[DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Tue Mar 25 13:19:21 EDT 2014
Dear Michael,
I thoroughly enjoyed Satch's column until it
disappeared. He later re-appeared as the editor of the BMW club
magazine. No more references to the leggy stockbroker. The following
clip from will explain the "trouble".
from Anchorage, Alaska
" Back then, if a teacher had sex with a child over
16, it wasn't clear that it was against the law. The Satch Carlson case
changed all that.
In 1989 Carlson was fired after he was accused of having sex with a
17-year-old student, but since the sex was consensual, it was unclear
whether it was a crime. "
I was very, very disappointed in Satch.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
> I used to love reading Satch in Autoweek on the last page, hearing
> about
> the long legged, red headed stock broker.
> As I recall, he got into some trouble briefly and they canned him.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Larry - Ohio Time
> <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>wrote:
>
>> Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of being
>> read
>> if
>> it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We
>> all love
>> a good story.
>>
>> Larry - Cleveland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Lewis
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM
>> To: Rob Dumoulin
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
>>
>> My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is -
>> who
>> reads
>> those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never
>> buy,
>> describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares.
>> And, what
>> is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP?
>> Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis
>>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400
>> From: rob at dumoulins.net
>> To: cengles at cox.net
>> CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
>>
>> Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop
>> them
>> around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it
>> lapse for
>> the same reasons.
>>
>> Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics.
>>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> rob at dumoulins.net
>> www.kbsi.co
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Larry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds
>>> think
>>> alike.
>>>
>>> I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to
>>> R&T
>>> and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T
>>> when
>>> Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading,
>>> Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that
>>> know
>>> enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags
>>> have
>>> become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D,
>>> but it
>>> is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving
>>> and
>>> repairing sports cars. My opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
>>>
>>> Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover
>>> every
>>>> month
>>>> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less
>>>> and
>>>> less
>>>> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill
>>>> enjoy
>>>> going
>>>> back to re-read the old issues.
>>>> Car art by words.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM
>>>> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>> Brilliant stuff.
>>>>
>>>> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism
>>>> have
>>>> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the
>> Pantera
>>>> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that
>>>> issue
>> in
>>>> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose
>>>> contained
>>>> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine
>>>> had a
>>>> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision
>>>> that
>>>> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today.
>>>>
>>>> Sad....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>
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>
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
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> michael at michaelshortt.com
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Dear Michael,
I thoroughly enjoyed Satch's column until it
disappeared. He later re-appeared as the editor of the BMW club
magazine. No more references to the leggy stockbroker. The following
clip from will explain the "trouble".
from Anchorage, Alaska
" Back then, if a teacher had sex with a child over
16, it wasn't clear that it was against the law. The Satch Carlson case
changed all that.
In 1989 Carlson was fired after he was accused of having sex with a
17-year-old student, but since the sex was consensual, it was unclear
whether it was a crime. "
I was very, very disappointed in Satch.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
> I used to love reading Satch in Autoweek on the last page, hearing
about
> the long legged, red headed stock broker.
> As I recall, he got into some trouble briefly and they canned him.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Larry - Ohio Time
> <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>wrote:
>
> > Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of
being read
> > if
> > it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We
all love
> > a good story.
> >
> > Larry - Cleveland
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Lewis
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM
> > To: Rob Dumoulin
> > Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
> >
> > My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is -
who
> > reads
> > those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never
buy,
> > describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares.
And, what
> > is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or
500HP?
> > Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis
> >
> > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400
> > From: rob at dumoulins.net
> > To: cengles at cox.net
> > CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
> >
> > Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop
them
> > around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it
lapse for
> > the same reasons.
> >
> > Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics.
> >
> > Rob DuMoulin
> > 904.476.8744
> > rob at dumoulins.net
> > www.kbsi.co
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Larry,
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great
minds think
> > > alike.
> > >
> > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions
to R&T
> > > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit
R&T when
> > > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current
reading,
> > > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people
that know
> > > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream
mags have
> > > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of
R&T/C&D, but it
> > > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving
and
> > > repairing sports cars. My opinion.
> > >
> > >
> > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
> > >
> > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover
every
> > >> month
> > >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading
less and
> > >> less
> > >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill
enjoy
> > >> going
> > >> back to re-read the old issues.
> > >> Car art by words.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM
> > >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor
> > >>
> > >> Chuck,
> > >>
> > >> Brilliant stuff.
> > >>
> > >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive
journalism have
> > >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where
the
> > Pantera
> > >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading
that issue
> > in
> > >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose
contained
> > >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that
magazine had a
> > >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and
precision that
> > >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today.
> > >>
> > >> Sad....
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
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> >
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> >
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> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> www.michaelshortt.com
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> 912-232-9390
>
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