
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> 
>  
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> 
>  
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
>  
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
> From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> 
> Dear Boyd,
> 
>                 There are lots of options.  I would not recommend the
> Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
> modified application.  You could simply get a Ford replacement or
> equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is paramount.
> 
>                   The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and
> Rollmaster (IIRC).   I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
> was a little less than $300.  ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range I
> believe.
> 
>                  I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
> type replacement would be adequate for most uses.  If your mildly
> modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the above
> balancers.  They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but a
> good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for hipo
> engines.
> 
>                         FWIW,  Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> 
> > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have  noticed a 
> > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure 
> > if i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is 
> > the consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera 
> > with 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to 
> > spend more money then is necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any 
> > pointers or suggestions? Thanks, Boyd
> >
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>    Dear Ken,
> 
>                     Ach dul Lieber!  My mistake.  I said Rollmaster and I
>    meant Romac.  It is a good balancer.  I know they make one for the
>    Cleveland.  The one I had did have four holes and bolted right up with
>    all the other parts.   I don't recall any diameter issues, although the
>    aftermarket balancers can be a larger than stock and require a
>    different timing marker and/or a bit of gentle grinding on the lower
>    aspect of the water pump in the event of "interference" between the
>    parts.
> 
>                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ken Green wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>    I thought people liked the Romac damper:
> 
>    [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Clevelan
>    d-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
> 
>    Are there diameter issues, 3 bolt vs 4 bolt pattern, etc?
> 
>    Ken
> 
>    From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
> 
>    To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> 
>    Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> 
>    Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
> 
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> 
>    Dear Boyd,
> 
>                   There are lots of options.  I would not recommend the
> 
>    Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
> 
>    modified application.  You could simply get a Ford replacement or
> 
>    equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is paramount.
> 
>                     The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and
> 
>    Rollmaster (IIRC).   I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
> 
>    was a little less than $300.  ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range
>    I
> 
>    believe.
> 
>                    I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
> 
>    type replacement would be adequate for most uses.  If your mildly
> 
>    modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the
>    above
> 
>    balancers.  They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but
>    a
> 
>    good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for
>    hipo
> 
>    engines.
> 
>                           FWIW,  Chuck Engles
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> 
>    > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have  noticed a
> 
>    > wide
> 
>    > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i
> 
>    > tried
> 
>    > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
>    consensus
> 
>    > as
> 
>    > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
> 
>    > Cleveland
> 
>    > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then
> 
>    > is
> 
>    > necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
> 
>    > Thanks,
> 
>    > Boyd
> 
>    >
> 
>    >
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:57:25 -0700
> From: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Boyd Casey
> 	<boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> Message-ID: <BLU170-W42CE8CE1E1AA753D080ECDD24C0 at phx.gbl>
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> Here's what I should have said, Nice seats check these out http://classiccarseats.com. I like the Nurbergring syle, I believe they were used in some early panteras  
> 
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:54:47 -0400
> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com; ollerabmut at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> 
> The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
>  
> The holes were extra, but not much.
>  
> I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl.  I'm not at home
> right now, so I can't look.  I remember that full leather was much more
> expensive.  They might even send them out to be recovered in leather.
>  
> The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of seats.
> Sit in as many as possible.  We are all built differently, and we have
> different preferences.  I love the LG1 seats.  There were many other seats
> that I didn't like.
> --
> Will
>  
> From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date:  Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
> To:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc:  Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
>  
> Will,
> They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except mine are
> nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are your
> seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an extra cost
> option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed that Corbeau
> also offer an option the have the seat cushion height shaved an inch for
> $45. I think that would help with the height issue. I am looking at the
> Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing about the corbeau leather
> option is that the entire seat (front and back) is upholstered in leather .
> Most people don't realize that even when you get leather upholstery from the
> factory in most makes only the seat faces are actually leather with the
> remainder of the seat in Vinyl.
>  
>         On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
> Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery called
> "MB Tex"  which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that Mercedes uses. I
> wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would have made the same
> choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had Vinyl interior  ( Mercedes
> does offer leather  as an option on the less expensive models but it is
> standard on their flagship s-class and even has two levels of napa leather
> upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is the best vinyl interior I have ever
> experienced .
>  
> Boyd
>  
>  
> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Boyd ? the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat.  I always had
> > a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the place.
> > 
> > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats.  They do not look like
> > 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats.  They look like they belong in the
> > car.  You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of options ? materials, with or
> > without harness holes, colors, etc.  These options either make the seat look
> > like they were done by the factory or like they were done by a clown.
> > 
> > There's a pic on this forum:
> > http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
> > 
> > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all black.
> > 
> > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster.  I don't know how
> > comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or not, the side
> > support will be worth it.
> > 
> > 
> > From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > Date:  Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
> > To:  Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> > Cc:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> > <detomaso at poca.com>
> > 
> > Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> > 
> > Will, 
> > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find the add
> > support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard cornering. There is
> > a reason all modern performance cars use seats of similar design.I think your
> > seats look great in your car.  Thanks for  sharing your experience with me.
> > Boyd
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those different
> >> fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have Recaro style
> >> seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned. I have six
> >> point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at maintaining the
> >> six point harness in the proper position . In the event of an accident it is
> >> extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly positioned submarine belt and
> >> in order for it to be placed in the correct position you must have have an
> >> anchor point that goes through the seat ( not wrapped forward around the
> >> front of the seat. Improper positioning of multi point harnesses (5 or 6) can
> >> result in serious injury or death. So despite your preference for the
> >> aesthetic appeal of the stock seat if you plan on doing more with your
> >> Pantera then car shows then it is essential that you optimize your car to
> >> provide the maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I happen to like
> >> (in fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat).  If I wanted a Pantera
> >> solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want seats that
> >> not only provide a more stable driving position (like a Recaro style seat)
> >> but one that is also FIA approved ( like an authentic Recaro, Corbeau or
> >> Sparco) and is built to a higher quality standard.
> >> Boyd
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
> >>> You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would take
> >>> place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest seat in a
> >>> pantera  just looks wrong. Just an opinion
> >>>  
> >>>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
> >>>> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> >>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >>> 
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats.  They fit my body, and they
> >>>> > look proper in the Pantera.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or through a
> >>>> > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out, and order
> >>>> > local.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > I am bolting mine to the floor.  They are almost low enough rails and a
> >>>> > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > 
> >>>>> > >   I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was wondering
> if
> >>>>> > >   anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau seats that
> >>>>> > >   they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and a fixed
> >>>>> > >   back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like the
> >>>>> Recaro
> >>>>> > >   pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may add some
> >>>>> much
> >>>>> > >   needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style" seats
> >>>>> > >   (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then the
> >>>>> "Fixed
> >>>>> > >   back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a helmet.I
> >>>>> know
> >>>>> > >   Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many high end
> >>>>> cars
> >>>>> > >   , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in their
> >>>>> > >   Panteras or other cars?
> >>>>> > >   Thanks,
> >>>>> > >   Boyd
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>    Here's what I should have said, Nice seats check these out
>    [1]http://classiccarseats.com. I like the Nurbergring syle, I believe
>    they were used in some early panteras
>    Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:54:47 -0400
>    From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    To: boyd411 at gmail.com
>    CC: detomaso at poca.com; ollerabmut at msn.com
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
> 
> The holes were extra, but not much.
> 
> I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl.  I'm not at home
> right now, so I can't look.  I remember that full leather was much more
> expensive.  They might even send them out to be recovered in leather.
> 
> The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of seats.
> Sit in as many as possible.  We are all built differently, and we have
> different preferences.  I love the LG1 seats.  There were many other seats
> that I didn't like.
> --
> Will
> 
> From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date:  Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
> To:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc:  Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> 
> Will,
> They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except mine are
> nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are your
> seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an extra cost
> option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed that Corbeau
> also offer an option the have the seat cushion height shaved an inch for
> $45. I think that would help with the height issue. I am looking at the
> Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing about the corbeau leather
> option is that the entire seat (front and back) is upholstered in leather .
> Most people don't realize that even when you get leather upholstery from the
> factory in most makes only the seat faces are actually leather with the
> remainder of the seat in Vinyl.
> 
>         On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
> Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery called
> "MB Tex"  which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that Mercedes uses. I
> wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would have made the same
> choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had Vinyl interior  ( Mercedes
> does offer leather  as an option on the less expensive models but it is
> standard on their flagship s-class and even has two levels of napa leather
> upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is the best vinyl interior I have ever
> experienced .
> 
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Boyd  the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat.  I always had
> > a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the place.
> >
> > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats.  They do not look like
> > 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats.  They look like they belong in the
> > car.  You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of options  materials, with or
> > without harness holes, colors, etc.  These options either make the seat look
> > like they were done by the factory or like they were done by a clown.
> >
> > There's a pic on this forum:
> > [2]http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
> >
> > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all black.
> >
> > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster.  I don't know how
> > comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or not, the side
> > support will be worth it.
> >
> >
> > From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > Date:  Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
> > To:  Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> > Cc:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> > <detomaso at poca.com>
> >
> > Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> >
> > Will,
> > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find the add
> > support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard cornering. There is
> > a reason all modern performance cars use seats of similar design.I think your
> > seats look great in your car.  Thanks for  sharing your experience with me.
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those different
> >> fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have Recaro style
> >> seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned. I have six
> >> point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at maintaining the
> >> six point harness in the proper position . In the event of an accident it is
> >> extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly positioned submarine belt and
> >> in order for it to be placed in the correct position you must have have an
> >> anchor point that goes through the seat ( not wrapped forward around the
> >> front of the seat. Improper positioning of multi point harnesses (5 or 6) can
> >> result in serious injury or death. So despite your preference for the
> >> aesthetic appeal of the stock seat if you plan on doing more with your
> >> Pantera then car shows then it is essential that you optimize your car to
> >> provide the maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I happen to like
> >> (in fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat).  If I wanted a Pantera
> >> solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want seats that
> >> not only provide a more stable driving position (like a Recaro style seat)
> >> but one that is also FIA approved ( like an authentic Recaro, Corbeau or
> >> Sparco) and is built to a higher quality standard.
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
> >>> You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would take
> >>> place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest seat in a
> >>> pantera  just looks wrong. Just an opinion
> >>>
> >>>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
> >>>> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> >>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >>>
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats.  They fit my body, and they
> >>>> > look proper in the Pantera.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or through a
> >>>> > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out, and order
> >>>> > local.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I am bolting mine to the floor.  They are almost low enough rails and a
> >>>> > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>>> > >   I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was wondering
> if
> >>>>> > >   anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau seats that
> >>>>> > >   they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and a fixed
> >>>>> > >   back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like the
> >>>>> Recaro
> >>>>> > >   pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may add some
> >>>>> much
> >>>>> > >   needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style" seats
> >>>>> > >   (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then the
> >>>>> "Fixed
> >>>>> > >   back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a helmet.I
> >>>>> know
> >>>>> > >   Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many high end
> >>>>> cars
> >>>>> > >   , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in their
> >>>>> > >   Panteras or other cars?
> >>>>> > >   Thanks,
> >>>>> > >   Boyd
> >>>>> > >_______________________________________________
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >DeTomaso mailing list
> >>>>> > >DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>> > >[3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >>>> >
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> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> References
> 
>    1. http://classiccarseats.com/
>    2. http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
>    3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>    4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ride
> Message-ID: <8D136C466E7CCD8-F7C-9B47 at webmail-va034.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when going to the various fun rally events?  
> 
> This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a car.  I'm trying to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more fun to ride in a Pantera.  I just don't know how tough it would be to find a ride.
> 
> I welcome opinions on what I should do.
> 
> Tom
> 5186
> 
> 
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>    Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when going
>    to the various fun rally events?
>    This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a car.
>    I'm trying to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more fun
>    to ride in a Pantera.  I just don't know how tough it would be to find
>    a ride.
>    I welcome opinions on what I should do.
>    Tom
>    5186
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:02:07 -0700
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>, Pantera list serve
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ride
> Message-ID: <SNT146-W90B42A86212FF27B5B034BBC4C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> My family will be with me through Thursday, but I'll be on my own when they fly out on Friday, so I'll have a seat open Friday and Saturday.
> Sincerely,
> Chris
> 
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> From: tmshinro at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:59:20 -0400
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ride
> 
> Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when going to the various fun rally events?  
>  
> This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a car.  I'm trying to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more fun to ride in a Pantera.  I just don't know how tough it would be to find a ride.
>  
> I welcome opinions on what I should do.
>  
> Tom
> 5186
>  
>  
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>    My family will be with me through Thursday, but I'll be on my own when
>    they fly out on Friday, so I'll have a seat open Friday and Saturday.
>    Sincerely,
>    Chris
>    To: detomaso at poca.com
>    From: tmshinro at aol.com
>    Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:59:20 -0400
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Ride
> Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when going to the va
> rious fun rally events?
> 
> This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a car.  I'm tryi
> ng to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more fun to ride in a Pante
> ra.  I just don't know how tough it would be to find a ride.
> 
> I welcome opinions on what I should do.
> 
> Tom
> 5186
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 07:01:25 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	<boyd411 at gmail.com>,	<ollerabmut at msn.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> Message-ID: <CF8CE6DA.A791%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I tried on Friday, but it was over the 1.5MB limit.
> 
> Here it is again at 1.4MB.
> 
> The harness holes are even with the location of the harness bar.
> 
> The seats aren't lined up correctly because they're not attached yet.  I had
> the floor pans dropped, but I can't attach the seats the way they were done.
> I'm trying to decide how to handle that one.
> 
> From:  <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Date:  Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:38 PM
> To:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <boyd411 at gmail.com>,
> <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> Cc:  <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> 
> 
> In a message dated 5/4/14 20 08 11, will.kooiman at gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all black.
> 
> 
> >>>Can you post a pic of your seats in your car?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
>    I tried on Friday, but it was over the 1.5MB limit.
> 
>    Here it is again at 1.4MB.
> 
>    The harness holes are even with the location of the harness bar.
> 
>    The seats aren't lined up correctly because they're not attached yet.
>    I had the floor pans dropped, but I can't attach the seats the way they
>    were done.  I'm trying to decide how to handle that one.
> 
>    From: <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>    Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:38 PM
>    To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com>,
>    <[4]ollerabmut at msn.com>
>    Cc: <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
> 
>    In a message dated 5/4/14 20 08 11, [6]will.kooiman at gmail.com writes:
> 
>      Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
>      black.
> 
>    >>>Can you post a pic of your seats in your car?
>    Mike
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>    2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    4. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
>    5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    6. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:21:23 -0400
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Ron <ron at teamecc.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sniping
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALsQ=ctAbE45r6d8cE-6Vt=MUQx5TJZZPR+QS9YdeONPsUF1Tw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> You are reintroducing a non issue. Mark and I have dropped the pursuit of
> our difference of opinion. Respectfully I suggest you do the same.
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Ron <ron at teamecc.com> wrote:
> 
> >      Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at each
> >
> >    other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
> >
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>    You are reintroducing a non issue. Mark and I have dropped the pursuit
>    of our difference of opinion. Respectfully I suggest you do the same.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Ron <[1]ron at teamecc.com> wrote:
> 
>      A  A  A Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at
>      each
>      A  A other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
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> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:24:42 -0400
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>,	"detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>,	"michael at michaelshortt.com"
> 	<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats , but on
> the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is available with
> an additional 1" shaved off the bottom  for an additional $49.00.
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > You want brackets for a 911.  It is very flat, and the 911 has a flat
> > floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
> >
> > But it might not be low enough.  That's what I'm dealing with right now.
> > My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
> > bolted to the bracket.  I need to spend some time mocking it up to see
> > what needs to move.
> >
> > But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a 911.
> > Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
> > --
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >   I have attached the bracket guide.
> > >
> > >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> > >   <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Michael,
> > >     I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
> > >     Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
> > >     seats are a good value.
> > >     I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
> > >     was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for
> > >     the Pantera.
> > >     Let us know your thoughts.
> > >     #6859 WAYBAC
> > >     /\/\
> > >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> > >   [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
> > >   Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
> > >   To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> > >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> > >   Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
> > >   orders.
> > >   (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
> > >   [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to
> > >   become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the
> > >   BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now,
> > >   see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
> > >   But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
> > >   friends.
> > >   So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
> > >   can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
> > >   Michael Shortt
> > >   --
> > >   Michael L. Shortt
> > >   Savannah, Georgia
> > >   [6]www.michaelshortt.com
> > >   [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
> > >   [8]912-232-9390
> > >   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
> > >   18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
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> > >   notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> > >   this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the sender
> > >   that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A Thank
> > >   you
> > >
> > >   --
> > >   Michael L. Shortt
> > >   Savannah, Georgia
> > >   [9]www.michaelshortt.com
> > >   [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
> > >   912-232-9390
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> > >   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > >   3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> > >   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > >   5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
> > >   6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> > >   7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> > >   8. tel:912-232-9390
> > >   9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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>    It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
>    but on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
>    available with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom A for an
>    additional $49.00.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
>    <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      You want brackets for a 911. A It is very flat, and the 911 has a
>      flat
>      floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
>      But it might not be low enough. A That's what I'm dealing with right
>      now.
>      My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
>      bolted to the bracket. A I need to spend some time mocking it up to
>      see
>      what needs to move.
>      But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
>      911.
>      Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
>      --
>      Will
>      On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com"
>      <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>      wrote:
> 
>    > A  I have attached the bracket guide.
>    >
>    > A  On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>    > A  <[1][4]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>    >
>    > A  A  Michael,
>    > A  A  I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
>    > A  A  Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
>    > A  A  seats are a good value.
>    > A  A  I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
>    there
>    > A  A  was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
>    for
>    > A  A  the Pantera.
>    > A  A  Let us know your thoughts.
>    > A  A  #6859 WAYBAC
>    > A  A  /\/\
>    >
>    > A  -----Original Message-----
>    > A  From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>    Of
>    > A  [3][6]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
>    > A  To: [4][7]detomaso at poca.com
>    > A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
>    > A  Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
>    > A  orders.
>    > A  (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices
>    (
>    > A  [5][8]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
>    asked to
>    > A  become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
>    get the
>    > A  BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
>    now,
>    > A  see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
>    > A  But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
>    Pantera
>    > A  friends.
>    > A  So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if
>    we
>    > A  can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
>    > A  Michael Shortt
>    > A  --
>    > A  Michael L. Shortt
>    > A  Savannah, Georgia
>    > A  [6][9]www.michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [7][10]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [8]912-232-9390
>    > A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>    Act,
>    > A  18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>    > A  privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>    hereby
>    > A  notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
>    copying of
>    > A  this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
>    sender
>    > A  that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
>    Thank
>    > A  you
>    >
>    > A  --
>    > A  Michael L. Shortt
>    > A  Savannah, Georgia
>    > A  [9][11]www.michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [10][12]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [13]912-232-9390
>    > A  A
>    > A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>    > A  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>    > A  privileged.A A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>    hereby
>    > A  notified
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>    > A  communication is strictly prohibited.A A Please reply to the
>    sender that
>    > A  you
>    > A  have received this message in error, then delete it.A A Thank you
>    >
>    >References
>    >
>    > A  1. mailto:[14]mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    > A  2. mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    > A  3. mailto:[16]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  4. mailto:[17]detomaso at poca.com
>    > A  5. [18]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>    > A  6. [19]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>    > A  7. mailto:[20]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  8. tel:[21]912-232-9390
>    > A  9. [22]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>    > A 10. mailto:[23]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
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> References
> 
>    1. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    4. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>    9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   13. tel:912-232-9390
>   14. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>   15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   18. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>   19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   21. tel:912-232-9390
>   22. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   23. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:29:20 -0400
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>,	"detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>,	"michael at michaelshortt.com"
> 	<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALsQ=csSphuG=0EuaRr=b1z-U3vmPebmLVWzTC2Sm6e3bTLmdg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit " brackets.
> Here is a link:Corbeau Universal mount Flat
> bracket<http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html>
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats , but
> > on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is available
> > with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom  for an additional $49.00.
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> You want brackets for a 911.  It is very flat, and the 911 has a flat
> >> floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
> >>
> >> But it might not be low enough.  That's what I'm dealing with right now.
> >> My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
> >> bolted to the bracket.  I need to spend some time mocking it up to see
> >> what needs to move.
> >>
> >> But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a 911.
> >> Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
> >> --
> >> Will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >   I have attached the bracket guide.
> >> >
> >> >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> >> >   <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >     Michael,
> >> >     I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
> >> >     Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
> >> >     seats are a good value.
> >> >     I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
> >> >     was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for
> >> >     the Pantera.
> >> >     Let us know your thoughts.
> >> >     #6859 WAYBAC
> >> >     /\/\
> >> >
> >> >   -----Original Message-----
> >> >   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> >> >   [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> >   Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
> >> >   To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> >> >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> >> >   Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
> >> >   orders.
> >> >   (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
> >> >   [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to
> >> >   become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get
> >> the
> >> >   BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now,
> >> >   see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
> >> >   But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
> >> >   friends.
> >> >   So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
> >> >   can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
> >> >   Michael Shortt
> >> >   --
> >> >   Michael L. Shortt
> >> >   Savannah, Georgia
> >> >   [6]www.michaelshortt.com
> >> >   [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> >   [8]912-232-9390
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> >> sender
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> >> >   you
> >> >
> >> >   --
> >> >   Michael L. Shortt
> >> >   Savannah, Georgia
> >> >   [9]www.michaelshortt.com
> >> >   [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> >   912-232-9390
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> >> >   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> >   3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> >   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> >   5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
> >> >   6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >> >   7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> >   8. tel:912-232-9390
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>    Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit "
>    brackets. Here is a link:[1]Corbeau Universal mount Flat bracket
>    Hope this helps.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
>    but on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
>    available with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom A for an
>    additional $49.00.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
>    <[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      You want brackets for a 911. A It is very flat, and the 911 has a
>      flat
>      floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
>      But it might not be low enough. A That's what I'm dealing with right
>      now.
>      My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
>      bolted to the bracket. A I need to spend some time mocking it up to
>      see
>      what needs to move.
>      But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
>      911.
>      Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
>      --
>      Will
>      On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "[4]michael at michaelshortt.com"
>      <[5]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>      wrote:
> 
>    > A  I have attached the bracket guide.
>    >
>    > A  On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>    > A  <[1][6]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>    >
>    > A  A  Michael,
>    > A  A  I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
>    > A  A  Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
>    > A  A  seats are a good value.
>    > A  A  I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
>    there
>    > A  A  was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
>    for
>    > A  A  the Pantera.
>    > A  A  Let us know your thoughts.
>    > A  A  #6859 WAYBAC
>    > A  A  /\/\
>    >
>    > A  -----Original Message-----
>    > A  From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>    Of
>    > A  [3][8]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
>    > A  To: [4][9]detomaso at poca.com
>    > A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
>    > A  Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
>    > A  orders.
>    > A  (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices
>    (
>    > A  [5][10]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
>    asked to
>    > A  become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
>    get the
>    > A  BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
>    now,
>    > A  see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
>    > A  But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
>    Pantera
>    > A  friends.
>    > A  So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if
>    we
>    > A  can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
>    > A  Michael Shortt
>    > A  --
>    > A  Michael L. Shortt
>    > A  Savannah, Georgia
>    > A  [6][11]www.michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [7][12]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [8]912-232-9390
>    > A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>    Act,
>    > A  18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>    > A  privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>    hereby
>    > A  notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
>    copying of
>    > A  this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
>    sender
>    > A  that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
>    Thank
>    > A  you
>    >
>    > A  --
>    > A  Michael L. Shortt
>    > A  Savannah, Georgia
>    > A  [9][13]www.michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [10][14]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  [15]912-232-9390
>    > A  A
>    > A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>    > A  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>    > A  privileged.A A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>    hereby
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>    > A  communication is strictly prohibited.A A Please reply to the
>    sender that
>    > A  you
>    > A  have received this message in error, then delete it.A A Thank you
>    >
>    >References
>    >
>    > A  1. mailto:[16]mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    > A  2. mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    > A  3. mailto:[18]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  4. mailto:[19]detomaso at poca.com
>    > A  5. [20]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>    > A  6. [21]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>    > A  7. mailto:[22]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    > A  8. tel:[23]912-232-9390
>    > A  9. [24]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>    > A 10. mailto:[25]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>    >_______________________________________________
>    >
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> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html
>    2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    6. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   10. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>   11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   13. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   14. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   15. tel:912-232-9390
>   16. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>   17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   20. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>   21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   23. tel:912-232-9390
>   24. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   25. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:56:57 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'DeTomaso Mail List'" <DeTomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: 'John Buckman' <jb841 at icloud.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Fun Rally Raffle - Chapter and Individual
> 	Donations
> Message-ID: <015701cf68ce$76cbc090$646341b0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Last call!  All aboard!!
> 
> If your POCA Chapter or you individually have any items you wish to donate
> to the POCA Fun Rally, and you need to ship them ahead so you don't have to
> lug them with you, please have them delivered to John Buckman in San Diego
> no later than Friday, May 23rd.  The Fun Rally comes right on the heels of
> the holiday weekend, and I'd hate for anyone's donation to get lost in the
> confusion.
> 
> Please ship to:
> POCA Fun Rally Raffle
> C/O John Buckman
> 738 Crest View Road
> Vista, CA  92081
> 760-420-4036
> 
> Please contact John to let him know what is coming so he can keep an
> inventory.  Sorry I'm not going to see all of you at this years' Rally to
> say thank you in person, but my wife and I will be in Peru touring the Machu
> Pichu and the Sacred Valley of the Incas the same week.  Darn . . .
> 
> Our sincerest thanks!
> Mike Thomas
> VP, POCA
> VP, Panteras Northwest
> Yellow '74 #6328
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 22:07:33 -0400
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: 'Boyd Casey' <boyd411 at gmail.com>, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID: <029d01cf68cf$f1d23d40$d576b7c0$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic balancer.  Like the one from Pioneer for $176.  See summit racing.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Casey
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> 
> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then is necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Boyd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:27:08 -0400
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALsQ=csPX_GYe2iYgBp_qij0r=cA9DGvo2cCdmGVdmSCpEbJVw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of them
> is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external balanced ,
> SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what do they mean as
> far as performance or other factors that would be important ?
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
> 
> > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> > balancer.  Like the one from Pioneer for $176.  See summit racing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Casey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> >
> > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a wide
> > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i tried
> > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the consensus as
> > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351 Cleveland
> > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then is
> > necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
> > Thanks,
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
>    The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
>    them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
>    balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
>    do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
>    important ?
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>    <[1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>      I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
>      balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
>    Casey
>    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
>    To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>    I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
>    wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
>    i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
>    consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with
>    351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more
>    money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
>    suggestions?
>    Thanks,
>    Boyd
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:36:58 -0400
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALsQ=cuH_+BTHz+zjVWSFRkJ9crB81uubJEF0Z4tesQFhk7r7g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read said
> the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be done with
> the motor in the car?
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
> > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
> > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what do
> > they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be important ?
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
> >
> >> I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> >> balancer.  Like the one from Pioneer for $176.  See summit racing.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Casey
> >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> >> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> >>
> >> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a wide
> >> range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i tried
> >> I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the consensus as
> >> far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351 Cleveland
> >> that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then is
> >> necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
>    I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
>    said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
>    done with the motor in the car?
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
>    them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
>    balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
>    do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
>    important ?
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>    <[2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>      I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
>      balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
>    Casey
>    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
>    To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>    I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
>    wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
>    i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
>    consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with
>    351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more
>    money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
>    suggestions?
>    Thanks,
>    Boyd
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 21:50:22 -0500
> From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>, TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] A Pantera on the track
> Message-ID: <3E53BFD1-6021-4BEF-BCF2-4AB0F17F8E5D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> 
> Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars?. the poor guy can?t handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I?ll have to send it to him directly.
> :-)))
> 
> I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some others would like it...
> At least you can view my lousy driving?.
> The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
> 
> http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U 
> 
> And, if you don?t like Panteras?.
> 
> http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
> 
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
>    Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars.... the poor
>    guy can't handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I'll have to send it to
>    him directly.
> 
>    :-)))
> 
>    I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
>    others would like it...
> 
>    At least you can view my lousy driving....
> 
>    The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
> 
>    [1]http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
> 
>    And, if you don't like Panteras....
> 
>    [2]http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
> 
>    FWIW,
> 
>    Kirby
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
>    2. http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, Tony DiGiovanna
> 	<tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID:
> 	<1399344912.76167.YahooMailNeo at web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Unless you have a high end race motor, your 351C is a 28 oz external balance.?? 
> 
> Ken
>  
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net> 
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com> 
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>   
> 
> ?  The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
> ?  them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
> ?  balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
> ?  do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
> ?  important ?
> ?  Boyd
> 
> ?  On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
> ?  <[1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> ? ?  I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> ? ?  balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
> 
> ?  -----Original Message-----
> ?  From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
> ?  Casey
> ?  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> ?  To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> ?  Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> ?  I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
> ?  wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
> ?  i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
> ?  consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with
> ?  351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more
> ?  money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
> ?  suggestions?
> ?  Thanks,
> ?  Boyd
> 
> References
> 
> ?  1. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
> ?  2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
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>    Unless you have a high end race motor, your 351C is a 28 oz external
>    balance.
>    Ken
>    From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
>    Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>    Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:27 PM
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>      The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
>    of
>      them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
>      balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
>      do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
>      important ?
>      Boyd
>      On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>      <[1][1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
>        I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
>        balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
>    racing.
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>    Boyd
>      Casey
>      Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
>      To: [3][3]detomaso at poca.com
>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>      I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
>      wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
>    if
>      i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
>      consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
>    with
>      351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
>    more
>      money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers
>    or
>      suggestions?
>      Thanks,
>      Boyd
>    References
>      1. mailto:[4]tonydigi at optonline.net
>      2. mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>      3. mailto:[6]detomaso at poca.com
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>    1. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    4. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>    8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 22:55:29 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>,	"detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>,	"michael at michaelshortt.com"
> 	<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> Message-ID: <CF8DC6E7.A911%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have the C22059 bracket.  It is very low, but like I said, I can't offer
> feedback about how well it works.
> 
> From:  Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date:  Monday, May 5, 2014 7:29 PM
> To:  Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc:  "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Mirril M.
> McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> 
> Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit " brackets.
> Here is a link:Corbeau Universal mount Flat bracket
> <http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html>
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats , but on
> > the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is available with an
> > additional 1" shaved off the bottom  for an additional $49.00.
> > Boyd
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> You want brackets for a 911.  It is very flat, and the 911 has a flat
> >> floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
> >> 
> >> But it might not be low enough.  That's what I'm dealing with right now.
> >> My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
> >> bolted to the bracket.  I need to spend some time mocking it up to see
> >> what needs to move.
> >> 
> >> But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a 911.
> >> Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
> >> --
> >> Will
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> >   I have attached the bracket guide.
> >>> >
> >>> >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> >>> >   <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >     Michael,
> >>> >     I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
> >>> >     Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
> >>> >     seats are a good value.
> >>> >     I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
> >>> >     was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for
> >>> >     the Pantera.
> >>> >     Let us know your thoughts.
> >>> >     #6859 WAYBAC
> >>> >     /\/\
> >>> >
> >>> >   -----Original Message-----
> >>> >   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> >>> >   [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>> >   Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
> >>> >   To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> >>> >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> >>> >   Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
> >>> >   orders.
> >>> >   (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
> >>> >   [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to
> >>> >   become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the
> >>> >   BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now,
> >>> >   see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
> >>> >   But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
> >>> >   friends.
> >>> >   So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
> >>> >   can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
> >>> >   Michael Shortt
> >>> >   --
> >>> >   Michael L. Shortt
> >>> >   Savannah, Georgia
> >>> >   [6]www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com>
> >>> >   [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>> >   [8]912-232-9390
> >>> >   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
> >>> >   18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
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> >>> >   notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> >>> >   this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the sender
> >>> >   that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A Thank
> >>> >   you
> >>> >
> >>> >   --
> >>> >   Michael L. Shortt
> >>> >   Savannah, Georgia
> >>> >   [9]www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com>
> >>> >   [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>> >   912-232-9390 <tel:912-232-9390>
> >>> >   A
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> >>> >   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>> >   3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>> >   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >>> >   5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
> >>> >   6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>> >   7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>> >   8. tel:912-232-9390 <tel:912-232-9390>
> >>> >   9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>> >  10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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> -------------- next part --------------
>    I have the C22059 bracket.  It is very low, but like I said, I can't
>    offer feedback about how well it works.
> 
>    From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:29 PM
>    To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>    Cc: "[3]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[4]michael at michaelshortt.com>,
>    "Mirril M. McMullen" <[5]mirrilm at earthlink.net>, "[6]detomaso at poca.com"
>    <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
> 
>    Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit "
>    brackets. Here is a link:[8]Corbeau Universal mount Flat bracket
>    Hope this helps.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
>    but on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
>    available with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom  for an
>    additional $49.00.
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
>    <[10]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      You want brackets for a 911.  It is very flat, and the 911 has a
>      flat
>      floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
>      But it might not be low enough.  That's what I'm dealing with right
>      now.
>      My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
>      bolted to the bracket.  I need to spend some time mocking it up to
>      see
>      what needs to move.
>      But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
>      911.
>      Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
>      --
>      Will
>      On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "[11]michael at michaelshortt.com"
>      <[12]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>      wrote:
> 
>    >   I have attached the bracket guide.
>    >
>    >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>    >   <[1][13]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>    >
>    >     Michael,
>    >     I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
>    >     Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
>    >     seats are a good value.
>    >     I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
>    there
>    >     was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
>    for
>    >     the Pantera.
>    >     Let us know your thoughts.
>    >     #6859 WAYBAC
>    >     /\/\
>    >
>    >   -----Original Message-----
>    >   From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:[2][15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>    Behalf Of
>    >   [3][16]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    >   Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
>    >   To: [4][17]detomaso at poca.com
>    >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
>    >   Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
>    >   orders.
>    >   (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
>    >   [5][18]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
>    asked to
>    >   become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get
>    the
>    >   BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
>    now,
>    >   see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
>    >   But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
>    Pantera
>    >   friends.
>    >   So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if
>    we
>    >   can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
>    >   Michael Shortt
>    >   --
>    >   Michael L. Shortt
>    >   Savannah, Georgia
>    >   [6][19]www.michaelshortt.com
>    >   [7][20]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    >   [8]912-232-9390
>    >   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>    Act,
>    >   18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>    >   privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>    >   notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying
>    of
>    >   this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
>    sender
>    >   that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
>    Thank
>    >   you
>    >
>    >   --
>    >   Michael L. Shortt
>    >   Savannah, Georgia
>    >   [9][21]www.michaelshortt.com
>    >   [10][22]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    >   [23]912-232-9390
>    >   A
>    >   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>    >   Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>    >   privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>    >   notified
>    >   that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>    >   communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the sender
>    that
>    >   you
>    >   have received this message in error, then delete it.A  Thank you
>    >
>    >References
>    >
>    >   1. mailto:[24]mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    >   2. mailto:[25]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    >   3. mailto:[26]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    >   4. mailto:[27]detomaso at poca.com
>    >   5. [28]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>    >   6. [29]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>    >   7. mailto:[30]michael at michaelshortt.com
>    >   8. tel:[31]912-232-9390
>    >   9. [32]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>    >  10. mailto:[33]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
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> References
> 
>    1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    5. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>    6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    8. http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html
>    9. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>   10. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>   11. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   13. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>   14. mailto:[2]
>   15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   18. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>   19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   23. tel:912-232-9390
>   24. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>   25. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   27. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   28. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
>   29. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   30. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   31. tel:912-232-9390
>   32. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>   33. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   34. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   37. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, Tony DiGiovanna
> 	<tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID:
> 	<1399344989.87690.YahooMailNeo at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> The damper is pulled on by a tool that threads into the crankshaft, a big stud.? I assume a lot of people just use a big bolt, but there are tools with bearings that ride on damper.?
> 
> Ken
>  
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net> 
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com> 
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>   
> 
> ?  I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
> ?  said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
> ?  done with the motor in the car?
> ?  Boyd
> 
> ?  On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> ?  wrote:
> 
> ?  The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
> ?  them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
> ?  balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
> ?  do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
> ?  important ?
> ?  Boyd
> 
> ?  On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
> ?  <[2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> ? ?  I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> ? ?  balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
> 
> ?  -----Original Message-----
> ?  From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
> ?  Casey
> ?  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> ?  To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> ?  Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> ?  I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
> ?  wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
> ?  i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
> ?  consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with
> ?  351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more
> ?  money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
> ?  suggestions?
> ?  Thanks,
> ?  Boyd
> 
> References
> 
> ?  1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> ?  2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
> ?  3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ?  4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
> 
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>    The damper is pulled on by a tool that threads into the crankshaft, a
>    big stud.  I assume a lot of people just use a big bolt, but there are
>    tools with bearings that ride on damper.
>    Ken
>    From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
>    Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>    Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:36 PM
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>      I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
>      said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
>      done with the motor in the car?
>      Boyd
>      On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1][1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>      wrote:
>      The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
>    of
>      them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
>      balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
>      do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
>      important ?
>      Boyd
>      On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>      <[2][2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
>        I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
>        balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
>    racing.
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3][3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>    Boyd
>      Casey
>      Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
>      To: [4][4]detomaso at poca.com
>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>      I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
>      wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
>    if
>      i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
>      consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
>    with
>      351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
>    more
>      money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers
>    or
>      suggestions?
>      Thanks,
>      Boyd
>    References
>      1. mailto:[5]boyd411 at gmail.com
>      2. mailto:[6]tonydigi at optonline.net
>      3. mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>      4. mailto:[8]detomaso at poca.com
>    _______________________________________________
>    Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>    DeTomaso mailing list
>    [9]DeTomaso at poca.com
>    [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    6. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:38:09 -0600
> From: David <adin at frontier.net>
> To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>, TPR
> 	<teampantera at yahoo.com>,	TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] A Pantera on the track
> Message-ID: <0EEEF4C7-8D97-419A-875C-487820A99437 at frontier.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Kirby 
> 
> Thank you. 
> 
> David
> 
> Sent from my handheld gizmo, please forgive my typing!
> 
> On May 5, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars?. the poor guy can?t handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I?ll have to send it to him directly.
> :-)))
> 
> I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some others would like it...
> At least you can view my lousy driving?.
> The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
> 
> http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U 
> 
> And, if you don?t like Panteras?.
> 
> http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
> 
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
> -------------- next part --------------
>    Kirby
> 
>    Thank you.
> 
>    David
>    Sent from my handheld gizmo, please forgive my typing!
> 
>    On May 5, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Kirby Schrader
>    <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>    Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars.... the poor
>    guy can't handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I'll have to send it to
>    him directly.
> 
>    :-)))
> 
>    I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
>    others would like it...
> 
>    At least you can view my lousy driving....
> 
>    The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
> 
>    [2]http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
> 
>    And, if you don't like Panteras....
> 
>    [3]http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
> 
>    FWIW,
> 
>    Kirby
> 
>    _______________________________________________
>    TPR mailing list
>    [4]TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>    [5]http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.
>    com
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>    2. http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
>    3. http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
>    4. mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>    5. http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:01:03 -0700
> From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAMPkPf0fYOo8sLum01nyjVQZ50U-gMq2mnJqnQjSuAg52NuASQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
> 
> "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
> This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
> Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> 
> I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
> ask about repainting wheels.
> 
>    --mike
> -------------- next part --------------
>    There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
>    "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
>    This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
>    Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
>    [1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
>    ask about repainting wheels.
>    A  A --mike
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: coxmichaelt at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for
> 	Campi's
> Message-ID: <8D137048E3F3A66-27F4-221D2 at webmail-va014.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to whether it is still good.
>  
> Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
> Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
> 
> 
>    There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
>    "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
>    This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
>    Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
>    [1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
>    ask about repainting wheels.
>    A  A --mike
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> 
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>  
> -------------- next part --------------
>    I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to
>    whether it is still good.
> 
> 
> 
>    Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>    To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>    Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
>    There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
>    "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
>    This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
>    Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
>    [1][1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
>    ask about repainting wheels.
>    A  A --mike
> 
> References
> 
>    1. [2]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    2. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>    4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:55:12 -0700
> From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for
> 	Campi's
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAMPkPf3cGT1XfF-qZNh2CpWeKmrPNArUC_RYM5hU1LxLg=K3vA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I agree with that! If you look up the color DX-8555 it matches up to a
> relatively common silver from the mid to late 60's, sometimes even called
> Argent Silver.
> 
>    --mike
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to whether
> > it is still good.
> >
> > Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> > To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
> >
> >     There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
> >    "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
> >    This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
> >    Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
> >    [1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> >    I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
> >    ask about repainting wheels.
> >    A  A --mike
> >
> > References
> >
> >    1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >
> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >
> > DeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at poca.comhttp://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
>    I agree with that! If you look up the color DX-8555 it matches up to a
>    relatively common silver from the mid to late 60's, sometimes even
>    called Argent Silver.
>    A  A --mike
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>    I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to
>    whether it is still good.
> 
>    A
> 
>    Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
> 
>    A
> 
>    A
> 
>    A
> 
>    A
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Michael Cox <[2]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>    To: detomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>    Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
>    There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
>    "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
>    This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
>    Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
>    [1][4]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
>    ask about repainting wheels.
>    A  A --mike
> 
> References
> 
>    1. [5]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>    2. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    4. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    5. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
>    6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>    7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 07:41:49 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>,	Tony DiGiovanna
> 	<tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID: <CF8E4176.7879A%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Press fit, doesn't mean it has to be done on a press.
> 
> 
> 
> You can use the puller to press the new balancer back on, or you can try
> using the balancer bolt.  You want to avoid applying torque before you
> have several threads engaged - otherwise, you might damage the threads.
> 
> My puller uses the same threads as the balancer bolt, so I normally thread
> the long stud into the end of the crank, and then I use a nut to start the
> balancer onto the crank.  Once it's on a bit, I remove the stud, and
> replace it with the balancer bolt.
> 
> --
> Will
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/5/14 10:36 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >   I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
> >   said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
> >   done with the motor in the car?
> >   Boyd
> >
> >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> >   wrote:
> >
> >   The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
> >   them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
> >   balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
> >   do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
> >   important ?
> >   Boyd
> >
> >   On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
> >   <[2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >     I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> >     balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
> >   Casey
> >   Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> >   To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> >   I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
> >   wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
> >   i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
> >   consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with
> >   351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more
> >   money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
> >   suggestions?
> >   Thanks,
> >   Boyd
> >
> >References
> >
> >   1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> >   2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
> >   3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 05:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>,	DeTomaso Mail List
> 	<DeTomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>, TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] A Pantera on the track
> Message-ID:
> 	<1399377741.73991.YahooMailNeo at web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Enjoyed, thanks.
> 
> 
> ?
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com> 
> Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>; TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 9:50 PM
> Subject: [TPR] A Pantera on the track
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars?. the poor guy can?t handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I?ll have to send it to him directly.
> :-)))
> 
> I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some others would like it...
> At least you can view my lousy driving?.
> The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
> 
> http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U?
> 
> And, if you don?t like Panteras?.
> 
> http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
> 
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> -------------- next part --------------
>    Enjoyed, thanks.
> 
>    Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>    ! )
>      __________________________________________________________________
> 
>    From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
>    To: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
>    Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>; TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>    Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 9:50 PM
>    Subject: [TPR] A Pantera on the track
>    Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the carsa|. the poor
>    guy canat handle the Detomaso list anymore, so Iall have to send it to
>    him directly.
>    :-)))
>    I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
>    others would like it...
>    At least you can view my lousy drivinga|.
>    The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
>    [1]http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
>    And, if you donat like Panterasa|.
>    [2]http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
>    FWIW,
>    Kirby
>    _______________________________________________
>    TPR mailing list
>    [3]TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>    [4]http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.
>    com
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
>    2. http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
>    3. mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>    4. http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:42:18 +0000 (GMT)
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com, tonydigi at optonline.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID: <150e89e.179da.145d1c54952.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
> 
> Dear Boyd,
> 
> 
>                About eighteen years ago, I recall that I replaced a bad 
> stock balancer with a similar balancer.   I was able to accomplish that 
> with the engine in place using some anti seize and the balancer bolt to 
> push it on.   I have since learned that is not the best technique 
> although it is a common one.   Also the space constraints of an in situ 
> balancer change may limit the options ton only the suboptimal balancer 
> bolt.
> 
> 
> 
>                             Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> 
> > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read 
> > said
> > the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be done 
> > with
> > the motor in the car?
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge 
> >> of
> >> them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
> >> balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what 
> >> do
> >> they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be 
> >> important ?
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna 
> >> <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> >>> balancer.  Like the one from Pioneer for $176.  See summit racing.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd 
> >>> Casey
> >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> >>> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> >>>
> >>> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a 
> >>> wide
> >>> range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i 
> >>> tried
> >>> I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the 
> >>> consensus as
> >>> far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351 
> >>> Cleveland
> >>> that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then 
> >>> is
> >>> necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or 
> >>> suggestions?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Boyd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >      ------------------------------
> >
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> >
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:21:51 -0400
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,	tony DiGiovanna
> 	<tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALsQ=ctEB3QfAoftX4Zn71-Y33JmD9ebrp66GjBmen0sq+axKQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks to everyone that supplied information  and opinions , your
> contribution to my continuing mechanics education ( on the fly) home study
> program is greatly appreciated!
> 
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Boyd,
> >
> >
> >               About eighteen years ago, I recall that I replaced a bad
> > stock balancer with a similar balancer.   I was able to accomplish that
> > with the engine in place using some anti seize and the balancer bolt to
> > push it on.   I have since learned that is not the best technique although
> > it is a common one.   Also the space constraints of an in situ balancer
> > change may limit the options ton only the suboptimal balancer bolt.
> >
> >
> >
> >                            Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> >
> >  I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read said
> >> the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be done with
> >> the motor in the car?
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
> >>> them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
> >>> balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what do
> >>> they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be important
> >>> ?
> >>> Boyd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> >>>> balancer.  Like the one from Pioneer for $176.  See summit racing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
> >>>> Casey
> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> >>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
> >>>>
> >>>> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
> >>>> wide
> >>>> range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i
> >>>> tried
> >>>> I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the consensus
> >>>> as
> >>>> far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351 Cleveland
> >>>> that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then is
> >>>> necessary  , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or suggestions?
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Boyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>      ------------------------------
> >>
> >>
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>    Thanks to everyone that supplied information A and opinions , your
>    contribution to my continuing mechanics education ( on the fly) home
>    study program is greatly appreciated!A
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>      Dear Boyd,
>      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  About eighteen years ago, I recall that I
>      replaced a bad stock balancer with a similar balancer. A  I was able
>      to accomplish that with the engine in place using some anti seize
>      and the balancer bolt to push it on. A  I have since learned that is
>      not the best technique although it is a common one. A  Also the
>      space constraints of an in situ balancer change may limit the
>      options ton only the suboptimal balancer bolt.
>      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards, Chuck
>      Engles
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
> 
>    I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
>    said
>    the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be done
>    with
>    the motor in the car?
>    Boyd
> 
>    On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge of
>    them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
>    balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
>    do
>    they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
>    important ?
>    Boyd
> 
>      On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>      <[3]tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
> 
>    I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
> 
>      balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
>    Casey
>    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
> 
>    To: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
>    I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
>    wide
>    range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i
>    tried
>    I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the consensus
>    as
>    far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
>    Cleveland
>    that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then is
> 
>      necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
>      suggestions?
>      Thanks,
>      Boyd
> 
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> 
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> References
> 
>    1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>    2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>    4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>    5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>    7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:18:15 +0200
> From: "Freddy Henningsen" <fredhen at online.no>
> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,	<asajay at asajay.com>,	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Need Help gerbox
> Message-ID: <9EC57882B1B74DAAA840F8B197AC14CB at EierPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: <asajay at asajay.com>; <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Need Help gerbox
> 
> 
> >
> > In a message dated 5/4/14 7 17 50, asajay at asajay.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> Please take a picture of your clutch and send it to the list.
> >>
> >
> >>>>He just bought a complete Pantera-specific Centerforce clutch kit from
> > Hall Pantera.   It's all brand new.   Apparently unnecessary, as it turns
> > out. :<(
> 
> that's right:(
> 
> >
> > I am wondering if the starter Bendix drive is AFU and the starter gear is
> > kissing the flywheel ring gear?   Or did the tin shield that covers the
> > bottom of the bellhousing opening (sheld between the engine and gearbox) 
> > get
> > whanged somehow, so that it is rubbing against the flywheel?
> 
> it is the sheld that is rubbing on the inside (towards the engine) against 
> the flywheel.
> bent it slightly and the sound was gone. has now made ??a small cover to 
> cover over the part that was cut out.
> 
> Freddy
> 
> 
> >
> > Mike
> 
> 
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   ok - put a chair up against it, if you want - will try to get there
   Wed. or Thurs. - by the way -
   are you guys extending or vacating, end of Jluy, I think
   Trip

   > From: detomaso-request at poca.com
   > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 119, Issue 6
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 12:00:01 -0700
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   >
   > Today's Topics:
   >
   > 1. Re: Harmonic balancer (Ken Green)
   > 2. Re: Corbeau Seats (Himes, Terry (397C))
   > 3. Re: Corbeau Seats (Will Kooiman)
   > 4. Re: replacement seats (Will Kooiman)
   > 5. Sniping (Ron)
   > 6. Re: Harmonic balancer (cengles at cox.net)
   > 7. Re: replacement seats (Mark Tumbarello)
   > 8. Ride (Tom Shinrock)
   > 9. Re: Ride (Christopher Kimball)
   > 10. Re: replacement seats (Will Kooiman)
   > 11. Re: Sniping (Boyd Casey)
   > 12. Re: Corbeau Seats (Boyd Casey)
   > 13. Re: Corbeau Seats (Boyd Casey)
   > 14. POCA Fun Rally Raffle - Chapter and Individual Donations
   > (Mike Thomas)
   > 15. Re: Harmonic balancer (Tony DiGiovanna)
   > 16. Re: Harmonic balancer (Boyd Casey)
   > 17. Re: Harmonic balancer (Boyd Casey)
   > 18. A Pantera on the track (Kirby Schrader)
   > 19. Re: Harmonic balancer (Ken Green)
   > 20. Re: Corbeau Seats (Will Kooiman)
   > 21. Re: Harmonic balancer (Ken Green)
   > 22. Re: [TPR] A Pantera on the track (David)
   > 23. eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's (Michael Cox)
   > 24. Re: eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's (Pantdino)
   > 25. Re: eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's (Michael Cox)
   > 26. Re: Harmonic balancer (Will Kooiman)
   > 27. Re: [TPR] A Pantera on the track (B Hower)
   > 28. Re: Harmonic balancer (cengles at cox.net)
   > 29. Re: Harmonic balancer (Boyd Casey)
   > 30. Re: Need Help gerbox (Freddy Henningsen)
   >
   >
   >
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 1
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
   > From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   > To: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>, "boyd411 at gmail.com"
   > <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID:
   > <1399318846.14118.YahooMailNeo at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >
   > I thought people liked the Romac damper:
   >
   >
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   >
   > Are there diameter issues,?3 bolt vs 4?bolt pattern, etc?
   >
   > Ken
   >
   >
   >
   > ________________________________
   > From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   >
   >
   > Dear Boyd,
   >
   >
   > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? There are lots of options.? I would not recommend the
   > Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
   > modified application.? You could simply get a Ford replacement or
   > equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is
   paramount.
   >
   >
   > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ
   and
   > Rollmaster (IIRC).? I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
   > was a little less than $300.? ATI and Rollmaster are in the same
   range I
   > believe.
   >
   >
   > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
   > type replacement would be adequate for most uses.? If your mildly
   > modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the
   above
   > balancers.? They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part,
   but a
   > good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for
   hipo
   > engines.
   >
   >
   > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? FWIW,? Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   >
   > > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   > > wide
   > > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
   i
   > > tried
   > > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   consensus
   > > as
   > > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   > > Cleveland
   > > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then
   > > is
   > > necessary? , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   > > Thanks,
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > >? ? ? ------------------------------
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   > I thought people liked the Romac damper:
   >
   [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Clevelan
   > d-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > Are there diameter issues, 3 bolt vs 4 bolt pattern, etc?
   > Ken
   > From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Dear Boyd,
   > There are lots of options. I would not recommend the
   > Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
   > modified application. You could simply get a Ford replacement or
   > equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is
   paramount.
   > The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and
   > Rollmaster (IIRC). I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
   > was a little less than $300. ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range
   > I
   > believe.
   > I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
   > type replacement would be adequate for most uses. If your mildly
   > modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the
   > above
   > balancers. They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but
   > a
   > good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for
   > hipo
   > engines.
   > FWIW, Chuck Engles
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   > > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   > > wide
   > > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
   i
   > > tried
   > > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > consensus
   > > as
   > > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   > > Cleveland
   > > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then
   > > is
   > > necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   > > Thanks,
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > ------------------------------
   > >
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 2
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:41:49 +0000
   > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Mirril
   > M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > Message-ID: <CF8D375C.55D2D%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > I'm IN for seats also! I hate my Corvette seats.
   >
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
   > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
   > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
   > Phone: (818) 393-6261
   > Cell: (818) 653-8213
   > Fax: (818) 393-3147
   > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > ??
   >
   > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>"
   <michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:51 AM
   > To: "Mirril M. McMullen"
   <mirrilm at earthlink.net<mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net>>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
   <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   >
   > I have attached the bracket guide.
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   <mirrilm at earthlink.net<mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net>>wrote:
   >
   > Michael,
   >
   > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   Corbeau
   > make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the seats are a
   good
   > value.
   >
   > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
   was a
   > Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for the
   Pantera.
   >
   > Let us know your thoughts.
   >
   > #6859 WAYBAC
   >
   > /\/\
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   > michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > To: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   >
   > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   orders.
   > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
   > http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked to
   become
   > a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the BEST
   > pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now, see
   the
   > Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
   > friends.
   > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
   can
   > get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   >
   > Michael Shortt
   > --
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Michael L. Shortt
   > Savannah, Georgia
   > www.michaelshortt.com
   > michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > 912-232-9390
   >
   >
   > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
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   > U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged.
   If
   > you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
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   > this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
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   >
   >
   >
   > --
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Michael L. Shortt
   > Savannah, Georgia
   > www.michaelshortt.com
   > michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > 912-232-9390
   >
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   > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
   >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > I'm IN for seats also! I hate my Corvette seats.
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   >
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >
   > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
   >
   > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
   >
   > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
   >
   > Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >
   > Cell: (818) 653-8213
   >
   > Fax: (818) 393-3147
   >
   > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >
   > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:51 AM
   > To: "Mirril M. McMullen" <[4]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   > Cc: "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   >
   > I have attached the bracket guide.
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > <[7]mirrilm at earthlink.net>wrote:
   >
   > Michael,
   >
   > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   Corbeau
   >
   > make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the seats are a
   > good
   >
   > value.
   >
   > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
   was
   > a
   >
   > Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for the
   > Pantera.
   >
   > Let us know your thoughts.
   >
   > #6859 WAYBAC
   >
   > /\/\
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   >
   > From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   >
   > [9]michael at michaelshortt.com
   >
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   >
   > To: [10]detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   >
   > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > orders.
   >
   > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
   >
   > [11]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked
   to
   > become
   >
   > a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get the BEST
   >
   > pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail now, see
   > the
   >
   > Corbeau website for current pricing.
   >
   > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my Pantera
   >
   > friends.
   >
   > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if we
   > can
   >
   > get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   >
   > Michael Shortt
   >
   > --
   >
   > Michael L. Shortt
   >
   > Savannah, Georgia
   >
   > www.michaelshortt.com
   >
   > [12]michael at michaelshortt.com
   >
   > 912-232-9390
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   > Savannah, Georgia
   > www.michaelshortt.com
   > [13]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 912-232-9390
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   > References
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   > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 4. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 7. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 13. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 3
   > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:45:54 -0400
   > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Mirril
   > M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > Message-ID: <CF8D61FE.78686%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
   >
   > You want brackets for a 911. It is very flat, and the 911 has a flat
   > floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   >
   > But it might not be low enough. That's what I'm dealing with right
   now.
   > My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
   > bolted to the bracket. I need to spend some time mocking it up to see
   > what needs to move.
   >
   > But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a 911.
   > Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > --
   > Will
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > > I have attached the bracket guide.
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > > <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > >
   > > Michael,
   > > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > > Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > > seats are a good value.
   > > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if there
   > > was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile) for
   > > the Pantera.
   > > Let us know your thoughts.
   > > #6859 WAYBAC
   > > /\/\
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   > > [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > > orders.
   > > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
   > > [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been asked
   to
   > > become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get
   the
   > > BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
   now,
   > > see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   Pantera
   > > friends.
   > > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if
   we
   > > can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > > Michael Shortt
   > > --
   > > Michael L. Shortt
   > > Savannah, Georgia
   > > [6]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > [8]912-232-9390
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   > > 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
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   > > notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying
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   > > this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
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   > > that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
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   > > Michael L. Shortt
   > > Savannah, Georgia
   > > [9]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > 912-232-9390
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   > >References
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   > > 1. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > > 5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > > 6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > 8. tel:912-232-9390
   > > 9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > 10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 4
   > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:54:47 -0400
   > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Mark Tumbarello
   > <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > Message-ID: <CF8D63E0.78693%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >
   > The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
   >
   > The holes were extra, but not much.
   >
   > I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl. I'm not at
   home
   > right now, so I can't look. I remember that full leather was much
   more
   > expensive. They might even send them out to be recovered in leather.
   >
   > The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of
   seats.
   > Sit in as many as possible. We are all built differently, and we have
   > different preferences. I love the LG1 seats. There were many other
   seats
   > that I didn't like.
   > --
   > Will
   >
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   > Will,
   > They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except
   mine are
   > nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are
   your
   > seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an extra
   cost
   > option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed that
   Corbeau
   > also offer an option the have the seat cushion height shaved an inch
   for
   > $45. I think that would help with the height issue. I am looking at
   the
   > Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing about the corbeau
   leather
   > option is that the entire seat (front and back) is upholstered in
   leather .
   > Most people don't realize that even when you get leather upholstery
   from the
   > factory in most makes only the seat faces are actually leather with
   the
   > remainder of the seat in Vinyl.
   >
   > On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
   > Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery
   called
   > "MB Tex" which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that Mercedes
   uses. I
   > wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would have made the
   same
   > choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had Vinyl interior (
   Mercedes
   > does offer leather as an option on the less expensive models but it
   is
   > standard on their flagship s-class and even has two levels of napa
   leather
   > upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is the best vinyl interior I
   have ever
   > experienced .
   >
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   > > Boyd ? the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat. I
   always had
   > > a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the place.
   > >
   > > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats. They do not
   look like
   > > 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats. They look like they
   belong in the
   > > car. You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of options ? materials,
   with or
   > > without harness holes, colors, etc. These options either make the
   seat look
   > > like they were done by the factory or like they were done by a
   clown.
   > >
   > > There's a pic on this forum:
   > > http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
   > >
   > > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
   black.
   > >
   > > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster. I don't
   know how
   > > comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or not,
   the side
   > > support will be worth it.
   > >
   > >
   > > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > > Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
   > > To: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > > Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > >
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >
   > > Will,
   > > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find
   the add
   > > support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard
   cornering. There is
   > > a reason all modern performance cars use seats of similar design.I
   think your
   > > seats look great in your car. Thanks for sharing your experience
   with me.
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >> Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those
   different
   > >> fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have
   Recaro style
   > >> seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned.
   I have six
   > >> point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at
   maintaining the
   > >> six point harness in the proper position . In the event of an
   accident it is
   > >> extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly positioned submarine
   belt and
   > >> in order for it to be placed in the correct position you must have
   have an
   > >> anchor point that goes through the seat ( not wrapped forward
   around the
   > >> front of the seat. Improper positioning of multi point harnesses
   (5 or 6) can
   > >> result in serious injury or death. So despite your preference for
   the
   > >> aesthetic appeal of the stock seat if you plan on doing more with
   your
   > >> Pantera then car shows then it is essential that you optimize your
   car to
   > >> provide the maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I
   happen to like
   > >> (in fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat). If I wanted a
   Pantera
   > >> solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want
   seats that
   > >> not only provide a more stable driving position (like a Recaro
   style seat)
   > >> but one that is also FIA approved ( like an authentic Recaro,
   Corbeau or
   > >> Sparco) and is built to a higher quality standard.
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello
   <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
   > >>> You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would
   take
   > >>> place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest
   seat in a
   > >>> pantera just looks wrong. Just an opinion
   > >>>
   > >>>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
   > >>>> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > >>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
   > >>>
   > >>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats. They fit my body,
   and they
   > >>>> > look proper in the Pantera.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or
   through a
   > >>>> > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out,
   and order
   > >>>> > local.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > I am bolting mine to the floor. They are almost low enough
   rails and a
   > >>>> > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   > >>>> >
   > >>>>> > > I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was
   wondering
   > if
   > >>>>> > > anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau
   seats that
   > >>>>> > > they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and
   a fixed
   > >>>>> > > back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like
   the
   > >>>>> Recaro
   > >>>>> > > pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may
   add some
   > >>>>> much
   > >>>>> > > needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style"
   seats
   > >>>>> > > (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then
   the
   > >>>>> "Fixed
   > >>>>> > > back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a
   helmet.I
   > >>>>> know
   > >>>>> > > Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many
   high end
   > >>>>> cars
   > >>>>> > > , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in
   their
   > >>>>> > > Panteras or other cars?
   > >>>>> > > Thanks,
   > >>>>> > > Boyd
   > >>>>> > >_______________________________________________
   > >>>>> > >
   > >>>>> > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >>>>> > >
   > >>>>> > >DeTomaso mailing list
   > >>>>> > >DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >>>>> > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > _______________________________________________
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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   > >>>> > DeTomaso mailing list
   > >>>> > DeTomaso at poca.com
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   > >>>
   > >>
   > >
   >
   >
   >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
   > The holes were extra, but not much.
   > I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl. I'm not at
   > home right now, so I can't look. I remember that full leather was
   much
   > more expensive. They might even send them out to be recovered in
   > leather.
   > The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of
   > seats. Sit in as many as possible. We are all built differently, and
   > we have different preferences. I love the LG1 seats. There were many
   > other seats that I didn't like.
   > --
   > Will
   >
   > From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: Mark Tumbarello <[3]ollerabmut at msn.com>, "[4]detomaso at poca.com"
   > <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   > Will,
   > They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except
   mine
   > are nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What
   are
   > your seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an
   > extra cost option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have
   noticed
   > that Corbeau also offer an option the have the seat cushion height
   > shaved an inch for $45. I think that would help with the height
   issue.
   > I am looking at the Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing
   > about the corbeau leather option is that the entire seat (front and
   > back) is upholstered in leather . Most people don't realize that even
   > when you get leather upholstery from the factory in most makes only
   the
   > seat faces are actually leather with the remainder of the seat in
   > Vinyl.
   > On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
   > Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery
   > called "MB Tex" which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that
   > Mercedes uses. I wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would
   > have made the same choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had
   > Vinyl interior ( Mercedes does offer leather as an option on the less
   > expensive models but it is standard on their flagship s-class and
   even
   > has two levels of napa leather upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex
   is
   > the best vinyl interior I have ever experienced .
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman
   > <[6]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > Boyd - the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat. I
   > always had a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the
   > place.
   > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats. They do not
   > look like 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats. They look like
   > they belong in the car. You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of
   > options - materials, with or without harness holes, colors, etc.
   These
   > options either make the seat look like they were done by the factory
   or
   > like they were done by a clown.
   > There's a pic on this forum:
   > [7]http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
   > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
   > black.
   > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster. I don't
   > know how comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or
   > not, the side support will be worth it.
   > From: Boyd Casey <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
   > To: Mark Tumbarello <[9]ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > Cc: Will Kooiman <[10]will.kooiman at gmail.com>,
   "[11]detomaso at poca.com"
   > <[12]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > Will,
   > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find
   the
   > add support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard
   > cornering. There is a reason all modern performance cars use seats of
   > similar design.I think your seats look great in your car. Thanks for
   > sharing your experience with me.
   > Boyd
   > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <[13]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those different
   > fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have
   Recaro
   > style seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA
   sanctioned.
   > I have six point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective
   at
   > maintaining the six point harness in the proper position . In the
   event
   > of an accident it is extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly
   > positioned submarine belt and in order for it to be placed in the
   > correct position you must have have an anchor point that goes through
   > the seat ( not wrapped forward around the front of the seat. Improper
   > positioning of multi point harnesses (5 or 6) can result in serious
   > injury or death. So despite your preference for the aesthetic appeal
   of
   > the stock seat if you plan on doing more with your Pantera then car
   > shows then it is essential that you optimize your car to provide the
   > maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I happen to like (in
   > fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat). If I wanted a Pantera
   > solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want
   > seats that not only provide a more stable driving position (like a
   > Recaro style seat) but one that is also FIA approved ( like an
   > authentic Recaro, Corbeau or Sparco) and is built to a higher quality
   > standard.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello
   > <[14]ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
   >
   > You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would
   take
   > place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest seat in
   a
   > pantera just looks wrong. Just an opinion
   >
   > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
   > > From: [15]will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > > To: [16]boyd411 at gmail.com; [17]detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >
   > > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats. They fit my body, and
   they
   > > look proper in the Pantera.
   > >
   > > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
   > >
   > > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or
   > through a
   > > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out, and
   > order
   > > local.
   > >
   > > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
   > >
   > > I am bolting mine to the floor. They are almost low enough rails
   and
   > a
   > > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
   > >
   > > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
   > >
   > > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[18]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   > >
   > > > I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was
   > wondering if
   > > > anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau seats
   that
   > > > they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and a
   fixed
   > > > back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like the
   > Recaro
   > > > pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may add some
   > much
   > > > needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style" seats
   > > > (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then the
   > "Fixed
   > > > back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a helmet.I
   > know
   > > > Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many high
   end
   > cars
   > > > , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in their
   > > > Panteras or other cars?
   > > > Thanks,
   > > > Boyd
   > > >_______________________________________________
   > > >
   > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > > >
   > > >DeTomaso mailing list
   > > >[19]DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > >[20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 6. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 7. http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
   > 8. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 9. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
   > 10. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 13. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 14. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
   > 15. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 16. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 18. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   > Message: 5
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:21:44 -0700
   > From: "Ron" <ron at teamecc.com>
   > To: <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Sniping
   > Message-ID: <5DBCC733FC3B4A04A020CD0CD78AA197 at Ron>
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   > Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at each
   > other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
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   > Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at each
   >
   > other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
   >
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   > Message: 6
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:30:17 +0000 (GMT)
   > From: cengles at cox.net
   > To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
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   >
   > Dear Ken,
   >
   >
   > Ach dul Lieber! My mistake. I said Rollmaster and I
   > meant Romac. It is a good balancer. I know they make one for the
   > Cleveland. The one I had did have four holes and bolted right up with
   > all the other parts. I don't recall any diameter issues, although the
   > aftermarket balancers can be a larger than stock and require a
   different
   > timing marker and/or a bit of gentle grinding on the lower aspect of
   the
   > water pump in the event of "interference" between the parts.
   >
   > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ken Green wrote:
   >
   >
   > I thought people liked the Romac damper:
   >
   >
   >
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   >
   >
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   > Are there diameter issues, 3 bolt vs 4 bolt pattern, etc?
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   >
   >
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   > Ken
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   >
   >
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   >
   >
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   >
   >
   <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-
   C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659>
   > From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   >
   > Dear Boyd,
   >
   > There are lots of options. I would not recommend the
   > Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
   > modified application. You could simply get a Ford replacement or
   > equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is
   paramount.
   >
   > The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and
   > Rollmaster (IIRC). I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
   > was a little less than $300. ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range
   I
   > believe.
   >
   > I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
   > type replacement would be adequate for most uses. If your mildly
   > modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the
   above
   > balancers. They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but
   a
   > good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for
   hipo
   > engines.
   >
   > FWIW, Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   >
   > > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   > > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm
   sure
   > > if i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is
   > > the consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a
   Pantera
   > > with 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to
   > > spend more money then is necessary , but I also don't want junk.
   Any
   > > pointers or suggestions? Thanks, Boyd
   > >
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   > Dear Ken,
   >
   > Ach dul Lieber! My mistake. I said Rollmaster and I
   > meant Romac. It is a good balancer. I know they make one for the
   > Cleveland. The one I had did have four holes and bolted right up with
   > all the other parts. I don't recall any diameter issues, although the
   > aftermarket balancers can be a larger than stock and require a
   > different timing marker and/or a bit of gentle grinding on the lower
   > aspect of the water pump in the event of "interference" between the
   > parts.
   >
   > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ken Green wrote:
   >
   >
   >
   > I thought people liked the Romac damper:
   >
   >
   [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Clevelan
   > d-C-W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   >
   > Are there diameter issues, 3 bolt vs 4 bolt pattern, etc?
   >
   > Ken
   >
   > From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
   >
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   >
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 11:00 AM
   >
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   >
   > Dear Boyd,
   >
   > There are lots of options. I would not recommend the
   >
   > Rattler type balancer, although it might do well in a stock or mildly
   >
   > modified application. You could simply get a Ford replacement or
   >
   > equivalent aftermarket stock type replacement if economy is
   paramount.
   >
   > The best ones that I am familiar with are ATI, BHJ and
   >
   > Rollmaster (IIRC). I recently bought a BHJ harmonic balancer and it
   >
   > was a little less than $300. ATI and Rollmaster are in the same range
   > I
   >
   > believe.
   >
   > I suppose that in terms of bang for the buck a stock
   >
   > type replacement would be adequate for most uses. If your mildly
   >
   > modified engine gets flogged, then it I would recommend one of the
   > above
   >
   > balancers. They're relatively expensive for a boring engine part, but
   > a
   >
   > good balancer.......is still boring, but better in the long run for
   > hipo
   >
   > engines.
   >
   > FWIW, Chuck Engles
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   >
   > > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   >
   > > wide
   >
   > > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
   i
   >
   > > tried
   >
   > > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > consensus
   >
   > > as
   >
   > > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   >
   > > Cleveland
   >
   > > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then
   >
   > > is
   >
   > > necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   >
   > > Thanks,
   >
   > > Boyd
   >
   > >
   >
   > >
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   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
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   > 2. javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')
   > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   > Hidden links:
   > 6.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 7.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 8.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 9.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 10.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 11.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 12.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 13.
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Romac-Damper-Ford-Cleveland-C
   -W-302-351-Steel-SFI-Approved-/251520712244?_trksid=p2054897.l5659
   > 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   > Message: 7
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:57:25 -0700
   > From: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Boyd Casey
   > <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > Message-ID: <BLU170-W42CE8CE1E1AA753D080ECDD24C0 at phx.gbl>
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   >
   > Here's what I should have said, Nice seats check these out
   http://classiccarseats.com. I like the Nurbergring syle, I believe they
   were used in some early panteras
   >
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:54:47 -0400
   > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com; ollerabmut at msn.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   > The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
   >
   > The holes were extra, but not much.
   >
   > I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl. I'm not at
   home
   > right now, so I can't look. I remember that full leather was much
   more
   > expensive. They might even send them out to be recovered in leather.
   >
   > The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of
   seats.
   > Sit in as many as possible. We are all built differently, and we have
   > different preferences. I love the LG1 seats. There were many other
   seats
   > that I didn't like.
   > --
   > Will
   >
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   > Will,
   > They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except
   mine are
   > nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are
   your
   > seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an extra
   cost
   > option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed that
   Corbeau
   > also offer an option the have the seat cushion height shaved an inch
   for
   > $45. I think that would help with the height issue. I am looking at
   the
   > Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing about the corbeau
   leather
   > option is that the entire seat (front and back) is upholstered in
   leather .
   > Most people don't realize that even when you get leather upholstery
   from the
   > factory in most makes only the seat faces are actually leather with
   the
   > remainder of the seat in Vinyl.
   >
   > On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
   > Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery
   called
   > "MB Tex" which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that Mercedes
   uses. I
   > wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would have made the
   same
   > choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had Vinyl interior (
   Mercedes
   > does offer leather as an option on the less expensive models but it
   is
   > standard on their flagship s-class and even has two levels of napa
   leather
   > upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is the best vinyl interior I
   have ever
   > experienced .
   >
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   > > Boyd ? the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat. I
   always had
   > > a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the place.
   > >
   > > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats. They do not
   look like
   > > 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats. They look like they
   belong in the
   > > car. You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of options ? materials,
   with or
   > > without harness holes, colors, etc. These options either make the
   seat look
   > > like they were done by the factory or like they were done by a
   clown.
   > >
   > > There's a pic on this forum:
   > > http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
   > >
   > > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
   black.
   > >
   > > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster. I don't
   know how
   > > comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or not,
   the side
   > > support will be worth it.
   > >
   > >
   > > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > > Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
   > > To: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > > Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > >
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >
   > > Will,
   > > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find
   the add
   > > support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard
   cornering. There is
   > > a reason all modern performance cars use seats of similar design.I
   think your
   > > seats look great in your car. Thanks for sharing your experience
   with me.
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >> Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those
   different
   > >> fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have
   Recaro style
   > >> seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned.
   I have six
   > >> point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at
   maintaining the
   > >> six point harness in the proper position . In the event of an
   accident it is
   > >> extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly positioned submarine
   belt and
   > >> in order for it to be placed in the correct position you must have
   have an
   > >> anchor point that goes through the seat ( not wrapped forward
   around the
   > >> front of the seat. Improper positioning of multi point harnesses
   (5 or 6) can
   > >> result in serious injury or death. So despite your preference for
   the
   > >> aesthetic appeal of the stock seat if you plan on doing more with
   your
   > >> Pantera then car shows then it is essential that you optimize your
   car to
   > >> provide the maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I
   happen to like
   > >> (in fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat). If I wanted a
   Pantera
   > >> solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want
   seats that
   > >> not only provide a more stable driving position (like a Recaro
   style seat)
   > >> but one that is also FIA approved ( like an authentic Recaro,
   Corbeau or
   > >> Sparco) and is built to a higher quality standard.
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello
   <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
   > >>> You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would
   take
   > >>> place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest
   seat in a
   > >>> pantera just looks wrong. Just an opinion
   > >>>
   > >>>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
   > >>>> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > >>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
   > >>>
   > >>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats. They fit my body,
   and they
   > >>>> > look proper in the Pantera.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or
   through a
   > >>>> > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out,
   and order
   > >>>> > local.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > I am bolting mine to the floor. They are almost low enough
   rails and a
   > >>>> > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   > >>>> >
   > >>>>> > > I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was
   wondering
   > if
   > >>>>> > > anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau
   seats that
   > >>>>> > > they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and
   a fixed
   > >>>>> > > back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like
   the
   > >>>>> Recaro
   > >>>>> > > pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may
   add some
   > >>>>> much
   > >>>>> > > needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style"
   seats
   > >>>>> > > (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then
   the
   > >>>>> "Fixed
   > >>>>> > > back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a
   helmet.I
   > >>>>> know
   > >>>>> > > Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many
   high end
   > >>>>> cars
   > >>>>> > > , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in
   their
   > >>>>> > > Panteras or other cars?
   > >>>>> > > Thanks,
   > >>>>> > > Boyd
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   > Here's what I should have said, Nice seats check these out
   > [1]http://classiccarseats.com. I like the Nurbergring syle, I believe
   > they were used in some early panteras
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:54:47 -0400
   > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com; ollerabmut at msn.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > The deletion of the logo was not extra as I recall.
   >
   > The holes were extra, but not much.
   >
   > I can't remember if they are partial leather or all vinyl. I'm not at
   home
   > right now, so I can't look. I remember that full leather was much
   more
   > expensive. They might even send them out to be recovered in leather.
   >
   > The biggest recommendation I can make to anyone is to try lots of
   seats.
   > Sit in as many as possible. We are all built differently, and we have
   > different preferences. I love the LG1 seats. There were many other
   seats
   > that I didn't like.
   > --
   > Will
   >
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:52 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   > Will,
   > They look very nice. Very similar to the seats I have now (except
   mine are
   > nock offs sold as "Real Leather" that were in fact vinyl ! What are
   your
   > seats upholstered in? Was the deletion of the Corbeau logo an extra
   cost
   > option? Did you get the submarine hole added? I have noticed that
   Corbeau
   > also offer an option the have the seat cushion height shaved an inch
   for
   > $45. I think that would help with the height issue. I am looking at
   the
   > Corbeau CR1 in black Leather )another nice thing about the corbeau
   leather
   > option is that the entire seat (front and back) is upholstered in
   leather .
   > Most people don't realize that even when you get leather upholstery
   from the
   > factory in most makes only the seat faces are actually leather with
   the
   > remainder of the seat in Vinyl.
   >
   > On a side note it always struck me as amusing that for years
   > Mercedes Benz has been selling there expensive cars with upholstery
   called
   > "MB Tex" which is a trade marked name for the Vinyl that Mercedes
   uses. I
   > wonder how many of the deep pocketed MB buyers would have made the
   same
   > choices if the knew that their new Mercedes had Vinyl interior (
   Mercedes
   > does offer leather as an option on the less expensive models but it
   is
   > standard on their flagship s-class and even has two levels of napa
   leather
   > upgrades) I must admit that MB MB Tex is the best vinyl interior I
   have ever
   > experienced .
   >
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   > > Boyd the stock seats were comfortable, but they are too flat. I
   always had
   > > a tough time in corners with my butt sliding all over the place.
   > >
   > > My Corbeau LG1s are a major upgrade to the stock seats. They do not
   look like
   > > 90% of the online photos of Corbeau seats. They look like they
   belong in the
   > > car. You can order Corbeau seats with a lot of options materials,
   with or
   > > without harness holes, colors, etc. These options either make the
   seat look
   > > like they were done by the factory or like they were done by a
   clown.
   > >
   > > There's a pic on this forum:
   > > [2]http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
   > >
   > > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
   black.
   > >
   > > The LG1 seats feel very similar to my wife's 2013 Boxster. I don't
   know how
   > > comfortable they will be on a long trip, but comfortable or not,
   the side
   > > support will be worth it.
   > >
   > >
   > > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > > Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:25 AM
   > > To: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > > Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > >
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >
   > > Will,
   > > Did you think the stock Pantera seats were more comfortable? I find
   the add
   > > support of the bolsters to make a huge difference in hard
   cornering. There is
   > > a reason all modern performance cars use seats of similar design.I
   think your
   > > seats look great in your car. Thanks for sharing your experience
   with me.
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >> Well mark I guess that why baskin Robbinns makes all those
   different
   > >> fllavors. Different people like different things. I already have
   Recaro style
   > >> seats in my car ( they are just not brand name or FIA sanctioned.
   I have six
   > >> point harnesses and a stock Pantera seat isn't effective at
   maintaining the
   > >> six point harness in the proper position . In the event of an
   accident it is
   > >> extremely important (IMHO) to have a properly positioned submarine
   belt and
   > >> in order for it to be placed in the correct position you must have
   have an
   > >> anchor point that goes through the seat ( not wrapped forward
   around the
   > >> front of the seat. Improper positioning of multi point harnesses
   (5 or 6) can
   > >> result in serious injury or death. So despite your preference for
   the
   > >> aesthetic appeal of the stock seat if you plan on doing more with
   your
   > >> Pantera then car shows then it is essential that you optimize your
   car to
   > >> provide the maximum in safety . Aside from the safety issues I
   happen to like
   > >> (in fact prefer the look of a recaro style seat). If I wanted a
   Pantera
   > >> solely for a car collection I would have kept it stock. Now I want
   seats that
   > >> not only provide a more stable driving position (like a Recaro
   style seat)
   > >> but one that is also FIA approved ( like an authentic Recaro,
   Corbeau or
   > >> Sparco) and is built to a higher quality standard.
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mark Tumbarello
   <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
   > >>> You might as well put those seats in a model T, same effect would
   take
   > >>> place, a comfortable seat in the wrong car. a fixed head rest
   seat in a
   > >>> pantera just looks wrong. Just an opinion
   > >>>
   > >>>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:46:41 -0400
   > >>>> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > >>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
   > >>>
   > >>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > I am very happy with my Corbeau LG1 seats. They fit my body,
   and they
   > >>>> > look proper in the Pantera.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > They recline, but you don't have to use the recline feature.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > The price is the same whether you buy them through the mail or
   through a
   > >>>> > reseller, so find a local shop that stocks them, try them out,
   and order
   > >>>> > local.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > They come in full leather, partial, or vinyl.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > I am bolting mine to the floor. They are almost low enough
   rails and a
   > >>>> > Porsche mounting kit, but I want another inch lower.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > If you were local, I would let you try mine for a week or two.
   > >>>> >
   > >>>> > On 5/2/14 8:33 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   > >>>> >
   > >>>>> > > I am looking at replacement seats for my Pantera and I was
   wondering
   > if
   > >>>>> > > anyone has had experience with Recaro, Sparco or Corbeau
   seats that
   > >>>>> > > they could share. I am interested in leather upholstery and
   a fixed
   > >>>>> > > back seat (non reclining) it seems that some of these (like
   the
   > >>>>> Recaro
   > >>>>> > > pole position) are low enough to the floor that they may
   add some
   > >>>>> much
   > >>>>> > > needed head room. I currently have some recaro "Style"
   seats
   > >>>>> > > (reclining) that have much more seat cushion thickness then
   the
   > >>>>> "Fixed
   > >>>>> > > back" style. I can barley fit in the car while wearing a
   helmet.I
   > >>>>> know
   > >>>>> > > Recaro seats have a good reputation and are used inA many
   high end
   > >>>>> cars
   > >>>>> > > , can anyone share their experiences using these seats in
   their
   > >>>>> > > Panteras or other cars?
   > >>>>> > > Thanks,
   > >>>>> > > Boyd
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   > References
   >
   > 1. http://classiccarseats.com/
   > 2. http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71547
   > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   >
   > Message: 8
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
   > From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ride
   > Message-ID: <8D136C466E7CCD8-F7C-9B47 at webmail-va034.sysops.aol.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   > Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when
   going to the various fun rally events?
   >
   > This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a
   car. I'm trying to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more
   fun to ride in a Pantera. I just don't know how tough it would be to
   find a ride.
   >
   > I welcome opinions on what I should do.
   >
   > Tom
   > 5186
   >
   >
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   > Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when
   going
   > to the various fun rally events?
   > This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a
   car.
   > I'm trying to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more fun
   > to ride in a Pantera. I just don't know how tough it would be to find
   > a ride.
   > I welcome opinions on what I should do.
   > Tom
   > 5186
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 9
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:02:07 -0700
   > From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
   > To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>, Pantera list serve
   > <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ride
   > Message-ID: <SNT146-W90B42A86212FF27B5B034BBC4C0 at phx.gbl>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >
   > My family will be with me through Thursday, but I'll be on my own
   when they fly out on Friday, so I'll have a seat open Friday and
   Saturday.
   > Sincerely,
   > Chris
   >
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > From: tmshinro at aol.com
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:59:20 -0400
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ride
   >
   > Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when
   going to the various fun rally events?
   >
   > This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a
   car. I'm trying to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more
   fun to ride in a Pantera. I just don't know how tough it would be to
   find a ride.
   >
   > I welcome opinions on what I should do.
   >
   > Tom
   > 5186
   >
   >
   >
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   > My family will be with me through Thursday, but I'll be on my own
   when
   > they fly out on Friday, so I'll have a seat open Friday and Saturday.
   > Sincerely,
   > Chris
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > From: tmshinro at aol.com
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:59:20 -0400
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ride
   > Anybody have an empty seat that they would be willing share when
   going to the va
   > rious fun rally events?
   >
   > This is my third fun rally but the first time that I won't have a
   car. I'm tryi
   > ng to decide if I need to rent a car but it would be more fun to ride
   in a Pante
   > ra. I just don't know how tough it would be to find a ride.
   >
   > I welcome opinions on what I should do.
   >
   > Tom
   > 5186
   >
   >
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   > Message: 10
   > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 07:01:25 -0400
   > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <boyd411 at gmail.com>, <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   > Message-ID: <CF8CE6DA.A791%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   > I tried on Friday, but it was over the 1.5MB limit.
   >
   > Here it is again at 1.4MB.
   >
   > The harness holes are even with the location of the harness bar.
   >
   > The seats aren't lined up correctly because they're not attached yet.
   I had
   > the floor pans dropped, but I can't attach the seats the way they
   were done.
   > I'm trying to decide how to handle that one.
   >
   > From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:38 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <boyd411 at gmail.com>,
   > <ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   >
   > In a message dated 5/4/14 20 08 11, will.kooiman at gmail.com writes:
   >
   >
   > >
   > > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
   black.
   >
   >
   > >>>Can you post a pic of your seats in your car?
   >
   > Mike
   >
   >
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   > I tried on Friday, but it was over the 1.5MB limit.
   >
   > Here it is again at 1.4MB.
   >
   > The harness holes are even with the location of the harness bar.
   >
   > The seats aren't lined up correctly because they're not attached yet.
   > I had the floor pans dropped, but I can't attach the seats the way
   they
   > were done. I'm trying to decide how to handle that one.
   >
   > From: <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:38 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com>,
   > <[4]ollerabmut at msn.com>
   > Cc: <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] replacement seats
   >
   > In a message dated 5/4/14 20 08 11, [6]will.kooiman at gmail.com writes:
   >
   > Except that my seats do not have the Corbeau logo, and they are all
   > black.
   >
   > >>>Can you post a pic of your seats in your car?
   > Mike
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   > 2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 4. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
   > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 6. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
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   > Message: 11
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:21:23 -0400
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Ron <ron at teamecc.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sniping
   > Message-ID:
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   >
   > You are reintroducing a non issue. Mark and I have dropped the
   pursuit of
   > our difference of opinion. Respectfully I suggest you do the same.
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Ron <ron at teamecc.com> wrote:
   >
   > > Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at each
   > >
   > > other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
   > >
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   > You are reintroducing a non issue. Mark and I have dropped the
   pursuit
   > of our difference of opinion. Respectfully I suggest you do the same.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Ron <[1]ron at teamecc.com> wrote:
   >
   > A A A Maybe Mark and Boyd could keep their personal Sniping at
   > each
   > A A other off the Forum site. Just my opinion.
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   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:ron at teamecc.com
   > 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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   >
   > Message: 12
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:24:42 -0400
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > <detomaso at poca.com>, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   > <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > Message-ID:
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   >
   > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
   but on
   > the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
   available with
   > an additional 1" shaved off the bottom for an additional $49.00.
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > > You want brackets for a 911. It is very flat, and the 911 has a
   flat
   > > floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   > >
   > > But it might not be low enough. That's what I'm dealing with right
   now.
   > > My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it
   actually
   > > bolted to the bracket. I need to spend some time mocking it up to
   see
   > > what needs to move.
   > >
   > > But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
   911.
   > > Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > > --
   > > Will
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > > wrote:
   > >
   > > > I have attached the bracket guide.
   > > >
   > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > > > <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > > >
   > > > Michael,
   > > > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > > > Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > > > seats are a good value.
   > > > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
   there
   > > > was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
   for
   > > > the Pantera.
   > > > Let us know your thoughts.
   > > > #6859 WAYBAC
   > > > /\/\
   > > >
   > > > -----Original Message-----
   > > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   > > > [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > > > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > > > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > > > orders.
   > > > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices
   (
   > > > [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
   asked to
   > > > become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
   get the
   > > > BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
   now,
   > > > see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > > > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   Pantera
   > > > friends.
   > > > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and
   if we
   > > > can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > > > Michael Shortt
   > > > --
   > > > Michael L. Shortt
   > > > Savannah, Georgia
   > > > [6]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > > [8]912-232-9390
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   sender
   > > > that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
   Thank
   > > > you
   > > >
   > > > --
   > > > Michael L. Shortt
   > > > Savannah, Georgia
   > > > [9]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > > [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > > 912-232-9390
   > > > A
   > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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   > > > 1. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > > > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > > > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > > > 5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > > > 6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > > 8. tel:912-232-9390
   > > > 9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > > 10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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   > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
   > but on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
   > available with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom A for an
   > additional $49.00.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
   > <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > You want brackets for a 911. A It is very flat, and the 911 has a
   > flat
   > floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   > But it might not be low enough. A That's what I'm dealing with right
   > now.
   > My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
   > bolted to the bracket. A I need to spend some time mocking it up to
   > see
   > what needs to move.
   > But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
   > 911.
   > Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > --
   > Will
   > On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com"
   > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > > A I have attached the bracket guide.
   > >
   > > A On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > > A <[1][4]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > >
   > > A A Michael,
   > > A A I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > > A A Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > > A A seats are a good value.
   > > A A I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
   > there
   > > A A was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
   > for
   > > A A the Pantera.
   > > A A Let us know your thoughts.
   > > A A #6859 WAYBAC
   > > A A /\/\
   > >
   > > A -----Original Message-----
   > > A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
   > Of
   > > A [3][6]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > > A To: [4][7]detomaso at poca.com
   > > A Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > > A Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > > A orders.
   > > A (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices
   > (
   > > A [5][8]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
   > asked to
   > > A become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
   > get the
   > > A BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
   > now,
   > > A see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > > A But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   > Pantera
   > > A friends.
   > > A So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and
   if
   > we
   > > A can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > > A Michael Shortt
   > > A --
   > > A Michael L. Shortt
   > > A Savannah, Georgia
   > > A [6][9]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > A [7][10]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A [8]912-232-9390
   > > A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   > Act,
   > > A 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > > A privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   > hereby
   > > A notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
   > copying of
   > > A this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
   > sender
   > > A that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
   > Thank
   > > A you
   > >
   > > A --
   > > A Michael L. Shortt
   > > A Savannah, Georgia
   > > A [9][11]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > A [10][12]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A [13]912-232-9390
   > > A A
   > > A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   > > A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > > A privileged.A A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   > hereby
   > > A notified
   > > A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
   this
   > > A communication is strictly prohibited.A A Please reply to the
   > sender that
   > > A you
   > > A have received this message in error, then delete it.A A Thank you
   > >
   > >References
   > >
   > > A 1. mailto:[14]mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > > A 2. mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > > A 3. mailto:[16]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A 4. mailto:[17]detomaso at poca.com
   > > A 5. [18]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > > A 6. [19]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > A 7. mailto:[20]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A 8. tel:[21]912-232-9390
   > > A 9. [22]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > A 10. mailto:[23]michael at michaelshortt.com
   >
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   > >
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 4. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 13. tel:912-232-9390
   > 14. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 18. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 21. tel:912-232-9390
   > 22. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 23. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 13
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:29:20 -0400
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > <detomaso at poca.com>, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   > <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > Message-ID:
   > <CALsQ=csSphuG=0EuaRr=b1z-U3vmPebmLVWzTC2Sm6e3bTLmdg at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit "
   brackets.
   > Here is a link:Corbeau Universal mount Flat
   > bracket<http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html>
   >
   > Hope this helps.
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats
   , but
   > > on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
   available
   > > with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom for an additional
   $49.00.
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com>wrote:
   > >
   > >> You want brackets for a 911. It is very flat, and the 911 has a
   flat
   > >> floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   > >>
   > >> But it might not be low enough. That's what I'm dealing with right
   now.
   > >> My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it
   actually
   > >> bolted to the bracket. I need to spend some time mocking it up to
   see
   > >> what needs to move.
   > >>
   > >> But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
   911.
   > >> Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > >> --
   > >> Will
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   <michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> >
   > >> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> > I have attached the bracket guide.
   > >> >
   > >> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > >> > <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > >> >
   > >> > Michael,
   > >> > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > >> > Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > >> > seats are a good value.
   > >> > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
   there
   > >> > was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
   for
   > >> > the Pantera.
   > >> > Let us know your thoughts.
   > >> > #6859 WAYBAC
   > >> > /\/\
   > >> >
   > >> > -----Original Message-----
   > >> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
   Of
   > >> > [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > >> > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > >> > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > >> > orders.
   > >> > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old
   prices (
   > >> > [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
   asked to
   > >> > become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
   get
   > >> the
   > >> > BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
   now,
   > >> > see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > >> > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   Pantera
   > >> > friends.
   > >> > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and
   if we
   > >> > can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > >> > Michael Shortt
   > >> > --
   > >> > Michael L. Shortt
   > >> > Savannah, Georgia
   > >> > [6]www.michaelshortt.com
   > >> > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> > [8]912-232-9390
   > >> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   Act,
   > >> > 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > >> > privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
   > >> > notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
   copying of
   > >> > this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
   > >> sender
   > >> > that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
   Thank
   > >> > you
   > >> >
   > >> > --
   > >> > Michael L. Shortt
   > >> > Savannah, Georgia
   > >> > [9]www.michaelshortt.com
   > >> > [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> > 912-232-9390
   > >> > A
   > >> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   > >> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
   legally
   > >> > privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
   > >> > notified
   > >> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
   this
   > >> > communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
   sender
   > >> that
   > >> > you
   > >> > have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
   > >> >
   > >> >References
   > >> >
   > >> > 1. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > >> > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > >> > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > >> > 5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > >> > 6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > >> > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> > 8. tel:912-232-9390
   > >> > 9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > >> > 10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >> >_______________________________________________
   > >> >
   > >> >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >> >
   > >> >DeTomaso mailing list
   > >> >DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> _______________________________________________
   > >>
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   > >>
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   > >> DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >>
   > >
   > >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit "
   > brackets. Here is a link:[1]Corbeau Universal mount Flat bracket
   > Hope this helps.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
   > but on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
   > available with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom A for an
   > additional $49.00.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
   > <[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > You want brackets for a 911. A It is very flat, and the 911 has a
   > flat
   > floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   > But it might not be low enough. A That's what I'm dealing with right
   > now.
   > My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
   > bolted to the bracket. A I need to spend some time mocking it up to
   > see
   > what needs to move.
   > But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
   > 911.
   > Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > --
   > Will
   > On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "[4]michael at michaelshortt.com"
   > <[5]michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > > A I have attached the bracket guide.
   > >
   > > A On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > > A <[1][6]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > >
   > > A A Michael,
   > > A A I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > > A A Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > > A A seats are a good value.
   > > A A I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
   > there
   > > A A was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
   > for
   > > A A the Pantera.
   > > A A Let us know your thoughts.
   > > A A #6859 WAYBAC
   > > A A /\/\
   > >
   > > A -----Original Message-----
   > > A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
   > Of
   > > A [3][8]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > > A To: [4][9]detomaso at poca.com
   > > A Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > > A Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > > A orders.
   > > A (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices
   > (
   > > A [5][10]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
   > asked to
   > > A become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
   > get the
   > > A BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
   > now,
   > > A see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > > A But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   > Pantera
   > > A friends.
   > > A So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and
   if
   > we
   > > A can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > > A Michael Shortt
   > > A --
   > > A Michael L. Shortt
   > > A Savannah, Georgia
   > > A [6][11]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > A [7][12]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A [8]912-232-9390
   > > A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   > Act,
   > > A 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > > A privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   > hereby
   > > A notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
   > copying of
   > > A this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
   > sender
   > > A that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
   > Thank
   > > A you
   > >
   > > A --
   > > A Michael L. Shortt
   > > A Savannah, Georgia
   > > A [9][13]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > A [10][14]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A [15]912-232-9390
   > > A A
   > > A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   > > A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > > A privileged.A A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   > hereby
   > > A notified
   > > A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
   this
   > > A communication is strictly prohibited.A A Please reply to the
   > sender that
   > > A you
   > > A have received this message in error, then delete it.A A Thank you
   > >
   > >References
   > >
   > > A 1. mailto:[16]mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > > A 2. mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > > A 3. mailto:[18]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A 4. mailto:[19]detomaso at poca.com
   > > A 5. [20]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > > A 6. [21]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > A 7. mailto:[22]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > A 8. tel:[23]912-232-9390
   > > A 9. [24]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > A 10. mailto:[25]michael at michaelshortt.com
   >
   > >_______________________________________________
   > >
   > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >
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   > >[26]DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >[27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > _______________________________________________
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   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > [28]DeTomaso at poca.com
   > [29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html
   > 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 3. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 6. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 10. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 13. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 14. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 15. tel:912-232-9390
   > 16. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 20. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 23. tel:912-232-9390
   > 24. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 25. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 14
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:56:57 -0700
   > From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   > To: "'DeTomaso Mail List'" <DeTomaso at poca.com>
   > Cc: 'John Buckman' <jb841 at icloud.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Fun Rally Raffle - Chapter and Individual
   > Donations
   > Message-ID: <015701cf68ce$76cbc090$646341b0$@comcast.net>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   > Last call! All aboard!!
   >
   > If your POCA Chapter or you individually have any items you wish to
   donate
   > to the POCA Fun Rally, and you need to ship them ahead so you don't
   have to
   > lug them with you, please have them delivered to John Buckman in San
   Diego
   > no later than Friday, May 23rd. The Fun Rally comes right on the
   heels of
   > the holiday weekend, and I'd hate for anyone's donation to get lost
   in the
   > confusion.
   >
   > Please ship to:
   > POCA Fun Rally Raffle
   > C/O John Buckman
   > 738 Crest View Road
   > Vista, CA 92081
   > 760-420-4036
   >
   > Please contact John to let him know what is coming so he can keep an
   > inventory. Sorry I'm not going to see all of you at this years' Rally
   to
   > say thank you in person, but my wife and I will be in Peru touring
   the Machu
   > Pichu and the Sacred Valley of the Incas the same week. Darn . . .
   >
   > Our sincerest thanks!
   > Mike Thomas
   > VP, POCA
   > VP, Panteras Northwest
   > Yellow '74 #6328
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 15
   > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 22:07:33 -0400
   > From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > To: 'Boyd Casey' <boyd411 at gmail.com>, detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID: <029d01cf68cf$f1d23d40$d576b7c0$@optonline.net>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
   >
   > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   balancer. Like the one from Pioneer for $176. See summit racing.
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
   Casey
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   >
   > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
   wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
   i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with
   351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more
   money then is necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   > Thanks,
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 16
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:27:08 -0400
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID:
   > <CALsQ=csPX_GYe2iYgBp_qij0r=cA9DGvo2cCdmGVdmSCpEbJVw at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of them
   > is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
   balanced ,
   > SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what do they
   mean as
   > far as performance or other factors that would be important ?
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
   >
   > > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > > balancer. Like the one from Pioneer for $176. See summit racing.
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
   Casey
   > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > >
   > > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a wide
   > > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
   i tried
   > > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   consensus as
   > > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   Cleveland
   > > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then is
   > > necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   > > Thanks,
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
   > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
   > do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > important ?
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <[1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   >
   > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > Casey
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
   > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
   if
   > i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   with
   > 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   more
   > money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers
   or
   > suggestions?
   > Thanks,
   > Boyd
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 17
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:36:58 -0400
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID:
   > <CALsQ=cuH_+BTHz+zjVWSFRkJ9crB81uubJEF0Z4tesQFhk7r7g at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
   said
   > the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be done
   with
   > the motor in the car?
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and
   external
   > > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and
   what do
   > > they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   important ?
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
   > >
   > >> I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > >> balancer. Like the one from Pioneer for $176. See summit racing.
   > >>
   > >> -----Original Message-----
   > >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd Casey
   > >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > >> To: detomaso at poca.com
   > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > >>
   > >> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a wide
   > >> range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if
   i tried
   > >> I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   consensus as
   > >> far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   Cleveland
   > >> that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then is
   > >> necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   > >> Thanks,
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >>
   > >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
   > said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
   > done with the motor in the car?
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
   > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
   > do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > important ?
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <[2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   >
   > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > Casey
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
   > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
   if
   > i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   with
   > 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   more
   > money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers
   or
   > suggestions?
   > Thanks,
   > Boyd
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 18
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 21:50:22 -0500
   > From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
   > To: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
   > Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>, TPR Forum
   <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] A Pantera on the track
   > Message-ID: <3E53BFD1-6021-4BEF-BCF2-4AB0F17F8E5D at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
   >
   >
   > Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars?. the poor
   guy can?t handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I?ll have to send it to
   him directly.
   > :-)))
   >
   > I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
   others would like it...
   > At least you can view my lousy driving?.
   > The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
   >
   > http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   >
   > And, if you don?t like Panteras?.
   >
   > http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   >
   > FWIW,
   > Kirby
   >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars.... the
   poor
   > guy can't handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I'll have to send it
   to
   > him directly.
   >
   > :-)))
   >
   > I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
   > others would like it...
   >
   > At least you can view my lousy driving....
   >
   > The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
   >
   > [1]http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   >
   > And, if you don't like Panteras....
   >
   > [2]http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   >
   > FWIW,
   >
   > Kirby
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   > 2. http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 19
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
   > From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   > To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID:
   > <1399344912.76167.YahooMailNeo at web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >
   > Unless you have a high end race motor, your 351C is a 28 oz external
   balance.??
   >
   > Ken
   >
   >
   > ________________________________
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:27 PM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   >
   >
   > ? The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > ? them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and
   external
   > ? balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and
   what
   > ? do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > ? important ?
   > ? Boyd
   >
   > ? On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > ? <[1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   >
   > ? ? I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional
   harmonic
   > ? ? balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
   racing.
   >
   > ? -----Original Message-----
   > ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > ? Casey
   > ? Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > ? To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
   > ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > ? I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   > ? wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm
   sure if
   > ? i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is
   the
   > ? consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   with
   > ? 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   more
   > ? money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any
   pointers or
   > ? suggestions?
   > ? Thanks,
   > ? Boyd
   >
   > References
   >
   > ? 1. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > ? 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > ? 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   >
   >
   > _______________________________________________
   >
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   > -------------- next part --------------
   > Unless you have a high end race motor, your 351C is a 28 oz external
   > balance.
   > Ken
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:27 PM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   > of
   > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
   > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
   > do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > important ?
   > Boyd
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <[1][1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
   > racing.
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   > Boyd
   > Casey
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > To: [3][3]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
   > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
   > if
   > i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   > with
   > 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   > more
   > money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers
   > or
   > suggestions?
   > Thanks,
   > Boyd
   > References
   > 1. mailto:[4]tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 2. mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 3. mailto:[6]detomaso at poca.com
   > _______________________________________________
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   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com
   > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 4. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 20
   > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 22:55:29 -0400
   > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "Mirril M. McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   > <detomaso at poca.com>, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   > <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > Message-ID: <CF8DC6E7.A911%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   > I have the C22059 bracket. It is very low, but like I said, I can't
   offer
   > feedback about how well it works.
   >
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:29 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Mirril
   M.
   > McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, "detomaso at poca.com"
   <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   >
   > Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit "
   brackets.
   > Here is a link:Corbeau Universal mount Flat bracket
   > <http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html>
   >
   > Hope this helps.
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   > > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats
   , but on
   > > the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
   available with an
   > > additional 1" shaved off the bottom for an additional $49.00.
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   > >> You want brackets for a 911. It is very flat, and the 911 has a
   flat
   > >> floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   > >>
   > >> But it might not be low enough. That's what I'm dealing with right
   now.
   > >> My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it
   actually
   > >> bolted to the bracket. I need to spend some time mocking it up to
   see
   > >> what needs to move.
   > >>
   > >> But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
   911.
   > >> Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > >> --
   > >> Will
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
   <michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > >> wrote:
   > >>
   > >>> > I have attached the bracket guide.
   > >>> >
   > >>> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > >>> > <[1]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > >>> >
   > >>> > Michael,
   > >>> > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > >>> > Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > >>> > seats are a good value.
   > >>> > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
   there
   > >>> > was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
   for
   > >>> > the Pantera.
   > >>> > Let us know your thoughts.
   > >>> > #6859 WAYBAC
   > >>> > /\/\
   > >>> >
   > >>> > -----Original Message-----
   > >>> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
   Of
   > >>> > [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >>> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > >>> > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > >>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > >>> > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website
   only
   > >>> > orders.
   > >>> > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old
   prices (
   > >>> > [5]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
   asked to
   > >>> > become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to
   get the
   > >>> > BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off
   retail now,
   > >>> > see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > >>> > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   Pantera
   > >>> > friends.
   > >>> > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and
   if we
   > >>> > can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > >>> > Michael Shortt
   > >>> > --
   > >>> > Michael L. Shortt
   > >>> > Savannah, Georgia
   > >>> > [6]www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com>
   > >>> > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >>> > [8]912-232-9390
   > >>> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
   Privacy Act,
   > >>> > 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > >>> > privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
   > >>> > notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
   copying of
   > >>> > this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to
   the sender
   > >>> > that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
   Thank
   > >>> > you
   > >>> >
   > >>> > --
   > >>> > Michael L. Shortt
   > >>> > Savannah, Georgia
   > >>> > [9]www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com>
   > >>> > [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >>> > 912-232-9390 <tel:912-232-9390>
   > >>> > A
   > >>> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
   Privacy
   > >>> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
   legally
   > >>> > privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
   > >>> > notified
   > >>> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
   this
   > >>> > communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
   sender that
   > >>> > you
   > >>> > have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
   > >>> >
   > >>> >References
   > >>> >
   > >>> > 1. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > >>> > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > >>> > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >>> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > >>> > 5. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > >>> > 6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > >>> > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > >>> > 8. tel:912-232-9390 <tel:912-232-9390>
   > >>> > 9. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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   > I have the C22059 bracket. It is very low, but like I said, I can't
   > offer feedback about how well it works.
   >
   > From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > Date: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:29 PM
   > To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "[3]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[4]michael at michaelshortt.com>,
   > "Mirril M. McMullen" <[5]mirrilm at earthlink.net>,
   "[6]detomaso at poca.com"
   > <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   >
   > Corbeau has a flat bracket listed under their" Universal fit "
   > brackets. Here is a link:[8]Corbeau Universal mount Flat bracket
   > Hope this helps.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Boyd Casey <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > It won't help you Will cause you have already purchased your seats ,
   > but on the seats I am considering (The CR1 formerly the carrera) is
   > available with an additional 1" shaved off the bottom for an
   > additional $49.00.
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Will Kooiman
   > <[10]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > You want brackets for a 911. It is very flat, and the 911 has a
   > flat
   > floor pan, which matches the Pantera.
   > But it might not be low enough. That's what I'm dealing with right
   > now.
   > My seat isn't quite low enough, but I haven't tried with it actually
   > bolted to the bracket. I need to spend some time mocking it up to
   > see
   > what needs to move.
   > But like I said, if you want a bracket - check out the one for a
   > 911.
   > Otherwise, bolt it to the floor.
   > --
   > Will
   > On 5/5/14 2:51 PM, "[11]michael at michaelshortt.com"
   > <[12]michael at michaelshortt.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > > I have attached the bracket guide.
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
   > > <[1][13]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   > >
   > > Michael,
   > > I have bought a few Corbeau sets for my BMWs. The Brackets that
   > > Corbeau make are simple, functional and strong, and I think the
   > > seats are a good value.
   > > I would be interested in buying Corbeau sets for my P Car if
   > there
   > > was a Corbeau seat bracket (would have to be very low profile)
   > for
   > > the Pantera.
   > > Let us know your thoughts.
   > > #6859 WAYBAC
   > > /\/\
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:[2][15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
   > Behalf Of
   > > [3][16]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:22 PM
   > > To: [4][17]detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Corbeau Seats
   > > Many years ago I was an active Corbeau dealer via a website only
   > > orders.
   > > (You can tell by the very dated website and very, very old prices (
   > > [5][18]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm ) I have been
   > asked to
   > > become a dealer again and this requires a substantial buy in to get
   > the
   > > BEST pricing ($5,000), although I can still offer 10% off retail
   > now,
   > > see the Corbeau website for current pricing.
   > > But if I elect to do the new order I can offer 20% off to my
   > Pantera
   > > friends.
   > > So if you are thinking about new Corbeau seats, let me know and if
   > we
   > > can get enough orders, I can sell them to you at 20% off.
   > > Michael Shortt
   > > --
   > > Michael L. Shortt
   > > Savannah, Georgia
   > > [6][19]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > [7][20]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > [8]912-232-9390
   > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   > Act,
   > > 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   > > privileged. A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
   > > notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying
   > of
   > > this communication is strictly prohibited. A Please reply to the
   > sender
   > > that you have received this message in error, then delete it. A
   > Thank
   > > you
   > >
   > > --
   > > Michael L. Shortt
   > > Savannah, Georgia
   > > [9][21]www.michaelshortt.com
   > > [10][22]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > [23]912-232-9390
   > > A
   > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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   > >
   > >References
   > >
   > > 1. mailto:[24]mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > > 2. mailto:[25]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > > 3. mailto:[26]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > 4. mailto:[27]detomaso at poca.com
   > > 5. [28]http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > > 6. [29]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > 7. mailto:[30]michael at michaelshortt.com
   > > 8. tel:[31]912-232-9390
   > > 9. [32]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > > 10. mailto:[33]michael at michaelshortt.com
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   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 5. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 8. http://www.racing-seats-usa.com/universal.html
   > 9. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 10. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   > 11. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 13. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 14. mailto:[2]
   > 15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 18. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 23. tel:912-232-9390
   > 24. mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
   > 25. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 27. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 28. http://www.michaelshortt.com/mpsc/index.htm
   > 29. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 30. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 31. tel:912-232-9390
   > 32. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   > 33. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   > 34. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > 36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 37. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 21
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
   > From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   > To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID:
   > <1399344989.87690.YahooMailNeo at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >
   > The damper is pulled on by a tool that threads into the crankshaft, a
   big stud.? I assume a lot of people just use a big bolt, but there are
   tools with bearings that ride on damper.?
   >
   > Ken
   >
   >
   > ________________________________
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:36 PM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   >
   >
   > ? I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i
   read
   > ? said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this
   be
   > ? done with the motor in the car?
   > ? Boyd
   >
   > ? On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > ? wrote:
   >
   > ? The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > ? them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and
   external
   > ? balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and
   what
   > ? do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > ? important ?
   > ? Boyd
   >
   > ? On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > ? <[2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   >
   > ? ? I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional
   harmonic
   > ? ? balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
   racing.
   >
   > ? -----Original Message-----
   > ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > ? Casey
   > ? Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > ? To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > ? I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   > ? wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm
   sure if
   > ? i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is
   the
   > ? consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   with
   > ? 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   more
   > ? money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any
   pointers or
   > ? suggestions?
   > ? Thanks,
   > ? Boyd
   >
   > References
   >
   > ? 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > ? 2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > ? 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > ? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   >
   >
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   > The damper is pulled on by a tool that threads into the crankshaft, a
   > big stud. I assume a lot of people just use a big bolt, but there are
   > tools with bearings that ride on damper.
   > Ken
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:36 PM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
   > said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
   > done with the motor in the car?
   > Boyd
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1][1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   > of
   > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
   > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
   > do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > important ?
   > Boyd
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <[2][2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
   > racing.
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3][3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   > Boyd
   > Casey
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > To: [4][4]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
   > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
   > if
   > i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   > with
   > 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   > more
   > money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers
   > or
   > suggestions?
   > Thanks,
   > Boyd
   > References
   > 1. mailto:[5]boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 2. mailto:[6]tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 3. mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 4. mailto:[8]detomaso at poca.com
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 6. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 22
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:38:09 -0600
   > From: David <adin at frontier.net>
   > To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
   > Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>, TPR
   > <teampantera at yahoo.com>, TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] A Pantera on the track
   > Message-ID: <0EEEF4C7-8D97-419A-875C-487820A99437 at frontier.net>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Kirby
   >
   > Thank you.
   >
   > David
   >
   > Sent from my handheld gizmo, please forgive my typing!
   >
   > On May 5, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >
   > Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars?. the poor
   guy can?t handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I?ll have to send it to
   him directly.
   > :-)))
   >
   > I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
   others would like it...
   > At least you can view my lousy driving?.
   > The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
   >
   > http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   >
   > And, if you don?t like Panteras?.
   >
   > http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   >
   > FWIW,
   > Kirby
   >
   > _______________________________________________
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   >
   http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > Kirby
   >
   > Thank you.
   >
   > David
   > Sent from my handheld gizmo, please forgive my typing!
   >
   > On May 5, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Kirby Schrader
   > <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars.... the
   poor
   > guy can't handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I'll have to send it
   to
   > him directly.
   >
   > :-)))
   >
   > I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
   > others would like it...
   >
   > At least you can view my lousy driving....
   >
   > The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
   >
   > [2]http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   >
   > And, if you don't like Panteras....
   >
   > [3]http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   >
   > FWIW,
   >
   > Kirby
   >
   > _______________________________________________
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   >
   [5]http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.
   > com
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
   > 2. http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   > 3. http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   > 4. mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com
   > 5.
   http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 23
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:01:03 -0700
   > From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
   > Message-ID:
   > <CAMPkPf0fYOo8sLum01nyjVQZ50U-gMq2mnJqnQjSuAg52NuASQ at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
   >
   > "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
   > This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
   > Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
   >
   > http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   >
   > I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
   > ask about repainting wheels.
   >
   > --mike
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
   > "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
   > This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
   > Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
   > [1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
   > ask about repainting wheels.
   > A A --mike
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 24
   > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT)
   > From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
   > To: coxmichaelt at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for
   > Campi's
   > Message-ID: <8D137048E3F3A66-27F4-221D2 at webmail-va014.sysops.aol.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   >
   > I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to
   whether it is still good.
   >
   > Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
   > To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
   >
   >
   > There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
   > "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
   > This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
   > Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
   > [1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
   > ask about repainting wheels.
   > A A --mike
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   >
   >
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   > I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to
   > whether it is still good.
   >
   >
   >
   > Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
   > To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
   > There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
   > "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
   > This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
   > Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
   > [1][1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
   > ask about repainting wheels.
   > A A --mike
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. [2]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   >
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > 2. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 25
   > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:55:12 -0700
   > From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
   > To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for
   > Campi's
   > Message-ID:
   > <CAMPkPf3cGT1XfF-qZNh2CpWeKmrPNArUC_RYM5hU1LxLg=K3vA at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > I agree with that! If you look up the color DX-8555 it matches up to
   a
   > relatively common silver from the mid to late 60's, sometimes even
   called
   > Argent Silver.
   >
   > --mike
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
   >
   > > I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to
   whether
   > > it is still good.
   > >
   > > Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
   > > To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   > > Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
   > > Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
   > >
   > > There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
   > > "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
   > > This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
   > > Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
   > > [1]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > > I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
   > > ask about repainting wheels.
   > > A A --mike
   > >
   > > References
   > >
   > > 1. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > >
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   > I agree with that! If you look up the color DX-8555 it matches up to
   a
   > relatively common silver from the mid to late 60's, sometimes even
   > called Argent Silver.
   > A A --mike
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > I would want to see a photo of the paint inside and comments as to
   > whether it is still good.
   >
   > A
   >
   > Paint tends to turn into a glob of hard stuff after X years
   >
   > A
   >
   > A
   >
   > A
   >
   > A
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Michael Cox <[2]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
   > To: detomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 10:02 pm
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] eBay - Original Argent Silver paint for Campi's
   > There is an ad on eBay for a can of Ditzler paint. From the ad:
   > "Here is a quart of the original Ditzler Castalum Vinyl enamel.
   > This is the paint which was listed in the Ford Technical Service
   > Bulletin for correct finish on the Campi wheels."
   > [1][4]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > I know nothing about this ad or its accuracy, people occasionally
   > ask about repainting wheels.
   > A A --mike
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. [5]http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   >
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
   > 2. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
   > 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 4. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > 5. http://tinyurl.com/m483s2v
   > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 26
   > Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 07:41:49 -0400
   > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID: <CF8E4176.7879A%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
   >
   > Yes.
   >
   > Press fit, doesn't mean it has to be done on a press.
   >
   >
   >
   > You can use the puller to press the new balancer back on, or you can
   try
   > using the balancer bolt. You want to avoid applying torque before you
   > have several threads engaged - otherwise, you might damage the
   threads.
   >
   > My puller uses the same threads as the balancer bolt, so I normally
   thread
   > the long stud into the end of the crank, and then I use a nut to
   start the
   > balancer onto the crank. Once it's on a bit, I remove the stud, and
   > replace it with the balancer bolt.
   >
   > --
   > Will
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 5/5/14 10:36 PM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i
   read
   > > said the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this
   be
   > > done with the motor in the car?
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > > wrote:
   > >
   > > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and
   external
   > > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and
   what
   > > do they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > > important ?
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > > <[2]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
   > >
   > > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   > > balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit
   racing.
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > > Casey
   > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed
   a
   > > wide range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm
   sure if
   > > i tried I could find some that were even more expensive. What is
   the
   > > consensus as far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera
   with
   > > 351 Cleveland that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend
   more
   > > money then is necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any
   pointers or
   > > suggestions?
   > > Thanks,
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >References
   > >
   > > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > > 2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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   > >
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   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 27
   > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 05:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
   > From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
   > To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
   > <DeTomaso at poca.com>
   > Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>, TPR Forum
   <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [TPR] A Pantera on the track
   > Message-ID:
   > <1399377741.73991.YahooMailNeo at web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Enjoyed, thanks.
   >
   >
   > ?
   > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
   be ! )
   >
   >
   > ________________________________
   > From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
   > To: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
   > Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>; TPR Forum
   <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 9:50 PM
   > Subject: [TPR] A Pantera on the track
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the cars?. the poor
   guy can?t handle the Detomaso list anymore, so I?ll have to send it to
   him directly.
   > :-)))
   >
   > I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
   others would like it...
   > At least you can view my lousy driving?.
   > The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
   >
   > http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U?
   >
   > And, if you don?t like Panteras?.
   >
   > http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   >
   > FWIW,
   > Kirby
   >
   > _______________________________________________
   > TPR mailing list
   > TPR at teampanteraracing.com
   >
   http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > Enjoyed, thanks.
   >
   > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
   be
   > ! )
   > __________________________________________________________________
   >
   > From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
   > To: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at poca.com>
   > Cc: TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com>; TPR Forum
   <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 9:50 PM
   > Subject: [TPR] A Pantera on the track
   > Always getting hassled by the Dawg about driving the carsa|. the poor
   > guy canat handle the Detomaso list anymore, so Iall have to send it
   to
   > him directly.
   > :-)))
   > I posted this to the local Houston club list, but thought maybe some
   > others would like it...
   > At least you can view my lousy drivinga|.
   > The car with the video camera is an RX7 with an LS1 in it.
   > [1]http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   > And, if you donat like Panterasa|.
   > [2]http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   > FWIW,
   > Kirby
   > _______________________________________________
   > TPR mailing list
   > [3]TPR at teampanteraracing.com
   >
   [4]http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.
   > com
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. http://youtu.be/1tGgNVUDE1U
   > 2. http://youtu.be/tRqX136fl08
   > 3. mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com
   > 4.
   http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 28
   > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:42:18 +0000 (GMT)
   > From: cengles at cox.net
   > To: boyd411 at gmail.com
   > Cc: detomaso at poca.com, tonydigi at optonline.net
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID: <150e89e.179da.145d1c54952.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
   >
   > Dear Boyd,
   >
   >
   > About eighteen years ago, I recall that I replaced a bad
   > stock balancer with a similar balancer. I was able to accomplish that
   > with the engine in place using some anti seize and the balancer bolt
   to
   > push it on. I have since learned that is not the best technique
   > although it is a common one. Also the space constraints of an in situ
   > balancer change may limit the options ton only the suboptimal
   balancer
   > bolt.
   >
   >
   >
   > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   >
   > > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i
   read
   > > said
   > > the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
   done
   > > with
   > > the motor in the car?
   > > Boyd
   > >
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >
   > >> The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my
   knowledge
   > >> of
   > >> them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and
   external
   > >> balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and
   what
   > >> do
   > >> they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > >> important ?
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > >> <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
   > >>
   > >>> I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional
   harmonic
   > >>> balancer. Like the one from Pioneer for $176. See summit racing.
   > >>>
   > >>> -----Original Message-----
   > >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > >>> Casey
   > >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > >>> To: detomaso at poca.com
   > >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > >>>
   > >>> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have
   noticed a
   > >>> wide
   > >>> range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
   if i
   > >>> tried
   > >>> I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   > >>> consensus as
   > >>> far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   > >>> Cleveland
   > >>> that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then
   > >>> is
   > >>> necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   > >>> suggestions?
   > >>> Thanks,
   > >>> Boyd
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>
   > >
   > >
   > > ------------------------------
   > >
   > > _______________________________________________
   > >
   > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >
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   >
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 29
   > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:21:51 -0400
   > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
   > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, tony DiGiovanna
   > <tonydigi at optonline.net>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > Message-ID:
   > <CALsQ=ctEB3QfAoftX4Zn71-Y33JmD9ebrp66GjBmen0sq+axKQ at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Thanks to everyone that supplied information and opinions , your
   > contribution to my continuing mechanics education ( on the fly) home
   study
   > program is greatly appreciated!
   >
   > Boyd
   >
   >
   > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
   >
   > > Dear Boyd,
   > >
   > >
   > > About eighteen years ago, I recall that I replaced a bad
   > > stock balancer with a similar balancer. I was able to accomplish
   that
   > > with the engine in place using some anti seize and the balancer
   bolt to
   > > push it on. I have since learned that is not the best technique
   although
   > > it is a common one. Also the space constraints of an in situ
   balancer
   > > change may limit the options ton only the suboptimal balancer bolt.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   > >
   > > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i
   read said
   > >> the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be
   done with
   > >> the motor in the car?
   > >> Boyd
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >>
   > >> The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my
   knowledge of
   > >>> them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and
   external
   > >>> balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and
   what do
   > >>> they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   important
   > >>> ?
   > >>> Boyd
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   <tonydigi at optonline.net
   > >>> >wrote:
   > >>>
   > >>> I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional
   harmonic
   > >>>> balancer. Like the one from Pioneer for $176. See summit racing.
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>> -----Original Message-----
   > >>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > >>>> Casey
   > >>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   > >>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
   > >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > >>>>
   > >>>> I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have
   noticed a
   > >>>> wide
   > >>>> range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure
   if i
   > >>>> tried
   > >>>> I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   consensus
   > >>>> as
   > >>>> far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   Cleveland
   > >>>> that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money
   then is
   > >>>> necessary , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   suggestions?
   > >>>> Thanks,
   > >>>> Boyd
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>
   > >>
   > >> ------------------------------
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> _______________________________________________
   > >>
   > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >>
   > >> DeTomaso mailing list
   > >> DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >>
   > >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   > Thanks to everyone that supplied information A and opinions , your
   > contribution to my continuing mechanics education ( on the fly) home
   > study program is greatly appreciated!A
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
   >
   > Dear Boyd,
   > A A A A A A A About eighteen years ago, I recall that I
   > replaced a bad stock balancer with a similar balancer. A I was able
   > to accomplish that with the engine in place using some anti seize
   > and the balancer bolt to push it on. A I have since learned that is
   > not the best technique although it is a common one. A Also the
   > space constraints of an in situ balancer change may limit the
   > options ton only the suboptimal balancer bolt.
   > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
   > Engles
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   >
   > I just did some reading up on harmonic balancers and the post i read
   > said
   > the the balancer had to be press fit onto the crank. Can this be done
   > with
   > the motor in the car?
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   > The Romac is SFI rated. Is it unconventional? I afraid my knowledge
   of
   > them is very limited. I know there are internal balanced and external
   > balanced , SFI-rated and non rated. What are the differences and what
   > do
   > they mean as far as performance or other factors that would be
   > important ?
   > Boyd
   >
   > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
   > <[3]tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
   >
   > I think a good consideration is an SFI-rated conventional harmonic
   >
   > balancer. A Like the one from Pioneer for $176. A See summit racing.
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > Casey
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:59 PM
   >
   > To: [5]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harmonic balancer
   > I just found out that my Harmonic balancer is shot. I have noticed a
   > wide
   > range of prices from just over $100 to close to $500 ( I'm sure if i
   > tried
   > I could find some that were even more expensive. What is the
   consensus
   > as
   > far as the harmonic balancer best suited to a Pantera with 351
   > Cleveland
   > that has been mildly modified? I don't want to spend more money then
   is
   >
   > necessary A , but I also don't want junk. Any pointers or
   > suggestions?
   > Thanks,
   > Boyd
   >
   > A A A ------------------------------
   >
   > _______________________________________________
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
   > 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   > 3. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
   > 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 30
   > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:18:15 +0200
   > From: "Freddy Henningsen" <fredhen at online.no>
   > To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <asajay at asajay.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Need Help gerbox
   > Message-ID: <9EC57882B1B74DAAA840F8B197AC14CB at EierPC>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
   > reply-type=original
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > To: <asajay at asajay.com>; <detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:46 AM
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Need Help gerbox
   >
   >
   > >
   > > In a message dated 5/4/14 7 17 50, asajay at asajay.com writes:
   > >
   > >
   > >> Please take a picture of your clutch and send it to the list.
   > >>
   > >
   > >>>>He just bought a complete Pantera-specific Centerforce clutch kit
   from
   > > Hall Pantera. It's all brand new. Apparently unnecessary, as it
   turns
   > > out. :<(
   >
   > that's right:(
   >
   > >
   > > I am wondering if the starter Bendix drive is AFU and the starter
   gear is
   > > kissing the flywheel ring gear? Or did the tin shield that covers
   the
   > > bottom of the bellhousing opening (sheld between the engine and
   gearbox)
   > > get
   > > whanged somehow, so that it is rubbing against the flywheel?
   >
   > it is the sheld that is rubbing on the inside (towards the engine)
   against
   > the flywheel.
   > bent it slightly and the sound was gone. has now made ??a small cover
   to
   > cover over the part that was cut out.
   >
   > Freddy
   >
   >
   > >
   > > Mike
   >
   >
   >
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   >
   >
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