[DeTomaso] NPC: Senna
Kirby Schrader
kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Tue Mar 25 10:59:01 EDT 2014
I 'read' this using audio files. It was very well done.
Pretty sad story, pretty good story. Lots of drama with wife, kid, work,
etc.
But he finally gets to drive for Ferrari.
I agree with Bill. Highly recommended.
FWIW,
Kirby
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have
> mentioned this before, but - if you are a dog lover, there is a great
> novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and
> one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! And, soon to be
> made into a movie! If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's,
> you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis
> > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700
> > From: asajay at asajay.com
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna
> >
> > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to
> get
> > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago.
> >
> > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him
> > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at
> > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was
> > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is
> > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol
> > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how
> to
> > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both
> > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna
> > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him.
> >
> > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began
> changing
> > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to
> > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due
> to
> > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to
> additional
> > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even
> if
> > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be.
> >
> > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it
> inequitable
> > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think
> > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I
> think
> > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was
> the
> > better more ballsy driver.
> >
> > But I still think he was arrogant.
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> > http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >
> >
> > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> > > Dear Mikael,
> > >
> > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first
> > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of
> an
> > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely
> changed
> > > my mind after seeing the movie.
> > >
> > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my
> > > age. You
> > >
> > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw
> the
> > > Senna
> > >
> > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after
> > > Senna's
> > >
> > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought
> he
> > > was a
> > >
> > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've
> seen
> > > the
> > >
> > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge,
> the
> > >
> > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified
> for
> > > not
> > >
> > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna
> > > winning pole
> > >
> > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With
> that
> > > in mind,
> > >
> > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like
> both
> > > were at
> > >
> > > > fault for that accident.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll
> change
> > > my mind
> > >
> > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Mvh/Regards
> > >
> > > > Mikael
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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I 'read' this using audio files. It was very well done.
Pretty sad story, pretty good story. Lots of drama with wife, kid,
work, etc.
But he finally gets to drive for Ferrari.
I agree with Bill. Highly recommended.
FWIW,
Kirby
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
A A While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may
have
A A mentioned this before, but - if you are a dog lover, there is a
great
A A novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a
dog and
A A one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! A And,
soon to be
A A made into a movie! A If you cried in the Lassie movies back in
the 40's,
A A you'll love this! A ---BILL Lewis
A A > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700
A A > From: [2]asajay at asajay.com
A A > To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna
A A >
A A > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed
to
A A get
A A > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago.
A A >
A A > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him
A A > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at
A A > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that
was
A A > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is
A A > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to
Carrol
A A > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know
how
A A to
A A > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both
A A > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think
Senna
A A > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him.
A A >
A A > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began
A A changing
A A > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear
to
A A > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it
due
A A to
A A > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to
A A additional
A A > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1,
even
A A if
A A > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be.
A A >
A A > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it
A A inequitable
A A > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I
think
A A > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I
A A think
A A > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna
was
A A the
A A > better more ballsy driver.
A A >
A A > But I still think he was arrogant.
A A > Asa Jay
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [4]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
A A > [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A > [6]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
A A >
A A >
A A > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, [7]cengles at cox.net wrote:
A A > > Dear Mikael,
A A > >
A A > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first
A A > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something
of
A A an
A A > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely
A A changed
A A > > my mind after seeing the movie.
A A > >
A A > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
A A > >
A A > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote:
A A > >
A A > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially
at my
A A > > age. You
A A > >
A A > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just
saw
A A the
A A > > Senna
A A > >
A A > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994
after
A A > > Senna's
A A > >
A A > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always
thought
A A he
A A > > was a
A A > >
A A > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that
I've
A A seen
A A > > the
A A > >
A A > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in
charge,
A A the
A A > >
A A > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being
disqualified
A A for
A A > > not
A A > >
A A > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see
Senna
A A > > winning pole
A A > >
A A > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track.
With
A A that
A A > > in mind,
A A > >
A A > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked
like
A A both
A A > > were at
A A > >
A A > > > fault for that accident.
A A > >
A A > > >
A A > >
A A > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll
A A change
A A > > my mind
A A > >
A A > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now...
A A > >
A A > > >
A A > >
A A > > >
A A > >
A A > > > Mvh/Regards
A A > >
A A > > > Mikael
A A > >
A A > > >
A A > >
A A > > >
A A > >
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4. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
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