[DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
Corey Price
coreyjprice at gmail.com
Wed Mar 26 19:39:00 EDT 2014
I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera.
I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time.
> On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in
> vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend
> many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they
> going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other
> than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis
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> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
> To: lashdeep at yahoo.com
> CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com;
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> At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords,
> Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60
> set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older
> men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they
> loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for
> driving.
> Michael Shortt
> The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something.
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd
> that
> loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away.
> Yet, those cars are still valuable now.
> Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long
> before
> any of them were born.
> I have cars that were made before I was born as well.
> There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than
> there
> has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular
> type of
> car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB,
> Youtube,
> Pinterest, etc.
> Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though...
> LS
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> From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com>
> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis
> <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>
> How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that
> caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future
> caretakers.
> IndyDave
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM
> To: Bill Lewis
> Cc: De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
> Response inline
>
> On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here
> before
> -
>> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I
> don't
>> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming)
> lack of
>> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First
> question
> is,
>> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned
> around?
>> -----------------------------------------
>> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending
> $$$$ on
>> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the
> old TV
>> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would
> churn
> out a
>> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want
> kids to
>> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies
> smoke.
> I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent
> what is wrong with youth.
> .
>> ---BILL Lewis
>
>> From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased
> value
>> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now
> (today)
> will alway
>> s drive them!
>> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up
> and
> driving my
>> Pantera.
>>
>> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might
> not
>> drive
> them a
>> s much. In 2035 it
>> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric
> cars
>> on
> the hi
>> ghway. ;-)
>> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. <heh heh>
>>
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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>>
>> From: Scott Carpenter
> <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com<mailto:[11][16]scscottc at gmail.com>>
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>> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM
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> <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[13][18]detomaso at poca.com>>
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>>
>> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago.
>> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of
> $35,000,
>> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a
> claim
>> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I
>> will
> probably
>> look at bumping it up in the next year or two.
>>
>> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise
> in
>> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally
> given
>> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I
> don't
>> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not
> want to drive them.
>> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a
> viable
>> risk
> to
>> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on...
> If
>> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to
>> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs
> and
>> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or
> yelling
>> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod.
>>
>> Scott
>> #1523
>>
>>
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