[DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Wed Mar 26 23:33:29 EDT 2014


Gray,

I think that sums it up pretty well.

I want a Pantera because I lusted after it as a teenager.  If I had been
born 10 years later, I would probably be lusting after a ZR1, and Panteras
would be in the same category as Deloreans - cool cars, but probably not
cool enough for me to buy it.


On 3/26/14 6:24 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:

>I've been expecting a decline in the prewar car market for the last few
>years. It hasn't really happened yet, but the collector car market
>overall has been so strong I think it's just a case of a rising tide
>lifting all boats. While there will always be a market for the really
>desirable stuff (Bugatti's, Bentley's, Duisenberg's etc.) I think the
>more run of the mill prewar cars are going to struggle to find interest
>with the next generation of collectors. Time will tell....
>
>Gray
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:45 PM
>To: Rob Dumoulin; Bill Lewis
>Cc: De Tomaso List
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>
>How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that
>caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future
>caretakers.
>IndyDave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM
>To: Bill Lewis
>Cc: De Tomaso List
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>
>Response inline
>
>On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before -
>>    about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast.  I don't
>>    know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack
>>of
>>    interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths.  First question is,
>>    is that true?  Then, if true - why?  Then, can it be turned around?
>>      -----------------------------------------
>>    -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$
>>on
>>    racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old
>>TV
>>    "Route 66" series.  And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn
>>out a
>>    bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies.  I mean, if you want kids
>>to
>>    smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke.
>
>I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what
>is wrong with youth.
>
>.
>>       ---BILL Lewis
>>    From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>    To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
>>    Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>> I agree.   But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today)
>will alway
>> s drive them!
>> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and
>driving my
>>  Pantera.
>>
>> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not
>> drive
>them a
>> s much.  In 2035 it
>> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars
>> on
>the hi
>> ghway. ;-)
>> Of course availability of gas might be a problem.  <heh heh>
>>
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
>> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX
>> Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>
>>
>> From: Scott Carpenter <scscottc at gmail.com<mailto:scscottc at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM
>> To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>>
>> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago.
>> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000,
>> last year I bumped it up to $60,000.  I've never had to make a claim
>> so I guess so far I am happy with them.  If values keep going up I
>> will
>probably
>> look at bumping it up in the next year or two.
>>
>> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in
>> values.  While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given
>> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't
>> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want
>>to drive them.
>> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable
>> risk
>to
>> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If
>> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to
>> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and
>> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling
>> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod.
>>
>> Scott
>> #1523
>>
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