[DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25

Sun Mar 2 14:42:22 EST 2014

That was Gary Herrig who bought the car in Florida from an exotics rental
car company, and had basically put it to pasture not knowing what they had.
It was painted that gawd-awful mystique shifting-color paint at the time.
After painting and a new interior, he sold it a couple years later for
something in the $65K range, still a huge deal to its current owner (I think
in New York state), who had tracked the car since it came to the US, and as
soon as it surfaced in Gary's hands, contacted him with interest to buy when
he was ready.

Mike Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Charles
McCall
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:03 AM
To: montana at montanas.com; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso
Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25

Hi Ken

The conversions carried out by the DeTomaso Factory were done by a shop
called Pavesi, in Milan, Italy. These were done in the 70's and 80's, and I
don't know if the company is still around, and I am not aware of them having
done any conversions for private customers. The amount of reinforcing done
to perform the conversion makes it somewhat impractical for a finished car -
there is tons of steel reinforcing welded in and you need to completely
strip the car. 

Hall Pantera did several targas, and the word on the street is that they
were so labor intensive that Gary Hall said he'd never do any more. Gary
Hall passed away a few years ago.

This is a really big and expensive undertaking. You would no doubt be money
ahead buying a car already converted, if you could find one. They are out
there. 

As a coincidence, I was reading a POCA profiles from 2003 last night before
going to bed. A Pavesi conversion GT5-S was sold in 2003 for $42k, if I
remember correctly, which has to be the all-time steal of the century

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Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso
Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25

2/27/14
All,
I own an Amerisport GT5-S titled as a 1997 / VIN #: A9PN8740HD111017 I am
requesting any information available about the "Targa" conversion.
Thanks,
Ken Montana
Biloxi, MS 228-832-1313 / montana at montanas.com

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Si hub carrier - retrofit? (Julian Kift)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:05:51 -0800
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
	<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>, Mike Thomas
	<mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit?
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The name Olaf Roks rings a bell, didn't he come over to teh US and view some
Pantera's for himself?

Simon sent me a photo yesterday of his Lamborghinin Dianblo SV loaded on a
trailer and headed off for sale!

Julian

> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit?
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:51:47 -0800
> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
> Charlie,
> 
> Simon has a whole pile of Panteras. :)
> 
> He has two of the 12 GT5-S Pavesi Targas. You saw the white one at Spa.
His red one was modified by a prior owner with Si-look front and rear
bodywork, so he is continuing the conversion by fitting Si suspension,
brakes and wheels. 
> 
> I was wrong--the parts didn't come off the wrecked car, they were just 
> De
Tomaso spares. 
> 
> Simon also has a black Si that was also at Spa. 
> 
> He used to own the gold Si targa that we saw at Le Mans. He sold that 
> to
his friend Alexander Oet. Alexander actually owned it when we saw it. Simon
was driving his Iso Grifo, the orange one that was parked in the De Tomaso
enclosure. 
> 
> Simon bought a yellow Pantera L in Arizona while attending the fun 
> rally,
but he has already sold that to a guy named Olaf Roks. Simon also recently
completed the ground up restoration of a yellow Mangusta. He just bought an
ERA GT40 last week and is looking for a Longchamp. 
> 
> Yeah, his life sucks! :)
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:23, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Simon has a white (86?) GT5-S Pavesi, and a gold SI Pavesi, right? 
> > The
Gold
> > Si is a conversion and isn't one of the 4 Pavesi Sis? Or has the 
> > white
car
> > been converted "under the skin"? 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Julian
Kift
> > Sent: lunes, 24 de febrero de 2014 18:52
> > To: Mike Thomas; MikeLDrew at aol.com; De Tomaso List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit?
> > 
> > I think that answer is yes, as long as you have an earlier wide body
car.
> > Simon Vels has a GT5S Pavesi Targa converted to Si specs, he said 
> > the
a-arms
> > fit, but shocks and sway bar need to be the earlier GT5S (same as 
> > std
> > Panetra) varaints, not Si.
> > 
> > The a-arms wouldn't be hard to fabricate (and potentially cheaper) 
> > if
you
> > could get ahold of the hubs. the question is were they unique to the 
> > Si
or
> > borrowed from some other vehicle?
> > 
> > Julian
> > 
> >> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:35:08 -0800
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit?
> >> 
> >> So, if you were to go to a wheel with the appropriate offset, could
these
> > A
> >> arms/rear hub carrier be used on an earlier car?  Not cheap, 
> >> granted,
but
> > I
> >> would suspect a significant improvement in handling with the longer
> > radius.
> >> 
> >> Mike Thomas
> >> VP, POCA
> >> VP, Panteras Northwest
> >> Yellow '74 #6328
> >> 

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