From guson at home.se Sat Mar 1 05:36:17 2014 From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 02:36:17 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Message-ID: <1576EA2510324C0A965A0D0BC3840344@mail2world.com> I'd go with the 255 tires. 225 tires sit well on 8" rims. I have 295 tires on 10" rims and sidewall budge is significant. They would sit better on 12" rims. I've previously had them on 11" rims and even they looked narrow. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Stephen Nelson [steve at snclocks.com] Sent: 28/2/2014 7:41:23 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to figure out my tire options. Which are pretty limited, as reported many times here before. I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that might work on the back 8 inch rims: 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - 10.5 inch wide rims. Tread width 10.4" Section width 12.2" 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 inch wide rims. Tread width 9.1" Section width 10.2" The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 inch wide rims? Stephen Nelson SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists Contact Lists Click here for our new Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for my new blog on finding happiness in retirement

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Annons: Hitta k?rleken p? M?tesplatsen.se ? Bli medlem Gratis nu -------------- next part -------------- I'd go with the 255 tires. 225 tires sit well on 8" rims. I have 295 tires on 10" rims and sidewall budge is significant. They would sit better on 12" rims. I've previously had them on 11" rims and even they looked narrow. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Stephen Nelson [steve at snclocks.com] Sent: 28/2/2014 7:41:23 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to figure out my tire options. Which are pretty limited, as reported many times here before. I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that might work on the back 8 inch rims: 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - 10.5 inch wide rims. Tread width 10.4" Section width 12.2" 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 inch wide rims. Tread width 9.1" Section width 10.2" The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 inch wide rims? Stephen Nelson SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists Contact Lists Click here for our new Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for my new blog on finding happiness in retirement _______________________________________________________________ Annons: [1]Hitta kaerleken paa Moetesplatsen.se Bli medlem Gratis nu References 1. http://adserver.adtech.de/?adlink|3.0|1297|4819575|1|16|AdId=9776362;BnId=1;link=http://rms.admeta.com/public/transfer.asp?sitebanner_id=4723912 From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 05:36:40 2014 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 02:36:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In-Reply-To: <806CC88FE04E4A62B9F4C62048615BFD@XPS> References: <5501b.64898b23.4026face@aol.com> <806CC88FE04E4A62B9F4C62048615BFD@XPS> Message-ID: <1393670200.58268.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IMHO? I would like the 8" Campy much better, on the rear of a Pantera, if the back spacing was? 4" to 4 1/2". It brings the tire out some, looking more like a tire on a 10" Campy in the wheel well opening. The difference between 8'' and 10" Campy ( since both have the 5 3/16" back spacing ) makes the outer edge of an 8" farther under the car. But my dad always said " If wishes were horses, then beggars could ride." ? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) ________________________________ From: Stephen Nelson To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to figure ? out my tire options.? Which are pretty limited, as reported many times ? here before.? I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that might ? work on the back 8 inch rims: ? 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - 10.5 ? inch wide rims.? Tread width 10.4"? Section width 12.2" ? 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 ? inch wide rims.? ? ? Tread width? 9.1"? Section width 10.2" ? The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any ? comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with ? 8 inch wide rims? ? Stephen Nelson ? [1]SNClocks.com ? Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists ? Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries ? Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References ? 1. http://www.snclocks.com/ ? 2. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html ? 3. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 ? 4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- IMHO I would like the 8" Campy much better, on the rear of a Pantera, if the back spacing was 4" to 4 1/2". It brings the tire out some, looking more like a tire on a 10" Campy in the wheel well opening. The difference between 8'' and 10" Campy ( since both have the 5 3/16" back spacing ) makes the outer edge of an 8" farther under the car. But my dad always said " If wishes were horses, then beggars could ride." Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Stephen Nelson To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to figure out my tire options. Which are pretty limited, as reported many times here before. I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that might work on the back 8 inch rims: 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - 10.5 inch wide rims. Tread width 10.4" Section width 12.2" 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 inch wide rims. Tread width 9.1" Section width 10.2" The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 inch wide rims? Stephen Nelson [1]SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References 1. [1]http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. [2]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. [3]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-S teves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. [4]http://www.perfectoldman.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From shbailey at att.net Sat Mar 1 08:19:52 2014 From: shbailey at att.net (Sam) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 08:19:52 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] 15" Tires Message-ID: <38861E1E21BF431C8C5A99468982B70E@DadarooHP> I run 255 60?s size on my car and am happy. Would have gotten 275?s at but they were not available. I like the 255?s in the fact that I can get a good hard start with virtually no wheel spin but I can grab a second and third shift chirp from the tires that you can easily hear. They also don?t look too big and out of place for an earlier original car from 40 years ago. If you want to see a video go to You Tube ?Detomaso Pantera High Performance Fun?. It includes some of my shifts along with 2 high speed runs. I also tested these under really hard turning and acceleration with my 205?s up front on a lot of Interstate clover leafs and it was very stable. Tried to use 225?s up front but my car is a 1971 and I wanted to not roll the front fenders since the car is so original. May have been able to get away with it but I had removed the spring spacers to lower the car. -------------- next part -------------- I run 255 60as size on my car and am happy. Would have gotten 275as at but they were not available. I like the 255as in the fact that I can get a good hard start with virtually no wheel spin but I can grab a second and third shift chirp from the tires that you can easily hear. They also donat look too big and out of place for an earlier original car from 40 years ago. If you want to see a video go to You Tube aDetomaso Pantera High Performance Funa. It includes some of my shifts along with 2 high speed runs. I also tested these under really hard turning and acceleration with my 205as up front on a lot of Interstate clover leafs and it was very stable. Tried to use 225as up front but my car is a 1971 and I wanted to not roll the front fenders since the car is so original. May have been able to get away with it but I had removed the spring spacers to lower the car. From robpink2012 at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 08:24:24 2014 From: robpink2012 at gmail.com (Robert Pink) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 07:24:24 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tim Horton Pantera In-Reply-To: <5e18d.df30dc3.40423fc7@aol.com> References: <5e18d.df30dc3.40423fc7@aol.com> Message-ID: Having lived in Toronto for many years Tim Horton compares to Dunkin like a Pantera compares to a Fiero On Friday, February 28, 2014, wrote: > An old school mate of mine back in Nova Scotia sent me this article > from a Toronto newspaper. > > > > I think most everyone knew that he died in a Pantera, but I was > surprised to learn how he got the car. > > > > For the uninitiated, there is a Tim Horton coffee shop on nearly every > corner in Canada at least in eastern Canada, and they are moving into > the US. (Good coffee, great soup and other stuff) > > > > Bob Reid > -------------- next part -------------- Having lived in Toronto for many years Tim Horton compares to Dunkin like a Pantera compares to a Fiero On Friday, February 28, 2014, <[1]P6746 at aol.com> wrote: An old school mate of mine back in Nova Scotia sent me this article from a Toronto newspaper. I think most everyone knew that he died in a Pantera, but I was surprised to learn how he got the car. For the uninitiated, there is a Tim Horton coffee shop on nearly every corner in Canada at least in eastern Canada, and they are moving into the US. (Good coffee, great soup and other stuff) Bob Reid References 1. mailto:P6746 at aol.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Sat Mar 1 10:59:09 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 10:59:09 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in Savannah, today was the first one. About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. -------------- next part -------------- We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in Savannah, today was the first one. About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. From michael at michaelshortt.com Sat Mar 1 11:17:28 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:17:28 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a video about that GTR. I bet that it is a blast to drive, but destined to drastically depreciate. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY Michael Shortt -------------- next part -------------- Here's a video about that GTR. I bet that it is a blast to drive, but destined to drastically depreciate. [1]http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY Michael Shortt References 1. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 11:33:57 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 08:33:57 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: There has been an Alpha 11 version on eBay on and off for some time now, supposedly cost $370K to build. The problem with this and the likes of Ford GT Twin Turbo's or Lamborghini TT Underground conversions is a) Sellers actually believe they can recoup most or all of the upgrade costs and b) you just know that cars that have had that done have likely been thrashed at some point. On the GTR specifically no doubting it is a great car, I have recounted previously that I raced my Ultima in SCCA time trials against one and couldn't figure out initially what I had to do to keep up with him. Once I got behind I sure didn't want to be there, the car was literally driving him with all the traction control, the back end weaving from side to side to continually auto recover. This guy was determined I wasn't going to get by, but in the end he just pushed it too hard and spun. At a later event early in 2013 I heard he lost it completely on the Ess's at Reno-Fernley, went off into the dirt heading straight for the flag station at turn 2, but there's a gulch running through there, the result was car was totaled with bent chassis. Julian Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:17:28 -0500 From: michael at michaelshortt.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Here's a video about that GTR. I bet that it is a blast to drive, but destined to drastically depreciate. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY Michael Shortt _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- There has been an Alpha 11 version on eBay on and off for some time now, supposedly cost $370K to build. The problem with this and the likes of Ford GT Twin Turbo's or Lamborghini TT Underground conversions is a) Sellers actually believe they can recoup most or all of the upgrade costs and b) you just know that cars that have had that done have likely been thrashed at some point. On the GTR specifically no doubting it is a great car, I have recounted previously that I raced my Ultima in SCCA time trials against one and couldn't figure out initially what I had to do to keep up with him. Once I got behind I sure didn't want to be there, the car was literally driving him with all the traction control, the back end weaving from side to side to continually auto recover. This guy was determined I wasn't going to get by, but in the end he just pushed it too hard and spun. At a later event early in 2013 I heard he lost it completely on the Ess's at Reno-Fernley, went off into the dirt heading straight for the flag station at turn 2, but there's a gulch running through there, the result was car was totaled with bent chassis. Julian Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:17:28 -0500 From: michael at michaelshortt.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Here's a video about that GTR. I bet that it is a blast to drive, but destined to drastically depreciate. [1]http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY Michael Shortt _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY From damaadams at aol.com Sat Mar 1 11:43:32 2014 From: damaadams at aol.com (Daryl Adams) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:43:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D10384845D8583-41CC-1051A@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> If it doesn't go "kaboom" first. -----Original Message----- From: michael To: detomaso Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 10:18 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Here's a video about that GTR. I bet that it is a blast to drive, but destined to drastically depreciate. [1]http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY Michael Shortt References 1. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- If it doesn't go "kaboom" first. -----Original Message----- From: michael To: detomaso Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 10:18 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Here's a video about that GTR. I bet that it is a blast to drive, but destined to drastically depreciate. [1][1]http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY Michael Shortt References 1. [2]http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY 2. http://youtu.be/cpQ5kQWTinY 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gaino at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 11:48:45 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:48:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Message-ID: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Money Pitt! -----Original Message----- >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM >To: detomaso at poca.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in > Savannah, today was the first one. > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Mar 1 13:15:16 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 13:15:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Message-ID: <7c4f5.4962ecdb.40437db4@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/14 10 42 31, steve at snclocks.com writes: > The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any > comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 > inch wide rims? > >>>The Pre-L cars came with (by today's standards) laughably skinny and tall tires, sized 185/70 front and either 215 or 225/70 rear. The L-model cars switched to 'low-profile' tires, sized C 60 and H 60, which corresponds to 215/60 front and 255/60 rear. Those would probably give the best handling feedback and would be the most 'right', although they still look rather undersized by today's standards. While the 295/50 will fit on an 8-inch rear and lots of people use them, they are arguably too wide for that relatively narrow wheel; they really prefer a 10-inch wheel. Similarly, a popular upgrade for the front is 225/50, but that also prefers a wider wheel, i.e. 8-inch. All other things being equal, if you have the stock 7/8 inch wheels, I'd probably shoot for a 215/60 and 255/60 combo. BFG is the only outfit that offers those sizes, I think, and while they are not the best tires in the world, they are more than adequate for street driving, and they are leagues better than anything that was available when the cars were new. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 2/28/14 10 42 31, steve at snclocks.com writes: The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 inch wide rims? >>>The Pre-L cars came with (by today's standards) laughably skinny and tall tires, sized 185/70 front and either 215 or 225/70 rear. The L-model cars switched to 'low-profile' tires, sized C 60 and H 60, which corresponds to 215/60 front and 255/60 rear. Those would probably give the best handling feedback and would be the most 'right', although they still look rather undersized by today's standards. While the 295/50 will fit on an 8-inch rear and lots of people use them, they are arguably too wide for that relatively narrow wheel; they really prefer a 10-inch wheel. Similarly, a popular upgrade for the front is 225/50, but that also prefers a wider wheel, i.e. 8-inch. All other things being equal, if you have the stock 7/8 inch wheels, I'd probably shoot for a 215/60 and 255/60 combo. BFG is the only outfit that offers those sizes, I think, and while they are not the best tires in the world, they are more than adequate for street driving, and they are leagues better than anything that was available when the cars were new. Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Mar 1 13:15:18 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 13:15:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Wheel Identification Message-ID: <7c4fb.2f799b96.40437db6@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/14 22 00 27, mghibli7 at hotmail.com writes: > I need some help identifying the manufacturer of this wheel. Does anybody > recognize it? > > It is a three piece wheel, the rears are 17" x 13? the fronts are 17" x > 10". Sorry pictures are so dark, didn't realize how dark they were until I > got in from the shop > >>>Sorry it's taken awhile to reply. Others have correctly identified them as Hall Pantera wheels. These center are actually intended for 15-inch wheels, and have been fitted to 17-inch hoops. They are no better or worse than any of the other Hall Pantera wheels which are legendary for failing. They were a very sincere, honest attempt at making a good-looking, cheap wheel, but Hall was let down by his supplier, who failed to engineer the wheels properly for any sort of longevity. I would view them as scrap today. :<( Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 2/27/14 22 00 27, mghibli7 at hotmail.com writes: I need some help identifying the manufacturer of this wheel. Does anybody recognize it? It is a three piece wheel, the rears are 17" x 13? the fronts are 17" x 10". Sorry pictures are so dark, didn't realize how dark they were until I got in from the shop >>>Sorry it's taken awhile to reply. Others have correctly identified them as Hall Pantera wheels. These center are actually intended for 15-inch wheels, and have been fitted to 17-inch hoops. They are no better or worse than any of the other Hall Pantera wheels which are legendary for failing. They were a very sincere, honest attempt at making a good-looking, cheap wheel, but Hall was let down by his supplier, who failed to engineer the wheels properly for any sort of longevity. I would view them as scrap today. :<( Mike From thomas at hax.se Sat Mar 1 13:21:39 2014 From: thomas at hax.se (thomas) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 19:21:39 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? Message-ID: Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. Thomas From adin at frontier.net Sat Mar 1 14:25:08 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:25:08 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Stories . . . Message-ID: <2B155E02C35A4F37895D4E1E4B655BA2@ZTxp> Don't you just love these stories??? The Banks record deisel pickup was trailered to SLC or Wendover . . . race trailer hooked up and then photographed hauling the trailer onto the salt. I guess all that counts is looking good with the pole between your legs? Happy motoring . . . "That's an improvement fot Hennessey since the Silver State race a few years ago when Larry Stock tucked in on the bumper and drafted Hennessey driving one of his go-fa$ter$. The big bad Viper couldn't pull away from Larry's street Pantera with an unblown 351-C. At 187 indicated, Larry backed off just before the next radar checkpoint, where Hennessey was disqualified for exceeding his Tech speed. Larry finished and drove home. Hennessey trailered the Viper." -------------- next part -------------- Don't you just love these stories??? The Banks record deisel pickup was trailered to SLC or Wendover . . . race trailer hooked up and then photographed hauling the trailer onto the salt. I guess all that counts is looking good with the pole between your legs? Happy motoring . . . "That's an improvement fot Hennessey since the Silver State race a few years ago when Larry Stock tucked in on the bumper and drafted Hennessey driving one of his go-fa$ter$. The big bad Viper couldn't pull away from Larry's street Pantera with an unblown 351-C. At 187 indicated, Larry backed off just before the next radar checkpoint, where Hennessey was disqualified for exceeding his Tech speed. Larry finished and drove home. Hennessey trailered the Viper." From adin at frontier.net Sat Mar 1 14:27:30 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] more stories Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Sports car reaches 270 miles per // Hennessey Venom GT << So when can I get this motor for my Pantera?>> Your local chebbie dealer will sell you one, then PAY Mr. H to modify it a little . . . Your wallet will say . . . . Ouchies! -------------- next part -------------- Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Sports car reaches 270 miles per // Hennessey Venom GT << So when can I get this motor for my Pantera?>> Your local chebbie dealer will sell you one, then PAY Mr. H to modify it a little . . . Your wallet will say . . . . Ouchies! From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 1 14:28:49 2014 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1393702129.17177.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Lambo parts...fair price...Baw ha ha ha Sorry I couldn't help myself! Good Luck ________________________________ From: thomas To: "" Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. Thomas _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Lambo parts...fair price...Baw ha ha ha Sorry I couldn't help myself! Good Luck From: thomas To: "" Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. Thomas _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From adin at frontier.net Sat Mar 1 14:49:04 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:49:04 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? Message-ID: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . -------------- next part -------------- "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 14:49:22 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:49:22 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try www.usedlamborghiniparts.com or www.exoticwholesaleparts.com There is another outfit that sells a lot of salvage/wrecked exotics (sometimes on eBay) but the name escapes me at present. Julian > From: thomas at hax.se > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 19:21:39 +0100 > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? > > Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? > > My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Try www.usedlamborghiniparts.com or www.exoticwholesaleparts.com There is another outfit that sells a lot of salvage/wrecked exotics (sometimes on eBay) but the name escapes me at present. Julian > From: thomas at hax.se > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 19:21:39 +0100 > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? > > Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? > > My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 14:51:31 2014 From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com (Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 14:51:31 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ricambi America and Eurospares are your best bets. I've bought from both and prices are way more reasonable than at a main dealer. Also look up the parts cross reference on Lamboweb and Lambopower. You can get the same parts for a lot cheaper when you're not buying a "lambo" parts. On Mar 1, 2014 1:22 PM, "thomas" wrote: > Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 > at a fair price? > > My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the > lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has > something to do with that. > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Ricambi America and Eurospares are your best bets. I've bought from both and prices are way more reasonable than at a main dealer. Also look up the parts cross reference on Lamboweb and Lambopower. You can get the same parts for a lot cheaper when you're not buying a "lambo" parts. On Mar 1, 2014 1:22 PM, "thomas" <[1]thomas at hax.se> wrote: Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. Thomas _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thomas at hax.se 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From davel at emspace.com Sat Mar 1 15:10:34 2014 From: davel at emspace.com (dave londry) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 12:10:34 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Amelia Island Weekend Message-ID: <53123EBA.9020903@emspace.com> Hey Michael I may get a chance to get over to Amelia Island next weekend. What would be the best day? Thought you just might know. dave From thomas at hax.se Sat Mar 1 15:18:57 2014 From: thomas at hax.se (thomas) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 21:18:57 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? In-Reply-To: <1393702129.17177.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1393702129.17177.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Heh, yeah :) He had issues with ignition coils burning out on his Diablo, and at around $900 a piece we checked for alternatives. Turned out that the same coil was used in Fiat Tipos, and they could be had for next to nothing. Ultimately the problem was a bad connector on the coil and after replacing that there were no more coil problems. That said, the rear lenses can't be found on any Fiat. Parts are however often much less in the US than what we get to pay here. I've even bought OEM parts for some of my audis from the US as they were like 1/3 the cost compared to here. I've seen the lenses for around 2200 per side. No idea what the Swedish distributor wants for them. Thomas > 1 mar 2014 kl. 20:28 skrev Curt Hall : > > Lambo parts...fair price...Baw ha ha ha Sorry I couldn't help myself! Good Luck > From: thomas > To: "" > Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:21 AM > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? > > Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? > > My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > !DSPAM:531235b512902116145615! -------------- next part -------------- Heh, yeah :) He had issues with ignition coils burning out on his Diablo, and at around $900 a piece we checked for alternatives. Turned out that the same coil was used in Fiat Tipos, and they could be had for next to nothing. Ultimately the problem was a bad connector on the coil and after replacing that there were no more coil problems. That said, the rear lenses can't be found on any Fiat. Parts are however often much less in the US than what we get to pay here. I've even bought OEM parts for some of my audis from the US as they were like 1/3 the cost compared to here. I've seen the lenses for around 2200 per side. No idea what the Swedish distributor wants for them. Thomas 1 mar 2014 kl. 20:28 skrev Curt Hall <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>: Lambo parts...fair price...Baw ha ha ha Sorry I couldn't help myself! Good Luck From: thomas <[2]thomas at hax.se> To: "<[3]detomaso at poca.com>" <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. Thomas _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com !DSPAM:531235b512902116145615! References 1. mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:thomas at hax.se 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sat Mar 1 15:40:30 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:40:30 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals Message-ID: Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone -------------- next part -------------- Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone From spkorb at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 16:06:25 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:06:25 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Screw it. Duct tape (red, f course) both of them over and drill and mount some nice trailer lights on top of the rear deck. Gets them higher into the air so people can see them better from their Escalades and Excursions. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM, thomas wrote: > Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? > > My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From mazdastuff at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 17:13:39 2014 From: mazdastuff at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:13:39 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com They have a Euro style setup. Sent from The Republic of Texas On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sat Mar 1 17:22:56 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 14:22:56 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks for the info--but I'm thinking of going to a salvage yard so I can just get the female parts--my shoulder belt and the retractable, male part are still good. Sincerely, Chris > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: mazdastuff at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:13:39 -0600 > To: chrisvkimball at msn.com > > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > They have a Euro style setup. > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > Hi folks, > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > time I drive. > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > Does anyone know the part I need? > Thanks, > Chris > Sent from my Windows Phone > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Thanks for the info--but I'm thinking of going to a salvage yard so I can just get the female parts--my shoulder belt and the retractable, male part are still good. Sincerely, Chris > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: mazdastuff at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:13:39 -0600 > To: chrisvkimball at msn.com > > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > They have a Euro style setup. > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > Hi folks, > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > time I drive. > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > Does anyone know the part I need? > Thanks, > Chris > Sent from my Windows Phone > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 17:28:31 2014 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 14:28:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1393712911.51560.YahooMailNeo@web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I believe the Ford truck belt thing came from Jack * JDeRyke at aol.com ? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) ________________________________ From: Christopher Kimball To: 'Pantera list serve' Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:40 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals ? Hi folks, ? While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like ? to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on ? stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every ? time I drive. ? I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with ? the stock male belts I'm going to retain. ? Does anyone know the part I need? ? Thanks, ? Chris ? Sent from my Windows Phone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I believe the Ford truck belt thing came from Jack * [1]JDeRyke at aol.com Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Christopher Kimball To: 'Pantera list serve' Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:40 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=703b2ujb9fnjh 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sat Mar 1 17:30:19 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 14:30:19 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] seat belt receptacle follow-up Message-ID: I just found an old email I saved from Jack DeRyke: As long as the reels and insertion-ends are OK, why not find some surplus Ford buckle-ends? I used the buckle ends from the jump-seats of an '89 Ford extended-cab pickup, and not only were they about the right length and click onto the stock belts, the screws holding them to the floor fits the Pantera, and the plastic stand-up holders from the main seats can be shortened to fit the Pantera too. The Ford buckles are plated but roughing them up and spray painting would make them almost identical to the stock plastic-buckles in appearance. Replacing the other ends is complicated due to the reels and sewn-together belt/shoulder harness in your '74. Good luck- J Deryke I'm wondering if the ford buckle ends to which he refers would work with the male ends in my stock '72? Chris -------------- next part -------------- I just found an old email I saved from Jack DeRyke: As long as the reels and insertion-ends are OK, why not find some surplus Ford buckle-ends? I used the buckle ends from the jump-seats of an '89 Ford extended-cab pickup, and not only were they about the right length and click onto the stock belts, the screws holding them to the floor fits the Pantera, and the plastic stand-up holders from the main seats can be shortened to fit the Pantera too. The Ford buckles are plated but roughing them up and spray painting would make them almost identical to the stock plastic-buckles in appearance. Replacing the other ends is complicated due to the reels and sewn-together belt/shoulder harness in your '74. Good luck- J Deryke I'm wondering if the ford buckle ends to which he refers would work with the mal e ends in my stock '72? Chris From SOBill at aol.com Sat Mar 1 17:59:19 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 17:59:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Double messages Message-ID: Is anyone else getting the text part of the forum messages doubled? Is it just AOL giving me more for my money? Non-forum messages are OK. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill -------------- next part -------------- Is anyone else getting the text part of the forum messages doubled? Is it just AOL giving me more for my money? Non-forum messages are OK. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill From fresnofinches at aol.com Sat Mar 1 18:28:31 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:28:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Double messages Message-ID: <8D103BD17989791-1CE4-12132@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> I've had them doubled for several days now. BUT, I've also noticed the links contained within a message will now open in the same window. Previously, I had to right-click and open in a new window. I suspect the POCA webmaster elves have a hand in this..... ;-) Larry -------------- next part -------------- I've had them doubled for several days now. BUT, I've also noticed the links contained within a message will now open in the same window. Previously, I had to right-click and open in a new window. I suspect the POCA webmaster elves have a hand in this..... ;-) Larry From bill at incendium.com Sat Mar 1 18:37:06 2014 From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:37:06 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Double messages In-Reply-To: <8D103BD17989791-1CE4-12132@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D103BD17989791-1CE4-12132@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <724978631-1393717025-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-623082301-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> No double double here. But I'm not on AOL. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: Larry Finch Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:28:31 To: Subject: [DeTomaso] Double messages _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From SOBill at aol.com Sat Mar 1 20:33:16 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 20:33:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Double Messages Message-ID: <95545.79371df3.4043e45c@aol.com> The text in non- forum messages is not doubled. The text in forum messages is doubled, but not identically parsed. Who knows? Who cares? Pretty sure is not the cause AOL since several non-AOL forum users report the doubling problem. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill -------------- next part -------------- The text in non- forum messages is not doubled. The text in forum messages is doubled, but not identically parsed. Who knows? Who cares? Pretty sure is not the cause AOL since several non-AOL forum users report the doubling problem. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill From asajay at asajay.com Sat Mar 1 20:43:59 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:43:59 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Double Messages In-Reply-To: <95545.79371df3.4043e45c@aol.com> References: <95545.79371df3.4043e45c@aol.com> Message-ID: <53128CDF.5020001@asajay.com> No, it's not AOL. It's the limitations of the Mailman server software. Mailman isn't actually designed to handle html messages very well. It was originally designed as a text only mail forwarder. So what's happened? Well, in allowing html and attachments, the archiver can't cope and stores the messages as html, which created complaints from those who browse the messages by going to the server and not receiving emails directly. So we had to switch a setting to re-parse the html emails into plain text. So, now they populate properly in the archive but often the text is duplicated in the messages forwarded to the list. I've monkeyed with it a few times but haven't been able to make it work any better. I could probably set it all back to how it was, not allowing photos or any other attachments through and it might return to normal. Honestly, it's nearly amazing that Mailman is still supported with all the forums and other email forwarders out there today, and there isn't any kind of user interface updates, mostly just bug fixes and security enhancements. What does everybody like better? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/1/2014 5:33 PM, [4]SOBill at aol.com wrote: The text in non- forum messages is not doubled. The text in forum messages is doubled, but not identically parsed. Who knows? Who cares? Pretty sure is not the cause AOL since several non-AOL forum users report the doubling problem. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [7]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3705/6636 - Release Date: 02/28/14 References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. mailto:SOBill at aol.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. http://www.avg.com/ From davel at emspace.com Sat Mar 1 21:14:56 2014 From: davel at emspace.com (dave londry) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:14:56 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Double Messages In-Reply-To: <53128CDF.5020001@asajay.com> References: <95545.79371df3.4043e45c@aol.com> <53128CDF.5020001@asajay.com> Message-ID: <53129420.80300@emspace.com> Oh attachments are nice. And a little bit of duplicated text is no big deal to me. dave On 01/03/2014 5:43 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > No, it's not AOL. It's the limitations of the Mailman server software. > Mailman isn't actually designed to handle html messages very well. It > was originally designed as a text only mail forwarder. So what's > happened? > Well, in allowing html and attachments, the archiver can't cope and > stores the messages as html, which created complaints from those who > browse the messages by going to the server and not receiving emails > directly. So we had to switch a setting to re-parse the html emails > into plain text. > So, now they populate properly in the archive but often the text is > duplicated in the messages forwarded to the list. > I've monkeyed with it a few times but haven't been able to make it work > any better. I could probably set it all back to how it was, not > allowing photos or any other attachments through and it might return to > normal. > Honestly, it's nearly amazing that Mailman is still supported with all > the forums and other email forwarders out there today, and there isn't > any kind of user interface updates, mostly just bug fixes and security > enhancements. > What does everybody like better? > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > On 3/1/2014 5:33 PM, [4]SOBill at aol.com wrote: > > > The text in non- forum messages is not doubled. > > > > The text in forum messages is doubled, but not identically parsed. > > > > Who knows? Who cares? > > > > Pretty sure is not the cause AOL since several non-AOL forum users > report the doubling problem. > > > > SOBill > > > > The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. > Do the best you can with what your have where you are. > Have fun today! > SOBill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [7]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3705/6636 - Release Date: 02/28/14 > > References > > 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > 4. mailto:SOBill at aol.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 7. http://www.avg.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 21:23:21 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:23:21 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Double Messages In-Reply-To: <95545.79371df3.4043e45c@aol.com> References: <95545.79371df3.4043e45c@aol.com> Message-ID: What, is there an echo in here...., What, is there an echo in here. From: SOBill at aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 20:33:16 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Double Messages The text in non- forum messages is not doubled. The text in forum messages is doubled, but not identically parsed. Who knows? Who cares? Pretty sure is not the cause AOL since several non-AOL forum users report the doubling problem. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- What, is there an echo in here...., What, is there an echo in here. From: SOBill at aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 20:33:16 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Double Messages The text in non- forum messages is not doubled. The text in forum messages is doubled, but not identically parsed. Who knows? Who cares? Pretty sure is not the cause AOL since several non-AOL forum users report the doubling problem. SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 21:38:08 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 21:38:08 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name escapes me. Boyd On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino wrote: > Money Pitt! > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com " < > michael at michaelshortt.com > > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > >To: detomaso at poca.com > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. > > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts > If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name escapes me. Boyd On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[1]gaino at earthlink.net> wrote: Money Pitt! -----Original Message----- >From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM >To: [4]detomaso at poca.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in > Savannah, today was the first one. > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. [5]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. [6]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 2. javascript:; 3. javascript:; 4. javascript:; 5. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts 6. http://www.slickpaint.com/ 7. javascript:; 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 21:49:52 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 21:49:52 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm not > saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to have $250k > in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out of it's 6 > cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think you might get back > whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows what that might be. Ther > aren't to many Japanese cars that have done very well in the resale > market. The only one I can think of off hand that has really appreciated > is that old Toyota who's name escapes me. > Boyd > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino wrote: > >> Money Pitt! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >> >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM >> >To: detomaso at poca.com >> >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. >> > >> > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee >> in >> > Savannah, today was the first one. >> > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American >> > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. >> > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he >> > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. >> >> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts >> If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name escapes me. Boyd On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[2]gaino at earthlink.net> wrote: Money Pitt! -----Original Message----- >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM >To: detomaso at poca.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in > Savannah, today was the first one. > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. [4]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 3. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts 4. http://www.slickpaint.com/ 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Toyota 200 GT.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 143476 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spkorb at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 22:22:08 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 22:22:08 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: For that kind of green I can get one of these: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/jaguar-e-type-eagle-low-drag-gt-video/ I think I'd prefer an XJ13 though and it probably costs about the same. Ah the choices to be made after I'm superrich ;) I guess I'll have both, and my bop-around Pantera, my race Pantera, my embarrass the street crowd Pantera and the electric Pantera, of course. sean On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm > not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to > have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out > of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think > you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows > what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done > very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off > hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name > escapes me. > > Boyd > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[2]gaino at earthlink.net> wrote: > > Money Pitt! > -----Original Message----- > >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > >To: detomaso at poca.com > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and > Coffee in > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between > American > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice > people. > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, > said he > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was > tight. > [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= > ts&fref=ts > If you want it slick. [4]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > 2. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net > 3. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts > 4. http://www.slickpaint.com/ > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 22:46:22 2014 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 19:46:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2006 Ford GT Heritage Edition In-Reply-To: <1393729129.68169.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1393675908.98127.YahooMailNeo@web140903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1393729129.68169.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1393731982.40142.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ? This one is expected to cross the Auction America block between $360,000 to 400,000 at the gavel. http://www.streetlegaltv.com/features/car-features/car-feature-2006-ford-gt-heritage-edition/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=car-feature-2006-ford-gt-heritage-edition -------------- next part -------------- This one is expected to cross the Auction America block between $360,000 to 400,000 at the gavel. [1]http://www.streetlegaltv.com/features/car-features/car-feature-2006- ford-gt-heritage-edition/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ca r-feature-2006-ford-gt-heritage-edition References 1. http://www.streetlegaltv.com/features/car-features/car-feature-2006-ford-gt-heritage-edition/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=car-feature-2006-ford-gt-heritage-edition From Bill at Incendium.com Sat Mar 1 22:53:33 2014 From: Bill at Incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 20:53:33 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002701cf35ca$fba31a70$f2e94f50$@com> Acura NSX Cheers, Bill Moore Calgary, AB. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Casey Sent: March-01-14 7:38 PM To: bill gaino Cc: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name escapes me. Boyd On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino wrote: > Money Pitt! > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com " < > michael at michaelshortt.com > > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > >To: detomaso at poca.com > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and Coffee in > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between American > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice people. > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, said he > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was tight. > > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fr > ef=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 23:34:49 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 04:34:49 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, , , Message-ID: Although I grew up in the 50's when the Corvette was THE car, the XKE had to be the car that made men (and boys) weep! Unbelievably beautiful. Of course, those old Bugattis, etc., etc., etc., in the 20s/30s were/are still??? ----BILL Lewis > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 22:22:08 -0500 > From: spkorb at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > For that kind of green I can get one of these: > http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/jaguar-e-type-eagle-low-drag-gt-video/ > > I think I'd prefer an XJ13 though and it probably costs about the > same. Ah the choices to be made after I'm superrich ;) I guess I'll > have both, and my bop-around Pantera, my race Pantera, my embarrass > the street crowd Pantera and the electric Pantera, of course. > > sean > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm > > not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to > > have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out > > of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think > > you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows > > what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done > > very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off > > hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name > > escapes me. > > > > Boyd > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[2]gaino at earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > Money Pitt! > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > > >To: detomaso at poca.com > > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and > > Coffee in > > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between > > American > > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice > > people. > > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, > > said he > > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was > > tight. > > [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= > > ts&fref=ts > > If you want it slick. [4]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > > 2. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net > > 3. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts > > 4. http://www.slickpaint.com/ > > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Although I grew up in the 50's when the Corvette was THE car, the XKE had to be the car that made men (and boys) weep! Unbelievably beautiful. Of course, those old Bugattis, etc., etc., etc., in the 20s/30s were/are still ----BILL Lewis > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 22:22:08 -0500 > From: spkorb at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > For that kind of green I can get one of these: > http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/jaguar-e-type-eagle-low-drag-gt-vide o/ > > I think I'd prefer an XJ13 though and it probably costs about the > same. Ah the choices to be made after I'm superrich ;) I guess I'll > have both, and my bop-around Pantera, my race Pantera, my embarrass > the street crowd Pantera and the electric Pantera, of course. > > sean > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm > > not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to > > have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out > > of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think > > you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows > > what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done > > very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off > > hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name > > escapes me. > > > > Boyd > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[2]gaino at earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > Money Pitt! > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > > >To: detomaso at poca.com > > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and > > Coffee in > > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between > > American > > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice > > people. > > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, > > said he > > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was > > tight. > > [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= > > ts&fref=ts > > If you want it slick. [4]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > > 2. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net > > 3. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre f=ts > > 4. http://www.slickpaint.com/ > > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From knottsj at galstar.com Sun Mar 2 00:03:52 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5312BBB8.8050601@galstar.com> The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOAT-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? jerry On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > They have a Euro style setup. > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > Hi folks, > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > time I drive. > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > Does anyone know the part I need? > Thanks, > Chris > Sent from my Windows Phone > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sun Mar 2 02:03:15 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:15 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: <5312BBB8.8050601@galstar.com> References: , , <5312BBB8.8050601@galstar.com> Message-ID: It looks like the male end is a lot thinner and smaller than mine (no anatomy jokes...!) so I don't think the female receptacle would work with my current belt. Chris > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 > From: knottsj at galstar.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > > The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOAT-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? > > jerry > > > On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > > > They have a Euro style setup. > > > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > > time I drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- It looks like the male end is a lot thinner and smaller than mine (no anatomy jokes...!) so I don't think the female receptacle would work with my current belt. Chris > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 > From: knottsj at galstar.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > > The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA T-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? > > jerry > > > On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > > > They have a Euro style setup. > > > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > > time I drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From charlesmccall at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 03:25:27 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:25:27 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Double messages In-Reply-To: <724978631-1393717025-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-623082301-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <8D103BD17989791-1CE4-12132@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> <724978631-1393717025-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-623082301-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <03a601cf35f0$f8636380$e92a2a80$@gmail.com> No double messages here either. None. None. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Moore Sent: domingo, 2 de marzo de 2014 0:37 To: Larry Finch; DeTomaso; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Double messages No double double here. But I'm not on AOL. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: Larry Finch Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:28:31 To: Subject: [DeTomaso] Double messages _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From thomas at hax.se Sun Mar 2 05:40:56 2014 From: thomas at hax.se (thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:40:56 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Lambo parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Arjun! Eurospares uk seems like a good place to get the parts. No hassle with customs or tax either as it is within the EU. Thomas > 1 mar 2014 kl. 20:51 skrev Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar : > > Ricambi America and Eurospares are your best bets. I've bought from both and prices are way more reasonable than at a main dealer. Also look up the parts cross reference on Lamboweb and Lambopower. You can get the same parts for a lot cheaper when you're not buying a "lambo" parts. > >> On Mar 1, 2014 1:22 PM, "thomas" wrote: >> Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? >> >> My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. >> >> Thomas >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > !DSPAM:53123a4f13405021468! -------------- next part -------------- Thanks Arjun! Eurospares uk seems like a good place to get the parts. No hassle with customs or tax either as it is within the EU. Thomas 1 mar 2014 kl. 20:51 skrev Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar <[1]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com>: Ricambi America and Eurospares are your best bets. I've bought from both and prices are way more reasonable than at a main dealer. Also look up the parts cross reference on Lamboweb and Lambopower. You can get the same parts for a lot cheaper when you're not buying a "lambo" parts. On Mar 1, 2014 1:22 PM, "thomas" <[2]thomas at hax.se> wrote: Anyone know where to get a set of rear lights for a 2007 Murcielago LP640 at a fair price? My cousin has just bought a new toy and it seems that someone smashed the lights for the previous owner. Perhaps the fact that it is a Greek car has something to do with that. Thomas _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com !DSPAM:53123a4f13405021468! References 1. mailto:arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com 2. mailto:thomas at hax.se 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gaino at earthlink.net Sun Mar 2 11:02:11 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:02:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] Colotti 4 speed Message-ID: <3584645.1393776131750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184930&utm_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S147.1 I never heard of a Colloti 4 speed? https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 2 12:41:43 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:41:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Colotti 4 speed Message-ID: In a message dated 3/2/14 8 03 21, gaino at earthlink.net writes: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184930& > utm_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S147.1?? I never heard of a > Colloti 4 speed? > >>>That was the Achilles heel of the original GT40. The GT40 was built in a hurry, and at the time the only available gearbox that would seem to do the job was an Italian four-speed. It quickly showed that it was not up to the task, and Ford arranged for ZF in Germany to design and build an all-new purpose-built gearbox for the GT40. The thing is, there was a bureaucratic hangup, and the contract was never finalized but Ford apparently didn't know it. So seven months went by, and Ford finally asked, "Where are our gearboxes" and ZF's reply was "What gearboxes? You never actually placed the order?" Or something like that. So the cars had to suffer even longer with the woeful Colotti unit. Once the ZFs arrived, there was no looking back. The small-block cars would often fail to finish races due to head gasket failure; it took years for Ford to crack that nut. In the interim they shifted gears (figuratively speaking) and went for a big-block 427 solution. They believed the ZF was incapable of handling the torque, and so they designed and built their own four-speed transaxle (made by Kar Kraft), which utilized standard Ford toploader four-speed gearbox internals. Ironically, due to improper heat treatment of some gears, initially the Kar Kraft gearboxes failed and put the cars out. But once that minor niggle was sorted, they became unbeatable. Which is why the rules were changed to simply outlaw large displacement, which effectively outlawed the GT40. Who would have guessed that Ford (well, actually Ford was pretty much out of the GT40 business by then, and it was really John Wyer Associates, JWA) then would have spiffed up the by-now-old and always-overweight GT40, fit it with wider wheels and bigger brakes, and a more thoroughly developed 302 engine, and go on to win for two more years? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/2/14 8 03 21, gaino at earthlink.net writes: http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184930&ut m_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S147.1 I never heard of a Colloti 4 speed? >>>That was the Achilles heel of the original GT40. The GT40 was built in a hurry, and at the time the only available gearbox that would seem to do the job was an Italian four-speed. It quickly showed that it was not up to the task, and Ford arranged for ZF in Germany to design and build an all-new purpose-built gearbox for the GT40. The thing is, there was a bureaucratic hangup, and the contract was never finalized but Ford apparently didn't know it. So seven months went by, and Ford finally asked, "Where are our gearboxes" and ZF's reply was "What gearboxes? You never actually placed the order?" Or something like that. So the cars had to suffer even longer with the woeful Colotti unit. Once the ZFs arrived, there was no looking back. The small-block cars would often fail to finish races due to head gasket failure; it took years for Ford to crack that nut. In the interim they shifted gears (figuratively speaking) and went for a big-block 427 solution. They believed the ZF was incapable of handling the torque, and so they designed and built their own four-speed transaxle (made by Kar Kraft), which utilized standard Ford toploader four-speed gearbox internals. Ironically, due to improper heat treatment of some gears, initially the Kar Kraft gearboxes failed and put the cars out. But once that minor niggle was sorted, they became unbeatable. Which is why the rules were changed to simply outlaw large displacement, which effectively outlawed the GT40. Who would have guessed that Ford (well, actually Ford was pretty much out of the GT40 business by then, and it was really John Wyer Associates, JWA) then would have spiffed up the by-now-old and always-overweight GT40, fit it with wider wheels and bigger brakes, and a more thoroughly developed 302 engine, and go on to win for two more years? Mike From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 13:55:23 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> Message-ID: <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members of POCA. Mike -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM To: List DeTomaso Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting Connected Cars Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture released in December. (vomiting in my lunch) dave _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tipo874a at msn.com Sun Mar 2 14:12:54 2014 From: tipo874a at msn.com (L GRAY) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:12:54 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Colotti 4 speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm about to open up a Colotti gear box in the next month or so to inspect it for a client. The thing is actually much larger the the -0 ZF and the -2 we are familiar with. In the John Wyer Racing program they actually were running 351 Windsor engines near the end of the program. I'm working on the gearboxes for one of the Shelby built open top GT that currently has an Indy V-8 and a dash "0" box in it -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Attachment-1.png Type: image/png Size: 114555 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Leslie A. Gray > On Mar 2, 2014, at 10:42 AM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/2/14 8 03 21, gaino at earthlink.net writes: > > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184930&ut > m_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S147.1 I never > heard of a Colloti 4 speed? > >>>> That was the Achilles heel of the original GT40. > The GT40 was built in a hurry, and at the time the only available > gearbox that would seem to do the job was an Italian four-speed. It > quickly showed that it was not up to the task, and Ford arranged for ZF > in Germany to design and build an all-new purpose-built gearbox for the > GT40. The thing is, there was a bureaucratic hangup, and the contract > was never finalized but Ford apparently didn't know it. So seven > months went by, and Ford finally asked, "Where are our gearboxes" and > ZF's reply was "What gearboxes? You never actually placed the order?" > Or something like that. > So the cars had to suffer even longer with the woeful Colotti unit. > Once the ZFs arrived, there was no looking back. > The small-block cars would often fail to finish races due to head > gasket failure; it took years for Ford to crack that nut. In the > interim they shifted gears (figuratively speaking) and went for a > big-block 427 solution. They believed the ZF was incapable of handling > the torque, and so they designed and built their own four-speed > transaxle (made by Kar Kraft), which utilized standard Ford toploader > four-speed gearbox internals. > Ironically, due to improper heat treatment of some gears, initially the > Kar Kraft gearboxes failed and put the cars out. But once that minor > niggle was sorted, they became unbeatable. Which is why the rules were > changed to simply outlaw large displacement, which effectively outlawed > the GT40. > Who would have guessed that Ford (well, actually Ford was pretty much > out of the GT40 business by then, and it was really John Wyer > Associates, JWA) then would have spiffed up the by-now-old and > always-overweight GT40, fit it with wider wheels and bigger brakes, and > a more thoroughly developed 302 engine, and go on to win for two more > years? > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tipo874a at msn.com Sun Mar 2 14:16:03 2014 From: tipo874a at msn.com (L GRAY) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:16:03 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Colotti 4 speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok , my iPhone just went nuts and included Mikes picture of Pantera SI suspension for some reason !!! Any way, the open top car has the Indy V-8 with 48IDA Weber carbs on it. I'll try to get some pics next week. Leslie A. Gray > On Mar 2, 2014, at 10:42 AM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/2/14 8 03 21, gaino at earthlink.net writes: > > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184930&ut > m_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S147.1 I never > heard of a Colloti 4 speed? > >>>> That was the Achilles heel of the original GT40. > The GT40 was built in a hurry, and at the time the only available > gearbox that would seem to do the job was an Italian four-speed. It > quickly showed that it was not up to the task, and Ford arranged for ZF > in Germany to design and build an all-new purpose-built gearbox for the > GT40. The thing is, there was a bureaucratic hangup, and the contract > was never finalized but Ford apparently didn't know it. So seven > months went by, and Ford finally asked, "Where are our gearboxes" and > ZF's reply was "What gearboxes? You never actually placed the order?" > Or something like that. > So the cars had to suffer even longer with the woeful Colotti unit. > Once the ZFs arrived, there was no looking back. > The small-block cars would often fail to finish races due to head > gasket failure; it took years for Ford to crack that nut. In the > interim they shifted gears (figuratively speaking) and went for a > big-block 427 solution. They believed the ZF was incapable of handling > the torque, and so they designed and built their own four-speed > transaxle (made by Kar Kraft), which utilized standard Ford toploader > four-speed gearbox internals. > Ironically, due to improper heat treatment of some gears, initially the > Kar Kraft gearboxes failed and put the cars out. But once that minor > niggle was sorted, they became unbeatable. Which is why the rules were > changed to simply outlaw large displacement, which effectively outlawed > the GT40. > Who would have guessed that Ford (well, actually Ford was pretty much > out of the GT40 business by then, and it was really John Wyer > Associates, JWA) then would have spiffed up the by-now-old and > always-overweight GT40, fit it with wider wheels and bigger brakes, and > a more thoroughly developed 302 engine, and go on to win for two more > years? > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 14:36:32 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:36:32 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <004701cf34af$4fd56520$ef802f60$@gmail.com> References: <000f01cf3410$b9989760$2cc9c620$@montanas.com> <004701cf34af$4fd56520$ef802f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03b201cf364e$b7d28590$277790b0$@comcast.net> Gary Herrig, member of Panteras Northwest, had one of the two Pavesi targas to reach the US for about three years. I wrote the Profiles article for him, and while he had the motor out and interior stripped, counted no less than 38 pieces of structural steel added to the car to add stiffness, the most substantial of which were two 3/8" by 6" steel plates that ran the length of the rocker, and actually extended at least an inch below the bottom of the stock rocker, making speed bumps a bitch on a car already that low. I can only guess how much weight all that steel added to the car. I only recall bits and pieces, but it seems there was something about the specs and plans coming with the car when it first came to the country, but being purloined for a substantial sum by Gary Hall, who eventually used some version to create his purple targa. Please, fill in the blanks as you wish. I do recall reading that the whereabouts of the plans were unknown at that time, and no idea if they've surfaced since. Looking at the underside of Gary's car, I often wondered if some kind of angled piece, rather than the flat one that ended up sticking down below the car, could have been fashioned to provide the same strength. It certainly didn't add to the looks of the car. Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:03 AM To: montana at montanas.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 Hi Ken The conversions carried out by the DeTomaso Factory were done by a shop called Pavesi, in Milan, Italy. These were done in the 70's and 80's, and I don't know if the company is still around, and I am not aware of them having done any conversions for private customers. The amount of reinforcing done to perform the conversion makes it somewhat impractical for a finished car - there is tons of steel reinforcing welded in and you need to completely strip the car. Hall Pantera did several targas, and the word on the street is that they were so labor intensive that Gary Hall said he'd never do any more. Gary Hall passed away a few years ago. This is a really big and expensive undertaking. You would no doubt be money ahead buying a car already converted, if you could find one. They are out there. As a coincidence, I was reading a POCA profiles from 2003 last night before going to bed. A Pavesi conversion GT5-S was sold in 2003 for $42k, if I remember correctly, which has to be the all-time steal of the century -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Montana at montanas.com Sent: viernes, 28 de febrero de 2014 0:08 To: detomaso at poca.com Cc: Montana - FILE COPY Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 2/27/14 All, I own an Amerisport GT5-S titled as a 1997 / VIN #: A9PN8740HD111017 I am requesting any information available about the "Targa" conversion. Thanks, Ken Montana Biloxi, MS 228-832-1313 / montana at montanas.com -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of detomaso-request at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:00 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Si hub carrier - retrofit? (Julian Kift) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:05:51 -0800 From: Julian Kift To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" , Charles McCall Cc: De Tomaso List , Mike Thomas Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The name Olaf Roks rings a bell, didn't he come over to teh US and view some Pantera's for himself? Simon sent me a photo yesterday of his Lamborghinin Dianblo SV loaded on a trailer and headed off for sale! Julian > CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:51:47 -0800 > To: charlesmccall at gmail.com > > Charlie, > > Simon has a whole pile of Panteras. :) > > He has two of the 12 GT5-S Pavesi Targas. You saw the white one at Spa. His red one was modified by a prior owner with Si-look front and rear bodywork, so he is continuing the conversion by fitting Si suspension, brakes and wheels. > > I was wrong--the parts didn't come off the wrecked car, they were just > De Tomaso spares. > > Simon also has a black Si that was also at Spa. > > He used to own the gold Si targa that we saw at Le Mans. He sold that > to his friend Alexander Oet. Alexander actually owned it when we saw it. Simon was driving his Iso Grifo, the orange one that was parked in the De Tomaso enclosure. > > Simon bought a yellow Pantera L in Arizona while attending the fun > rally, but he has already sold that to a guy named Olaf Roks. Simon also recently completed the ground up restoration of a yellow Mangusta. He just bought an ERA GT40 last week and is looking for a Longchamp. > > Yeah, his life sucks! :) > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:23, Charles McCall wrote: > > > Simon has a white (86?) GT5-S Pavesi, and a gold SI Pavesi, right? > > The Gold > > Si is a conversion and isn't one of the 4 Pavesi Sis? Or has the > > white car > > been converted "under the skin"? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > > Julian Kift > > Sent: lunes, 24 de febrero de 2014 18:52 > > To: Mike Thomas; MikeLDrew at aol.com; De Tomaso List > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? > > > > I think that answer is yes, as long as you have an earlier wide body car. > > Simon Vels has a GT5S Pavesi Targa converted to Si specs, he said > > the a-arms > > fit, but shocks and sway bar need to be the earlier GT5S (same as > > std > > Panetra) varaints, not Si. > > > > The a-arms wouldn't be hard to fabricate (and potentially cheaper) > > if you > > could get ahold of the hubs. the question is were they unique to the > > Si or > > borrowed from some other vehicle? > > > > Julian > > > >> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com > >> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:35:08 -0800 > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? > >> > >> So, if you were to go to a wheel with the appropriate offset, could these > > A > >> arms/rear hub carrier be used on an earlier car? Not cheap, > >> granted, but > > I > >> would suspect a significant improvement in handling with the longer > > radius. > >> > >> Mike Thomas > >> VP, POCA > >> VP, Panteras Northwest > >> Yellow '74 #6328 > >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 14:42:22 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:42:22 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <004701cf34af$4fd56520$ef802f60$@gmail.com> References: <000f01cf3410$b9989760$2cc9c620$@montanas.com> <004701cf34af$4fd56520$ef802f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03b401cf364f$87f6d2d0$97e47870$@comcast.net> That was Gary Herrig who bought the car in Florida from an exotics rental car company, and had basically put it to pasture not knowing what they had. It was painted that gawd-awful mystique shifting-color paint at the time. After painting and a new interior, he sold it a couple years later for something in the $65K range, still a huge deal to its current owner (I think in New York state), who had tracked the car since it came to the US, and as soon as it surfaced in Gary's hands, contacted him with interest to buy when he was ready. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:03 AM To: montana at montanas.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 Hi Ken The conversions carried out by the DeTomaso Factory were done by a shop called Pavesi, in Milan, Italy. These were done in the 70's and 80's, and I don't know if the company is still around, and I am not aware of them having done any conversions for private customers. The amount of reinforcing done to perform the conversion makes it somewhat impractical for a finished car - there is tons of steel reinforcing welded in and you need to completely strip the car. Hall Pantera did several targas, and the word on the street is that they were so labor intensive that Gary Hall said he'd never do any more. Gary Hall passed away a few years ago. This is a really big and expensive undertaking. You would no doubt be money ahead buying a car already converted, if you could find one. They are out there. As a coincidence, I was reading a POCA profiles from 2003 last night before going to bed. A Pavesi conversion GT5-S was sold in 2003 for $42k, if I remember correctly, which has to be the all-time steal of the century -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Montana at montanas.com Sent: viernes, 28 de febrero de 2014 0:08 To: detomaso at poca.com Cc: Montana - FILE COPY Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 2/27/14 All, I own an Amerisport GT5-S titled as a 1997 / VIN #: A9PN8740HD111017 I am requesting any information available about the "Targa" conversion. Thanks, Ken Montana Biloxi, MS 228-832-1313 / montana at montanas.com -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of detomaso-request at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:00 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Si hub carrier - retrofit? (Julian Kift) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:05:51 -0800 From: Julian Kift To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" , Charles McCall Cc: De Tomaso List , Mike Thomas Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The name Olaf Roks rings a bell, didn't he come over to teh US and view some Pantera's for himself? Simon sent me a photo yesterday of his Lamborghinin Dianblo SV loaded on a trailer and headed off for sale! Julian > CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:51:47 -0800 > To: charlesmccall at gmail.com > > Charlie, > > Simon has a whole pile of Panteras. :) > > He has two of the 12 GT5-S Pavesi Targas. You saw the white one at Spa. His red one was modified by a prior owner with Si-look front and rear bodywork, so he is continuing the conversion by fitting Si suspension, brakes and wheels. > > I was wrong--the parts didn't come off the wrecked car, they were just > De Tomaso spares. > > Simon also has a black Si that was also at Spa. > > He used to own the gold Si targa that we saw at Le Mans. He sold that > to his friend Alexander Oet. Alexander actually owned it when we saw it. Simon was driving his Iso Grifo, the orange one that was parked in the De Tomaso enclosure. > > Simon bought a yellow Pantera L in Arizona while attending the fun > rally, but he has already sold that to a guy named Olaf Roks. Simon also recently completed the ground up restoration of a yellow Mangusta. He just bought an ERA GT40 last week and is looking for a Longchamp. > > Yeah, his life sucks! :) > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:23, Charles McCall wrote: > > > Simon has a white (86?) GT5-S Pavesi, and a gold SI Pavesi, right? > > The Gold > > Si is a conversion and isn't one of the 4 Pavesi Sis? Or has the > > white car > > been converted "under the skin"? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > > Julian Kift > > Sent: lunes, 24 de febrero de 2014 18:52 > > To: Mike Thomas; MikeLDrew at aol.com; De Tomaso List > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? > > > > I think that answer is yes, as long as you have an earlier wide body car. > > Simon Vels has a GT5S Pavesi Targa converted to Si specs, he said > > the a-arms > > fit, but shocks and sway bar need to be the earlier GT5S (same as > > std > > Panetra) varaints, not Si. > > > > The a-arms wouldn't be hard to fabricate (and potentially cheaper) > > if you > > could get ahold of the hubs. the question is were they unique to the > > Si or > > borrowed from some other vehicle? > > > > Julian > > > >> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com > >> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:35:08 -0800 > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Si hub carrier - retrofit? > >> > >> So, if you were to go to a wheel with the appropriate offset, could these > > A > >> arms/rear hub carrier be used on an earlier car? Not cheap, > >> granted, but > > I > >> would suspect a significant improvement in handling with the longer > > radius. > >> > >> Mike Thomas > >> VP, POCA > >> VP, Panteras Northwest > >> Yellow '74 #6328 > >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 14:52:58 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:52:58 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt receptacle Message-ID: <03b501cf3651$031eba30$095c2e90$@comcast.net> Chris, SOBill Taylor sent me this link when I was asking about belts a while ago. The receptacle ends look to be on a stiff stalk. Mike http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:41 PM To: 'Pantera list serve' Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone From charlesmccall at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 15:02:11 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:02:11 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <03b201cf364e$b7d28590$277790b0$@comcast.net> References: <000f01cf3410$b9989760$2cc9c620$@montanas.com> <004701cf34af$4fd56520$ef802f60$@gmail.com> <03b201cf364e$b7d28590$277790b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <054401cf3652$4d773570$e865a050$@gmail.com> ----Original Message----- From: Mike Thomas [mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net] Sent: domingo, 2 de marzo de 2014 20:37 To: 'Charles McCall'; montana at montanas.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] GT5-S Targa Info Request of 2/7/14 - RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 Gary Herrig, member of Panteras Northwest, had one of the two Pavesi targas to reach the US for about three years. I wrote the Profiles article for him, ***That was the article that I was reading this weekend... From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 16:06:42 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:06:42 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... References: Message-ID: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Now THIS is called teamwork! http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI -------------- next part -------------- Now THIS is called teamwork! [1]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI References 1. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sun Mar 2 16:12:24 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:12:24 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com>, <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike, You specifically say younger members to POCA, are you referring to attracting members to POCA because of antiquated technology i.e. e-mail list vs. a forum? Or that young people aren't buying Pantera's because the cars are antiquated technology? Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: davel at emspace.com; Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Mike, You specifically say younger members to POCA, are you referring to attracting members to POCA because of antiquated technology i.e. e-mail list vs. a forum? Or that young people aren't buying Pantera's because the cars are antiquated technology? Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: davel at emspace.com; Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 16:45:45 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: <16119305.1393692526331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around $250K. As far as an XJ13 you can only get a replica. there is only one real one and jaguar owns it and their not selling. RCR makes an XJ-13 replica (in Fiberglas) but hey have an associate in the UK who can make it into an aluminum bodied car (for $200K give or take. I had an NSX which I wrecked at 150 MPH ( didn't get a scratch) great car will get another one some day. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > Although I grew up in the 50's when the Corvette was THE car, the XKE > had to be the car that made men (and boys) weep! Unbelievably > beautiful. Of course, those old Bugattis, etc., etc., etc., in the > 20s/30s were/are still ----BILL Lewis > > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 22:22:08 -0500 > > From: spkorb at gmail.com > > To: detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > For that kind of green I can get one of these: > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/jaguar-e-type-eagle-low-drag-gt-vide > o/ > > > > I think I'd prefer an XJ13 though and it probably costs about the > > same. Ah the choices to be made after I'm superrich ;) I guess I'll > > have both, and my bop-around Pantera, my race Pantera, my embarrass > > the street crowd Pantera and the electric Pantera, of course. > > > > sean > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > > It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm > > > not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to > > > have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out > > > of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think > > > you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who > knows > > > what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have > done > > > very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off > > > hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name > > > escapes me. > > > > > > Boyd > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[2]gaino at earthlink.net> > wrote: > > > > > > Money Pitt! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > > > >To: detomaso at poca.com > > > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and > > > Coffee in > > > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between > > > American > > > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice > > > people. > > > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, > > > said he > > > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was > > > tight. > > > > [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= > > > ts&fref=ts > > > If you want it slick. [4]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > References > > > > > > 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > > > 2. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net > > > 3. > https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre > f=ts > > > 4. http://www.slickpaint.com/ > > > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around $250K. As far as an XJ13 you can only get a replica. there is only one real one and jaguar owns it and their not selling. RCR makes an XJ-13 replica (in Fiberglas) but hey have an associate in the UK who can make it into an aluminum bodied car (for $200K give or take. I had an NSX which I wrecked at 150 MPH ( didn't get a scratch) great car will get another one some day. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: Although I grew up in the 50's when the Corvette was THE car, the XKE had to be the car that made men (and boys) weep! Unbelievably beautiful. Of course, those old Bugattis, etc., etc., etc., in the 20s/30s were/are still ----BILL Lewis > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 22:22:08 -0500 > From: [2]spkorb at gmail.com > To: [3]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > For that kind of green I can get one of these: > [4]http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/jaguar-e-type-eagle-low-drag-gt-v ide o/ > > I think I'd prefer an XJ13 though and it probably costs about the > same. Ah the choices to be made after I'm superrich ;) I guess I'll > have both, and my bop-around Pantera, my race Pantera, my embarrass > the street crowd Pantera and the electric Pantera, of course. > > sean > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's the Toyota 2000 GT, a 67 sold for $650,000 > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Boyd Casey <[1][6]boyd411 at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Isn't there a story about making a silk purse from a sow's ear? I'm > > not saying a GTR is a"sow's ear" but. I certainly wouldn't want to > > have $250k in one no matter how many horses they could squeeze out > > of it's 6 cylinders. In the long run if it hasn't grenaded I think > > you might get back whatever a stock GTR will be worth, and who knows > > what that might be. Ther aren't to many Japanese cars that have done > > very well in the resale market. The only one I can think of off > > hand that has really appreciated is that old Toyota who's name > > escapes me. > > > > Boyd > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, bill gaino <[2][7]gaino at earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > Money Pitt! > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: "[8]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[9]michael at michaelshortt.com> > > >Sent: Mar 1, 2014 10:59 AM > > >To: [10]detomaso at poca.com > > >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. > > > > > > We have established the beginnings of a once a month Cars and > > Coffee in > > > Savannah, today was the first one. > > > About 50-60 cars between 7 & 9, evenly split between between > > American > > > Muscle, Euro and Ricers. Very diverse group of really nice > > people. > > > One guy had a GTR, AWD with 1,300 hp. Very understated car, > > said he > > > had $250,000 in it. Personally I don't get it, but the car was > > tight. > > [3][11]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref = > > ts&fref=ts > > If you want it slick. [4][12]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [13]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [5][14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:[15]boyd411 at gmail.com > > 2. mailto:[16]gaino at earthlink.net > > 3. [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts &fre f=ts > > 4. [18]http://www.slickpaint.com/ > > 5. [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [20]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > -- > Sean Korb [22]spkorb at spkorb.org [23]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [24]DeTomaso at poca.com > [25]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [26]DeTomaso at poca.com [27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/jaguar-e-type-eagle-low-drag-gt-vide 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 7. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref= 12. http://www.slickpaint.com/ 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 16. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre 18. http://www.slickpaint.com/ 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 23. http://www.spkorb.org/ 24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 16:50:13 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:50:13 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> References: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> Message-ID: And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango wrote: > "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register > the > car in the USA" > > > > Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport > VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or > a Detomaso VIN? > > > > It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, > including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various > reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." > > > > OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . > > > > David in Durango > > if ifs and buts were candy and nuts > we'd all have a happy Christmas > > > > > > > > [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1]adin at frontier.net> wrote: "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:adin at frontier.net 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bill at incendium.com Sun Mar 2 16:50:49 2014 From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:50:49 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> , <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2012905128-1393797049-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1231557866-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Ouch ! Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:12:24 To: Mike Thomas; 'dave londry'; De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jderyke at aol.com Sun Mar 2 17:00:04 2014 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:00:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: References: , , <5312BBB8.8050601@galstar.com> Message-ID: <8D10479E67D07FB-18E8-17341@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> That was a Newsletter article quite a few years ago. and I used cut-down plastic stiffening sleeves from the front seats of an '87 Ford crew-cab pickup. The buckle-half belts are 2X too long to work in a Pantera. Compatible stalk-type buckle supports were uncommon in my Pick N Pull. Sleeves from mid-'80s Buicks also work. Note also that the entire buckle half from the occasional back seats of same Ford pickup are the right length belt & will engage & lock onto Pantera male belt ends, but do not have stiffener sleeves. So you must mix-&-match. Most junkyard buckles will be shiny polished metal, not black leatherette. Do NOT try powder coating shiny buckles- the curing heat will weaken the belt fabric which is not removable. If you go to a wrecking yard for seat belts, take a large Torx socket & ratchet since the round-head Torx fastener bolt is VERY tight in the floor and you won't be able to loosen it with pliers or other such tools. Also note- the Torx screw will thread into your Pantera recepticle as they're the same metric thread as the stock hex-bolt. The only advantage of stiif buckle-end belt supports is, you can (with practice) simply poke the belt end(s) down toward the stiff part without looking or using two hands. Handy if you're in a hurry, or in LeMans starts.... J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Kimball To: Jerry Knotts ; Pantera list serve Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals It looks like the male end is a lot thinner and smaller than mine (no anatomy jokes...!) so I don't think the female receptacle would work with my current belt. Chris > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 > From: knottsj at galstar.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > > The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA T-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? > > jerry > > > On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > > > They have a Euro style setup. > > > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > > time I drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- That was a Newsletter article quite a few years ago. and I used cut-down plastic stiffening sleeves from the front seats of an '87 Ford crew-cab pickup. The buckle-half belts are 2X too long to work in a Pantera. Compatible stalk-type buckle supports were uncommon in my Pick N Pull. Sleeves from mid-'80s Buicks also work. Note also that the entire buckle half from the occasional back seats of same Ford pickup are the right length belt & will engage & lock onto Pantera male belt ends, but do not have stiffener sleeves. So you must mix-&-match. Most junkyard buckles will be shiny polished metal, not black leatherette. Do NOT try powder coating shiny buckles- the curing heat will weaken the belt fabric which is not removable. If you go to a wrecking yard for seat belts, take a large Torx socket & ratchet since the round-head Torx fastener bolt is VERY tight in the floor and you won't be able to loosen it with pliers or other such tools. Also note- the Torx screw will thread into your Pantera recepticle as they're the same metric thread as the stock hex-bolt. The only advantage of stiif buckle-end belt supports is, you can (with practice) simply poke the belt end(s) down toward the stiff part without looking or using two hands. Handy if you're in a hurry, or in LeMans starts.... J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Kimball To: Jerry Knotts ; Pantera list serve Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals It looks like the male end is a lot thinner and smaller than mine (no anatomy jokes...!) so I don't think the female receptacle would work with my current belt. Chris > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 > From: [1]knottsj at galstar.com > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > > The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. > > [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA T-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? > > jerry > > > On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > > Never used them before but you can visit [4]http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > > > They have a Euro style setup. > > > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball <[5]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > > time I drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA 4. http://www.retrobeltusa.com/ 5. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jderyke at aol.com Sun Mar 2 17:16:16 2014 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:16:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] seat belt receptacle follow-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D1047C2A395C07-18E8-17455@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Yes. FWIW, I can also rebuild stock Pantera seat-belt buckles when (not if) the leatherette cracks from 40+ years of constant internal spring pressure. The stock design uses that little plastic part to positively retain the guts of the seat belt; its not just decorative. So when the plastic age-cracks, the buckle disassembles in your hands. My fix does not affect the latching part so safety is the same as stock. I'm wondering if the ford buckle ends to which he refers would work with the male ends in my stock '72? -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Kimball To: Pantera list serve Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 2:31 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] seat belt receptacle follow-up I just found an old email I saved from Jack DeRyke: As long as the reels and insertion-ends are OK, why not find some surplus Ford buckle-ends? I used the buckle ends from the jump-seats of an '89 Ford extended-cab pickup, and not only were they about the right length and click onto the stock belts, the screws holding them to the floor fits the Pantera, and the plastic stand-up holders from the main seats can be shortened to fit the Pantera too. The Ford buckles are plated but roughing them up and spray painting would make them almost identical to the stock plastic-buckles in appearance. Replacing the other ends is complicated due to the reels and sewn-together belt/shoulder harness in your '74. Good luck- J Deryke I'm wondering if the ford buckle ends to which he refers would work with the mal e ends in my stock '72? Chris _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Yes. FWIW, I can also rebuild stock Pantera seat-belt buckles when (not if) the leatherette cracks from 40+ years of constant internal spring pressure. The stock design uses that little plastic part to positively retain the guts of the seat belt; its not just decorative. So when the plastic age-cracks, the buckle disassembles in your hands. My fix does not affect the latching part so safety is the same as stock. I'm wondering if the ford buckle ends to which he refers would work with the mal e ends in my stock '72? -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Kimball To: Pantera list serve Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 2:31 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] seat belt receptacle follow-up I just found an old email I saved from Jack DeRyke: As long as the reels and insertion-ends are OK, why not find some surplus Ford buckle-ends? I used the buckle ends from the jump-seats of an '89 Ford extended-cab pickup, and not only were they about the right length and click onto the stock belts, the screws holding them to the floor fits the Pantera, and the plastic stand-up holders from the main seats can be shortened to fit the Pantera too. The Ford buckles are plated but roughing them up and spray painting would make them almost identical to the stock plastic-buckles in appearance. Replacing the other ends is complicated due to the reels and sewn-together belt/shoulder harness in your '74. Good luck- J Deryke I'm wondering if the ford buckle ends to which he refers would work with the mal e ends in my stock '72? Chris _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jderyke at aol.com Sun Mar 2 17:33:17 2014 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:33:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> References: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> Message-ID: <8D1047E8AA78F61-18E8-17577@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Calm down, David. The DOT simply made up more hurdles during the '80s for Amerisport to jump through, apparently for their own entertainment since they accomplished nothing else of note. Remember, those rules made Kirk Evans the 'manufacturer' of the GT5-S in the U.S so technically, those 50+ cars aren't even imports! Thus they had to meet all U.S. car building rules for the early '80s, exactly like Ford or GM. Kirk must be a very stubborn man 'cause any normal person would have told the DOT to stuff it and go make money somewhere with fewer rules. -----Original Message----- From: David in Durango To: Panteras Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:50 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Calm down, David. The DOT simply made up more hurdles during the '80s for Amerisport to jump through, apparently for their own entertainment since they accomplished nothing else of note. Remember, those rules made Kirk Evans the 'manufacturer' of the GT5-S in the U.S so technically, those 50+ cars aren't even imports! Thus they had to meet all U.S. car building rules for the early '80s, exactly like Ford or GM. Kirk must be a very stubborn man 'cause any normal person would have told the DOT to stuff it and go make money somewhere with fewer rules. -----Original Message----- From: David in Durango To: Panteras Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:50 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sun Mar 2 17:35:50 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 14:35:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals In-Reply-To: <8D10479E67D07FB-18E8-17341@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> References: , , , , <5312BBB8.8050601@galstar.com> , <8D10479E67D07FB-18E8-17341@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good info--thanks! To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals From: jderyke at aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:00:04 -0500 That was a Newsletter article quite a few years ago. and I used cut-down plastic stiffening sleeves from the front seats of an '87 Ford crew-cab pickup. The buckle-half belts are 2X too long to work in a Pantera. Compatible stalk-type buckle supports were uncommon in my Pick N Pull. Sleeves from mid-'80s Buicks also work. Note also that the entire buckle half from the occasional back seats of same Ford pickup are the right length belt & will engage & lock onto Pantera male belt ends, but do not have stiffener sleeves. So you must mix-&-match. Most junkyard buckles will be shiny polished metal, not black leatherette. Do NOT try powder coating shiny buckles- the curing heat will weaken the belt fabric which is not removable. If you go to a wrecking yard for seat belts, take a large Torx socket & ratchet since the round-head Torx fastener bolt is VERY tight in the floor and you won't be able to loosen it with pliers or other such tools. Also note- the Torx screw will thread into your Pantera recepticle as they're the same metric thread as the stock hex-bolt. The only advantage of stiif buckle-end belt supports is, you can (with practice) simply poke the belt end(s) down toward the stiff part without looking or using two hands. Handy if you're in a hurry, or in LeMans starts.... J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Kimball To: Jerry Knotts ; Pantera list serve Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals It looks like the male end is a lot thinner and smaller than mine (no anatomy jokes...!) so I don't think the female receptacle would work with my current belt. Chris > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 > From: knottsj at galstar.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > > The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA T-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? > > jerry > > > On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > > Never used them before but you can visit http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > > > They have a Euro style setup. > > > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > > time I drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Good info--thanks! __________________________________________________________________ To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals From: jderyke at aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:00:04 -0500 That was a Newsletter article quite a few years ago. and I used cut-down plastic stiffening sleeves from the front seats of an '87 Ford crew-cab pickup. The buckle-half belts are 2X too long to work in a Pantera. Compatible stalk-type buckle supports were uncommon in my Pick N Pull. Sleeves from mid-'80s Buicks also work. Note also that the entire buckle half from the occasional back seats of same Ford pickup are the right length belt & will engage & lock onto Pantera male belt ends, but do not have stiffener sleeves. So you must mix-&-match. Most junkyard buckles will be shiny polished metal, not black leatherette. Do NOT try powder coating shiny buckles- the curing heat will weaken the belt fabric which is not removable. If you go to a wrecking yard for seat belts, take a large Torx socket & ratchet since the round-head Torx fastener bolt is VERY tight in the floor and you won't be able to loosen it with pliers or other such tools. Also note- the Torx screw will thread into your Pantera recepticle as they're the same metric thread as the stock hex-bolt. The only advantage of stiif buckle-end belt supports is, you can (with practice) simply poke the belt end(s) down toward the stiff part without looking or using two hands. Handy if you're in a hurry, or in LeMans starts.... J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Kimball To: Jerry Knotts ; Pantera list serve Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals It looks like the male end is a lot thinner and smaller than mine (no anatomy jokes...!) so I don't think the female receptacle would work with my current belt. Chris > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 23:03:52 -0600 > From: [1]knottsj at galstar.com > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > > The Euro style that they list sure looks like these. > > [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA T-BUS-BRAND-NEW-UPGRADE-NOW-/221253233808? > > jerry > > > On 3/1/2014 4:13 PM, Brian wrote: > > Never used them before but you can visit [4]http://www.retrobeltusa.com > > > > They have a Euro style setup. > > > > Sent from The Republic of Texas > > > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Christopher Kimball <[5]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like > > to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on > > stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every > > time I drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with > > the stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-4X4-OFF-ROAD-BOA 4. http://www.retrobeltusa.com/ 5. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From adin at frontier.net Sun Mar 2 17:43:58 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:43:58 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: <8D1047E8AA78F61-18E8-17577@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> References: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> <8D1047E8AA78F61-18E8-17577@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <250D9655-3D48-4535-9138-259A14D5A37D@frontier.net> Hi Jack! I am plenty calm, the derisive note regarding "made up" numbers just struck me as unnecessary. I understand what Evans did and why. Does that make Evans a bad guy? Cheers, David Sent from my handheld gizmo, please forgive my typing! On Mar 2, 2014, at 3:33 PM, jderyke at aol.com wrote: Calm down, David. The DOT simply made up more hurdles during the '80s for Amerisport to jump through, apparently for their own entertainment since they accomplished nothing else of note. Remember, those rules made Kirk Evans the 'manufacturer' of the GT5-S in the U.S so technically, those 50+ cars aren't even imports! Thus they had to meet all U.S. car building rules for the early '80s, exactly like Ford or GM. Kirk must be a very stubborn man 'cause any normal person would have told the DOT to stuff it and go make money somewhere with fewer rules. -----Original Message----- From: David in Durango To: Panteras Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:50 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Hi Jack! I am plenty calm, the derisive note regarding "made up" numbers just struck me as unnecessary. I understand what Evans did and why. Does that make Evans a bad guy? Cheers, David Sent from my handheld gizmo, please forgive my typing! On Mar 2, 2014, at 3:33 PM, [1]jderyke at aol.com wrote: Calm down, David. The DOT simply made up more hurdles during the '80s for Amerisport to jump through, apparently for their own entertainment since they accomplished nothing else of note. Remember, those rules made Kirk Evans the 'manufacturer' of the GT5-S in the U.S so technically, those 50+ cars aren't even imports! Thus they had to meet all U.S. car building rules for the early '80s, exactly like Ford or GM. Kirk must be a very stubborn man 'cause any normal person would have told the DOT to stuff it and go make money somewhere with fewer rules. -----Original Message----- From: David in Durango <[2]adin at frontier.net> To: Panteras <[3]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 1, 2014 11:50 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:jderyke at aol.com 2. mailto:adin at frontier.net 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:48:07 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 22:48:07 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com>, <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: davel at emspace.com; Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: davel at emspace.com; Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:55:08 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:55:08 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Now THIS is called teamwork! > [1]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > > > As opposed to this.......... > [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > > References > > 1. http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][2]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI References 1. [4]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at poca.com [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 4. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Sun Mar 2 18:02:31 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:02:31 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here you go. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1988/HEG.htm Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 5:56 PM, "Boyd Casey" wrote: > It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a > military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their > automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I > still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the > after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so > fast it's mind boggling. > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader > <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: > > Now THIS is called teamwork! > [1][2]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > As opposed to this.......... > [2][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > References > 1. [4]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 2. [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com > 2. http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > 4. http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Here you go. [1]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1988/HEG.htm Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 5:56 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[1][3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][2][4]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][3][5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI References 1. [4][6]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [5][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [6][8]DeTomaso at poca.com [7][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[10]kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. [11]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 3. [12]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 4. [13]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 5. [14]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 6. mailto:[15]DeTomaso at poca.com 7. [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1988/HEG.htm 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 4. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 6. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 11. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 13. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 18:10:24 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:10:24 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to > be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. > Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? > It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever > that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same > thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and > obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be > alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. > ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: davel at emspace.com; Detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger > members > > of POCA. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave > londry > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > > To: List DeTomaso > > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > > > > Connected Cars > > > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are > increasingly > > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the > top > > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 > percent > > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures > such > > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm > Accenture > > released in December. > > > > (vomiting in my lunch) > > dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > From: [2]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [3]davel at emspace.com; [4]Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. mailto:davel at emspace.com 4. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Sun Mar 2 18:16:55 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:16:55 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: My fear ( one of many ) is that they could use this technology against us by knowing what we are doing and what we may have done. Theoretically, if my Pantera were a new car and so equipped, I could have potentially had a knock on my door this morning to haul my ass off to jail for some alleged speeding in excess of 130 mph yesterday. Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 6:11 PM, "Boyd Casey" wrote: > The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent > years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, > George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the > digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and > bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical > nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every > subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was > presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer > processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), > the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is > very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice > to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets > received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove > it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to > catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have > to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times > seem to > be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. > Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture > findings? > It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth > (whatever > that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the > same > thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and > obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting > to be > alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had > been. > ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > > > From: [2]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: [3]davel at emspace.com; [4]Detomaso at poca.com > > > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting > younger > members > > of POCA. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > dave > londry > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > > To: List DeTomaso > > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > > > > Connected Cars > > > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are > increasingly > > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the > top > > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the > 14 > percent > > who say their first consideration is traditional performance > measures > such > > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm > Accenture > > released in December. > > > > (vomiting in my lunch) > > dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 3. mailto:davel at emspace.com > 4. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- My fear ( one of many ) is that they could use this technology against us by knowing what we are doing and what we may have done. Theoretically, if my Pantera were a new car and so equipped, I could have potentially had a knock on my door this morning to haul my ass off to jail for some alleged speeding in excess of 130 mph yesterday. Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 6:11 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1][2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > From: [2][3]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [3][4]davel at emspace.com; [4][5]Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [6][7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [7][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8][9]DeTomaso at poca.com > [9][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][11]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[13]lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:[14]mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. mailto:[15]davel at emspace.com 4. mailto:[16]Detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:[18]DeTomaso at poca.com 7. 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[23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [24]DeTomaso at poca.com [25]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. mailto:davel at emspace.com 5. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 14. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 15. mailto:davel at emspace.com 16. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 2 18:22:09 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 23:22:09 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey > Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: Kirby Schrader > Cc: Detomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader >wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI References 1. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: Kirby Schrader <[3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso List <[4]DeTomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][6]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI References 1. [8]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 6. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 8. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 2 19:20:04 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:20:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? Message-ID: <5ef17.48bb4f7b.404524b3@aol.com> In a message dated 3/2/14 14 45 15, adin at frontier.net writes: > > I am plenty calm, the derisive note regarding "made up" numbers just > struck me as unnecessary. I understand what Evans did and why. Does that make > Evans a bad guy? > >>>The only person here deriding Kirk's noble effort appears to be you? There are 'some people' out there who continue to insist that the Amerisport Panteras are not 'real' Panteras, and instead are some sort of glorified kit cars. Referring to them by their Amerisport VIN instead of their De Tomaso VIN is an insult, one which perpetuates that myth and robs them of their well-deserved true identity as De Tomaso cars. All Amerisport cars were made in Italy by De Tomaso and equipped with De Tomaso VINS; they were 'completed' here by Kirk, by the installation of the drivetrain and emissions gear, and technically, that meant they were considered to be manufactured here. Due to stupid bureaucracy in the USA, the government refused to acknowledge the De Tomaso VINS the cars wore (our laws had changed and required more characters than had been used previously), and so the DOT made up rather arbitrary new ones for Amerisport to use, which unfortunately have no relationship to the De Tomaso VIN. That doesn't change the true identity of an Amerisport-sourced car, or make it any less of a genuine De Tomaso Pantera, despite what some may suggest. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/2/14 14 45 15, adin at frontier.net writes: I am plenty calm, the derisive note regarding "made up" numbers just struck me as unnecessary. I understand what Evans did and why. Does that make Evans a bad guy? >>>The only person here deriding Kirk's noble effort appears to be you? There are 'some people' out there who continue to insist that the Amerisport Panteras are not 'real' Panteras, and instead are some sort of glorified kit cars. Referring to them by their Amerisport VIN instead of their De Tomaso VIN is an insult, one which perpetuates that myth and robs them of their well-deserved true identity as De Tomaso cars. All Amerisport cars were made in Italy by De Tomaso and equipped with De Tomaso VINS; they were 'completed' here by Kirk, by the installation of the drivetrain and emissions gear, and technically, that meant they were considered to be manufactured here. Due to stupid bureaucracy in the USA, the government refused to acknowledge the De Tomaso VINS the cars wore (our laws had changed and required more characters than had been used previously), and so the DOT made up rather arbitrary new ones for Amerisport to use, which unfortunately have no relationship to the De Tomaso VIN. That doesn't change the true identity of an Amerisport-sourced car, or make it any less of a genuine De Tomaso Pantera, despite what some may suggest. Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 2 19:20:06 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:20:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. Message-ID: <5ef1a.1fd70a10.404524b6@aol.com> In a message dated 3/2/14 13 46 52, boyd411 at gmail.com writes: > Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around > $250K. > >>>No, that's 250K GB pounds which is a LOT more than $250K. More like $420K.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/2/14 13 46 52, boyd411 at gmail.com writes: Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around $250K. >>>No, that's 250K GB pounds which is a LOT more than $250K. More like $420K.... Mike From jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com Sun Mar 2 19:36:37 2014 From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com (John Taphorn) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:36:37 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5313CE95.3020802@kingwoodcable.com> I vaguely recall reading in some GT40 history book that when the Yanks went to LeMans, the Ferrari crews was very non-chalant about pitstops and driver changes. The American teams brought NASCAR practices to the race and motivated the Italians to up their game. I guess that's the American view on it. JT On 3/2/2014 5:22 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. > Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> > Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM > To: Kirby Schrader <[3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> > Cc: Detomaso List <[4]DeTomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... > > It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a > military > force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles > and > the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed > what > was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was > difficult > to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader > <[5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>wrote: > > Now THIS is called teamwork! > > [1][6]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > > As opposed to this.......... > > [2][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > > References > > 1. [8]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > > 2. [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > 3. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com > 6. http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > 8. http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I vaguely recall reading in some GT40 history book that when the Yanks went to LeMans, the Ferrari crews was very non-chalant about pitstops and driver changes. The American teams brought NASCAR practices to the race and motivated the Italians to up their game. I guess that's the American view on it. JT On 3/2/2014 5:22 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [[1]1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey [2]<[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: Kirby Schrader [3]<[3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso List [4]<[4]DeTomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader [5]<[5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][6][6]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][7][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI References 1. [8][8]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [9][9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [[10]10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [12]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. [13]mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. [14]mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 4. [15]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. [16]mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 6. [17]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 7. [18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 8. [19]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 9. [20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 10. [21]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [23]DeTomaso at poca.com [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[2]boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:[3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com 4. mailto:[4]DeTomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com 6. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 8. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 10. mailto:10]DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 13. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 14. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 17. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 18. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 19. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From DtomasoCat at aol.com Sun Mar 2 19:52:50 2014 From: DtomasoCat at aol.com (DtomasoCat at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:52:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 150,000 Mile Club (or 241,000 Kilometer Klub) Message-ID: <784e5.28454987.40452c62@aol.com> Well, I reached the 150,000 milestone a few days ago....I didn't notice it for a couple days after the fact and snapped the photo of the odometer. Funny thing about it though, you would never know that it wasn't 50,000 unless I told you. Just goes to show you that driving your Pantera doesn't make it show its age....the design is timeless. I have always said that I would never sell the Pantera but on the day it turned 150,000 miles, I was at a bookstore parking lot with it and when I came out of the store there was someone looking at the car (common occurance). Our conversation went something like this: Him: Wow, awesome car! Me: Thanks, I have way to much fun with it! (my normal response to most questions about it). Him: What's it worth...about $200K? Me: (......pausing).......SOLD! Would I have sold it for $200K? I would have been crazy not to, but I would have immediately looked for a replacement. Although, I sure do like my car....it has a million memories tied to it. I can't think of another car that I would rather: Take to the grocery store Take to the race track Go to the bank Get free oil changes (OK, only once) Road racing at the Silver State Classic Go get fast food Go drag racing Carve up incredible mountain roads Go to Walmart Take the family to Disneyland (that was fun!) Spend 20 minutes at the gas station fueling up and answering questions (love that) Keep up with (and passing) most any new exotic car on the road (now have 15,000 miles on the 408 stroker!) 6000 mile road trip in 16 days Meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this incredible exotic car Over the past 21 years of my Pantera ownership, I have done all the above and so much more. To this day, I still get butterfly's in my stomach in anticipation of the fun I will have driving it that day. What more could I possibly ask of ANY car, let alone something as cool as a Pantera? After 42 years, the Pantera still looks like a million bucks (or at least $200K) You always hear about the LOW mileage Panteras out there but don't hear much about the high mileage ones (for sake of argument, lets call 100K "high mileage" for a Pantera). I know of several Panteras that are 200,000 miles and over (I think Mats Gorsky in Sweden has nearly 300,000 on his and he bought his new). Anyone you know of out there who thinks they own or know of someone who owns the worlds highest mileage Pantera? I would love to hear about it! Jim -------------- next part -------------- Well, I reached the 150,000 milestone a few days ago....I didn't notice it for a couple days after the fact and snapped the photo of the odometer. Funny thing about it though, you would never know that it wasn't 50,000 unless I told you. Just goes to show you that driving your Pantera doesn't make it show its age....the design is timeless. I have always said that I would never sell the Pantera but on the day it turned 150,000 miles, I was at a bookstore parking lot with it and when I came out of the store there was someone looking at the car (common occurance). Our conversation went something like this: Him: Wow, awesome car! Me: Thanks, I have way to much fun with it! (my normal response to most questions about it). Him: What's it worth...about $200K? Me: (......pausing).......SOLD! Would I have sold it for $200K? I would have been crazy not to, but I would have immediately looked for a replacement. Although, I sure do like my car....it has a million memories tied to it. I can't think of another car that I would rather: Take to the grocery store Take to the race track Go to the bank Get free oil changes (OK, only once) Road racing at the Silver State Classic Go get fast food Go drag racing Carve up incredible mountain roads Go to Walmart Take the family to Disneyland (that was fun!) Spend 20 minutes at the gas station fueling up and answering questions (love that) Keep up with (and passing) most any new exotic car on the road (now have 15,000 miles on the 408 stroker!) 6000 mile road trip in 16 days Meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this incredible exotic car Over the past 21 years of my Pantera ownership, I have done all the above and so much more. To this day, I still get butterfly's in my stomach in anticipation of the fun I will have driving it that day. What more could I possibly ask of ANY car, let alone something as cool as a Pantera? After 42 years, the Pantera still looks like a million bucks (or at least $200K) You always hear about the LOW mileage Panteras out there but don't hear much about the high mileage ones (for sake of argument, lets call 100K "high mileage" for a Pantera). I know of several Panteras that are 200,000 miles and over (I think Mats Gorsky in Sweden has nearly 300,000 on his and he bought his new). Anyone you know of out there who thinks they own or know of someone who owns the worlds highest mileage Pantera? I would love to hear about it! Jim From michael at michaelshortt.com Sun Mar 2 20:05:56 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:05:56 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] 150,000 Mile Club (or 241,000 Kilometer Klub) In-Reply-To: <784e5.28454987.40452c62@aol.com> References: <784e5.28454987.40452c62@aol.com> Message-ID: Nice read, Congrats to you and your car, here's to another 150k. Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 7:54 PM, wrote: > Well, I reached the 150,000 milestone a few days ago....I didn't notice > it for a couple days after the fact and snapped the photo of the > odometer. Funny thing about it though, you would never know that it > wasn't 50,000 unless I told you. Just goes to show you that driving > your Pantera doesn't make it show its age....the design is timeless. > I have always said that I would never sell the Pantera but on the day > it turned 150,000 miles, I was at a bookstore parking lot with it and > when I came out of the store there was someone looking at the car > (common occurance). Our conversation went something like this: > Him: Wow, awesome car! > Me: Thanks, I have way to much fun with it! (my normal response to most > questions about it). > Him: What's it worth...about $200K? > Me: (......pausing).......SOLD! > Would I have sold it for $200K? I would have been crazy not to, but I > would have immediately looked for a replacement. Although, I sure do > like my car....it has a million memories tied to it. > I can't think of another car that I would rather: > Take to the grocery store > Take to the race track > Go to the bank > Get free oil changes (OK, only once) > Road racing at the Silver State Classic > Go get fast food > Go drag racing > Carve up incredible mountain roads > Go to Walmart > Take the family to Disneyland (that was fun!) > Spend 20 minutes at the gas station fueling up and answering questions > (love that) > Keep up with (and passing) most any new exotic car on the road (now > have 15,000 miles on the 408 stroker!) > 6000 mile road trip in 16 days > Meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this incredible > exotic car > Over the past 21 years of my Pantera ownership, I have done all the > above and so much more. To this day, I still get butterfly's in my > stomach in anticipation of the fun I will have driving it that day. > What more could I possibly ask of ANY car, let alone something as cool > as a Pantera? > After 42 years, the Pantera still looks like a million bucks (or at > least $200K) > You always hear about the LOW mileage Panteras out there but don't hear > much about the high mileage ones (for sake of argument, lets call 100K > "high mileage" for a Pantera). > I know of several Panteras that are 200,000 miles and over (I think > Mats Gorsky in Sweden has nearly 300,000 on his and he bought his new). > Anyone you know of out there who thinks they own or know of someone who > owns the worlds highest mileage Pantera? > I would love to hear about it! > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Nice read, Congrats to you and your car, here's to another 150k. Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 7:54 PM, <[1]DtomasoCat at aol.com> wrote: Well, I reached the 150,000 milestone a few days ago....I didn't notice it for a couple days after the fact and snapped the photo of the odometer. Funny thing about it though, you would never know that it wasn't 50,000 unless I told you. Just goes to show you that driving your Pantera doesn't make it show its age....the design is timeless. I have always said that I would never sell the Pantera but on the day it turned 150,000 miles, I was at a bookstore parking lot with it and when I came out of the store there was someone looking at the car (common occurance). Our conversation went something like this: Him: Wow, awesome car! Me: Thanks, I have way to much fun with it! (my normal response to most questions about it). Him: What's it worth...about $200K? Me: (......pausing).......SOLD! Would I have sold it for $200K? I would have been crazy not to, but I would have immediately looked for a replacement. Although, I sure do like my car....it has a million memories tied to it. I can't think of another car that I would rather: Take to the grocery store Take to the race track Go to the bank Get free oil changes (OK, only once) Road racing at the Silver State Classic Go get fast food Go drag racing Carve up incredible mountain roads Go to Walmart Take the family to Disneyland (that was fun!) Spend 20 minutes at the gas station fueling up and answering questions (love that) Keep up with (and passing) most any new exotic car on the road (now have 15,000 miles on the 408 stroker!) 6000 mile road trip in 16 days Meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this incredible exotic car Over the past 21 years of my Pantera ownership, I have done all the above and so much more. To this day, I still get butterfly's in my stomach in anticipation of the fun I will have driving it that day. What more could I possibly ask of ANY car, let alone something as cool as a Pantera? After 42 years, the Pantera still looks like a million bucks (or at least $200K) You always hear about the LOW mileage Panteras out there but don't hear much about the high mileage ones (for sake of argument, lets call 100K "high mileage" for a Pantera). I know of several Panteras that are 200,000 miles and over (I think Mats Gorsky in Sweden has nearly 300,000 on his and he bought his new). Anyone you know of out there who thinks they own or know of someone who owns the worlds highest mileage Pantera? I would love to hear about it! Jim _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DtomasoCat at aol.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bd8134 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 20:25:58 2014 From: bd8134 at gmail.com (Brian Dudley) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:25:58 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt receptacle In-Reply-To: <03b501cf3651$031eba30$095c2e90$@comcast.net> References: <03b501cf3651$031eba30$095c2e90$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I used the seat belts form this company with the blade rather than the 12" cable which would be too long. http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/WSCH14134C-6.html At the time they did not offer any different lengths of webbing, but the manufacturer did alter them for me for free. I used their 90 degree bracket for the buckle end, the retracter end was the thinnest one I could find and clears the seats. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Chris, SOBill Taylor sent me this link when I was asking about belts a > while > ago. The receptacle ends look to be on a stiff stalk. > Mike > > http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:41 PM > To: 'Pantera list serve' > Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals > > Hi folks, > > While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to > replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff > stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I > drive. > > I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the > stock male belts I'm going to retain. > > Does anyone know the part I need? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- I used the seat belts form this company with the blade rather than the 12" cable which would be too long. [1]http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/WSCH14134C-6.html At the time they did not offer any different lengths of webbing, but the manufacturer did alter them for me for free. I used their 90 degree bracket for the buckle end, the retracter end was the thinnest one I could find and clears the seats. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mike Thomas <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: Chris, SOBill Taylor sent me this link when I was asking about belts a while ago. The receptacle ends look to be on a stiff stalk. Mike [3]http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:41 PM To: 'Pantera list serve' Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/WSCH14134C-6.html 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 2 20:26:24 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 01:26:24 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] 150,000 Mile Club (or 241,000 Kilometer Klub) In-Reply-To: References: <784e5.28454987.40452c62@aol.com>, Message-ID: Man, I had no idea that some had that many miles!!! Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:05:56 -0500 From: michael at michaelshortt.com To: DtomasoCat at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 150,000 Mile Club (or 241,000 Kilometer Klub) Nice read, Congrats to you and your car, here's to another 150k. Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 7:54 PM, wrote: > Well, I reached the 150,000 milestone a few days ago....I didn't notice > it for a couple days after the fact and snapped the photo of the > odometer. Funny thing about it though, you would never know that it > wasn't 50,000 unless I told you. Just goes to show you that driving > your Pantera doesn't make it show its age....the design is timeless. > I have always said that I would never sell the Pantera but on the day > it turned 150,000 miles, I was at a bookstore parking lot with it and > when I came out of the store there was someone looking at the car > (common occurance). Our conversation went something like this: > Him: Wow, awesome car! > Me: Thanks, I have way to much fun with it! (my normal response to most > questions about it). > Him: What's it worth...about $200K? > Me: (......pausing).......SOLD! > Would I have sold it for $200K? I would have been crazy not to, but I > would have immediately looked for a replacement. Although, I sure do > like my car....it has a million memories tied to it. > I can't think of another car that I would rather: > Take to the grocery store > Take to the race track > Go to the bank > Get free oil changes (OK, only once) > Road racing at the Silver State Classic > Go get fast food > Go drag racing > Carve up incredible mountain roads > Go to Walmart > Take the family to Disneyland (that was fun!) > Spend 20 minutes at the gas station fueling up and answering questions > (love that) > Keep up with (and passing) most any new exotic car on the road (now > have 15,000 miles on the 408 stroker!) > 6000 mile road trip in 16 days > Meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this incredible > exotic car > Over the past 21 years of my Pantera ownership, I have done all the > above and so much more. To this day, I still get butterfly's in my > stomach in anticipation of the fun I will have driving it that day. > What more could I possibly ask of ANY car, let alone something as cool > as a Pantera? > After 42 years, the Pantera still looks like a million bucks (or at > least $200K) > You always hear about the LOW mileage Panteras out there but don't hear > much about the high mileage ones (for sake of argument, lets call 100K > "high mileage" for a Pantera). > I know of several Panteras that are 200,000 miles and over (I think > Mats Gorsky in Sweden has nearly 300,000 on his and he bought his new). > Anyone you know of out there who thinks they own or know of someone who > owns the worlds highest mileage Pantera? > I would love to hear about it! > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Man, I had no idea that some had that many miles!!! Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:05:56 -0500 From: michael at michaelshortt.com To: DtomasoCat at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 150,000 Mile Club (or 241,000 Kilometer Klub) Nice read, Congrats to you and your car, here's to another 150k. Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 7:54 PM, wrote: > Well, I reached the 150,000 milestone a few days ago....I didn't notice > it for a couple days after the fact and snapped the photo of the > odometer. Funny thing about it though, you would never know that it > wasn't 50,000 unless I told you. Just goes to show you that driving > your Pantera doesn't make it show its age....the design is timeless. > I have always said that I would never sell the Pantera but on the day > it turned 150,000 miles, I was at a bookstore parking lot with it and > when I came out of the store there was someone looking at the car > (common occurance). Our conversation went something like this: > Him: Wow, awesome car! > Me: Thanks, I have way to much fun with it! (my normal response to most > questions about it). > Him: What's it worth...about $200K? > Me: (......pausing).......SOLD! > Would I have sold it for $200K? I would have been crazy not to, but I > would have immediately looked for a replacement. Although, I sure do > like my car....it has a million memories tied to it. > I can't think of another car that I would rather: > Take to the grocery store > Take to the race track > Go to the bank > Get free oil changes (OK, only once) > Road racing at the Silver State Classic > Go get fast food > Go drag racing > Carve up incredible mountain roads > Go to Walmart > Take the family to Disneyland (that was fun!) > Spend 20 minutes at the gas station fueling up and answering questions > (love that) > Keep up with (and passing) most any new exotic car on the road (now > have 15,000 miles on the 408 stroker!) > 6000 mile road trip in 16 days > Meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this incredible > exotic car > Over the past 21 years of my Pantera ownership, I have done all the > above and so much more. To this day, I still get butterfly's in my > stomach in anticipation of the fun I will have driving it that day. > What more could I possibly ask of ANY car, let alone something as cool > as a Pantera? > After 42 years, the Pantera still looks like a million bucks (or at > least $200K) > You always hear about the LOW mileage Panteras out there but don't hear > much about the high mileage ones (for sake of argument, lets call 100K > "high mileage" for a Pantera). > I know of several Panteras that are 200,000 miles and over (I think > Mats Gorsky in Sweden has nearly 300,000 on his and he bought his new). > Anyone you know of out there who thinks they own or know of someone who > owns the worlds highest mileage Pantera? > I would love to hear about it! > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sun Mar 2 20:42:44 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:42:44 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt receptacle In-Reply-To: References: <03b501cf3651$031eba30$095c2e90$@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Again, the problem is I only want the female part--not the retractor, etc. Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:25:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt receptacle From: bd8134 at gmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net CC: chrisvkimball at msn.com; detomaso at poca.com I used the seat belts form this company with the blade rather than the 12" cable which would be too long.http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/WSCH14134C-6.html At the time they did not offer any different lengths of webbing, but the manufacturer did alter them for me for free.I used their 90 degree bracket for the buckle end, the retracter end was the thinnest one I could find and clears the seats. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: Chris, SOBill Taylor sent me this link when I was asking about belts a while ago. The receptacle ends look to be on a stiff stalk. Mike http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:41 PM To: 'Pantera list serve' Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Again, the problem is I only want the female part--not the retractor, etc. __________________________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:25:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat belt receptacle From: bd8134 at gmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net CC: chrisvkimball at msn.com; detomaso at poca.com I used the seat belts form this company with the blade rather than the 12" cable which would be too long. [1]http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/WSCH14134C-6.html At the time they did not offer any different lengths of webbing, but the manufacturer did alter them for me for free. I used their 90 degree bracket for the buckle end, the retracter end was the thinnest one I could find and clears the seats. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mike Thomas <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: Chris, SOBill Taylor sent me this link when I was asking about belts a while ago. The receptacle ends look to be on a stiff stalk. Mike [3]http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:41 PM To: 'Pantera list serve' Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat belt recepticals Hi folks, While my seats will be out of the car getting reupholstered, I'd like to replace the female sides of the seat belts with the kind mounted on stiff stalks so I don't have to dig around trying to find them every time I drive. I think in a past post someone said a Ford pickup part would work with the stock male belts I'm going to retain. Does anyone know the part I need? Thanks, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/WSCH14134C-6.html 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbelfj19t.html 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 21:32:21 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:32:21 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: Iknow that changing tires has no relationship to warfare the enigma to me was that The Italians were always held up as an example of the worst military in WWII ( besides the French ) it just seems strange to me that they could be among the worlds best at something's and among the worlds absolute worst at something else. I think it's unusual to find such a wide margin in one society. Usually a people that have the determination and discipline to become among the best in the world in any field that involves technology ,precision,hard work and endurance not to mention nerves and pride would also be among the worst in an endeavor that would presumably benefit from some of the same skills. Just an abstract thought . Although it's not related to racing or cars they also were at the top of the heap militarily during the Roman Empire . Same people essentially . What a difference 500 years make. ( I know the Roman Empire was far past it's peak 500 years ago but that's when the Eastern Roman Empire fell.) On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. > > Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) > > > *Terry W. Himes* > > *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory* > > *Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead* > > *Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead* > > *Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team* > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov * > > > > TrangFrom: Boyd Casey > > > Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM > To: Kirby Schrader > > > Cc: Detomaso List > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... > > It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a > military > force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and > the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what > was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult > to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader > >wrote: > > Now THIS is called teamwork! > [1]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > > > As opposed to this.......... > [2]Nascar Pit Road Moments > > References > > 1. http://zanylol.com/tires.html > 2. Nascar Pit Road Moments > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- Iknow that changing tires has no relationship to warfare the enigma to me was that The Italians were always held up as an example of the worst military in WWII ( besides the French ) it just seems strange to me that they could be among the worlds best at something's and among the worlds absolute worst at something else. I think it's unusual to find such a wide margin in one society. Usually a people that have the determination and discipline to become among the best in the world in any field that involves technology ,precision,hard work and endurance not to mention nerves and pride would also be among the worst in an endeavor that would presumably benefit from some of the same skills. Just an abstract thought . Although it's not related to racing or cars they also were at the top of the heap militarily during the Roman Empire . Same people essentially . What a difference 500 years make. ( I know the Roman Empire was far past it's peak 500 years ago but that's when the Eastern Roman Empire fell.) On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov TrangFrom: Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: Kirby Schrader <[4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso List <[5]DeTomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[6]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][7]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][8]Nascar Pit Road Moments References 1. [9]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [10]Nascar Pit Road Moments _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thimes at jpl.nasa.gov'); 3. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boyd411 at gmail.com'); 4. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kirby.schrader at gmail.com'); 5. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 6. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kirby.schrader at gmail.com'); 7. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 9. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 11. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 21:36:39 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:36:39 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: So Michael I'm not the only one that has given it some thought. Thanks for the link it was very interesting informative. HBC On Sunday, March 2, 2014, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Here you go. > > http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1988/HEG.htm > > Michael Shortt > On Mar 2, 2014 5:56 PM, "Boyd Casey" > > wrote: > >> It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a >> military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their >> automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I >> still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the >> after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so >> fast it's mind boggling. >> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader >> <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Now THIS is called teamwork! >> [1][2]http://zanylol.com/tires.html >> As opposed to this.......... >> [2][3]Nascar Pit Road Moments >> References >> 1. [4]http://zanylol.com/tires.html >> 2. [5]Nascar Pit Road Moments >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [6]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com >> 2. http://zanylol.com/tires.html >> 3. Nascar Pit Road Moments >> 4. http://zanylol.com/tires.html >> 5. Nascar Pit Road Moments >> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- So Michael I'm not the only one that has given it some thought. Thanks for the link it was very interesting informative. HBC On Sunday, March 2, 2014, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Here you go. [3]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1988/HEG.ht m Michael Shortt On Mar 2, 2014 5:56 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[4]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[1][5]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][2][6]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][3][7]Nascar Pit Road Moments References 1. [4][8]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [5][9]Nascar Pit Road Moments _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [6][10]DeTomaso at poca.com [7][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[12]kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. [13]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 3. [14]Nascar Pit Road Moments 4. [15]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 5. [16]Nascar Pit Road Moments 6. mailto:[17]DeTomaso at poca.com 7. [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [19]DeTomaso at poca.com [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1988/HEG.htm 4. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boyd411 at gmail.com'); 5. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kirby.schrader at gmail.com'); 6. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 8. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 10. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kirby.schrader at gmail.com'); 13. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 15. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 17. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 21:39:50 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:39:50 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: <5ef1a.1fd70a10.404524b6@aol.com> References: <5ef1a.1fd70a10.404524b6@aol.com> Message-ID: Your absolutely correct but it's still not $700k ( unless the bespoke model has wire wheels with 24kt "be-spokes!") On Sunday, March 2, 2014, wrote: > > In a message dated 3/2/14 13 46 52, boyd411 at gmail.comwrites: > > > Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around > $250K. > > > >>>No, that's 250K GB pounds which is a LOT more than $250K. More like > $420K.... > > Mike > > -------------- next part -------------- Your absolutely correct but it's still not $700k ( unless the bespoke model has wire wheels with 24kt "be-spokes!") On Sunday, March 2, 2014, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/2/14 13 46 52, [2]boyd411 at gmail.com writes: Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around $250K. >>>No, that's 250K GB pounds which is a LOT more than $250K. More like $420K.... Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boyd411 at gmail.com'); From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 2 22:13:38 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:13:38 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can understand the connection. Hard work, determination, discipline and team work. Of course all that takes a second seat when the first shot is fired. I guess it comes down to will. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey > Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:32 PM To: Terry Himes > Cc: Kirby Schrader >, Detomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... Iknow that changing tires has no relationship to warfare the enigma to me was that The Italians were always held up as an example of the worst military in WWII ( besides the French ) it just seems strange to me that they could be among the worlds best at something's and among the worlds absolute worst at something else. I think it's unusual to find such a wide margin in one society. Usually a people that have the determination and discipline to become among the best in the world in any field that involves technology ,precision,hard work and endurance not to mention nerves and pride would also be among the worst in an endeavor that would presumably benefit from some of the same skills. Just an abstract thought . Although it's not related to racing or cars they also were at the top of the heap militarily during the Roman Empire . Same people essentially . What a difference 500 years make. ( I know the Roman Empire was far past it's peak 500 years ago but that's when the Eastern Roman Empire fell.) On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Himes, Terry (397C) > wrote: War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov TrangFrom: Boyd Casey > Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: Kirby Schrader > Cc: Detomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader >wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2]Nascar Pit Road Moments References 1. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. Nascar Pit Road Moments _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I can understand the connection. Hard work, determination, discipline and team work. Of course all that takes a second seat when the first shot is fired. I guess it comes down to will. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:32 PM To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov> Cc: Kirby Schrader <[4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>, Detomaso List <[5]DeTomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... Iknow that changing tires has no relationship to warfare the enigma to me was that The Italians were always held up as an example of the worst military in WWII ( besides the French ) it just seems strange to me that they could be among the worlds best at something's and among the worlds absolute worst at something else. I think it's unusual to find such a wide margin in one society. Usually a people that have the determination and discipline to become among the best in the world in any field that involves technology ,precision,hard work and endurance not to mention nerves and pride would also be among the worst in an endeavor that would presumably benefit from some of the same skills. Just an abstract thought . Although it's not related to racing or cars they also were at the top of the heap militarily during the Roman Empire . Same people essentially . What a difference 500 years make. ( I know the Roman Empire was far past it's peak 500 years ago but that's when the Eastern Roman Empire fell.) On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: War has nothing to do with changing tires in a pit stop. Like comparing the Universe to ant. Just sayin' ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov TrangFrom: Boyd Casey <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: Kirby Schrader <[9]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso List <[10]DeTomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... It's hard for me to understand why the Italians did so poorly as a military force in WWII when I see the levels of perfection in their automobiles and the performance of this pit crew. I didn't blink and I still missed what was really being done . I saw the before and the after but it was difficult to actually observe the "during" it was so fast it's mind boggling. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[11]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][12]http://zanylol.com/tires.html As opposed to this.......... [2][13]Nascar Pit Road Moments References 1. [14]http://zanylol.com/tires.html 2. [15]Nascar Pit Road Moments _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso at poca.com [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thimes at jpl.nasa.gov'); 8. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boyd411 at gmail.com'); 9. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kirby.schrader at gmail.com'); 10. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 11. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kirby.schrader at gmail.com'); 12. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 14. http://zanylol.com/tires.html 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZAOIN2CI 16. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DeTomaso at poca.com'); 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From grayjim at cox.net Sun Mar 2 23:22:51 2014 From: grayjim at cox.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 23:22:51 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Italians/French Message-ID: I can but not remember the comedy sketch with Robin Williams and Jonathan Winters in which they were selling military surplus rifles from (AIR) France and Italy. The pitch was that were never fired and only thrown down once. That reminded me of a boring college football game wherein the announcer said the game reminded him of a war between Italy and France. There would be no winner. My apologies to those of French or Italian extraction. I am forever grateful to the Italians for their selection of the American Tom Tjaarda to design the Pantera. Jim Gray From will.kooiman at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 23:51:13 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 23:51:13 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: <5ef17.48bb4f7b.404524b3@aol.com> References: <5ef17.48bb4f7b.404524b3@aol.com> Message-ID: I didn't take it that way. David wasn't deriding Kirk. He was only pointing out that all VINs are made up numbers. The VIN that Kirk had to use are just as made up as the VINs that Ford Motor Company uses. BTW, I have a huge amount of respect for Kirk. Most people would have said screw it. It takes a lot of determination and skill to do what he has accomplished. On 3/2/14 7:20 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 3/2/14 14 45 15, adin at frontier.net writes: > > I am plenty calm, the derisive note regarding "made up" numbers just > struck me as unnecessary. I understand what Evans did and why. Does > that make Evans a bad guy? > > >>>The only person here deriding Kirk's noble effort appears to be you? > There are 'some people' out there who continue to insist that the > Amerisport Panteras are not 'real' Panteras, and instead are some sort > of glorified kit cars. Referring to them by their Amerisport VIN > instead of their De Tomaso VIN is an insult, one which perpetuates that > myth and robs them of their well-deserved true identity as De Tomaso > cars. > All Amerisport cars were made in Italy by De Tomaso and equipped with > De Tomaso VINS; they were 'completed' here by Kirk, by the installation > of the drivetrain and emissions gear, and technically, that meant they > were considered to be manufactured here. Due to stupid bureaucracy in > the USA, the government refused to acknowledge the De Tomaso VINS the > cars wore (our laws had changed and required more characters than had > been used previously), and so the DOT made up rather arbitrary new ones > for Amerisport to use, which unfortunately have no relationship to the > De Tomaso VIN. > That doesn't change the true identity of an Amerisport-sourced car, or > make it any less of a genuine De Tomaso Pantera, despite what some may > suggest. > Mike >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 00:45:37 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 00:45:37 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Others taste in cars. In-Reply-To: References: <5ef1a.1fd70a10.404524b6@aol.com> Message-ID: I just l took another look at the Eagle E-type web site and the only cars that had prices on the site were eagle prepared Jaguar E-types not Eagle e-types and The Jag's were and they were priced up to 335,000 POUNDS! I found an Eagle Low drag E-type listed for sale else where and it was 650,000 POUNDS. The seem very nice, the e-type (as everyone knows) is one of the most beautiful cars ever made and the Eagle version is spectacular, but 650,000pounds is allot of cabbage. You could buy a fleet of really nice cars for that and there are some really exceptional cars that you could buy for 650,000 pounds. As nice as they seem I think if I were in a position to spend that kind of money on a single car I don't think it would be that. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > Your absolutely correct but it's still not $700k ( unless the bespoke > model has wire wheels with 24kt "be-spokes!") > > > On Sunday, March 2, 2014, wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 3/2/14 13 46 52, boyd411 at gmail.com writes: >> >> >> Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around >> $250K. >> >> >> >>>No, that's 250K GB pounds which is a LOT more than $250K. More like >> $420K.... >> >> Mike >> >> -------------- next part -------------- I just l took another look at the Eagle E-type web site and the only cars that had prices on the site were eagle prepared Jaguar E-types not Eagle e-types and The Jag's were and they were priced up to 335,000 POUNDS! I found an Eagle Low drag E-type listed for sale else where and it was 650,000 POUNDS. The seem very nice, the e-type (as everyone knows) is one of the most beautiful cars ever made and the Eagle version is spectacular, but 650,000pounds is allot of cabbage. You could buy a fleet of really nice cars for that and there are some really exceptional cars that you could buy for 650,000 pounds. As nice as they seem I think if I were in a position to spend that kind of money on a single car I don't think it would be that. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: Your absolutely correct but it's still not $700k ( unless the bespoke model has wire wheels with 24kt "be-spokes!") On Sunday, March 2, 2014, <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/2/14 13 46 52, boyd411 at gmail.com writes: Sean , When I saw the Eagle on "Top Gear" the said they only cost around $250K. >>>No, that's 250K GB pounds which is a LOT more than $250K. More like $420K.... Mike References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com From kszwab at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 08:46:30 2014 From: kszwab at gmail.com (Konrad Szwab) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 07:46:30 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: They will be able to alter the evidence for the trumped up charges while the exonerating evidence will be "lost". On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent > years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, > George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the > digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and > bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical > nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every > subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was > presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer > processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), > the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is > very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice > to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets > received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove > it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to > catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have > to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times > seem to > be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. > Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture > findings? > It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth > (whatever > that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the > same > thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and > obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting > to be > alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had > been. > ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > > > From: [2]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: [3]davel at emspace.com; [4]Detomaso at poca.com > > > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting > younger > members > > of POCA. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > dave > londry > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > > To: List DeTomaso > > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > > > > Connected Cars > > > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are > increasingly > > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the > top > > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the > 14 > percent > > who say their first consideration is traditional performance > measures > such > > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm > Accenture > > released in December. > > > > (vomiting in my lunch) > > dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 3. mailto:davel at emspace.com > 4. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- They will be able to alter the evidence for the trumped up charges while the exonerating evidence will be "lost". On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1][2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > From: [2][3]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [3][4]davel at emspace.com; [4][5]Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent > who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture > released in December. > > (vomiting in my lunch) > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [6][7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [7][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8][9]DeTomaso at poca.com > [9][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][11]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[13]lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:[14]mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. mailto:[15]davel at emspace.com 4. mailto:[16]Detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:[18]DeTomaso at poca.com 7. 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[23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [24]DeTomaso at poca.com [25]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. mailto:davel at emspace.com 5. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 14. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 15. mailto:davel at emspace.com 16. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 09:55:28 2014 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (scott black) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 06:55:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Italians/French In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1393858528.43894.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> And don't forget the original French tires....lol ? TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:24 PM, Jim Gray wrote: I can but not remember the comedy sketch with Robin Williams and Jonathan Winters in which they were selling military surplus rifles from (AIR) France and Italy.? The pitch was that were never fired and only thrown down once. That reminded me of a boring college football game wherein the announcer said the game reminded him of a war between Italy and France.? There would be no winner. My apologies to those of French or Italian extraction.? I am forever grateful to the Italians for their selection of the American Tom Tjaarda to design the Pantera. Jim Gray _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- And don't forget the original French tires....lol TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:24 PM, Jim Gray wrote: I can but not remember the comedy sketch with Robin Williams and Jonathan Winters in which they were selling military surplus rifles from (AIR) France and Italy. The pitch was that were never fired and only thrown down once. That reminded me of a boring college football game wherein the announcer said the game reminded him of a war between Italy and France. There would be no winner. My apologies to those of French or Italian extraction. I am forever grateful to the Italians for their selection of the American Tom Tjaarda to design the Pantera. Jim Gray _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From knottsj at galstar.com Mon Mar 3 10:46:06 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:46:06 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Italians/French In-Reply-To: <1393858528.43894.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1393858528.43894.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5314A3BE.2060908@galstar.com> Scott, Are you talking about the sound they make when they are flat? Jerry On 3/3/2014 8:55 AM, scott black wrote: > And don't forget the original French tires....lol > > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing > Marketing Acceleration > www.tprm-usa.com > On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:24 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > I can but not remember the comedy sketch with Robin Williams and > Jonathan > Winters in which they were selling military surplus rifles from (AIR) > France > and Italy. The pitch was that were never fired and only thrown down > once. > That reminded me of a boring college football game wherein the > announcer > said the game reminded him of a war between Italy and France. There > would > be no winner. > My apologies to those of French or Italian extraction. I am forever > grateful to the Italians for their selection of the American Tom > Tjaarda to > design the Pantera. > Jim Gray > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [1]DeTomaso at poca.com > [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Scott, Are you talking about the sound they make when they are flat? Jerry On 3/3/2014 8:55 AM, scott black wrote: And don't forget the original French tires....lol TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration [1]www.tprm-usa.com On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:24 PM, Jim Gray [2] wrote: I can but not remember the comedy sketch with Robin Williams and Jonathan Winters in which they were selling military surplus rifles from (AIR) France and Italy. The pitch was that were never fired and only thrown down once. That reminded me of a boring college football game wherein the announcer said the game reminded him of a war between Italy and France. There would be no winner. My apologies to those of French or Italian extraction. I am forever grateful to the Italians for their selection of the American Tom Tjaarda to design the Pantera. Jim Gray _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [[3]1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2][4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. 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[6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.tprm-usa.com/ 2. mailto:grayjim at cox.net 3. mailto:1]DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 11:47:38 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:47:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting In-Reply-To: References: <530D2153.9010207@emspace.com> <03a001cf3648$f7d52540$e77f6fc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Although the recent advances in "networked" car computers allows the authorities (or who ever has access to the information) to monitor ones driving habits and violations Which presents potential problems beyond the scope of just Law Enforcement. I feel confident that insurance companies will soon be monitoring this information to raise rates, cancel policies or even deny claims when they discover driving that either violates laws or their companies terms and conditions of coverage. Prior to the implementation of networked cars Law enforcement was already seizing computers from cars involved in accidents to determine the speed the car was traveling (as well as other data) when it was involved in a collision. I have read of cases where car owners have removed the computer after an accident to prevent the authorities from obtaining it. I'm fairly confident that an action to prevent the authorities from gaining access to the cars computer after an accident could be construed as "tampering with evidence" , I am equally confident that if laws don't already exist to give authorities permission to seize vehicles computers after an accident or incident they soon will. With GPS, facial recognition the installation of networked video cameras, domestic drone use , and domestic telephone taps aren't enough there will probably come a day in the not to distant future where everyone has some form of implanted chip ostensibly to monitor ones health but with a much more devious hidden agenda in mind. They say "truth is stranger the fiction" in the case of the advances being made in monitoring the populace it would certainly seem that reality has surpassed the imagination of our sci-fi authors. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Konrad Szwab wrote: > They will be able to alter the evidence for the trumped up charges while > the exonerating evidence will be "lost". > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > >> The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent >> years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, >> George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the >> digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and >> bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical >> nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every >> subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was >> presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer >> processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), >> the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is >> very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice >> to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets >> received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove >> it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to >> catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have >> to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. >> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times >> seem to >> be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. >> Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture >> findings? >> It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth >> (whatever >> that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the >> same >> thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and >> obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting >> to be >> alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had >> been. >> ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis >> >> > From: [2]mbefthomas at comcast.net >> > To: [3]davel at emspace.com; [4]Detomaso at poca.com >> >> >> > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 >> >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting >> > >> >> > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting >> younger >> members >> > of POCA. >> > Mike >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >> dave >> londry >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM >> > To: List DeTomaso >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting >> > >> > >> > Connected Cars >> > >> > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are >> increasingly >> > looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the >> top >> > selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the >> 14 >> percent >> > who say their first consideration is traditional performance >> measures >> such >> > as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm >> Accenture >> > released in December. >> > >> > (vomiting in my lunch) >> > dave >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> > >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > [6]DeTomaso at poca.com >> > [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> > >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com >> > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [10]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com >> 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net >> 3. mailto:davel at emspace.com >> 4. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com >> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com >> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- Although the recent advances in "networked" car computers allows the authorities (or who ever has access to the information) to monitor ones driving habits and violations Which presents potential problems beyond the scope of just Law Enforcement. I feel confident that insurance companies will soon be monitoring this information to raise rates, cancel policies or even deny claims when they discover driving that either violates laws or their companies terms and conditions of coverage. Prior to the implementation of networked cars Law enforcement was already seizing computers from cars involved in accidents to determine the speed the car was traveling (as well as other data) when it was involved in a collision. I have read of cases where car owners have removed the computer after an accident to prevent the authorities from obtaining it. I'm fairly confident that an action to prevent the authorities from gaining access to the cars computer after an accident could be construed as "tampering with evidence" , I am equally confident that if laws don't already exist to give authorities permission to seize vehicles computers after an accident or incident they soon will. With GPS, facial recognition the installation of networked video cameras, domestic drone use , and domestic telephone taps aren't enough there will probably come a day in the not to distant future where everyone has some form of implanted chip ostensibly to monitor ones health but with a much more devious hidden agenda in mind. They say "truth is stranger the fiction" in the case of the advances being made in monitoring the populace it would certainly seem that reality has surpassed the imagination of our sci-fi authors. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Konrad Szwab <[1]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote: They will be able to alter the evidence for the trumped up charges while the exonerating evidence will be "lost". On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: The degree that "big brother " capabilities have advanced in recent years is really very scary. I remember reading 1984 as a student, George Orwell hadn't conceived of the technological implications of the digital age ( no one had) In Mr. Orwell's future every wire tap and bug had a human being monitoring it. This idea presents a logistical nightmare and practical impossibility needing one monitor for every subject being watched which in the fictional society of "1984" was presumably everyone. The reality of today's digital age where computer processing ability has gotten so fast ( and getting faster every year), the capability to monitor just about everyone everywhere has or is very close to becoming a reality. On a positive note it would be nice to be able to go into court and refute trumped up charges for tickets received when one has really not broken the law and being able to prove it with the same technology. The reality is that they will be able to catch so many people actually breaking the law they will no longer have to fabricate charges to meet ticket quotas. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Bill Lewis <[1][3]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I subscribe to several car magazines, and power and track times seem to be their main focus - even the BMW's and Mercedes, Rolls, etc. Horsepower rules. I wonder if they are aware of the Acenture findings? It's odd that in this "Golden Age" in America that the youth (whatever that means) are not too interested in vehicles. Maybe it's the same thing as: when I was a kid the cowboy western movies ruled; and obviously that is ancient history now. It would be interesting to be alive in 100 years and look back to see what the hot items had been. ---Bill (where is my crystal ball) Lewis > From: [2][4]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [3][5]davel at emspace.com; [4][6]Detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:55:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > That's a big part of the reason we're having trouble getting younger members > of POCA. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of dave londry > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:04 PM > To: List DeTomaso > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Disgusting > > > Connected Cars > > Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly > looking to be connected at all times. 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Again, thanks to all for the info on the Targa and the GT5 Serial # questions. Ken Montana / Biloxi, MS 228-832-1313 / montana at montanas.com -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of detomaso-request at poca.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 1:00 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 117, Issue 2 From pantera at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 3 12:37:12 2014 From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:37:12 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arms Message-ID: All, I need the dimensions of the wiper arms (length to the bend, the length after the bend, and the angle of the bend) so I can try to find a match. I'm told E Type's work, but that's hard to believe because the Jag windshield is shorter than ours. I have a '74 so they park on the passenger side. Thanks. Richard Austin, TX -------------- next part -------------- All, I need the dimensions of the wiper arms (length to the bend, the length after the bend, and the angle of the bend) so I can try to find a match. I'm told E Type's work, but that's hard to believe because the Jag windshield is shorter than ours. I have a '74 so they park on the passenger side. Thanks. Richard Austin, TX From rob at dumoulins.net Mon Mar 3 14:54:49 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 14:54:49 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tim Horton Pantera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Over breakfast with my client here in Toronto, I mentioned Tim Horton and the folklore is that he was racing the plane carrying the team back saying he would beat them. Rob On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 7:34 PM, B. Seib wrote: > Here's more on this story: > > > http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/news/driving/story.html?id=7ddd > a426-0216-4116-b244-77292a7c5b36 > > Barry > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > P6746 at aol.com P6746 at aol.com > Fri Feb 28 12:38:47 MST 2014 > > An old school mate of mine back in Nova Scotia sent me this article from a > Toronto newspaper. > > I think most everyone knew that he died in a Pantera, but I was surprised > to learn how he got the car. > > For the uninitiated, there is a Tim Horton coffee shop on nearly every > corner in Canada at least in eastern Canada, and they are moving into the > US. > (Good coffee, great soup and other stuff) > > Bob Reid > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Tim Horton crash.zip > Type: application/zip > Size: 72390 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > < > http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20140228/07a25eb6/a > ttachment.zip> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > Previous message: [DeTomaso] Pantera Wheel Identification > Next message: [DeTomaso] Tim Horton Pantera > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > More information about the DeTomaso mailing list > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Over breakfast with my client here in Toronto, I mentioned Tim Horton and the folklore is that he was racing the plane carrying the team back saying he would beat them. Rob On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 7:34 PM, B. Seib <[1]oldwheel at shaw.ca> wrote: Here's more on this story: [2]http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/news/driving/story.h tml?id=7ddd a426-0216-4116-b244-77292a7c5b36 Barry -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- ---- P6746 at [3]aol.com P6746 at [4]aol.com Fri Feb 28 12:38:47 MST 2014 An old school mate of mine back in Nova Scotia sent me this article from a Toronto newspaper. I think most everyone knew that he died in a Pantera, but I was surprised to learn how he got the car. For the uninitiated, there is a Tim Horton coffee shop on nearly every corner in Canada at least in eastern Canada, and they are moving into the US. (Good coffee, great soup and other stuff) Bob Reid A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you mean 205mm? LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Curt Hall To: Stephen Nelson ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? Stephen... ? I've run BFGs, 305x50x15s on 8" Campys in the back and 225x50x15s on 7" ? Campys in the front for many years without any problems. ? Curt ? From: Stephen Nelson ? To: detomaso at poca.com ? Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM ? Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? ? I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to ? figure ? ? out my tire options.? Which are pretty limited, as reported many ? times ? ? here before.? I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that ? might ? ? work on the back 8 inch rims: ? ? 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - ? 10.5 ? ? inch wide rims.? Tread width 10.4"? Section width 12.2" ? ? 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 ? ? inch wide rims.? ? ? Tread width? 9.1"? Section width 10.2" ? ? The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have ? any ? ? comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going ? with ? ? 8 inch wide rims? ? ? Stephen Nelson ? ? [1]SNClocks.com ? ? Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists ? ? Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries ? ? Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement ? References ? ? 1. [1]http://www.snclocks.com/ ? ? 2. [2]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html ? ? 3. ? [3]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-S ? teves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 ? ? 4. [4]http://www.perfectoldman.com/ ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? DeTomaso mailing list ? [5]DeTomaso at poca.com ? 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LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Curt Hall To: Stephen Nelson ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Stephen... I've run BFGs, 305x50x15s on 8" Campys in the back and 225x50x15s on 7" Campys in the front for many years without any problems. Curt From: Stephen Nelson <[3]steve at snclocks.com> To: [4]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to figure out my tire options. Which are pretty limited, as reported many times here before. I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that might work on the back 8 inch rims: 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - 10.5 inch wide rims. Tread width 10.4" Section width 12.2" 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 inch wide rims. Tread width 9.1" Section width 10.2" The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 inch wide rims? Stephen Nelson [1]SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References 1. [1][5]http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. [2][6]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. [3][7]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/Abou t-S teves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. 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Panteras use a longer blade & support than Jags. I know of one Pantera that uses reshaped Z-28 wiper arms from the '80s, with different length blades & supports. I pay no attention to catalogues that give factory wiper lengths- I measure what I need and find that size. In any case, a slightly longer blade & support will wipe a bit more glass clear on most any car. Note that since the '70s, most wiper arms have been made of stainless steel, and the bend can be modified by slow 'n careful cold-working to a custom angle. I use a vise to hold the short end, and hand-bend. Mild steel would crack but stainless is tough. This comes in handy for cars like the Pantera that uses different bend wiper arms on left and right sides. FWIW- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum To: DeTomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 9:38 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arms All, I need the dimensions of the wiper arms (length to the bend, the length after the bend, and the angle of the bend) so I can try to find a match. I'm told E Type's work, but that's hard to believe because the Jag windshield is shorter than ours. I have a '74 so they park on the passenger side. Thanks. Richard Austin, TX _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Don't forget the glass area wiped is the length of the wiper arm plus the length of the wiper blade & support. Panteras use a longer blade & support than Jags. I know of one Pantera that uses reshaped Z-28 wiper arms from the '80s, with different length blades & supports. I pay no attention to catalogues that give factory wiper lengths- I measure what I need and find that size. In any case, a slightly longer blade & support will wipe a bit more glass clear on most any car. Note that since the '70s, most wiper arms have been made of stainless steel, and the bend can be modified by slow 'n careful cold-working to a custom angle. I use a vise to hold the short end, and hand-bend. Mild steel would crack but stainless is tough. This comes in handy for cars like the Pantera that uses different bend wiper arms on left and right sides. FWIW- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum To: DeTomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 9:38 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arms All, I need the dimensions of the wiper arms (length to the bend, the length after the bend, and the angle of the bend) so I can try to find a match. I'm told E Type's work, but that's hard to believe because the Jag windshield is shorter than ours. I have a '74 so they park on the passenger side. Thanks. Richard Austin, TX _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rob at dumoulins.net Mon Mar 3 19:08:02 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:08:02 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> Message-ID: And if your Niece did bestiality with a monkey, you would be a Monkey's Uncle. Just sayin. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1]adin at frontier.net> > wrote: > > "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to > register > the > car in the USA" > Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the > Amerisport > VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer > car? or > a Detomaso VIN? > It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, > including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various > reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." > OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . > David in Durango > if ifs and buts were candy and nuts > we'd all have a happy Christmas > [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [2]DeTomaso at poca.com > [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:adin at frontier.net > 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- And if your Niece did bestiality with a monkey, you would be a Monkey's Uncle. Just sayin. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1][2]adin at frontier.net> wrote: "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2][3]DeTomaso at poca.com [3][4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[5]adin at frontier.net 2. mailto:[6]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:adin at frontier.net 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:adin at frontier.net 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rob at dumoulins.net Mon Mar 3 19:10:01 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:10:01 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> Message-ID: Sister, not Niece. Jokes are not funny if you have to correct them :) Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Rob Dumoulin wrote: > And if your Niece did bestiality with a monkey, you would be a Monkey's > Uncle. > > Just sayin. > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > >> And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle >> >> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1]adin at frontier.net >> > >> wrote: >> >> "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to >> register >> the >> car in the USA" >> Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the >> Amerisport >> VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer >> car? or >> a Detomaso VIN? >> It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, >> including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various >> reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." >> OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . >> David in Durango >> if ifs and buts were candy and nuts >> we'd all have a happy Christmas >> [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [2]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:adin at frontier.net >> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- Sister, not Niece. Jokes are not funny if you have to correct them :) Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob at dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: And if your Niece did bestiality with a monkey, you would be a Monkey's Uncle. Just sayin. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1][6]adin at frontier.net> wrote: "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2][7]DeTomaso at poca.com [3][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[9]adin at frontier.net 2. mailto:[10]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:adin at frontier.net 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:adin at frontier.net 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 19:49:05 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:49:05 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Dis-service? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEDDA5406244475A24A6B706CE9A286@ZTxp> Message-ID: Or explain them. I say three cheers for Kirk , he has done more to promote Panteras in the US since Ford stopped importing them. Boyd On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Rob Dumoulin wrote: > Sister, not Niece. Jokes are not funny if you have to correct them :) > > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > rob at dumoulins.net > www.kbsi.co > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Rob Dumoulin wrote: > >> And if your Niece did bestiality with a monkey, you would be a Monkey's >> Uncle. >> >> Just sayin. >> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: >> >>> And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1] >>> adin at frontier.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to >>> register >>> the >>> car in the USA" >>> Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the >>> Amerisport >>> VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer >>> car? or >>> a Detomaso VIN? >>> It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, >>> including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various >>> reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." >>> OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . >>> David in Durango >>> if ifs and buts were candy and nuts >>> we'd all have a happy Christmas >>> [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [2]DeTomaso at poca.com >>> [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:adin at frontier.net >>> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >>> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- Or explain them. I say three cheers for Kirk , he has done more to promote Panteras in the US since Ford stopped importing them. Boyd On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[1]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: Sister, not Niece. Jokes are not funny if you have to correct them :) Rob DuMoulin [2]904.476.8744 [3]rob at dumoulins.net [4]www.kbsi.co [5]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[6]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: And if your Niece did bestiality with a monkey, you would be a Monkey's Uncle. Just sayin. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Boyd Casey <[7]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, David in Durango <[1][8]adin at frontier.net> wrote: "The Amerisport VIN is really a 'made up' number necessary to register the car in the USA" Or just an outright lie? Maybe someone can explain how the Amerisport VIN is MORE of a made up number than Hank's [1] third customer car? or a Detomaso VIN? It just seems that all VINs are started at some arbitrary point, including the secret handshake codes, and continued for various reasons, including to "register the car in the USA." OK, ladies, back to the regularly scheduled program . . . . . David in Durango if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a happy Christmas [1] That racist bastard Henry Ford . . . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2][9]DeTomaso at poca.com [3][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[11]adin at frontier.net 2. mailto:[12]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. tel:904.476.8744 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. http://www.kbsi.co/ 5. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 6. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 7. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 8. mailto:adin at frontier.net 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:adin at frontier.net 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From DtomasoCat at aol.com Mon Mar 3 22:45:15 2014 From: DtomasoCat at aol.com (DtomasoCat at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:45:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way Message-ID: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it does the engines.... http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ Jim -------------- next part -------------- Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it does the engines.... [1]http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ Jim References 1. http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 3 23:16:08 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 23:16:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/14 13 50 52, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: > Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? > > Did you mean 205mm? > >>>No. He meant what he said--305/50-15 BF Goodrich Euro T/A. BFG's recommended wheel width for that tire is 8-10 inches, although it does look quite pinched on an 8-inch wheel. They haven't been made since the late 90s. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/3/14 13 50 52, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? Did you mean 205mm? >>>No. He meant what he said--305/50-15 BF Goodrich Euro T/A. BFG's recommended wheel width for that tire is 8-10 inches, although it does look quite pinched on an 8-inch wheel. They haven't been made since the late 90s. Mike From will.kooiman at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 23:24:44 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 23:24:44 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen 305's (on 8" rims), and I've run 295's (as many others have). The 295's look okay, but 275's look better. I currently have 335's on aluminum Campy clones. When these wear out, I'm going to go with 315's. Of course, at the current pace, they'll last forever. Does that mean I'm getting older? Isn't it a young guy thing to want bigger, bigger, bigger!!!! On 3/3/14 11:16 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/14 13 50 52, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: > > Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? > Did you mean 205mm? > > >>>No. He meant what he said--305/50-15 BF Goodrich Euro T/A. BFG's > recommended wheel width for that tire is 8-10 inches, although it does > look quite pinched on an 8-inch wheel. > They haven't been made since the late 90s. > Mike >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 01:48:46 2014 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:48:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In-Reply-To: <1393883380.75874.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <5501b.64898b23.4026face@aol.com> <806CC88FE04E4A62B9F4C62048615BFD@XPS> <1393629539.93046.YahooMailNeo@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1393883380.75874.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1393915726.52377.YahooMailNeo@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Yep... 305x50x15s, BFGs on 8"x15" Campys ________________________________ From: LS To: Curt Hall ; Stephen Nelson ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? Did you mean 205mm? LS central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Curt Hall To: Stephen Nelson ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? Stephen... ? I've run BFGs, 305x50x15s on 8" Campys in the back and 225x50x15s on 7" ? Campys in the front for many years without any problems. ? Curt ? From: Stephen Nelson ? To: detomaso at poca.com ? Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM ? Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? ? I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to ? figure ? ? out my tire options.? Which are pretty limited, as reported many ? times ? ? here before.? I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that ? might ? ? work on the back 8 inch rims: ? ? 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - ? 10.5 ? ? inch wide rims.? Tread width 10.4"? Section width 12.2" ? ? 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 ? ? inch wide rims.? ? ? Tread width? 9.1"? Section width 10.2" ? ? The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have ? any ? ? comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going ? with ? ? 8 inch wide rims? ? ? Stephen Nelson ? ? [1]SNClocks.com ? ? Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists ? ? Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries ? ? Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement ? References ? ? 1. [1]http://www.snclocks.com/ ? ? 2. [2]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html ? ? 3. ? [3]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-S ? teves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 ? ? 4. [4]http://www.perfectoldman.com/ ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? DeTomaso mailing list ? [5]DeTomaso at poca.com ? [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References ? 1. http://www.snclocks.com/ ? 2. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html ? 3. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 ? 4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ ? 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Yep... 305x50x15s, BFGs on 8"x15" Campys From: LS To: Curt Hall ; Stephen Nelson ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? Did you mean 205mm? LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 From: Curt Hall To: Stephen Nelson ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Stephen... I've run BFGs, 305x50x15s on 8" Campys in the back and 225x50x15s on 7" Campys in the front for many years without any problems. Curt From: Stephen Nelson <[3]steve at snclocks.com> To: [4]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires I plan to put original 15 inch rims on 5332 and am continuing to figure out my tire options. Which are pretty limited, as reported many times here before. I note that the TA's come in a couple of sizes that might work on the back 8 inch rims: 295/50R15, 26.7 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 8 - 10.5 inch wide rims. Tread width 10.4" Section width 12.2" 255/60R15, 27.1 inches tall, TireRack indicates they can go on 7 - 9 inch wide rims. Tread width 9.1" Section width 10.2" The 255's look to be the most logical choice, but does anyone have any comments on the 295's - are they an option, given I will be going with 8 inch wide rims? Stephen Nelson [1]SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References 1. [1][5]http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. [2][6]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. [3][7]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/Abou t-S teves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. [4][8]http://www.perfectoldman.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][9]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [11]http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. [12]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. [13]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About- Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. [14]http://www.perfectoldman.com/ 5. mailto:[15]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:steve at snclocks.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. http://www.snclocks.com/ 6. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 7. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-S 8. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. http://www.snclocks.com/ 12. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 13. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 14. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:26:48 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:26:48 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way In-Reply-To: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> References: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> Message-ID: That is amazing!. It had been told that the old style "car crusher" like the one used in the movie "Thunderball" they removed the engine /trans before tuning the body into a cube. This takes the complete engines and consumes then in minutes if not seconds! Pretty impressive ( in a creepy kind of way). On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, wrote: > Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it > does the engines.... > > > > [1]http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ > > > > Jim > > References > > 1. http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- That is amazing!. It had been told that the old style "car crusher" like the one used in the movie "Thunderball" they removed the engine /trans before tuning the body into a cube. This takes the complete engines and consumes then in minutes if not seconds! Pretty impressive ( in a creepy kind of way). On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, <[1]DtomasoCat at aol.com> wrote: Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it does the engines.... [1][2]http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ Jim References 1. [3]http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DtomasoCat at aol.com 2. http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ 3. http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 4 12:04:42 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:04:42 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Message-ID: http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- [1]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [2]www.michaelshortt.com [3]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 2. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From LEVITT1946 at aol.com Tue Mar 4 12:31:04 2014 From: LEVITT1946 at aol.com (LEVITT1946 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:31:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Message-ID: <7981a.15cb4569.404767d8@aol.com> The Detomaso Pantera as far as I am concerned is the best value, never ending style and just overall the sexiest sports car available on the market today. 43 years since the first Detomaso Pantera was shipped and the car turns heads ALL THE TIME. In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:06:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael at michaelshortt.com writes: http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#s lide-18 -------------- next part -------------- The Detomaso Pantera as far as I am concerned is the best value, never ending style and just overall the sexiest sports car available on the market today. 43 years since the first Detomaso Pantera was shipped and the car turns heads ALL THE TIME. In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:06:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael at michaelshortt.com writes: http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 From LEVITT1946 at aol.com Tue Mar 4 12:32:07 2014 From: LEVITT1946 at aol.com (LEVITT1946 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:32:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Message-ID: <79904.cc4b9b7.40476817@aol.com> The Detomaso Pantera as far as I am concerned is the best value, never ending style and just overall the sexiest sports car available on the market today. 43 years since the first Detomaso Pantera was shipped and the car turns heads ALL THE TIME. Bob Levitt In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:06:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael at michaelshortt.com writes: http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#s lide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you [1]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [2]www.michaelshortt.com [3]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 2. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- The Detomaso Pantera as far as I am concerned is the best value, never ending style and just overall the sexiest sports car available on the market today. 43 years since the first Detomaso Pantera was shipped and the car turns heads ALL THE TIME. Bob Levitt In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:06:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael at michaelshortt.com writes: http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you [1]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last -50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [2]www.michaelshortt.com [3]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 2. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 4 12:40:05 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 17:40:05 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 4 12:49:24 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:49:24 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you seen the list of the cars the writers of these rags own......POS all of them. Haters. Michael Shortt On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > > > *Terry W. Himes* > > *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory* > > *Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead* > > *Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead* > > *Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team* > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov * > > > > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 > > Michael Shortt > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Have you seen the list of the cars the writers of these rags own......POS all of them. Haters. Michael Shortt On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: [2](818) 393-6261 Cell: [3](818) 653-8213 Fax: [4](818) 393-3147 [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[6]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[7]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[8]detomaso at poca.com" <[9]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [10]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-5 0-years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [11]www.michaelshortt.com [12]michael at michaelshortt.com [13]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [14]www.michaelshortt.com [15]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 3. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 4. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 13. tel:912-232-9390 14. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 15. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From LEVITT1946 at aol.com Tue Mar 4 12:51:00 2014 From: LEVITT1946 at aol.com (LEVITT1946 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:51:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Message-ID: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#s lide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51c oolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last -50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 4 12:58:15 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 17:58:15 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: I agree. Like Michael says "You can't drive anywhere without turning heads!" I had a car following me then beside me video taping my yellow Pantera with their camera phone a few weeks ago. Heavy traffic so I was actually going < speed limit. ;-) I LOVE my Pantera. It's also a hit at JPL and the JPL Car Show. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "LEVITT1946 at aol.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:51 AM To: Terry Himes >, "michael at michaelshortt.com" >, "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I agree. Like Michael says "You can't drive anywhere without turning heads!" I had a car following me then beside me video taping my yellow Pantera with their camera phone a few weeks ago. Heavy traffic so I was actually going < speed limit. ;-) I LOVE my Pantera. It's also a hit at JPL and the JPL Car Show. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]LEVITT1946 at aol.com" <[3]LEVITT1946 at aol.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:51 AM To: Terry Himes <[4]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, "[5]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[6]michael at michaelshortt.com>, "[7]detomaso at poca.com" <[8]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [9]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [10]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[11]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> From: "[12]michael at michaelshortt.com<[13]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> " <[14]michael at michaelshortt.com<[15]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[16]detomaso at poca.com<[17]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <[18]detomaso at poca.com<[19]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [20]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-las t-50-years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [21]michael at michaelshortt.com<[22]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][23]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][24]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3][25]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4][26]detomaso at poca.com" <[5][27]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6][28]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the- last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7][29]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. [30]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. [31]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. [32]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. [33]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. [34]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. [35]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-las t-50-years#slide-18 7. [36]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [37]DeTomaso at poca.com [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 3. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 4. mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 11. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 13. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> 14. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 15. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> 16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com> 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com> 20. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 21. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 23. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 25. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 26. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 27. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 28. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 29. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 30. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 31. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 32. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 33. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 34. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 35. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 36. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From charlesmccall at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 14:00:54 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 20:00:54 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Redneck comment is Drew's fault... he's the one who drove around with bull horns on his front Hood a few years ago! On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- The Redneck comment is Drew's fault... he's the one who drove around with bull horns on his front Hood a few years ago! On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: [2](818) 393-6261 Cell: [3](818) 653-8213 Fax: [4](818) 393-3147 [1][5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][6]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3][7]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4][8]detomaso at poca.com" <[5][9]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6][10]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the- last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [11]www.michaelshortt.com [7][12]michael at michaelshortt.com [13]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:[14]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[15]michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:[16]michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:[17]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[18]detomaso at poca.com 6. [19]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-las t-50-years#slide-18 7. mailto:[20]michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [21]DeTomaso at poca.com [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 3. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 4. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 13. tel:912-232-9390 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 15. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 19. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 13:07:09 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, <[1]LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote: SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: [3](818) 393-6261 Cell: [4](818) 653-8213 Fax: [5](818) 393-3147 [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[8]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[10]michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[12]detomaso at poca.com" <[14]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [16]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-5 0 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [17]www.michaelshortt.com [18]michael at michaelshortt.com [20]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: [21](818) 393-6261 Cell: [22](818) 653-8213 Fax: [23](818) 393-3147 [1][24]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][25]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3][26]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4][27]detomaso at poca.com" <[5][28]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6][29]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the- last -50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [30]www.michaelshortt.com [7][31]michael at michaelshortt.com [32]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:[33]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[34]michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:[35]michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[37]detomaso at poca.com 6. [38]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-5 0 -years#slide-18 7. mailto:[39]michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [40]DeTomaso at poca.com [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [42]DeTomaso at poca.com [43]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 4. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 5. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 10. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 11. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 16. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 17. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 19. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 20. tel:912-232-9390 21. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 22. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 23. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 24. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 25. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 27. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 28. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 29. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last 30. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 31. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 32. tel:912-232-9390 33. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 34. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 35. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 37. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 38. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 39. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 14:38:29 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:38:29 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com>, Message-ID: Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > [1]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6][2]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > [3]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 2. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last 3. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 4 14:44:38 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:44:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: Julian, The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our car being called a "Redneck Supercar" In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 post lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. Michael On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who > cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also > not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. > > As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 > years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in > motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all > honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of > which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I > think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom > Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post > today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns > heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. > > Julian > > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 > From: boyd411 at gmail.com > To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com > CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > > What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with > mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of > crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > > > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > > > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > > > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > > > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > > > -years#slide-18 > > Michael Shortt > > -- > > Michael L. Shortt > > Savannah, Georgia > > www.michaelshortt.com > > > michael at michaelshortt.com > > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > > > notified > > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > > that you > > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > > > -50 > > -years#slide-18 > > Michael Shortt > > -- > > Michael L. Shortt > > Savannah, Georgia > > www.michaelshortt.com > > > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > > 912-232-9390 > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > > > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > > hereby > > notified > > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > > > this > > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > > that > > you > > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > References > > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 6. > > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > > > -years#slide-18 > > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by > POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Julian, The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our car being called a "Redneck Supercar" In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 post lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. Michael On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com To: [3]LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, <[6]LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [7]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: [8](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [9](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [10](818) 393-3147 > [11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[13]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[15]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[17]detomaso at poca.com" > <[19]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > [21]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [22]www.michaelshortt.com > [23]michael at michaelshortt.com > [25]912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: [26](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [27](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [28](818) 393-3147 > [1][29]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2][30]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3][31]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4][32]detomaso at poca.com" <[5][33]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6][34]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [35]www.michaelshortt.com > [7][36]michael at michaelshortt.com > [37]912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:[38]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:[39]michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:[40]michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:[41]detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:[42]detomaso at poca.com > 6. > [43]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:[44]michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [45]DeTomaso at poca.com > [46]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [47]DeTomaso at poca.com > [48]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [49]DeTomaso at poca.com [50]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [51]www.michaelshortt.com [52]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 6. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 7. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 8. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 9. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 10. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 11. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 12. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 13. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 14. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 15. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 21. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 22. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 23. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 25. tel:912-232-9390 26. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 27. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 28. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 29. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 30. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 31. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 32. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 33. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 34. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last 35. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 36. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 37. tel:912-232-9390 38. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 39. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 40. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 41. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 42. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 43. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 44. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 46. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 47. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 48. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 49. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 50. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 51. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 52. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 15:10:33 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:10:33 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm am certainly not a "hater" , I just don't see the point in consolidating these particular 50 cars into the group they are in. I certainly agree that the Pantera is on of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years but as far as some of the others on the list go I would strongly disagree. I have always liked the early 60's continental convertible but I don't think it's among the 50 coolest, nor the Miata. The Citroen SM had many advanced features but I never thought of it as particularly "cool". What happened to The Lamborghini Muria, the F-40, the NSX those 3 should certainly be in any list of coo cars of the last 50 years. In my opinion the article was a mish mosh of cars. Some unique some quite common and a few Like our favorite very cool. But as far as a comprehensive list of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years I for one think the author missed the mark. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Julian, > > The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our car > being called a "Redneck Supercar" > > In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 post > lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. > > Michael > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > >> Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who >> cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also >> not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. >> >> As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 >> years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in >> motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all >> honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of >> which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I >> think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom >> Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post >> today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns >> heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. >> >> Julian >> >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 >> From: boyd411 at gmail.com >> To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com >> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >> >> >> What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with >> mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of >> crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: >> >> > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST >> > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES >> >> >> > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . >> > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: >> >> >> > >> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >> > Terry W. Himes >> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >> >> >> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> >> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> >> > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >> >> >> > > >> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >> >> >> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" >> > > >> >> >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 >> >> >> > -years#slide-18 >> > Michael Shortt >> > -- >> > Michael L. Shortt >> > Savannah, Georgia >> > www.michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > michael at michaelshortt.com >> > 912-232-9390 >> >> >> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> >> >> > notified >> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >> > that you >> > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> >> >> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >> > Terry W. Himes >> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >> >> >> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> >> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" >> >> >> > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> >> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >> > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> >> >> >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >> > >> > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last >> >> >> > -50 >> > -years#slide-18 >> > Michael Shortt >> > -- >> > Michael L. Shortt >> > Savannah, Georgia >> > www.michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com >> > 912-232-9390 >> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> >> >> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> > privileged. 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Thank you >> > References >> >> >> > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >> > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >> > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >> > 6. >> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 >> >> >> > -years#slide-18 >> > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at poca.com >> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> > >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at poca.com >> >> >> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by >> POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > -------------- next part -------------- I'm am certainly not a "hater" , I just don't see the point in consolidating these particular 50 cars into the group they are in. I certainly agree that the Pantera is on of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years but as far as some of the others on the list go I would strongly disagree. I have always liked the early 60's continental convertible but I don't think it's among the 50 coolest, nor the Miata. The Citroen SM had many advanced features but I never thought of it as particularly "cool". What happened to The Lamborghini Muria, the F-40, the NSX those 3 should certainly be in any list of coo cars of the last 50 years. In my opinion the article was a mish mosh of cars. Some unique some quite common and a few Like our favorite very cool. But as far as a comprehensive list of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years I for one think the author missed the mark. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Julian, The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our car being called a "Redneck Supercar" In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 post lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. Michael On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: [4]boyd411 at gmail.com To: [5]LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, <[8]LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [9]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: [10](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [11](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [12](818) 393-3147 > [13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[15]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[17]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[19]detomaso at poca.com" > <[21]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > [23]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [24]www.michaelshortt.com > [25]michael at michaelshortt.com > [27]912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: [28](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [29](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [30](818) 393-3147 > [1][31]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2][32]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3][33]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4][34]detomaso at poca.com" <[5][35]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6][36]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. 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Thank you References 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 4. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 5. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 8. mailto:LEVITT1946 at aol.com 9. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 11. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 12. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 13. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 15. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 17. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 23. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 24. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 25. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 27. tel:912-232-9390 28. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 29. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 30. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 31. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 32. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 33. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 34. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 35. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 36. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last 37. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 38. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 39. tel:912-232-9390 40. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 41. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 42. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 43. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 44. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 45. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 46. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 47. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 48. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 49. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 50. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 51. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 52. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 53. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 54. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 55. tel:912-232-9390 From lashdeep at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 15:30:26 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:30:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> A hand built Italian machine from a company that raced in F1 with Ferrari engineers on the payroll? Detomasos are revered and respected now. They were once considered Redneck supercars? What did I miss in the 70s, 80s and 90s? LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online ? Redneck Supercar?? Really?? Please. ? Terry W. Himes ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory ? Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead ? Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead ? Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team ? Phone: (818) 393-6261 ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 ? Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147 ? [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ? From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> ? Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM ? To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online ? 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Thank you References ? 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ? 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com ? 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com ? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com ? 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com ? 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 ? 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- A hand built Italian machine from a company that raced in F1 with Ferrari engineers on the payroll? Detomasos are revered and respected now. They were once considered Redneck supercars? What did I miss in the 70s, 80s and 90s? LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][4]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3][5]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4][6]detomaso at poca.com" <[5][7]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6][8]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last -50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. 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[15]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-5 0-years#slide-18 7. mailto:[16]michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 10. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 11. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 4 15:41:49 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:41:49 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" Date: Mar 4, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online To: "boyd casey" Cc: I was referring to the phrase "Redneck Supercar". Only people who say stuff like that are just jealous or ignorant. What is a GT40, Cobra, Bizarinni, Iso Griffo, Jensen Interceptor, Rover 3500, TR8, Range Rover, ...all cars with European styling and American Horsepower. On Mar 4, 2014 3:10 PM, "Boyd Casey" wrote: > I'm am certainly not a "hater" , I just don't see the point in > consolidating these particular 50 cars into the group they are in. I > certainly agree that the Pantera is on of the 51 coolest cars of the last > 50 years but as far as some of the others on the list go I would strongly > disagree. I have always liked the early 60's continental convertible but I > don't think it's among the 50 coolest, nor the Miata. The Citroen SM had > many advanced features but I never thought of it as particularly "cool". > What happened to The Lamborghini Muria, the F-40, the NSX those 3 should > certainly be in any list of coo cars of the last 50 years. In my opinion > the article was a mish mosh of cars. Some unique some quite common and a > few Like our favorite very cool. But as far as a comprehensive list of the > 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years I for one think the author missed the > mark. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < > michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > >> Julian, >> >> The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our car >> being called a "Redneck Supercar" >> >> In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 post >> lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >>> Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who >>> cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also >>> not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. >>> >>> As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 >>> years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in >>> motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all >>> honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of >>> which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I >>> think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom >>> Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post >>> today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns >>> heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 >>> From: boyd411 at gmail.com >>> To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com >>> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >>> >>> >>> What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with >>> mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of >>> crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: >>> >>> > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST >>> > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >>> > Terry W. Himes >>> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >>> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >>> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" >>> > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >>> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -years#slide-18 >>> > Michael Shortt >>> > -- >>> > Michael L. Shortt >>> > Savannah, Georgia >>> > www.michaelshortt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > 912-232-9390 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > notified >>> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>> > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>> > that you >>> > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >>> > Terry W. Himes >>> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >>> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >>> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> >>> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >>> > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >>> > >>> > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -50 >>> > -years#slide-18 >>> > Michael Shortt >>> > -- >>> > Michael L. Shortt >>> > Savannah, Georgia >>> > www.michaelshortt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > 912-232-9390 >>> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>> > hereby >>> > notified >>> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > this >>> > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>> > that >>> > you >>> > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>> > References >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >>> > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >>> > 6. >>> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -years#slide-18 >>> > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > DeTomaso mailing list >>> > DeTomaso at poca.com >>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> > >>> > DeTomaso mailing list >>> > DeTomaso at poca.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed >>> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> www.michaelshortt.com >> michael at michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you >> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Mar 4, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online To: "boyd casey" <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com> Cc: I was referring to the phrase "Redneck Supercar". Only people who say stuff like that are just jealous or ignorant. What is a GT40, Cobra, Bizarinni, Iso Griffo, Jensen Interceptor, Rover 3500, TR8, Range Rover, ...all cars with European styling and American Horsepower. On Mar 4, 2014 3:10 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[4]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: I'm am certainly not a "hater" , I just don't see the point in consolidating these particular 50 cars into the group they are in. I certainly agree that the Pantera is on of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years but as far as some of the others on the list go I would strongly disagree. I have always liked the early 60's continental convertible but I don't think it's among the 50 coolest, nor the Miata. The Citroen SM had many advanced features but I never thought of it as particularly "cool". What happened to The Lamborghini Muria, the F-40, the NSX those 3 should certainly be in any list of coo cars of the last 50 years. In my opinion the article was a mish mosh of cars. Some unique some quite common and a few Like our favorite very cool. But as far as a comprehensive list of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years I for one think the author missed the mark. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, [5]michael at michaelshortt.com <[6]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Julian, The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our car being called a "Redneck Supercar" In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 post lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. Michael On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift <[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: [8]boyd411 at gmail.com To: [9]LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: [10]detomaso at poca.com; [11]michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, <[12]LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [13]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: [14](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [15](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [16](818) 393-3147 > [17]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[19]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[21]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[23]detomaso at poca.com" > <[25]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > [27]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [28]www.michaelshortt.com > [29]michael at michaelshortt.com > [31]912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. 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Anyone have a picture of this? Also, has anyone taken tire tread temps to see how much is actually touching the road? LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; cuvee at sbcglobal.net; steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In a message dated 3/3/14 13 50 52, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? > >Did you mean 205mm? > >>>No.? He meant what he said--305/50-15 BF Goodrich Euro T/A.? BFG's recommended wheel width for that tire is 8-10 inches, although it does look quite pinched on an 8-inch wheel. They haven't been made since the late 90s. Mike -------------- next part -------------- That is wild. Anyone have a picture of this? Also, has anyone taken tire tread temps to see how much is actually touching the road? LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; cuvee at sbcglobal.net; steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In a message dated 3/3/14 13 50 52, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: Curt, 305mm tires on an 8" wheel? Did you mean 205mm? >>>No. He meant what he said--305/50-15 BF Goodrich Euro T/A. BFG's recommended wheel width for that tire is 8-10 inches, although it does look quite pinched on an 8-inch wheel. They haven't been made since the late 90s. Mike References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 15:57:25 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:57:25 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , , <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: IMO Pantera's still attract certain types of buyer, not just because they are cheap and more affordable to a larger audience, but by their nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment. That in itself is often the modern definition of a redneck, then having got a Pantera those new owners pull it apart make it faster, add some blingy wheels on it, drop in a 1,000 HP motor or maybe even gold plate it...... and before you know it a cable channel is picking it up for the next reality TV show. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:30:26 -0800 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online A hand built Italian machine from a company that raced in F1 with Ferrari engineers on the payroll? Detomasos are revered and respected now. They were once considered Redneck supercars? What did I miss in the 70s, 80s and 90s? LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- IMO Pantera's still attract certain types of buyer, not just because they are cheap and more affordable to a larger audience, but by their nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment. That in itself is often the modern definition of a redneck, then having got a Pantera those new owners pull it apart make it faster, add some blingy wheels on it, drop in a 1,000 HP motor or maybe even gold plate it...... and before you know it a cable channel is picking it up for the next reality TV show. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:30:26 -0800 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online A hand built Italian machine from a company that raced in F1 with Ferrari engine ers on the payroll? Detomasos are revered and respected now. They were once considered Redneck supercars? What did I miss in the 70s, 80s and 90s? LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6][1]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. [2]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-ye ars#slide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 2. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#slide-18 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 16:08:18 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:08:18 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera 4 Sale: 3634 Message-ID: <56580F106BD9448892F4CD1280BD3C3E@BOSS3A> Pantera 3634, a metallic lime color, is for sale on ebay by Barbara M., naturally, with history in the registry. This Pantera is displaying some unusual rectangular headlights. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- Pantera 3634, a metallic lime color, is for sale on ebay by Barbara M., naturally, with history in the registry. This Pantera is displaying some unusual rectangular headlights. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Mar 4 16:11:55 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 16:11:55 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: , , <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A3DE85FE81A47E9837D01DB5D066F51@LarryHPPC> << before you know it a cable channel is picking it up for the next reality show.>> Hmmmm..... Panther Dynasty 351 Dynasty Italian Dynasty DeTomaso Dynasty Cleveland Dynasty Larry (you know my pick) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:57 PM To: LS; Himes, Terry (397C); michael at michaelshortt.com; De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online IMO Pantera's still attract certain types of buyer, not just because they are cheap and more affordable to a larger audience, but by their nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment. That in itself is often the modern definition of a redneck, then having got a Pantera those new owners pull it apart make it faster, add some blingy wheels on it, drop in a 1,000 HP motor or maybe even gold plate it...... and before you know it a cable channel is picking it up for the next reality TV show. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:30:26 -0800 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online A hand built Italian machine from a company that raced in F1 with Ferrari engineers on the payroll? Detomasos are revered and respected now. They were once considered Redneck supercars? What did I miss in the 70s, 80s and 90s? LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 -years#slide-18 Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50-years#s lide-18 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rimovp at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 16:42:47 2014 From: rimovp at gmail.com (Paul A Rimov) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:42:47 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Message-ID: <0B92F6CF-3044-4F49-84BA-E009545CFC68@gmail.com> Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is a hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are there just waiting for the right person to put it back together properly. One just sold at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. There was a guy that lived in Roseburg Oregon that had a Pantera at one time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz or some name similar. Any way kinda cool. Paul Sent from my iPhone From rgg at gregorycook.com Tue Mar 4 17:24:56 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:24:56 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com>, Message-ID: <4732fa70ab464ab18931ac5c0796b26f@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Well said Julian!! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:38 PM To: Boyd Casey; levitt1946 Cc: De Tomaso List; Melanie Disco Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bill at incendium.com Tue Mar 4 17:47:47 2014 From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:47:47 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <4732fa70ab464ab18931ac5c0796b26f@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> , <4732fa70ab464ab18931ac5c0796b26f@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <705992525-1393973269-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1452800162-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> I have no problem being an "Alberta Redneck" and happy to have a "Redneck Supercar". Julian, you will fit in up here, lol. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: Gray Gregory Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:24:56 To: Julian Kift; Boyd Casey; levitt1946 Cc: De Tomaso List; Melanie Disco Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Well said Julian!! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:38 PM To: Boyd Casey; levitt1946 Cc: De Tomaso List; Melanie Disco Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 19:57:16 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 00:57:16 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way In-Reply-To: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> References: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> Message-ID: Feels like watching an alligator attack a zebra! Or a circumcision!!! From: DtomasoCat at aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:45:15 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it does the engines.... http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ Jim _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Feels like watching an alligator attack a zebra! Or a circumcision!!! From: DtomasoCat at aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:45:15 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it does the engines.... [1]http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ Jim _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 4 20:03:17 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 20:03:17 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] 351 Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's the going rate for 351 salvage engines by year or variety? 70 351 2V 70 351 4V 71 351 2V 71 351 4V 71 351 Boss 351M Other years? Worth stock piling? Michael -------------- next part -------------- What's the going rate for 351 salvage engines by year or variety? 70 351 2V 70 351 4V 71 351 2V 71 351 4V 71 351 Boss 351M Other years? Worth stock piling? Michael From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 21:57:17 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:57:17 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC In-Reply-To: <0B92F6CF-3044-4F49-84BA-E009545CFC68@gmail.com> References: <0B92F6CF-3044-4F49-84BA-E009545CFC68@gmail.com> Message-ID: Post link On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Paul A Rimov wrote: > > Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is a > hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are there just > waiting for the right person to put it back together properly. One just > sold at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. There was a guy that lived in Roseburg > Oregon that had a Pantera at one time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz > or some name similar. Any way kinda cool. Paul > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Post link On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Paul A Rimov <[1]rimovp at gmail.com> wrote: Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is a hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are there just waiting for the right person to put it back together properly. One just sold at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. There was a guy that lived in Roseburg Oregon that had a Pantera at one time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz or some name similar. Any way kinda cool. Paul Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:rimovp at gmail.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 4 22:21:25 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:21:25 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 351 Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53169835.6010506@asajay.com> I've usually picked them up for about $250 from the local pull-it-yourself yard, but I've not grabbed one in ages. I -did- recently pay $250 for a set of 4V quench heads, a 4V cast iron intake and original 4V exhaust manifolds used on Mustangs, from a local friend. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/4/2014 5:03 PM, [4]michael at michaelshortt.com wrote: What's the going rate for 351 salvage engines by year or variety? 70 351 2V 70 351 4V 71 351 2V 71 351 4V 71 351 Boss 351M Other years? Worth stock piling? Michael _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [7]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3705/6652 - Release Date: 03/04/14 References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. http://www.avg.com/ From fresnofinches at aol.com Tue Mar 4 23:55:56 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 23:55:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 351 Engines Message-ID: <8D10646543D5B8E-2AE0-7E70@webmail-d227.sysops.aol.com> Five or so years ago, a friend gave me a block and crank. Then, a few years ago, I started regularly checking Craigs List. I prefer obtaining things like this from someone who has already done the hard removal process. I'm sure they are still in the Pick-a-Part lots here abouts, but that is a lot of labor for a just-in-case block. In the span of a year or so, I gathered three 2-bolt main blocks I believe to be standard bore, two cranks, and a pair of open chamber heads. I think my total outlay was $200 - $250. I still occasionally check for blocks, but with four already out in the shed, not checking regularly. But it seems they are not too common these days. YMMV Larry -------------- next part -------------- Five or so years ago, a friend gave me a block and crank. Then, a few years ago, I started regularly checking Craigs List. I prefer obtaining things like this from someone who has already done the hard removal process. I'm sure they are still in the Pick-a-Part lots here abouts, but that is a lot of labor for a just-in-case block. In the span of a year or so, I gathered three 2-bolt main blocks I believe to be standard bore, two cranks, and a pair of open chamber heads. I think my total outlay was $200 - $250. I still occasionally check for blocks, but with four already out in the shed, not checking regularly. But it seems they are not too common these days. YMMV Larry From tmshinro at aol.com Wed Mar 5 09:58:45 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:58:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Corvette extraction Message-ID: <8D1069A8A516776-2D54-1A3A@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com> This video showing the extraction of the 62 vette that fell into the sinkhole at the Corvette museum was on the Hemmings blog this morning. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2014/03/04/recovery-crews-lift-1962-corvette-from-national-corvette-museum-sinkhole/?refer=news At the 2:10 mark you see there is a pedestal sign in the foreground near the edge of floor at the top of the stairs on the right but you can't make out what it says. At the 2:37 mark you can see what it says. Intentional or cruelly ironic? Tom 5186 -------------- next part -------------- This video showing the extraction of the 62 vette that fell into the sinkhole at the Corvette museum was on the Hemmings blog this morning. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2014/03/04/recovery-crews-lift-1962- corvette-from-national-corvette-museum-sinkhole/?refer=news At the 2:10 mark you see there is a pedestal sign in the foreground near the edge of floor at the top of the stairs on the right but you can't make out what it says. At the 2:37 mark you can see what it says. Intentional or cruelly ironic? Tom 5186 From michael at michaelshortt.com Wed Mar 5 12:35:43 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing Message-ID: Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? Thanks, Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? Thanks, Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [1]www.michaelshortt.com [2]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From tecnosound at hotmail.com Wed Mar 5 12:54:42 2014 From: tecnosound at hotmail.com (James coyne) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:54:42 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: here's 20 seconds worth to get you started "This type of financing is aggressively priced with the lender seeking a return in the 20-30 % range." From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? Thanks, Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- here's 20 seconds worth to get you started "This type of financing is aggressively priced with the lender seeking a return in the 20-30 % range." From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? Thanks, Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From dave at damardirect.com Wed Mar 5 14:02:39 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:02:39 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: My desk is nice on the open road! IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:07 PM To: levitt1946 Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Melanie Disco Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. 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Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From dave at damardirect.com Wed Mar 5 14:04:14 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:04:14 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com>, Message-ID: Well said Julian! IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:38 PM To: Boyd Casey; levitt1946 Cc: De Tomaso List; Melanie Disco Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. Julian Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION .....HANDLES > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online > > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last > -50 > -years#slide-18 > Michael Shortt > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-50 > -years#slide-18 > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tcabanski at tencom.com Wed Mar 5 14:09:35 2014 From: tcabanski at tencom.com (Tom Cabanski) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:09:35 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] 1974 Camel GT Challenge Decal DeTomaso Pantera Card 2 RARE Racing Items EC | eBay Message-ID: <55603F31EF582D40BE08959AE0D33B11012216DF@tcserver.tencom.local> Anyone aware of this brown Pantera featured in this ebay ad? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-CAMEL-GT-CHALLENGE-NOS-DECAL-DeTOMASO-PANTE RA-CARD-2-RARE-RACING-ITEMS-EC-/371014863815?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_ Accessories&hash=item5662358bc7&vxp=mtr -------------- next part -------------- Anyone aware of this brown Pantera featured in this ebay ad? [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-CAMEL-GT-CHALLENGE-NOS-DECAL-DeTOMASO-P ANTERA-CARD-2-RARE-RACING-ITEMS-EC-/371014863815?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_P arts_Accessories&hash=item5662358bc7&vxp=mtr References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-CAMEL-GT-CHALLENGE-NOS-DECAL-DeTOMASO-PANTERA-CARD-2-RARE-RACING-ITEMS-EC-/371014863815?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5662358bc7&vxp=mtr From dave at damardirect.com Wed Mar 5 14:09:47 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:09:47 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: I agree the Muria should be there, not F40 or NSX. The 60s Continental convertible was pretty cool in the day. I think the point is that ask twenty people for the 50 coolest & you get no two lists alike. Just like us. -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:11 PM To: michael at michaelshortt.com Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online I'm am certainly not a "hater" , I just don't see the point in consolidating these particular 50 cars into the group they are in. I certainly agree that the Pantera is on of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years but as far as some of the others on the list go I would strongly disagree. I have always liked the early 60's continental convertible but I don't think it's among the 50 coolest, nor the Miata. The Citroen SM had many advanced features but I never thought of it as particularly "cool". What happened to The Lamborghini Muria, the F-40, the NSX those 3 should certainly be in any list of coo cars of the last 50 years. In my opinion the article was a mish mosh of cars. Some unique some quite common and a few Like our favorite very cool. But as far as a comprehensive list of the 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years I for one think the author missed the mark. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Julian, > > The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our > car being called a "Redneck Supercar" > > In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 > post lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. > > Michael > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > >> Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people >> who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and >> then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. >> >> As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past >> 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a >> milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal >> opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic company >> in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I dropped >> my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera made this >> list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an iconic design >> and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight and sound of a >> Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. >> >> Julian >> >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 >> From: boyd411 at gmail.com >> To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com >> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >> >> >> What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race cars >> with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As usual >> of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: >> >> > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST >> > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION >> > .....HANDLES >> >> >> > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . >> > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: >> >> >> > >> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >> > Terry W. Himes >> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >> >> >> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> >> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> >> > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >> >> >> > > >> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >> >> >> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" >> > > >> >> >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >> > >> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-5 >> > 0 >> >> >> > -years#slide-18 >> > Michael Shortt >> > -- >> > Michael L. Shortt >> > Savannah, Georgia >> > www.michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > michael at michaelshortt.com >> > 912-232-9390 >> >> >> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >> > hereby >> >> >> > notified >> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >> > that you >> > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank >> > you >> >> >> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >> > Terry W. Himes >> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >> >> >> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> >> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" >> >> >> > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> >> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >> > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> >> >> >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >> > >> > >> > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-las >> > t >> >> >> > -50 >> > -years#slide-18 >> > Michael Shortt >> > -- >> > Michael L. Shortt >> > Savannah, Georgia >> > www.michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com >> > 912-232-9390 >> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications >> > Privacy >> >> >> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> > privileged. 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Thank you >> > References >> >> >> > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >> > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >> > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >> > 6. >> > >> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last-5 >> > 0 >> >> >> > -years#slide-18 >> > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at poca.com >> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> > >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at poca.com >> >> >> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum >> Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, > 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank > you > From dave at damardirect.com Wed Mar 5 14:11:34 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:11:34 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <7a915.5454f883.40476c84@aol.com> Message-ID: How could you forget the Sunbeam Tiger? -----Original Message----- From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:42 PM To: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Road & Track online ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" Date: Mar 4, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online To: "boyd casey" Cc: I was referring to the phrase "Redneck Supercar". Only people who say stuff like that are just jealous or ignorant. What is a GT40, Cobra, Bizarinni, Iso Griffo, Jensen Interceptor, Rover 3500, TR8, Range Rover, ...all cars with European styling and American Horsepower. On Mar 4, 2014 3:10 PM, "Boyd Casey" wrote: > I'm am certainly not a "hater" , I just don't see the point in > consolidating these particular 50 cars into the group they are in. I > certainly agree that the Pantera is on of the 51 coolest cars of the > last > 50 years but as far as some of the others on the list go I would > strongly disagree. I have always liked the early 60's continental > convertible but I don't think it's among the 50 coolest, nor the > Miata. The Citroen SM had many advanced features but I never thought of it as particularly "cool". > What happened to The Lamborghini Muria, the F-40, the NSX those 3 > should certainly be in any list of coo cars of the last 50 years. In > my opinion the article was a mish mosh of cars. Some unique some quite > common and a few Like our favorite very cool. But as far as a > comprehensive list of the > 51 coolest cars of the last 50 years I for one think the author missed > the mark. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < > michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > >> Julian, >> >> The comment of the topic wasn't the car, it was the reference of our >> car being called a "Redneck Supercar" >> >> In regard to the list, I'd need a 10,000 sq. ft warehouse and 25 4 >> post lifts, I'd like them all. Proud to be in that company. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >>> Well what a bunch of haters this list appears to have become; people >>> who cannot understand when Pantera's aren't flavor of the month and >>> then also not happy when they get press or sales prices rise. >>> >>> As the title of the article said it is "51 coolest cars of the past >>> 50 years", which appears to be a list of cars that were each a >>> milestone in motoring history. Yes it's down to a writer's personal >>> opinion, but in all honesty there's some damn good and iconic >>> company in that list, many of which I'd own if I could long before I >>> dropped my money on a Pantera. I think the fact that the Pantera >>> made this list at all is testament to Tom Tjaarda for penning an >>> iconic design and as someone said in an earlier post today the sight >>> and sound of a Pantera rumbling down the street still turns heads 50 years later, that is what the article is all about. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:07:09 -0500 >>> From: boyd411 at gmail.com >>> To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com >>> CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >>> >>> >>> What's the point os a list of cars that includes open wheel race >>> cars with mazda Miatas and ford broncos. I for one don't get it. As >>> usual of bunch of crap that is meaningless written by a bunch of guys that drive desks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, wrote: >>> >>> > SUPERCAR....SEX....TIMELESS BEAUTY.....BEST >>> > VALUE......QUALITY.....ENGINEERED HANDBUILT PERFECTION >>> > .....HANDLES >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > LIKE A DREAM AND WILL OUT HANDLE ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TODAY . >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > In a message dated 3/4/2014 12:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >>> > Terry W. Himes >>> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >>> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >>> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" >>> > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >>> > >>> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last- >>> > 50 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -years#slide-18 >>> > Michael Shortt >>> > -- >>> > Michael L. Shortt >>> > Savannah, Georgia >>> > www.michaelshortt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > 912-232-9390 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>> > hereby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > notified >>> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>> > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>> > that you >>> > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank >>> > you >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Redneck Supercar? Really? Please. >>> > Terry W. Himes >>> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >>> > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team >>> > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> > Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> > From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> >>> > Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:04 AM >>> > To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online >>> > >>> > >>> > [6]http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-la >>> > st >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -50 >>> > -years#slide-18 >>> > Michael Shortt >>> > -- >>> > Michael L. Shortt >>> > Savannah, Georgia >>> > www.michaelshortt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > [7]michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > 912-232-9390 >>> > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications >>> > Privacy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>> > hereby >>> > notified >>> > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying >>> > of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > this >>> > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>> > that >>> > you >>> > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>> > References >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >>> > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >>> > 6. >>> > >>> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/51coolest/51-coolest-cars-of-the-last- >>> > 50 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -years#slide-18 >>> > 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > DeTomaso mailing list >>> > DeTomaso at poca.com >>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> > >>> > DeTomaso mailing list >>> > DeTomaso at poca.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum >>> Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> www.michaelshortt.com >> michael at michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, >> 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying >> of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the >> sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. >> Thank you >> > > From sedond at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 14:20:23 2014 From: sedond at yahoo.com (doug sedon) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:20:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> redneck supercar?? the car maybe not.? but the owners?? absolutely!? i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks.? i own #2602 in spite of it!? ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 -------------- next part -------------- redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? absolutely! i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 From steve at snclocks.com Wed Mar 5 14:20:54 2014 From: steve at snclocks.com (Stephen Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:20:54 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In-Reply-To: <1393915726.52377.YahooMailNeo@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <5501b.64898b23.4026face@aol.com> <806CC88FE04E4A62B9F4C62048615BFD@XPS> <1393629539.93046.YahooMailNeo@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1393883380.75874.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1393915726.52377.YahooMailNeo@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate tire sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's: 215/60 15's for the front and 255/60 15's for the rear. Then I get a call from Tire Rack - to tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on the car. Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires. So, do they have tires they can recommend? Long pause. Uh, no. So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is equivalent to the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series. Again, long pause, and, well, he doesn't know. I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see what light he can shed on the call. Or if he will even call back. Stephen Nelson SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists Contact Lists Click here for our new Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for my new blog on finding happiness in retirement -------------- next part -------------- After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate tire sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's: 215/60 15's for the front and 255/60 15's for the rear. Then I get a call from Tire Rack - to tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on the car. Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires. So, do they have tires they can recommend? Long pause. Uh, no. So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is equivalent to the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series. Again, long pause, and, well, he doesn't know. I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see what light he can shed on the call. Or if he will even call back. Stephen Nelson [1]SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References 1. http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 5 14:36:46 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:36:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires Message-ID: <3ae11.39d6d9ab.4048d6d4@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/14 11 22 13, steve at snclocks.com writes: > After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate tire > sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's:? 215/60 15's for > the > front and 255/60 15's for the rear.? Then I get a call from Tire Rack - to > tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on the car. > Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires.? So, do they have > tires they can recommend??? Long pause.? Uh, no.? > > > > So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion > charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is equivalent > to > the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series.? Again, long pause, and, well, > he > doesn't know. > > > > I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see what > light he can shed on the call.? Or if he will even call back. > >>>Tell the guy at the other end of the phone to pound sand. The Pantera originally came with *70* series tires, then later (1972) switches to C-60-15 and H-60-15 (exactly the sizes you ordered). 50-series tires weren't available on the Pantera until much later (late 1970s). The drone on the end of the phone was trying to be helful, but you know better. :>) Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/5/14 11 22 13, steve at snclocks.com writes: After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate tire sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's: 215/60 15's for the front and 255/60 15's for the rear. Then I get a call from Tire Rack - to tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on the car. Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires. So, do they have tires they can recommend? Long pause. Uh, no. So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is equivalent to the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series. Again, long pause, and, well, he doesn't know. I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see what light he can shed on the call. Or if he will even call back. >>>Tell the guy at the other end of the phone to pound sand. The Pantera originally came with *70* series tires, then later (1972) switches to C-60-15 and H-60-15 (exactly the sizes you ordered). 50-series tires weren't available on the Pantera until much later (late 1970s). The drone on the end of the phone was trying to be helful, but you know better. :>) Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 5 14:42:05 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:42:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 1974 Camel GT Challenge Decal DeTomaso Pantera Card 2 RARE Racing Items EC | eBay Message-ID: <3b242.52676768.4048d812@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/14 11 11 44, tcabanski at tencom.com writes: > Anyone aware of this brown Pantera featured in this ebay ad? > >>>It was used as the pace car at some Camel GT races on the east coast in the early 1970s. I don't know if the car travelled from race to race or was confined just to a single track though? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/5/14 11 11 44, tcabanski at tencom.com writes: Anyone aware of this brown Pantera featured in this ebay ad? >>>It was used as the pace car at some Camel GT races on the east coast in the early 1970s. I don't know if the car travelled from race to race or was confined just to a single track though? Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 5 14:42:07 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:42:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Message-ID: <3b24a.3a59ca94.4048d815@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/14 13 44 1, rimovp at gmail.com writes: > Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is a > hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are there just > waiting for the right person to put it back together properly. One just sold > at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. > >>>There is some Pantera (or at least De Tomaso) content here; the car in question is an Intermechannica Omega (hardtop version of the Italia), and by sheer coincidence the Bonham's car was purchased by Fred Phillips of Calgary, owner of the Mangusta Spyder and several other noteworthy De Tomaso cars. > >There was a guy that lived in Roseburg Oregon that had a Pantera at one > time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz or some name similar. Any way > kinda cool. > >>>His first name was Santo; I can't remember his last name? Haven't seen or heard of him in many years now. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/4/14 13 44 1, rimovp at gmail.com writes: Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is a hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are there just waiting for the right person to put it back together properly. One just sold at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. >>>There is some Pantera (or at least De Tomaso) content here; the car in question is an Intermechannica Omega (hardtop version of the Italia), and by sheer coincidence the Bonham's car was purchased by Fred Phillips of Calgary, owner of the Mangusta Spyder and several other noteworthy De Tomaso cars. >There was a guy that lived in Roseburg Oregon that had a Pantera at one time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz or some name similar. Any way kinda cool. >>>His first name was Santo; I can't remember his last name? Haven't seen or heard of him in many years now. Mike From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Wed Mar 5 15:50:55 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 15:50:55 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My hair's turning white, My neck's always been red, My collar's still blue, We've always been here Just trying to sing the truth to you. Guess you could say We've always been, Red, White, and Blue Lynard Skynard Larry - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of doug sedon Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 2:20 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online redneck supercar?? the car maybe not.? but the owners?? absolutely!? i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks.? i own #2602 in spite of it!? ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 15:51:50 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:51:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] R/T Pantera 4 Sale: 3271 Message-ID: <4082B20B4B1B41C996AFAD3570DFB7C5@BOSS3A> There is a Road/Track Pantera for sale at PI Motorsports (www.pim.net ). It is even currently street registered (April). Painted red, white and blue. Dick Drenske's old car Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- There is a Road/Track Pantera for sale at PI Motorsports ([1]www.pim.net). It is even currently street registered (April). Painted red, white and blue. Dick Drenske's old car Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.pim.net/ 2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 15:53:19 2014 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:53:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In-Reply-To: <3ae11.39d6d9ab.4048d6d4@aol.com> References: <3ae11.39d6d9ab.4048d6d4@aol.com> Message-ID: <1394052799.26600.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ ??: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? In a message dated 3/5/14 11 22 13, steve at snclocks.com writes: ? ? After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate ? ? tire ? ? sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's:? 215/60 15's ? ? for the ? ? front and 255/60 15's for the rear.? Then I get a call from Tire ? ? Rack - to ? ? tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on ? ? the car. ? ? Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires.? So, do they ? ? have ? ? tires they can recommend?? Long pause.? Uh, no. ? ? So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the ? ? conversion ? ? charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is ? ? equivalent to ? ? the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series.? Again, long pause, and, ? ? well, he ? ? doesn't know. ? ? I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see ? ? what ? ? light he can shed on the call.? Or if he will even call back. ? >>>Tell the guy at the other end of the phone to pound sand. ? The Pantera originally came with *70* series tires, then later (1972) ? switches to C-60-15 and H-60-15 (exactly the sizes you ordered). ? 50-series tires weren't available on the Pantera until much later (late ? 1970s). ? The drone on the end of the phone was trying to be helful, but you know ? better. :>) ? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- : "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In a message dated 3/5/14 11 22 13, [1]steve at snclocks.com writes: After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate tire sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's: 215/60 15's for the front and 255/60 15's for the rear. Then I get a call from Tire Rack - to tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on the car. Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires. So, do they have tires they can recommend? Long pause. Uh, no. So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is equivalent to the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series. Again, long pause, and, well, he doesn't know. I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see what light he can shed on the call. Or if he will even call back. >>>Tell the guy at the other end of the phone to pound sand. The Pantera originally came with *70* series tires, then later (1972) switches to C-60-15 and H-60-15 (exactly the sizes you ordered). 50-series tires weren't available on the Pantera until much later (late 1970s). The drone on the end of the phone was trying to be helful, but you know better. :>) Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:steve at snclocks.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 16:07:12 2014 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <5501b.64898b23.4026face@aol.com> <806CC88FE04E4A62B9F4C62048615BFD@XPS> <1393629539.93046.YahooMailNeo@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1393883380.75874.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1393915726.52377.YahooMailNeo@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1394053632.72568.YahooMailNeo@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I had 50 series T/As,?BFGs on my 1970 Corvette? back in 1972! Just tell the guy Look, this is what I want! Never mind what I'm going to put them on! Good Luck ________________________________ From: Stephen Nelson To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires ? After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate ? tire sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's:? 215/60 ? 15's for the front and 255/60 15's for the rear.? Then I get a call ? from Tire Rack - to tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was ? originally on the car.? Their computer tells them that it had 50 series ? tires.? So, do they have tires they can recommend?? Long pause.? Uh, ? no. ? So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion ? charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is ? equivalent to the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series.? Again, long ? pause, and, well, he doesn't know. ? I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see ? what light he can shed on the call.? Or if he will even call back. ? Stephen Nelson ? [1]SNClocks.com ? Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists ? Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries ? Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References ? 1. http://www.snclocks.com/ ? 2. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html ? 3. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 ? 4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I had 50 series T/As, BFGs on my 1970 Corvette back in 1972! Just tell the guy Look, this is what I want! Never mind what I'm going to put them on! Good Luck From: Stephen Nelson To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 15 Tires After digesting all the great feedback on this forum on appropriate tire sizes I bit the bullet and ordered, online, some T/A's: 215/60 15's for the front and 255/60 15's for the rear. Then I get a call from Tire Rack - to tell me I am not ordering tires that match what was originally on the car. Their computer tells them that it had 50 series tires. So, do they have tires they can recommend? Long pause. Uh, no. So I ask if they made 50 series tires back in '73 - all the conversion charts I can find indicate the lowest current profile that is equivalent to the tire sizes in the '73 is a 60 series. Again, long pause, and, well, he doesn't know. I have a call into their Retail sales manager, be interesting to see what light he can shed on the call. Or if he will even call back. Stephen Nelson [1]SNClocks.com Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement References 1. [1]http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. [2]http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. [3]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-S teves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. [4]http://www.perfectoldman.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.snclocks.com/ 2. http://fs19.formsite.com/kagforms/form675003155/index.html 3. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Hammered-Dulcimers/About-Steves-Dulcimers/19824807_4sHGgj#1558377542_LKmkrT7 4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/ 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 16:19:44 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 16:19:44 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of junk. And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon wrote: > redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? absolutely! i > have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many > freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) > doug s., > commie pinko owner of #2602 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of junk. And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon <[1]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? absolutely! i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 5 17:16:37 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 17:16:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5 S AmeriSport VIN # Update of 3/3/14 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/14 9 17 2, montana at montanas.com writes: > I found the VIN Plate from the Factory of my AmeriSport 1987 GT5 S. > #:? ZDT874000GA009459 > >>>Hmm, interesting! I had quite forgotten that towards the tail end of production, De Tomaso changed the front part of their numbering scheme. I knew the Pantera Si used a slightly different setup but forgot that the late GT5-S did as well. Most Panteras have a VIN that starts with THPN. For instance, the first GT5-S (Charlie McCall's car) is THPNCA09375. TH: De Tomaso Modena PN: Pantera C: Year of production (1985 in this case) A: Month of production (I can't remember) 09375: sequential build number (which started either with 1000 or 1001). But as the various nations of the world insisted on more characters in the VIN, evidently the numbering scheme changed. I just didn't remember it had changed early enough to capture the later GT5-S cars. > >After reviewing prior posts, I am now confident that this Pantera is a > "9000" Series GT5. > >>>Specifically, yours is #9459 (GT5-S, not 'just' a GT5). Carry that with pride! :>) > >Again, thanks to all for the info on the Targa and the GT5 Serial # > questions. > >>>Okay, so how about some photos of your car? :>) Cheers! Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/3/14 9 17 2, montana at montanas.com writes: I found the VIN Plate from the Factory of my AmeriSport 1987 GT5 S. #: ZDT874000GA009459 >>>Hmm, interesting! I had quite forgotten that towards the tail end of production, De Tomaso changed the front part of their numbering scheme. I knew the Pantera Si used a slightly different setup but forgot that the late GT5-S did as well. Most Panteras have a VIN that starts with THPN. For instance, the first GT5-S (Charlie McCall's car) is THPNCA09375. TH: De Tomaso Modena PN: Pantera C: Year of production (1985 in this case) A: Month of production (I can't remember) 09375: sequential build number (which started either with 1000 or 1001). But as the various nations of the world insisted on more characters in the VIN, evidently the numbering scheme changed. I just didn't remember it had changed early enough to capture the later GT5-S cars. >After reviewing prior posts, I am now confident that this Pantera is a "9000" Series GT5. >>>Specifically, yours is #9459 (GT5-S, not 'just' a GT5). Carry that with pride! :>) >Again, thanks to all for the info on the Targa and the GT5 Serial # questions. >>>Okay, so how about some photos of your car? :>) Cheers! Mike From knottsj at galstar.com Wed Mar 5 17:21:10 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 16:21:10 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5317A356.5080603@galstar.com> Boyd, Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. jerry On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse > the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of > the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most > substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one > of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool > cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch > of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab > although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people > used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these > "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear > any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual > value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value > of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas > and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and > 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in > calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% > reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over > 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of > junk. > And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I > don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they > didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many > of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry > from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon <[1]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: > > redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? > absolutely! i > have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so > many > freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) > doug s., > commie pinko owner of #2602 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [2]DeTomaso at poca.com > [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com > 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Boyd, Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. jerry On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of junk. And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon [1]<[1]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? absolutely! i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [[2]2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3][3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. 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[6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[1]sedond at yahoo.com 2. mailto:2]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 4. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 18:07:01 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 15:07:01 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta 4 Sale: 8MA812 Message-ID: <78CE8BA5395F4D34A1EA7AE8450BBA79@BOSS3A> A Mangusta is on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cars-Trucks-/6001/i.html?_from=R40 &_nkw=mangusta&_vxp=mtr Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- A Mangusta is on eBay: [1]http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cars-Trucks-/6001/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mang usta&_vxp=mtr Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cars-Trucks-/6001/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mangusta&_vxp=mtr 2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From rgg at gregorycook.com Wed Mar 5 20:22:45 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 01:22:45 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mezzanine financing is debt financing that carries a higher risk than a traditional bank loan; as such it carries a much higher interest rate, often with an equity kicker (i.e. warrants). It falls between the lowest risk, bank financing and the highest risk, equity financing hence the term mezzanine. Gray -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of James coyne Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 11:55 AM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing here's 20 seconds worth to get you started "This type of financing is aggressively priced with the lender seeking a return in the 20-30 % range." From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? Thanks, Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 5 20:43:13 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 01:43:13 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: So, generally speaking, from an investor's standpoint - is it worth the risk? ---BILL (getting 2% on CD's) Lewis > From: rgg at gregorycook.com > To: tecnosound at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 01:22:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > Mezzanine financing is debt financing that carries a higher risk than a traditional bank loan; as such it carries a much higher interest rate, often with an equity kicker (i.e. warrants). It falls between the lowest risk, bank financing and the highest risk, equity financing hence the term mezzanine. > > Gray > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of James coyne > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 11:55 AM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > here's 20 seconds worth to get you started "This type of financing is aggressively priced with the lender seeking a return in the 20-30 % range." > > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have > 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? > > Thanks, > > Michael Shortt > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- So, generally speaking, from an investor's standpoint - is it worth the risk? ---BILL (getting 2% on CD's) Lewis > From: rgg at gregorycook.com > To: tecnosound at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 01:22:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > Mezzanine financing is debt financing that carries a higher risk than a traditional bank loan; as such it carries a much higher interest rate, often with an equity kicker (i.e. warrants). It falls between the lowest risk, bank financing and the highest risk, equity financing hence the term mezzanine. > > Gray > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of James coyne > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 11:55 AM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > here's 20 seconds worth to get you started "This type of financing is aggressively priced with the lender seeking a return in the 20-30 % range." > > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have > 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? > > Thanks, > > Michael Shortt > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rgg at gregorycook.com Wed Mar 5 21:16:46 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 02:16:46 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: In the investment world mezzanine money is usually considered dumb money; however done with proper discipline there have been plenty of people that have done quite well. gray -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:43 PM To: James coyne; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing So, generally speaking, from an investor's standpoint - is it worth the risk? ---BILL (getting 2% on CD's) Lewis > From: rgg at gregorycook.com > To: tecnosound at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 01:22:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > Mezzanine financing is debt financing that carries a higher risk than a traditional bank loan; as such it carries a much higher interest rate, often with an equity kicker (i.e. warrants). It falls between the lowest risk, bank financing and the highest risk, equity financing hence the term mezzanine. > > Gray > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of James coyne > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 11:55 AM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > here's 20 seconds worth to get you started "This type of financing is aggressively priced with the lender seeking a return in the 20-30 % range." > > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:35:43 -0500 > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Mezzanine Financing > > Are there any creative or business financing types out there who would have > 10 minutes to give me a primer on the subject? > > Thanks, > > Michael Shortt > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From adin at frontier.net Thu Mar 6 09:06:44 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:06:44 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Bring_a_Trailer_=C2=BB_1969_DeTomaso_?= =?utf-8?q?Mangusta?= References: Message-ID: <7D9963EE-5226-4B29-8696-1DE67E8CA791@frontier.net> Sent from my little handheld gizmo. Begin forwarded message: > From: David > Date: March 6, 2014, 6:20:00 AM MST > To: panteras at poca.net > Subject: Bring a Trailer ? 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta > > > http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/05/1969-detomaso-mangusta/ > > > Sent from my little handheld gizmo. -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my little handheld gizmo. Begin forwarded message: From: David <[1]adin at frontier.net> Date: March 6, 2014, 6:20:00 AM MST To: [2]panteras at poca.net Subject: Bring a Trailer >> 1969 DeTomaso Mangusta [3]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/05/1969-detomaso-mangusta/ Sent from my little handheld gizmo. References 1. mailto:adin at frontier.net 2. mailto:panteras at poca.net 3. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/05/1969-detomaso-mangusta/ From boyd411 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 11:41:13 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 11:41:13 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <5317A356.5080603@galstar.com> References: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5317A356.5080603@galstar.com> Message-ID: The interesting thing is that we hardly ever got Volvo's in on trade. Back in the days I was in dealerships (80's -2005) most Volvo owners seemed to buy their cars new and keep them forever. You know Volvo was always advertising their 400,00 - 1, 000,000 cars. The typical Volvo buyer (back in the Volvo "Cube" ere was the pipe smoking, pencil caddy , slide rule guy who knew every specification and was not inclined to buy "someone Else's problems " Which was the famous excuse for not buying a used car. I have owned a few over the years because they were well made, safe, and REALLY CHEAP! and they really were good for a few hundred thousand miles. I once threw a rod half way between NY and Newport RI in the middle of the night (around 100 miles to go to make it home to Newport) They car made it home running on 3 cylinders with a hole in the block! If I remember correctly it was an 89 740 which was one of the top of the line models. I always like the Volvo 1800 the Roger Moore drove on the TV show "The saint" they looked great but didn't really run as well as they looked! On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > Boyd, > Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. > jerry > On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse > the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of > the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most > substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one > of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool > cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch > of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab > although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people > used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these > "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear > any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual > value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value > of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas > and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and > 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in > calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% > reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over > 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of > junk. > And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I > don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they > didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many > of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry > from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon [1]<[1]sedond at yahoo.com> > wrote: > > redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? > absolutely! i > have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so > many > freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) > doug s., > commie pinko owner of #2602 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [[2]2]DeTomaso at poca.com > [3][3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. [4]mailto:sedond at yahoo.com > 2. [5]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 3. [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:[1]sedond at yahoo.com > 2. mailto:2]DeTomaso at poca.com > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 4. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- The interesting thing is that we hardly ever got Volvo's in on trade. Back in the days I was in dealerships (80's -2005) most Volvo owners seemed to buy their cars new and keep them forever. You know Volvo was always advertising their 400,00 - 1, 000,000 cars. The typical Volvo buyer (back in the Volvo "Cube" ere was the pipe smoking, pencil caddy , slide rule guy who knew every specification and was not inclined to buy "someone Else's problems " Which was the famous excuse for not buying a used car. I have owned a few over the years because they were well made, safe, and REALLY CHEAP! and they really were good for a few hundred thousand miles. I once threw a rod half way between NY and Newport RI in the middle of the night (around 100 miles to go to make it home to Newport) They car made it home running on 3 cylinders with a hole in the block! If I remember correctly it was an 89 740 which was one of the top of the line models. I always like the Volvo 1800 the Roger Moore drove on the TV show "The saint" they looked great but didn't really run as well as they looked! On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: Boyd, Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. jerry On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of junk. And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon [1]<[1][2]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? absolutely! i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [[2]2][3]DeTomaso at poca.com [3][3][4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [4]mailto:[5]sedond at yahoo.com 2. [5]mailto:[6]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. [6][7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][8]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[1][10]sedond at yahoo.com 2. mailto:[11]2][12]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 4. mailto:[14]sedond at yahoo.com 5. mailto:[15]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:[17]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [19]DeTomaso at poca.com [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 2. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 11. mailto:2 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 11:44:28 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 11:44:28 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC In-Reply-To: <3b24a.3a59ca94.4048d815@aol.com> References: <3b24a.3a59ca94.4048d815@aol.com> Message-ID: There were only around 500 or 600 intermaccinia Italia's made so they are quite rare and the prices have been going up substantially. I would love to get my hands on a spyder. Boyd On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 3/4/14 13 44 1, rimovp at gmail.com writes: > > Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is > a hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are > there just waiting for the right person to put it back together > properly. One just sold at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. > > >>>There is some Pantera (or at least De Tomaso) content here; the car > in question is an Intermechannica Omega (hardtop version of the > Italia), and by sheer coincidence the Bonham's car was purchased by > Fred Phillips of Calgary, owner of the Mangusta Spyder and several > other noteworthy De Tomaso cars. > > >There was a guy that lived in Roseburg Oregon that had a Pantera at > one time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz or some name similar. > Any way kinda cool. > > >>>His first name was Santo; I can't remember his last name? Haven't > seen or heard of him in many years now. > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- There were only around 500 or 600 intermaccinia Italia's made so they are quite rare and the prices have been going up substantially. I would love to get my hands on a spyder. Boyd On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:42 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/4/14 13 44 1, [2]rimovp at gmail.com writes: Kinda of an interesting project car up for auction on EBay. There is a hard top intermaccinia Italia that looks like all the parts are there just waiting for the right person to put it back together properly. One just sold at a Bonnans Auction for $89k. >>>There is some Pantera (or at least De Tomaso) content here; the car in question is an Intermechannica Omega (hardtop version of the Italia), and by sheer coincidence the Bonham's car was purchased by Fred Phillips of Calgary, owner of the Mangusta Spyder and several other noteworthy De Tomaso cars. >There was a guy that lived in Roseburg Oregon that had a Pantera at one time then got a couple of Italias, Sandoz or some name similar. Any way kinda cool. >>>His first name was Santo; I can't remember his last name? Haven't seen or heard of him in many years now. Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:rimovp at gmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 6 14:08:44 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:08:44 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5317A356.5080603@galstar.com> Message-ID: Shooting a commercial today in Savannah, had TWO Volvos picked as picture cars ( to appear onscreen ). 7:30 a.m., picked it up and it left me stranded in the ghetto between the dealer's lot and the shooting location. Bad Water pump. 9:45 a.m., called my back up Volvo on standby to please come to the shooting location at the last minute, he calls back in 10 minutes, it won't start. Lost earnings today as a result of Volvos being a Piece of $#@^ $750.00 Michael Shortt On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: > The interesting thing is that we hardly ever got Volvo's in on trade. > Back in the days I was in dealerships (80's -2005) most Volvo owners > seemed to buy their cars new and keep them forever. You know Volvo was > always advertising their 400,00 - 1, 000,000 cars. The typical Volvo > buyer (back in the Volvo "Cube" ere was the pipe smoking, pencil caddy > , slide rule guy who knew every specification and was not inclined to > buy "someone Else's problems " Which was the famous excuse for not > buying a used car. I have owned a few over the years because they were > well made, safe, and REALLY CHEAP! and they really were good for a few > hundred thousand miles. I once threw a rod half way between NY and > Newport RI in the middle of the night (around 100 miles to go to make > it home to Newport) They car made it home running on 3 cylinders with a > hole in the block! If I remember correctly it was an 89 740 which was > one of the top of the line models. I always like the Volvo 1800 the > Roger Moore drove on the TV show "The saint" they looked great but > didn't really run as well as they looked! > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> > wrote: > > Boyd, > Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. > jerry > > On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse > the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some > of > the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most > substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a > "one > of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool > cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest > stretch > of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab > although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people > used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of > these > "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to > hear > any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest > residual > value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value > value > of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas > and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 > and > 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis > in > calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% > reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value > over > 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of > junk. > And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. > I > don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that > they > didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. > Many > of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far > cry > from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon > [1]<[1][2]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: > redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? > absolutely! i > have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so > many > freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) > doug s., > commie pinko owner of #2602 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [[2]2][3]DeTomaso at poca.com > [3][3][4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [4]mailto:[5]sedond at yahoo.com > 2. [5]mailto:[6]DeTomaso at poca.com > 3. 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Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Shooting a commercial today in Savannah, had TWO Volvos picked as picture cars ( to appear onscreen ). 7:30 a.m., picked it up and it left me stranded in the ghetto between the dealer's lot and the shooting location. Bad Water pump. 9:45 a.m., called my back up Volvo on standby to please come to the shooting location at the last minute, he calls back in 10 minutes, it won't start. Lost earnings today as a result of Volvos being a Piece of $#@^ $750.00 Michael Shortt On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: The interesting thing is that we hardly ever got Volvo's in on trade. Back in the days I was in dealerships (80's -2005) most Volvo owners seemed to buy their cars new and keep them forever. You know Volvo was always advertising their 400,00 - 1, 000,000 cars. The typical Volvo buyer (back in the Volvo "Cube" ere was the pipe smoking, pencil caddy , slide rule guy who knew every specification and was not inclined to buy "someone Else's problems " Which was the famous excuse for not buying a used car. I have owned a few over the years because they were well made, safe, and REALLY CHEAP! and they really were good for a few hundred thousand miles. I once threw a rod half way between NY and Newport RI in the middle of the night (around 100 miles to go to make it home to Newport) They car made it home running on 3 cylinders with a hole in the block! If I remember correctly it was an 89 740 which was one of the top of the line models. I always like the Volvo 1800 the Roger Moore drove on the TV show "The saint" they looked great but didn't really run as well as they looked! On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1][2]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: Boyd, Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. jerry On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of junk. And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon [1]<[1][2][3]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? absolutely! i have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so many freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) doug s., commie pinko owner of #2602 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [[2]2][3][4]DeTomaso at poca.com [3][3][4][5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [4]mailto:[5][6]sedond at yahoo.com 2. [5]mailto:[6][7]DeTomaso at poca.com 3. 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Thank you References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 3. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 22. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 25. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 30. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 31. mailto:2 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 34. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 39. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 40. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 41. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 42. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 43. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 44. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Mar 6 14:11:31 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:11:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC (Omega, Italia and Torino) Message-ID: Hi guys, Reposted for Mike Gilmore. (I guess he can't post directly for some reason?) Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Reposted for Mike Gilmore. (I guess he can't post directly for some reason?) Mike -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Mike Gilmore" Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 13:01:35 -0600 Size: 4641 URL: From boyd411 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 15:46:23 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:46:23 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <1394047223.49279.YahooMailNeo@web120104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5317A356.5080603@galstar.com> Message-ID: But they are safe! It's virtually impossible to be killed in a car that will not run ( unless your hit while parked) LOL. Sorry you missed out on a pay day. Hugh On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Shooting a commercial today in Savannah, had TWO Volvos picked as picture > cars ( to appear onscreen ). > 7:30 a.m., picked it up and it left me stranded in the ghetto between the > dealer's lot and the shooting location. > Bad Water pump. > 9:45 a.m., called my back up Volvo on standby to please come to the > shooting location at the last minute, > he calls back in 10 minutes, it won't start. > > Lost earnings today as a result of Volvos being a Piece of $#@^ > $750.00 > > Michael Shortt > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: > >> The interesting thing is that we hardly ever got Volvo's in on trade. >> Back in the days I was in dealerships (80's -2005) most Volvo owners >> seemed to buy their cars new and keep them forever. You know Volvo was >> always advertising their 400,00 - 1, 000,000 cars. The typical Volvo >> buyer (back in the Volvo "Cube" ere was the pipe smoking, pencil caddy >> , slide rule guy who knew every specification and was not inclined to >> buy "someone Else's problems " Which was the famous excuse for not >> buying a used car. I have owned a few over the years because they were >> well made, safe, and REALLY CHEAP! and they really were good for a few >> hundred thousand miles. I once threw a rod half way between NY and >> Newport RI in the middle of the night (around 100 miles to go to make >> it home to Newport) They car made it home running on 3 cylinders with a >> hole in the block! If I remember correctly it was an 89 740 which was >> one of the top of the line models. I always like the Volvo 1800 the >> Roger Moore drove on the TV show "The saint" they looked great but >> didn't really run as well as they looked! >> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> Boyd, >> Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. >> jerry >> >> On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: >> I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse >> the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some >> of >> the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most >> substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a >> "one >> of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool >> cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest >> stretch >> of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab >> although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people >> used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of >> these >> "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to >> hear >> any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest >> residual >> value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value >> value >> of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas >> and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 >> and >> 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis >> in >> calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% >> reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value >> over >> 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of >> junk. >> And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. >> I >> don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that >> they >> didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. >> Many >> of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far >> cry >> from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. >> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, doug sedon >> [1]<[1][2]sedond at yahoo.com> wrote: >> redneck supercar? the car maybe not. but the owners? >> absolutely! i >> have never belonged to a list - cars or otherwise - filled w/so >> many >> freaking rednecks. i own #2602 in spite of it! ;~) >> doug s., >> commie pinko owner of #2602 >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> DeTomaso mailing list >> >> [[2]2][3]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [3][3][4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> References >> 1. [4]mailto:[5]sedond at yahoo.com >> 2. [5]mailto:[6]DeTomaso at poca.com >> 3. 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Hugh On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Shooting a commercial today in Savannah, had TWO Volvos picked as picture cars ( to appear onscreen ). 7:30 a.m., picked it up and it left me stranded in the ghetto between the dealer's lot and the shooting location. Bad Water pump. 9:45 a.m., called my back up Volvo on standby to please come to the shooting location at the last minute, he calls back in 10 minutes, it won't start. Lost earnings today as a result of Volvos being a Piece of $#@^ $750.00 Michael Shortt On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: The interesting thing is that we hardly ever got Volvo's in on trade. Back in the days I was in dealerships (80's -2005) most Volvo owners seemed to buy their cars new and keep them forever. You know Volvo was always advertising their 400,00 - 1, 000,000 cars. The typical Volvo buyer (back in the Volvo "Cube" ere was the pipe smoking, pencil caddy , slide rule guy who knew every specification and was not inclined to buy "someone Else's problems " Which was the famous excuse for not buying a used car. I have owned a few over the years because they were well made, safe, and REALLY CHEAP! and they really were good for a few hundred thousand miles. I once threw a rod half way between NY and Newport RI in the middle of the night (around 100 miles to go to make it home to Newport) They car made it home running on 3 cylinders with a hole in the block! If I remember correctly it was an 89 740 which was one of the top of the line models. I always like the Volvo 1800 the Roger Moore drove on the TV show "The saint" they looked great but didn't really run as well as they looked! On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1][4]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: Boyd, Also you have to remember that Volvo is the original sobb sister. jerry On 3/5/2014 3:19 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: I certainly agree that the largest the sample size the more diverse the lis will be but at some point one has to draw the line. But some of the choices I suggest don't even belong in a list of cars.The most substantial error (in my opinion is the 1997 Thrust SSC.How can a "one of" land speed record machine even be considered in a list of cool cars? I don't consider it to be a car except under the largest stretch of the imagination. The Bronco isn't a car it's a truck , The Saab although it is a car is as far from cool as one can be, When people used to come into dealerships I worked at trying to trade out of these "boat anchors" we had an inside Joke , we said " I don't wan't to hear any Sobb (Saab) stories" Saabs and Peugeot's had the lowest residual value of any car on the market. These cars had a residual value value of between 22%and 28% for 60 months (for comparison purposes Hondas and M.B) which had among the highest residuals values between 48 and 54% for 60 months). The residual value was the most important basis in calculating what the cost would be to lease a car. A car wih 50% reisdual value for a 60 month lease would lose 50% of it's value over 60 months . So to make a long story short these cars were pieces of junk. And how about the original Boss 302? Instead of the modern version. I don't want to come across as a complainer but I just think that they didn't provide what they promised in the title of their article. Many of the cars listed ar in fact very cool. But I think they are a far cry from the "coolest" in the past 51 years. 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In-Reply-To: References: <1394125954.31481.91388485.79AF498E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1394126876873-4668273.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have an unreasonably heavy foot. I think even when I build a BMS I'll need to program it to cut out a bit early to save my pack from myself. I would need to identify and restrain the weaker battery at the first sign of trouble and I'd like a computer to alert me. Bottom balancing requires that I become the BMS and I'm not fastidious enough or rational enough to set battery limits in a reactive setting. The other day my Honda (off topic) had a heater hose leak. Instead of pulling over to tape it up I drove the next mile to work and hoped for the best. It worked out but if it had been a voltage sag instead I might have pushed it and ruined the pack. I need to set up very firm boundaries in advance. Not as much a $$$ decision as it is a design decision. sean On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Marcus Reddish wrote: > BMS? Sure, if you got extra cash, but it sounds like you are working a > tight budget. If so, go bottom balance and cut charge a little early. > Fairly easy to identify your weakest cell and monitor just that one to > prevent overcharge (it will get full first). > > Cheers > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sean Korb wrote: >> >> I don't have regen on my GE forklift motor and Curtis controller so >> that sounds about right. I'd need 1.5 of those packs plus about $1000 >> in charger and BMS electronics. I have a 40 mile round trip commute >> and a 10 mile lunch/bank run but my car is very light so that only >> uses.. well about 18kwh. >> >> I should have at least 24kwh so I don't kill the battery and I have >> some room to keep 18kwh over 8 years so that I can amortize the cost >> fully. >> >> Maybe I really only need 7 or $8000? >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Cruisin wrote: >> > I have a 18kw Li-ion pack for $4000.00. You cant do better than that? >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-NiMH-availablity-tp4668269p4668273.html >> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >> > Nabble.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org >> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 >> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller >> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > > > -- > Marcus Reddish -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From spkorb at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:39:53 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:39:53 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] [EVDL] NiMH availablity ... In-Reply-To: References: <1394125954.31481.91388485.79AF498E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1394126876873-4668273.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sorry... wrong list. I take it all back! On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Sean Korb wrote: > I have an unreasonably heavy foot. I think even when I build a BMS > I'll need to program it to cut out a bit early to save my pack from > myself. I would need to identify and restrain the weaker battery at > the first sign of trouble and I'd like a computer to alert me. Bottom > balancing requires that I become the BMS and I'm not fastidious enough > or rational enough to set battery limits in a reactive setting. > > The other day my Honda (off topic) had a heater hose leak. Instead of > pulling over to tape it up I drove the next mile to work and hoped for > the best. It worked out but if it had been a voltage sag instead I > might have pushed it and ruined the pack. I need to set up very firm > boundaries in advance. Not as much a $$$ decision as it is a design > decision. > > sean > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Marcus Reddish wrote: >> BMS? Sure, if you got extra cash, but it sounds like you are working a >> tight budget. If so, go bottom balance and cut charge a little early. >> Fairly easy to identify your weakest cell and monitor just that one to >> prevent overcharge (it will get full first). >> >> Cheers >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sean Korb wrote: >>> >>> I don't have regen on my GE forklift motor and Curtis controller so >>> that sounds about right. I'd need 1.5 of those packs plus about $1000 >>> in charger and BMS electronics. I have a 40 mile round trip commute >>> and a 10 mile lunch/bank run but my car is very light so that only >>> uses.. well about 18kwh. >>> >>> I should have at least 24kwh so I don't kill the battery and I have >>> some room to keep 18kwh over 8 years so that I can amortize the cost >>> fully. >>> >>> Maybe I really only need 7 or $8000? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Cruisin wrote: >>> > I have a 18kw Li-ion pack for $4000.00. You cant do better than that? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > View this message in context: >>> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-NiMH-availablity-tp4668269p4668273.html >>> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >>> > Nabble.com. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org >>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 >>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller >>> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Reddish > > > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From bill at incendium.com Thu Mar 6 20:44:02 2014 From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 01:44:02 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] [EVDL] NiMH availablity ... In-Reply-To: References: <1394125954.31481.91388485.79AF498E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1394126876873-4668273.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <219435298-1394156644-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-720422782-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> "BMS" - "Burner Management System". In my little world. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: Sean Korb Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:36:38 To: detomaso at poca.com Reply-To: spkorb at gmail.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EVDL] NiMH availablity ... I have an unreasonably heavy foot. I think even when I build a BMS I'll need to program it to cut out a bit early to save my pack from myself. I would need to identify and restrain the weaker battery at the first sign of trouble and I'd like a computer to alert me. Bottom balancing requires that I become the BMS and I'm not fastidious enough or rational enough to set battery limits in a reactive setting. The other day my Honda (off topic) had a heater hose leak. Instead of pulling over to tape it up I drove the next mile to work and hoped for the best. It worked out but if it had been a voltage sag instead I might have pushed it and ruined the pack. I need to set up very firm boundaries in advance. Not as much a $$$ decision as it is a design decision. sean On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Marcus Reddish wrote: > BMS? Sure, if you got extra cash, but it sounds like you are working a > tight budget. If so, go bottom balance and cut charge a little early. > Fairly easy to identify your weakest cell and monitor just that one to > prevent overcharge (it will get full first). > > Cheers > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sean Korb wrote: >> >> I don't have regen on my GE forklift motor and Curtis controller so >> that sounds about right. I'd need 1.5 of those packs plus about $1000 >> in charger and BMS electronics. I have a 40 mile round trip commute >> and a 10 mile lunch/bank run but my car is very light so that only >> uses.. well about 18kwh. >> >> I should have at least 24kwh so I don't kill the battery and I have >> some room to keep 18kwh over 8 years so that I can amortize the cost >> fully. >> >> Maybe I really only need 7 or $8000? >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Cruisin wrote: >> > I have a 18kw Li-ion pack for $4000.00. You cant do better than that? >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-NiMH-availablity-tp4668269p4668273.html >> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >> > Nabble.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org >> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 >> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller >> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > > > -- > Marcus Reddish -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Fri Mar 7 10:14:33 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:14:33 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC signs Spring is close Message-ID: Spring must be close. http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item &itemid=1&acctid=6380 when you see a Zamboni in Canada for sale. Looks to be a nice one :-) Larry (a friend drove one) - Cleveland -------------- next part -------------- Spring must be close... [1]http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1&acctid=6380 when you see a Zamboni in Canada for sale. Looks to be a nice one J Larry (a friend drove one) - Cleveland References 1. http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1&acctid=6380 From pcajthaml at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 12:47:49 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Message-ID: Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 -------------- next part -------------- Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 110876 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pcajthaml at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 13:04:32 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:04:32 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC signs Spring is close Message-ID: This would be really cool in our 4th of July parade! But what to do with it the rest of the year? Peter #2761 -------------- next part -------------- This would be really cool in our 4th of July parade! But what to do with it the rest of the year? Peter #2761 From michael at michaelshortt.com Fri Mar 7 13:30:47 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 13:30:47 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: 50 Coolest Cars Message-ID: Since every list is debatable, let's have one of our own. Rules, 1. Street legal 2. At least 100 made ( so no Tucker, Cobra Daytona Coupes or Ferrari GTO's) Add to it or add a * after it to agree with the listed cars. 1. Ford GT40 * 2. Cobra 289 * 3. Detomaso Pantera * 4. Shelby Mustang GT350 * 5. 70 Trans Am 455 Ram Air IV * 6. Lamborghini Muira * 7. Lamborghini Countach * 8. Ferrari 288GTO * 9. Ferrari Daytona * 10. Dino Spyder * 11. Plymouth Superbird * 12. 65 GTO 389 * 13. 69 Dodge Charger Hemi * 14. 69 AMX 390 * 15. MG TF * 16. Jaguar E Type Series 1 * 17. 63 Corvette Split window Coupe * 18. 67 Corvette Big Block Convertible * 19. 70 Mustang Boss 302 * 20. Austin Healy 3000 * 21. BMW 2002 Tii * 22. BMW 507 * 23. BMW M1 * 24. MB 300SL Gullwing * 25. MB 300SL Roadster * 26. Audi Quarto GT * 27. Triumph TR6 * 28. Original Toyota Landcrusier * 29. Aston Martin DB5 * 30. 63 Lincoln Continental Convertible * 31. Audi R8 * 32. Porsche 356 * 33. Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 * 34. Porshe 911 Turbo * 35. Porsche 997 GT3 * 36. Acura NSX * 37. Jaguar XK120 * 38. Ferrari 275 * 39. Dusenberg Model J * 40. 1936 Cadillac V-16 * 41. Auburn Boat tail Speedster * 42. McLaren F1 * 43. Stutz Bearcat * 44. 59 Caddy Eldorado * 45. Hemi Cuda * 46. Datsun 240Z * 47. 69 Camaro Z-28 * 48. Studebaker Avanti * 49. Chrysler Airflow * 50. 49 Mercury * Michael -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Since every list is debatable, let's have one of our own. Rules, 1. Street legal 2. At least 100 made ( so no Tucker, Cobra Daytona Coupes or Ferrari GTO's) Add to it or add a * after it to agree with the listed cars. 1. Ford GT40 * 2. Cobra 289 * 3. Detomaso Pantera * 4. Shelby Mustang GT350 * 5. 70 Trans Am 455 Ram Air IV * 6. Lamborghini Muira * 7. Lamborghini Countach * 8. Ferrari 288GTO * 9. Ferrari Daytona * 10. Dino Spyder * 11. Plymouth Superbird * 12. 65 GTO 389 * 13. 69 Dodge Charger Hemi * 14. 69 AMX 390 * 15. MG TF * 16. Jaguar E Type Series 1 * 17. 63 Corvette Split window Coupe * 18. 67 Corvette Big Block Convertible * 19. 70 Mustang Boss 302 * 20. Austin Healy 3000 * 21. BMW 2002 Tii * 22. BMW 507 * 23. BMW M1 * 24. MB 300SL Gullwing * 25. MB 300SL Roadster * 26. Audi Quarto GT * 27. Triumph TR6 * 28. Original Toyota Landcrusier * 29. Aston Martin DB5 * 30. 63 Lincoln Continental Convertible * 31. Audi R8 * 32. Porsche 356 * 33. Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 * 34. Porshe 911 Turbo * 35. Porsche 997 GT3 * 36. Acura NSX * 37. Jaguar XK120 * 38. Ferrari 275 * 39. Dusenberg Model J * 40. 1936 Cadillac V-16 * 41. Auburn Boat tail Speedster * 42. McLaren F1 * 43. Stutz Bearcat * 44. 59 Caddy Eldorado * 45. Hemi Cuda * 46. Datsun 240Z * 47. 69 Camaro Z-28 * 48. Studebaker Avanti * 49. Chrysler Airflow * 50. 49 Mercury * Michael -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [1]www.michaelshortt.com [2]michael at michaelshortt.com [3]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. tel:912-232-9390 From algisby at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 13:49:58 2014 From: algisby at hotmail.com (Al Gisby) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:49:58 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very good - a nice ideaThanksAl Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Very good - a nice idea Thanks Al Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From algisby at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 13:51:13 2014 From: algisby at hotmail.com (Al Gisby) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:51:13 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: sorry - forgot the obligitory VIN identifier under our names Al#1925 From: algisby at hotmail.com To: pcajthaml at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:49:58 +0000 Very good - a nice ideaThanksAl Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- sorry - forgot the obligitory VIN identifier under our names Al #1925 __________________________________________________________________ From: algisby at hotmail.com To: pcajthaml at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:49:58 +0000 Very good - a nice idea Thanks Al Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From pcajthaml at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 13:56:00 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:56:00 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the one bad thing I noticed after I posted the "periodic table" is that we're under the Fiero! Is that even a collectible? However, I seem to recall that something (seats?) from the Fiero is suitable for the Pantera. Peter #2761 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Al Gisby wrote: > sorry - forgot the obligitory VIN identifier under our names > Al > #1925 > ------------------------------ > From: algisby at hotmail.com > To: pcajthaml at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: > The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:49:58 +0000 > > > Very good - a nice idea > Thanks > Al > > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 > From: pcajthaml at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: > The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf > > Check out "element" #109! > > Peter > #2761 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by > POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- the one bad thing I noticed after I posted the "periodic table" is that we're under the Fiero! Is that even a collectible? However, I seem to recall that something (seats?) from the Fiero is suitable for the Pantera. Peter #2761 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Al Gisby <[1]algisby at hotmail.com> wrote: sorry - forgot the obligitory VIN identifier under our names Al #1925 __________________________________________________________________ From: [2]algisby at hotmail.com To: [3]pcajthaml at gmail.com; [4]detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:49:58 +0000 Very good - a nice idea Thanks Al Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:47:49 -0800 From: [5]pcajthaml at gmail.com To: [6]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: The-Periodic-Table-of-Sports-Cars-Car-and-Driver.pdf Check out "element" #109! Peter #2761 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:algisby at hotmail.com 2. mailto:algisby at hotmail.com 3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mgreene at hiwaay.net Fri Mar 7 14:44:47 2014 From: mgreene at hiwaay.net (Mike Greene) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:44:47 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] 50 coolest cars Message-ID: <531A21AF.1010400@hiwaay.net> Add to it or add a * after it to agree with the listed cars. 1. Ford GT40 * 2. Cobra 289 * 3. Detomaso Pantera * 4. Shelby Mustang GT350 * 5. 70 Trans Am 455 Ram Air IV * 6. Lamborghini Muira * 7. Lamborghini Countach * 8. Ferrari 288GTO * 9. Ferrari Daytona * 10. Dino Spyder * 11. Plymouth Superbird * 12. 65 GTO 389 * 13. 69 Dodge Charger Hemi * 14. 69 AMX 390 * 15. MG TF 16. Jaguar E Type Series 1 * 17. 63 Corvette Split window Coupe * 18. 67 Corvette Big Block Convertible * 19. 70 Mustang Boss 302 * 20. Austin Healy 3000 * 21. BMW 2002 Tii 22. BMW 507 * 23. BMW M1 * 24. MB 300SL Gullwing * 25. MB 300SL Roadster 26. Audi Quarto GT * 27. Triumph TR6 28. Original Toyota Landcrusier * 29. Aston Martin DB5 * 30. 63 Lincoln Continental Convertible * 31. Audi R8 32. Porsche 356 33. Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 34. Porshe 911 Turbo * 35. Porsche 997 GT3 * 36. Acura NSX 37. Jaguar XK120 38. Ferrari 275 * 39. Dusenberg Model J 40. 1936 Cadillac V-16 41. Auburn Boat tail Speedster 42. McLaren F1 * 43. Stutz Bearcat 44. 59 Caddy Eldorado 45. Hemi Cuda * 46. Datsun 240Z * 47. 69 Camaro Z-28 * 48. Studebaker Avanti 49. Chrysler Airflow 50. 49 Mercury Since I unasterisked 15 of yours, here are 15 more: 51. 427 Cobra 52. 1970 Buick GSX Stage 1 53. 1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler 54. 1964 Ford Thunderbolt 55. 1969 Mustang Boss 429 56. 1967 Shelby GT-500 57. 2005-2006 Ford GT 58. 1969 Charger Daytona 59. 1961 Galaxie Starliner 60. 1987 Buick GNX 61. 1970 Roadrunner Hemi 62. L-88 Corvette 63. 1970 AAR Cuda 64. Porsche 959 65. DeTomaso Mangusta Mike Greene 1972 Pantera 1966 Shelby GT-350H 1969 Mach 1 428CSJ 1970 Boss 302 1993 SVT Cobra 64. From michael at michaelshortt.com Fri Mar 7 16:26:12 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:26:12 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] DynaBeads Message-ID: Has anybody on the list used dynabeads instead of weights to balance your tire/wheels? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Has anybody on the list used dynabeads instead of weights to balance your tire/wheels? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [1]www.michaelshortt.com [2]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From asajay at asajay.com Fri Mar 7 17:57:20 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:57:20 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] DynaBeads Message-ID: Don't do it: Http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf Not recommended Not guaranteed And THEY strongly advise -against- it for the kind of low profile tires typically run on a Pantera. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi mind tricks. -------------- next part -------------- Don't do it: [1]Http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf Not recommended Not guaranteed And THEY strongly advise -against- it for the kind of low profile tires typically run on a Pantera. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi mind tricks. References 1. http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf From chrisvkimball at msn.com Fri Mar 7 18:21:58 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:21:58 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] seminar invitation mistake In-Reply-To: <70bd28ae-048a-42d7-8eae-95a0bfc39723@blur> References: <000001449e3ef0c6-7c7ec54e-c694-4faa-9130-59a1578cd1e3-000000@email.amazonses.com>, <70bd28ae-048a-42d7-8eae-95a0bfc39723@blur> Message-ID: Dear Asa (and anyone else who might have gotten this), If you received this, it was in error. I have no idea how this email was released to anyone other than my business contact list--there obviously is some kind of computer problem going on. Sincerely, Chris PS: Think about it--why would I knowingly invite people who live thousands of miles away to a local seminar?? From: asajay at asajay.com To: chrisvkimball at msn.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:06:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Evite Invitation: Asset Division During Divorce Dude...not cool. Unsolicited, untimely, irrelevant. How the he'll did my email address get added to this? You've lost a shitload of Pantera points on this unless it didn't come from you. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi mind tricks. -----Original message----- From: "Chris Kimball, CFP and Marc Christianson, Attorney" To: asajay at asajay.com Sent: Fri, Mar 7, 2014 20:32:08 GMT+00:00 Subject: Evite Invitation: Asset Division During Divorce Chris Kimball, CFP and Marc Christianson, Attorney invited you to Asset Division During Divorce Friday, March 21, 2014 03:00 PM - 04:30 PM Where: Tacoma Country & Golf Club 13204 Country Club Dr SW Lakewood WA 98498 Will you attend? View this invitation Is this email going to your junk/bulk folder? Add info at mailva.evite.com to your address book to ensure that you receive all future Evite invitations in your inbox. Don't want to receive any Evite emails from this person? Block this host. If you no longer wish to receive notifications from Evite for this event only, update your notification settings. Note: Replies to this email will go directly to the person who sent this message, not to Evite. -------------- next part -------------- Dear Asa (and anyone else who might have gotten this), If you received this, it was in error. I have no idea how this email was released to anyone other than my business contact list--there obviously is some kind of computer problem going on. Sincerely, Chris PS: Think about it--why would I knowingly invite people who live thousands of miles away to a local seminar?? __________________________________________________________________ From: asajay at asajay.com To: chrisvkimball at msn.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:06:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Evite Invitation: Asset Division During Divorce Dude...not cool. Unsolicited, untimely, irrelevant. How the he'll did my email address get added to this? You've lost a shitload of Pantera points on this unless it didn't come from you. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi mind tricks. -----Original message----- From: "Chris Kimball, CFP and Marc Christianson, Attorney" To: asajay at asajay.com Sent: Fri, Mar 7, 2014 20:32:08 GMT+00:00 Subject: Evite Invitation: Asset Division During Divorce Chris Kimball, CFP and Marc Christianson, Attorney invited you to [1]Asset Division During Divorce Friday, March 21, 2014 03:00 PM - 04:30 PM Where: Tacoma Country & Golf Club 13204 Country Club Dr SW Lakewood WA 98498 Will you attend? [2]Yes [3]Maybe [4]No [5]View this invitation [6][tealribbon_uyo.png] Evite Is this email going to your junk/bulk folder? Add [7]info at mailva.evite.com to your address book to ensure that you receive all future Evite invitations in your inbox. Don't want to receive any Evite emails from this person? [8]Block this host. If you no longer wish to receive notifications from Evite for this event only, [9]update your notification settings. Note: Replies to this email will go directly to the person who sent this message, not to Evite. References 1. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ/v?utm_content=title 2. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ/y?utm_content=rsvp_yes 3. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ/m?utm_content=rsvp_maybe 4. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ/n?utm_content=rsvp_no 5. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ 6. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ/v?utm_content=image 7. mailto:info at mailva.evite.com 8. http://www.evite.com/profile/block_host/?event_id=0056AFCH7KAJXU7RUEPDUWAOUUIW5A&gid=0056OHFA7FB3DMKMKEPDUY3Y2ISUI4&utm_source=other_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=text&utm_campaign=invite 9. http://www.evite.com/l/rgp2rxxWWJ/prefs From chrisvkimball at msn.com Fri Mar 7 20:49:28 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 17:49:28 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC--follow-up on weird evite thing Message-ID: As mentioned in my last email--an electronic invitation which was supposed to go out to select local attorneys and business contacts mistakenly went to a lot of other email addresses. Here's the scary part--it appears the electronic invitation program somehow connected with my personal email list and sent the invitation to everyone in my personal contacts, along with all my business contacts. This is scary because my business email account is totally separate from my personal email. Many of the folks who got the invitation who weren't supposed to are only in my personal address book and are not only not in my business email, but also have never been input into my work database (I even checked to be sure, but they simply aren't there). Plus, my contact database at work is a web-based program, so there was nothing on my computer connecting it with my msn email addresses. I have no idea how the two lists connected with each other or how my personal email list got sucked into the mix. Maybe one of you out there who is a computer expert can tell me what happened. Again, sorry for the mistake. Really frustrating! Chris -------------- next part -------------- As mentioned in my last email--an electronic invitation which was supposed to go out to select local attorneys and business contacts mistakenly went to a lot of other email addresses. Here's the scary part--it appears the electronic invitation program somehow connected with my personal email list and sent the invitation to everyone in my personal contacts, along with all my business contacts. This is scary because my business email account is totally separate from my personal email. Many of the folks who got the invitation who weren't supposed to are only in my personal address book and are not only not in my business email, but also have never been input into my work database (I even checked to be sure, but they simply aren't there). Plus, my contact database at work is a web-based program, so there was nothing on my computer connecting it with my msn email addresses. I have no idea how the two lists connected with each other or how my personal email list got sucked into the mix. Maybe one of you out there who is a computer expert can tell me what happened. Again, sorry for the mistake. Really frustrating! Chris From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Mar 7 21:06:42 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:06:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Cool Italian Pantera stuff circa 1972 Message-ID: Hi guys, Check out the attached article from Autosprint magazine issue 10 (I presume October?) 1972.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Check out the attached article from Autosprint magazine issue 10 (I presume October?) 1972.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: GiacomoAgostiniavecseslunettese.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 215005 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SOBill at aol.com Fri Mar 7 21:38:47 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:38:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera/Gearhead Database Update Message-ID: <7c847.35e6b106.404bdcb7@aol.com> An update of the Pantera?Gearhead Database is available from Mike Dailey's Panteraplace web site at http://www.panteraplace.com/Page9.htm. This searchable Excel spreadsheet has 9,781 line items. Many thanks to Mike Dailey for hosting this data. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill -------------- next part -------------- An update of the Pantera?Gearhead Database is available from Mike Dailey's Panteraplace web site at [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/Page9.htm. This searchable Excel spreadsheet has 9,781 line items. Many thanks to Mike Dailey for hosting this data. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill References 1. http://www.panteraplace.com/Page9.htm From coatesr8 at aol.com Sat Mar 8 01:49:33 2014 From: coatesr8 at aol.com (Roger) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 06:49:33 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Giacomo Agostini and his Pantera GTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83AA7729-84EC-4B25-A633-B8117991A199@aol.com> Hi Mike Hope you don't mind, copied to FB. Rog. Sent from Roger's iPhone On 8 Mar 2014, at 02:07, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > Hi guys, > From another issue of Autosprint, a photo of multi-time world champion > motorcycle Grand Prix racer Giacomo Agostini, and his car of choice--a > Pantera GTS! > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From fredhen at online.no Sat Mar 8 07:41:33 2014 From: fredhen at online.no (Freddy Henningsen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 13:41:33 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11D91AB1CEF743C2AF5713E7926AAD0F@EierPC> Hey. I've probably asked before :) but is there anyone who has a wiper arm to sell me? reckon I must pay its weight in gold: (but really need one. requires the passenger side but I can modify it regardless of whether it stops at the right or left side. yet one that stops on the right side, would be great as it is what I need.:) Thanks Freddy Nort norway 7207 From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Mar 8 10:39:56 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 07:39:56 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm In-Reply-To: <11D91AB1CEF743C2AF5713E7926AAD0F@EierPC> References: , <11D91AB1CEF743C2AF5713E7926AAD0F@EierPC> Message-ID: Steve Wilkinson (www.panterasbywilkinson.com) has them listed for $62.95 each part #'s 17010B and 17010C. I know being in the catalog doesn't always relate , to having stock on hand, but it is a online catalog you can purchase from. I do find it hard to believe at least one of the Pantera vendors has not taken opportunity to stock these hard to find parts. Julian > From: fredhen at online.no > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 13:41:33 +0100 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm > > Hey. I've probably asked before :) but is there anyone who has a wiper arm > to sell me? > reckon I must pay its weight in gold: (but really need one. > requires the passenger side but I can modify it regardless of whether it > stops at the right or left side. yet one that stops on the right side, would > be great as it is what I need.:) > > Thanks > Freddy > Nort norway > 7207 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Steve Wilkinson (www.panterasbywilkinson.com) has them listed for $62.95 each part #'s 17010B and 17010C. I know being in the catalog doesn't always relate , to having stock on hand, but it is a online catalog you can purchase from. I do find it hard to believe at least one of the Pantera vendors has not taken opportunity to stock these hard to find parts. Julian > From: fredhen at online.no > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 13:41:33 +0100 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm > > Hey. I've probably asked before :) but is there anyone who has a wiper arm > to sell me? > reckon I must pay its weight in gold: (but really need one. > requires the passenger side but I can modify it regardless of whether it > stops at the right or left side. yet one that stops on the right side, would > be great as it is what I need.:) > > Thanks > Freddy > Nort norway > 7207 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From davel at emspace.com Sat Mar 8 10:45:51 2014 From: davel at emspace.com (davel at emspace.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2014 08:45:51 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera/Gearhead Database Update Message-ID: <20140308084551.6d536a90eb7e22eb2b4a3647a8f9362d.40419c5850.wbe@email02.secureserver.net> Well Thank You Bill and Mike. dave -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera/Gearhead Database Update From: [1]SOBill at aol.com Date: Fri, March 07, 2014 9:38 pm To: [2]detomaso at poca.com An update of the Pantera?Gearhead Database is available from Mike Dailey's Panteraplace web site at [3]http://www.panteraplace.com/Page9.htm. This searchable Excel spreadsheet has 9,781 line items. Many thanks to Mike Dailey for hosting this data. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill __________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:SOBill at aol.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.panteraplace.com/Page9.htm 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 11:55:18 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 08:55:18 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way In-Reply-To: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> References: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> Message-ID: <03d501cf3aef$2fb52870$8f1f7950$@comcast.net> Don't want to fall into that thing . . . -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of DtomasoCat at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:45 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it does the engines.... http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ Jim From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 12:12:51 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 09:12:51 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way In-Reply-To: References: <7e9d2.756b4e9.4046a64b@aol.com> Message-ID: <03dc01cf3af1$a33ee090$e9bca1b0$@comcast.net> Question whether this machine would be able to handle an old suburban with steel ladder frame and cast iron block, etc. Much beefier than the tinny plastic ricer they chewed up, or the little aluminum block four-bangers, but then a bigger bite would probably work. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Casey Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:27 AM To: DtomasoCat at aol.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Very Cool in a Creepy Kinda Way That is amazing!. It had been told that the old style "car crusher" like the one used in the movie "Thunderball" they removed the engine /trans before tuning the body into a cube. This takes the complete engines and consumes then in minutes if not seconds! Pretty impressive ( in a creepy kind of way). On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, wrote: > Never seen anything like this.....be sure to watch till the end when it > does the engines.... > > > > [1]http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ > > > > Jim > > References > > 1. http://devour.com/video/car-grinder/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From pantera at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 8 12:27:27 2014 From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:27:27 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm In-Reply-To: <11D91AB1CEF743C2AF5713E7926AAD0F@EierPC> References: <11D91AB1CEF743C2AF5713E7926AAD0F@EierPC> Message-ID: <648CADF9-21E8-4EED-87EF-A20131C06E71@austin.rr.com> I just got off the phone with Steve Wilkinson. He will have new wiper arms (early--driver's side park) in May. He said a few are coming with longer arms which they will modify to park on the passenger side. He didn't say when the mods will be done, and I'm guessing they will make them when ordered. He is NOT taking names, you just have to keep calling beginning in May. Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:41, "Freddy Henningsen" wrote: > > Hey. I've probably asked before :) but is there anyone who has a wiper arm to sell me? > reckon I must pay its weight in gold: (but really need one. > requires the passenger side but I can modify it regardless of whether it stops at the right or left side. yet one that stops on the right side, would be great as it is what I need.:) > > Thanks > Freddy > Nort norway > 7207 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From fredhen at online.no Sat Mar 8 13:47:49 2014 From: fredhen at online.no (Freddy Henningsen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 19:47:49 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm In-Reply-To: <648CADF9-21E8-4EED-87EF-A20131C06E71@austin.rr.com> References: <11D91AB1CEF743C2AF5713E7926AAD0F@EierPC> <648CADF9-21E8-4EED-87EF-A20131C06E71@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <782106D20D424E26B64F9E6D8AFCCA81@EierPC> Great :) thanks for the tip. 'll try to see if I manage to catch up with him in May. Freddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Greenblum" To: "Freddy Henningsen" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiper Arm I just got off the phone with Steve Wilkinson. He will have new wiper arms (early--driver's side park) in May. He said a few are coming with longer arms which they will modify to park on the passenger side. He didn't say when the mods will be done, and I'm guessing they will make them when ordered. He is NOT taking names, you just have to keep calling beginning in May. Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:41, "Freddy Henningsen" wrote: > > Hey. I've probably asked before :) but is there anyone who has a wiper arm > to sell me? > reckon I must pay its weight in gold: (but really need one. > requires the passenger side but I can modify it regardless of whether it > stops at the right or left side. yet one that stops on the right side, > would be great as it is what I need.:) > > Thanks > Freddy > Nort norway > 7207 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lashdeep at yahoo.com Sat Mar 8 20:40:45 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 17:40:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Giacomo Agostini and his Pantera GTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1394329245.95818.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Amazing photo...the choice of motorsport royalty! The writer of that "redneck supercar" comment should take a look at this one. LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: detomaso at POCA.com Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:07 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Giacomo Agostini and his Pantera GTS ? Hi guys, ? From another issue of Autosprint, a photo of multi-time world champion ? motorcycle Grand Prix racer Giacomo Agostini, and his car of choice--a ? Pantera GTS! ? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Amazing photo...the choice of motorsport royalty! The writer of that "redneck supercar" comment should take a look at this one. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: detomaso at POCA.com Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:07 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Giacomo Agostini and his Pantera GTS Hi guys, From another issue of Autosprint, a photo of multi-time world champion motorcycle Grand Prix racer Giacomo Agostini, and his car of choice--a Pantera GTS! Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 9 04:15:47 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 04:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Autosprint GTS Geneva debut, first week of March 1972.... Message-ID: <89859.431f3c98.404d7d33@aol.com> -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PanteraGTSpreGenevaAutoSprint19.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 925359 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 10:48:44 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 09:48:44 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... Message-ID: I know it?s a long shot?. Does anyone happen to have a set of wheels for their Pantera that they?re trying to get rid of? After all, 15? wheels are so out of style?. :-) 15? diameter Front width is 10? - Backspacing 5" Back width is 12? - Backspacing 6" I?m looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. Just askin?, Kirby From pantera at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 9 11:40:52 2014 From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 10:40:52 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Circuit Message-ID: <9CA82689-5547-4973-86A8-6632D65DC467@austin.rr.com> My wipers and washer don't work. I checked the diagram and it looks to me like the Green wire at the wiper switch is supposed to be hot. Even with the key on, there's no power to any of the wires at the switch. I crawled underneath the dash and tried tracing the green wire, moving things around, and blew the #8 fuse. I'm far from an electrical guy, but it looks to me like I have a short somewhere in the loom under the dash which will have to come off. Any ideas? Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone From SOBill at aol.com Sun Mar 9 14:08:44 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Circuit Message-ID: <4e1c0.5fcb0b76.404e082c@aol.com> Richard, Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 3/9/2014 8:41:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pantera at austin.rr.com writes: My wipers and washer don't work. I checked the diagram and it looks to me like the Green wire at the wiper switch is supposed to be hot. Even with the key on, there's no power to any of the wires at the switch. I crawled underneath the dash and tried tracing the green wire, moving things around, and blew the #8 fuse. I'm far from an electrical guy, but it looks to me like I have a short somewhere in the loom under the dash which will have to come off. Any ideas? Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Richard, Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 3/9/2014 8:41:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pantera at austin.rr.com writes: My wipers and washer don't work. I checked the diagram and it looks to me like the Green wire at the wiper switch is supposed to be hot. Even with the key on, there's no power to any of the wires at the switch. I crawled underneath the dash and tried tracing the green wire, moving things around, and blew the #8 fuse. I'm far from an electrical guy, but it looks to me like I have a short somewhere in the loom under the dash which will have to come off. Any ideas? Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF From SOBill at aol.com Sun Mar 9 14:51:40 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Washer/Wiper Problem Message-ID: <318a6.6b120544.404e123c@aol.com> Richard, Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill -------------- next part -------------- Richard, Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill References 1. http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF From pantera at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 9 15:11:13 2014 From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:11:13 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Washer/Wiper Problem In-Reply-To: <318a6.6b120544.404e123c@aol.com> References: <318a6.6b120544.404e123c@aol.com> Message-ID: <6A945A4B-4169-4B23-9067-B2BAF84D2572@austin.rr.com> Thanks Bill. I'll check that connection. I have, but never installed, the Timma Nissan-bases fuse box, with relays. BIt seems like a good time to do that. The only problem is it's not a 1-for-1 swap and the instructions don't say how to divvy out the new extra terminals. I haven't compared them closely yet, but it does say to start at one end (don't which at the moment) and proceed from there. I'm sure if I match the fuse amps I'm good. Left overs could then be used for whatever later. Would you recommend solving the wiper problem first, then replacing the fuse box, or doing it all at one time? Richard--trying to keep the main thing the main thing... Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:51, SOBill at aol.com wrote: > > > Richard, > > Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. > > You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. > > If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. > > Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. > > BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: > http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. > > Let me know what you find. > > The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. > Do the best you can with what your have where you are. > Have fun today! > SOBill > > The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. > Do the best you can with what your have where you are. > Have fun today! > SOBill -------------- next part -------------- Thanks Bill. I'll check that connection. I have, but never installed, the Timma Nissan-bases fuse box, with relays. BIt seems like a good time to do that. The only problem is it's not a 1-for-1 swap and the instructions don't say how to divvy out the new extra terminals. I haven't compared them closely yet, but it does say to start at one end (don't which at the moment) and proceed from there. I'm sure if I match the fuse amps I'm good. Left overs could then be used for whatever later. Would you recommend solving the wiper problem first, then replacing the fuse box, or doing it all at one time? Richard--trying to keep the main thing the main thing... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:51, [1]SOBill at aol.com wrote: Richard, Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: [2]http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill References 1. mailto:SOBill at aol.com 2. http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF From adin at frontier.net Sun Mar 9 15:27:23 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 13:27:23 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] SO Bill Message-ID: Ahhh, once again we see why there is an award named for young Bill - as his wife was quick to point out - "Sweet Old Bill" - and the award reads "For Unselfish and Outstanding Personal Suppport, Service, and Can-Do Attitude toward Team Pantera Racing and all Pantera owners" Below, see Sweet Old Bill save another owners tushie . . . . "Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill " SO Bill will just say "aw, shucks" but the truth cannot be denied! from all of us . . . . __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9519 (20140309) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- Ahhh, once again we see why there is an award named for young Bill - as his wife was quick to point out - "Sweet Old Bill" - and the award reads "For Unselfish and Outstanding Personal Suppport, Service, and Can-Do Attitude toward Team Pantera Racing and all Pantera owners" Below, see Sweet Old Bill save another owners tushie . . . . "Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill " SO Bill will just say "aw, shucks" but the truth cannot be denied! from all of us . . . . __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9519 (20140309) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [2]http://www.eset.com References 1. http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF 2. http://www.eset.com/ From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 9 15:39:31 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 15:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Cool Italian Pantera stuff circa 1972 Message-ID: <1b6a6.4bdbbe90.404e1d73@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/14 18 09 41, MikeLDrew at aol.com writes: > Check out the attached article from Autosprint magazine issue 10 (I > presume > October?) 1972.... > >>>It was actually issue 10 of 52 that year, so, early March, which makes more sense as the GTS was an early 1972 invention. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/7/14 18 09 41, MikeLDrew at aol.com writes: Check out the attached article from Autosprint magazine issue 10 (I presume October?) 1972.... >>>It was actually issue 10 of 52 that year, so, early March, which makes more sense as the GTS was an early 1972 invention. Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 9 15:40:23 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... Message-ID: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > I?m looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. > >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. Wheel spec below. 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: Iam looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. Wheel spec below. 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bassett wheelsweb.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 496948 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 16:49:59 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 15:49:59 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> References: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> Message-ID: <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> No?. Those won?t work, Mike. I do not have a Group 4. I have GTS flares on the car. I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. The rears, for sure. The fronts maybe?. On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > >> I?m looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. > > > >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. > > Wheel spec below. > > 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each > > 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each > > All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. > > Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). > > Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) > > Mike > -------------- next part -------------- No.... Those won't work, Mike. I do not have a Group 4. I have GTS flares on the car. I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. The rears, for sure. The fronts maybe.... On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, [1]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, [2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: I'm looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. Wheel spec below. 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 9 17:10:25 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:10:25 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> References: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> Kirby, You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig to the fact you have a narrow body car. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > No?. Those won?t work, Mike. > > I do not have a Group 4. > I have GTS flares on the car. > > I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. > > The rears, for sure. > The fronts maybe?. > > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: >> >> >>> I?m looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >> >> >> >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. >> >> Wheel spec below. >> >> 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each >> >> 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each >> >> All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. >> >> Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). >> >> Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) >> >> Mike >> > -------------- next part -------------- Kirby, You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig to the fact you have a narrow body car. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: No.... Those won't work, Mike. I do not have a Group 4. I have GTS flares on the car. I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. The rears, for sure. The fronts maybe.... On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, [3]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: I'm looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. Wheel spec below. 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) Mike References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:16:17 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 17:16:17 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> References: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> Message-ID: Mike, Yes, indeed? Narrow body with fiberglass GTS flares. I checked their website and the backspacing/widths can be had for what I want. I?ve queried them though to find out what the ID of the wheels is? Too many wheels are the right width and backspacing and won?t fit over the calipers. I?ll see what they say. You are right though? some bargains! Thanks, Kirby On Mar 9, 2014, at 16:10, Mike Drew wrote: > Kirby, > > You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig to the fact you have a narrow body car. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader wrote: > >> >> No?. Those won?t work, Mike. >> >> I do not have a Group 4. >> I have GTS flares on the car. >> >> I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. >> >> The rears, for sure. >> The fronts maybe?. >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> I?m looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >>> >>> >>> >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. >>> >>> Wheel spec below. >>> >>> 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each >>> >>> 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each >>> >>> All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. >>> >>> Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). >>> >>> Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) >>> >>> Mike >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- Mike, Yes, indeed... Narrow body with fiberglass GTS flares. I checked their website and the backspacing/widths can be had for what I want. I've queried them though to find out what the ID of the wheels is... Too many wheels are the right width and backspacing and won't fit over the calipers. I'll see what they say. You are right though... some bargains! Thanks, Kirby On Mar 9, 2014, at 16:10, Mike Drew <[1]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote: Kirby, You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig to the fact you have a narrow body car. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: No.... Those won't work, Mike. I do not have a Group 4. I have GTS flares on the car. I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. The rears, for sure. The fronts maybe.... On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: I'm looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. Wheel spec below. 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) Mike References 1. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com From lashdeep at yahoo.com Sun Mar 9 21:37:33 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:37:33 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: References: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> Message-ID: <55C3D5DA-A06B-4398-A109-146F153489F0@yahoo.com> Are the Bassets steel? If so, how much do they weigh? One of the reasons I have never considered bigger aftermarket wheels (besides looks, height, and lack of 17" tire choices) is the huge increase in weight. I remember the first time I picked up an aftermarket 17" rear wheel, I wanted it as far away from my car as possible due to the large weight difference over the factory 15s. I quickly realized that pushing the car away from the wheel was easier than vice versa! LS On Mar 9, 2014, at 18:16, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Mike, > > Yes, indeed... Narrow body with fiberglass GTS flares. > > I checked their website and the backspacing/widths can be had for what > I want. > > I've queried them though to find out what the ID of the wheels is... > > Too many wheels are the right width and backspacing and won't fit over > the calipers. > > I'll see what they say. > > You are right though... some bargains! > > Thanks, > > Kirby > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 16:10, Mike Drew <[1]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote: > > Kirby, > You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig > to the fact you have a narrow body car. > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> > wrote: > > No.... Those won't work, Mike. > I do not have a Group 4. > I have GTS flares on the car. > I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires > sticking out the side of the car. > The rears, for sure. > The fronts maybe.... > On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com > writes: > > I'm looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. > >>>> What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels > that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the > factory Gr4 wheels. > Wheel spec below. > 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each > 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each > All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. > Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those > wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried > somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with > those same wheels, also in gold (attached). > Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest > you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) > Mike > > > References > > 1. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com > 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com > 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 9 22:28:02 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 22:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... Message-ID: <24ca2.1911cf5a.404e7d32@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/14 17 37 36, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: > Are the Bassets steel? > > If so, how much do they weigh? > > One of the reasons I have never considered bigger aftermarket wheels > (besides looks, height, and lack of 17" tire choices) is the huge increase in > weight. > > I remember the first time I picked up an aftermarket 17" rear wheel, I > wanted it as far away from my car as possible due to the large weight > difference over the factory 15s. > > I quickly realized that pushing the car away from the wheel was easier > than vice versa! > >>>The Bassett wheels are very steel, and very light! Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/9/14 17 37 36, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: Are the Bassets steel? If so, how much do they weigh? One of the reasons I have never considered bigger aftermarket wheels (besides looks, height, and lack of 17" tire choices) is the huge increase in weight. I remember the first time I picked up an aftermarket 17" rear wheel, I wanted it as far away from my car as possible due to the large weight difference over the factory 15s. I quickly realized that pushing the car away from the wheel was easier than vice versa! >>>The Bassett wheels are very steel, and very light! Mike From tecnosound at hotmail.com Sun Mar 9 22:31:16 2014 From: tecnosound at hotmail.com (James coyne) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 19:31:16 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <24ca2.1911cf5a.404e7d32@aol.com> References: <24ca2.1911cf5a.404e7d32@aol.com> Message-ID: Weights are listed on their website, bassettwheel.com From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 22:28:02 -0400 To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; kirby.schrader at gmail.com CC: DeTomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In a message dated 3/9/14 17 37 36, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: > Are the Bassets steel? > > If so, how much do they weigh? > > One of the reasons I have never considered bigger aftermarket wheels > (besides looks, height, and lack of 17" tire choices) is the huge increase in > weight. > > I remember the first time I picked up an aftermarket 17" rear wheel, I > wanted it as far away from my car as possible due to the large weight > difference over the factory 15s. > > I quickly realized that pushing the car away from the wheel was easier > than vice versa! > >>>The Bassett wheels are very steel, and very light! Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Weights are listed on their website, bassettwheel.com From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 22:28:02 -0400 To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; kirby.schrader at gmail.com CC: DeTomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In a message dated 3/9/14 17 37 36, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes: > Are the Bassets steel? > > If so, how much do they weigh? > > One of the reasons I have never considered bigger aftermarket wheels > (besides looks, height, and lack of 17" tire choices) is the huge increase in > weight. > > I remember the first time I picked up an aftermarket 17" rear wheel, I > wanted it as far away from my car as possible due to the large weight > difference over the factory 15s. > > I quickly realized that pushing the car away from the wheel was easier > than vice versa! > >>>The Bassett wheels are very steel, and very light! Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 22:34:36 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:34:36 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <55C3D5DA-A06B-4398-A109-146F153489F0@yahoo.com> References: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> <55C3D5DA-A06B-4398-A109-146F153489F0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.bassettwheel.com Weights are all listed with the sizes. On Mar 9, 2014, at 20:37, LS wrote: > Are the Bassets steel? > > If so, how much do they weigh? > > One of the reasons I have never considered bigger aftermarket wheels (besides looks, height, and lack of 17" tire choices) is the huge increase in weight. > > I remember the first time I picked up an aftermarket 17" rear wheel, I wanted it as far away from my car as possible due to the large weight difference over the factory 15s. > > I quickly realized that pushing the car away from the wheel was easier than vice versa! > > LS > > > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 18:16, Kirby Schrader wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Yes, indeed... Narrow body with fiberglass GTS flares. >> >> I checked their website and the backspacing/widths can be had for what >> I want. >> >> I've queried them though to find out what the ID of the wheels is... >> >> Too many wheels are the right width and backspacing and won't fit over >> the calipers. >> >> I'll see what they say. >> >> You are right though... some bargains! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kirby >> >> On Mar 9, 2014, at 16:10, Mike Drew <[1]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote: >> >> Kirby, >> You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig >> to the fact you have a narrow body car. >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> No.... Those won't work, Mike. >> I do not have a Group 4. >> I have GTS flares on the car. >> I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires >> sticking out the side of the car. >> The rears, for sure. >> The fronts maybe.... >> On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com >> writes: >> >> I'm looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >> >>>>> What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels >> that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the >> factory Gr4 wheels. >> Wheel spec below. >> 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each >> 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each >> All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. >> Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those >> wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried >> somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with >> those same wheels, also in gold (attached). >> Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest >> you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) >> Mike >> >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com >> 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com >> 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >> 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 10 00:25:43 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 00:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > http://www.bassettwheel.com > > Weights are all listed with the sizes. > >>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html Light as a basket of soup, they are! Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: http://www.bassettwheel.com Weights are all listed with the sizes. >>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html Light as a basket of soup, they are! Mike From dtpantera at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 01:58:36 2014 From: dtpantera at gmail.com (Don Thomas) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 22:58:36 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Message-ID: What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? Was it Peugeot ? Best regards, -dt Don Thomas -------------- next part -------------- What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? Was it Peugeot ? Best regards, -dt Don Thomas From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 02:54:25 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:54:25 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58382567-CF85-4D9B-9313-E041FBCE4611@gmail.com> What about lug nuts? A little birdie tells me they?re special? On Mar 9, 2014, at 23:25, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > >> >> http://www.bassettwheel.com >> >> Weights are all listed with the sizes. > > > >>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: > > http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html > > Light as a basket of soup, they are! > > Mike -------------- next part -------------- What about lug nuts? A little birdie tells me they're special? On Mar 9, 2014, at 23:25, [1]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, [2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: [3]http://www.bassettwheel.com Weights are all listed with the sizes. >>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: [4]http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html Light as a basket of soup, they are! Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 3. http://www.bassettwheel.com/ 4. http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html From spkorb at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 10:09:10 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:09:10 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty sure its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas wrote: > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > Was it Peugeot ? > Best regards, > -dt > Don Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From bflesland at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 10:24:25 2014 From: bflesland at gmail.com (Bjoern Flesland) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:24:25 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? Cheers Bjoern On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb wrote: > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? Cheers Bjoern On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty sure its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> wrote: > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > Was it Peugeot ? > Best regards, > -dt > Don Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Mar 10 10:39:23 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:39:23 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera/Gearhead Database Update In-Reply-To: <7c847.35e6b106.404bdcb7@aol.com> References: <7c847.35e6b106.404bdcb7@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bill for all you HARD WORK on this!! Larry - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of SOBill at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:39 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera/Gearhead Database Update An update of the Pantera?Gearhead Database is available from Mike Dailey's Panteraplace web site at http://www.panteraplace.com/Page9.htm. This searchable Excel spreadsheet has 9,781 line items. Many thanks to Mike Dailey for hosting this data. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill From spkorb at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 10:41:10 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:41:10 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Line 1169 Girling four piston calipers from a Volvo 240 1991-1992 with Vented rotors and ABS are reported to interchange with Pantera Calipers So... no. They're not Volvo, just that a later Volvo has something similar to the Pantera which is where my confusion comes from. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Bjoern Flesland wrote: > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From guson at home.se Mon Mar 10 11:05:06 2014 From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:05:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Message-ID: If anything I'd say Maserati Bora. I don't know that the calipers are identical but the front brake pads listed are the same. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Sean Korb [spkorb at gmail.com] Sent: 10/3/2014 2:41:10 PM To: bflesland at gmail.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Line 1169 Girling four piston calipers from a Volvo 240 1991-1992 with Vented rotors and ABS are reported to interchange with Pantera Calipers So... no. They're not Volvo, just that a later Volvo has something similar to the Pantera which is where my confusion comes from. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Bjoern Flesland wrote: > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com .

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Annons: Hitta k?rleken p? M?tesplatsen.se ? Bli medlem Gratis nu -------------- next part -------------- If anything I'd say Maserati Bora. I don't know that the calipers are identical but the front brake pads listed are the same. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Sean Korb [spkorb at gmail.com] Sent: 10/3/2014 2:41:10 PM To: bflesland at gmail.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Line 1169 Girling four piston calipers from a Volvo 240 1991-1992 with Vented rotors and ABS are reported to interchange with Pantera Calipers So... no. They're not Volvo, just that a later Volvo has something similar to the Pantera which is where my confusion comes from. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Bjoern Flesland wrote: > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com . _______________________________________________________________ Annons: [1]Hitta kaerleken paa Moetesplatsen.se Bli medlem Gratis nu References 1. http://adserver.adtech.de/?adlink|3.0|1297|4819575|1|16|AdId=9776362;BnId=1;link=http://rms.admeta.com/public/transfer.asp?sitebanner_id=4723912 From lashdeep at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 12:53:04 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <58382567-CF85-4D9B-9313-E041FBCE4611@gmail.com> References: <58382567-CF85-4D9B-9313-E041FBCE4611@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1394470384.61048.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Much lighter than I was expecting. If I didn't have a set of factory wheels and newish tires, I would consider a set of these with the latest 15" tires as an alternative. Very interesting... LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Kirby Schrader To: Mike Drew Cc: lashdeep at yahoo.com; DeTomaso at poca.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... What about lug nuts? A little birdie tells me they?re special? On Mar 9, 2014, at 23:25, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > > > >>http://www.bassettwheel.com >> >>Weights are all listed with the sizes. >> > >>>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: > >http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html > >Light as a basket of soup, they are! > >Mike -------------- next part -------------- Much lighter than I was expecting. If I didn't have a set of factory wheels and newish tires, I would consider a set of these with the latest 15" tires as an alternative. Very interesting... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Kirby Schrader To: Mike Drew Cc: lashdeep at yahoo.com; DeTomaso at poca.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... What about lug nuts? A little birdie tells me theyare special? On Mar 9, 2014, at 23:25, [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: [5]http://www.bassettwheel.com Weights are all listed with the sizes. >>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: [6]http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html Light as a basket of soup, they are! Mike References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 5. http://www.bassettwheel.com/ 6. http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html From davel at emspace.com Mon Mar 10 13:04:19 2014 From: davel at emspace.com (davel at emspace.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:04:19 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] [FWD: Re: On the scrounge...] Message-ID: <20140310100419.6d536a90eb7e22eb2b4a3647a8f9362d.86bfb53b5d.wbe@email02.secureserver.net> I went there looking for bigger diameters.... They only do 15s because their core business is dirt track and the only tires available for dirt track are 15s. (sounds familiar) dave -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... From: LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> Date: Mon, March 10, 2014 12:53 pm To: Kirby Schrader <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com>, Mike Drew <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Cc: "[4]DeTomaso at poca.com" <[5]DeTomaso at poca.com> Much lighter than I was expecting. If I didn't have a set of factory wheels and newish tires, I would consider a set of these with the latest 15" tires as an alternative. Very interesting... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [6]centralwines.com [7]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Kirby Schrader <[8]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> To: Mike Drew <[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Cc: [10]lashdeep at yahoo.com; [11]DeTomaso at poca.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... What about lug nuts? A little birdie tells me theyare special? On Mar 9, 2014, at 23:25, [12]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/9/14 18 34 40, [13]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > > > >>[14]http://www.bassettwheel.com >> >>Weights are all listed with the sizes. >> > >>>>Specifically, the wheels we're interested in are listed here: > >[15]http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html > >Light as a basket of soup, they are! > >Mike __________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso at poca.com [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://centralwines.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 8. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 9. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 10. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 13. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 14. http://www.bassettwheel.com/ 15. http://www.bassettwheel.com/ 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 13:49:43 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:49:43 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> References: <1b6a8.7284a94b.404e1da7@aol.com> <9AC2DBD2-6E9A-43C5-BEB4-27E329328E26@gmail.com> <1C10DB60-EF20-4BF7-9192-CDA3FE3D88FD@aol.com> Message-ID: I've shared this with a couple of other interested folks already, but here's what I know now.... - The Bassett wheels are lug centric; not hub centric. They need to be balanced that way. Anybody that has a Hunter balancing machine (or similar) has a lug centric adapter. Just because I've never seen one doesn't mean squat... They exist and I looked up locations on Hunter's website. Seems any Discount Tire, for example, has a lug centric balancing system. Apparently many European cars are using lug centric wheels these days. Once again, I learned something! - I've been measuring back spacing incorrectly. I thought it was from the bead where the tire seals to the mounting surface. Again, that's BS. It's from the outer edge/lip of the wheel. The Bassett guy said you lay the wheel on the garage floor (no tire!) and measure from the floor to the mounting surface. Makes about a 1/2" to 3/4" difference from what I measured! Before you ask, he said that's the industry standard and I found several websites which agree with this. Once again, you learn something new everyday. - Yes, their wheels require special lug nuts. 45 degree bevel vs 60 degree standard. No big deal. I'll order new ones from them. - When I mentioned they were for a Pantera, the Bassett guy, Steve, recommended the Inertia wheel over the D hole wheel because it had more brake cooling area. He said lots of people from POCA ordered the Inertia wheel. I have to call him back tomorrow since the Inertia model shown on their website doesn't have as many width and back space options. You know... I have to go and measure my backspacing the correct way tonight! :-) I'm not bothered either way which wheel design I end up with. - They have tons of room for big Wilwood calipers. Their drop center for tire mounting is past the mounting face to the outside. No problem and Steve confirmed they make their wheels specifically to clear Wilwood calipers for all the racing guys. I need a minimum of 14"; they have 14.75". Once I confirm back spacing numbers tonight, I'll order a set tomorrow. Oh, and if you read their FAQ, you'll see that most of their wheels are _not_ DOT approved, although they have some that are. Thanks for the lead. Kirby On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mike Drew wrote: > Kirby, > > You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig to > the fact you have a narrow body car. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > > No?. Those won?t work, Mike. > > I do not have a Group 4. > I have GTS flares on the car. > > I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking > out the side of the car. > > The rears, for sure. > The fronts maybe?. > > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > > I?m looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. > > > > >>>What you want are Bassett wheels. They make fantastic wheels that are, > when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. > > Wheel spec below. > > 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each > > 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each > > All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. > > Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those > wheels, in gold. I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried > somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same > wheels, also in gold (attached). > > Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you > buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) > > Mike > > > > -------------- next part -------------- I've shared this with a couple of other interested folks already, but here's what I know now.... A - The Bassett wheels are lug centric; not hub centric. They need to be balanced that way. Anybody that has a Hunter balancing machine (or similar) has a lug centric adapter. Just because I've never seen one doesn't mean squat... They exist and I looked up locations on Hunter's website. Seems any Discount Tire, for example, has a lug centric balancing system. Apparently many European cars are using lug centric wheels these days. Once again, I learned something! A - I've been measuring back spacing incorrectly. I thought it was from the bead where the tire seals to the mounting surface. Again, that's BS. It's from the outer edge/lip of the wheel. The Bassett guy said you lay the wheel on the garage floor (no tire!) and measure from the floor to the mounting surface. Makes about a 1/2" to 3/4" difference from what I measured! Before you ask, he said that's the industry standard and I found several websites which agree with this. Once again, you learn something new everyday. A - Yes, their wheels require special lug nuts. 45 degree bevel vs 60 degree standard. No big deal. I'll order new ones from them.A A - When I mentioned they were for a Pantera, the Bassett guy, Steve, recommended the Inertia wheel over the D hole wheel because it had more brake cooling area. He said lots of people from POCA ordered the Inertia wheel. I have to call him back tomorrow since the Inertia model shown on their website doesn't have as many width and back space options. You know... I have to go and measure my backspacing the correct way tonight! :-) I'm not bothered either way which wheel design I end up with. A - They have tons of room for big Wilwood calipers. Their drop center for tire mounting is past the mounting face to the outside. No problem and Steve confirmed they make their wheels specifically to clear Wilwood calipers for all the racing guys. I need a minimum of 14"; they have 14.75". Once I confirm back spacing numbers tonight, I'll order a set tomorrow. Oh, and if you read their FAQ, you'll see that most of their wheels are _not_ DOT approved, although they have some that are. Thanks for the lead. Kirby On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Kirby, You can get those wheels in any width, any offset. Sorry I didn't twig to the fact you have a narrow body car.A Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2014, at 13:49, Kirby Schrader <[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Noa|. Those wonat work, Mike. I do not have a Group 4. I have GTS flares on the car. I can go measure, but I think those wheels would have the tires sticking out the side of the car. The rears, for sure. The fronts maybea|. On Mar 9, 2014, at 14:40, [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/9/14 6 49 55, [4]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: Iam looking for a second set of wheels for the race car. >>>What you want are Bassett wheels.A They make fantastic wheels that are, when painted appropriately, a rough approximation of the factory Gr4 wheels. Wheel spec below. 2 15"x13" D-Hole style with 5.5" back spacing....$109 each 2 15"x10" D-Hole style with 4.5" back spacing....$92 each All with a 4.5"bolt pattern. Somewhere there's photos of a fantastic blue Gr4 clone wearing those wheels, in gold.A I couldn't find that on my hard drive (it's buried somewhere) but I do have photos of a black street Gr4 clone with those same wheels, also in gold (attached). Frankly, these wheels are so good and so cheap that I would suggest you buy two sets and scrap the ones you have now! :>) Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com From dave at damardirect.com Mon Mar 10 15:43:41 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:43:41 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] SO Bill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SOBill, what a great guy! Always supportive and giving of his time. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: David in Durango [mailto:adin at frontier.net] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 3:27 PM To: Panteras Subject: [DeTomaso] SO Bill Ahhh, once again we see why there is an award named for young Bill - as his wife was quick to point out - "Sweet Old Bill" - and the award reads "For Unselfish and Outstanding Personal Suppport, Service, and Can-Do Attitude toward Team Pantera Racing and all Pantera owners" Below, see Sweet Old Bill save another owners tushie . . . . "Don't pull your dash. This will likely cause more problems than what you now have. You must have power at the green wire on the wiper switch. If Fuse #8 is good, and you have no power at the wiper switch and you have no power at the green wire on the washer switch, the most likely cause is the green wire connection at Fuse #8. Wire itself is seldom the problem. Connections are normally the problem. Connections corrode over time or get pulled loose while working on some unrelated problem. If the green wire connection at the fuse is good (and you have power at the fuse) and you have no power at the washer or wiper switch, I would recommend installing a new wire from Fuse #8 to the wiper washer switches. This can be done much, much easier than pulling the dash. Use a unique color so you will remember why that wire is there. Put the wire in temporarily so you can test that it will fix the problem. Be very, very careful when installing or removing wires from the switches. The terminals on the switches are easily broken and this will produce, believe me, a profound sinking feeling. BTW an easy way to remove and install the wiper and washer switches is described, with pictures, at: http://www.panteraplace.com/Electrical/Wiper%20Switch%20Removal.PDF. Let me know what you find. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill " SO Bill will just say "aw, shucks" but the truth cannot be denied! from all of us . . . . __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9519 (20140309) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From theemonkey at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 16:56:16 2014 From: theemonkey at yahoo.com (richard boschert) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... Message-ID: <1394484976.64560.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Kirby,i have Basset Inertia's in 15X14 and 15x10 with slicks on my GT5 flared car.They are a great lightweight steel wheel.I believe the 14 inch wide ones were 23 lbs each and the 10 inch wide ones were 21 pounds each.They clear my Wilwood 4 piston superlite calipers,that have 12.5 inch? rotors.They do NOT clear the REAR lower a arms,so measure your backspace and width accordingly.See attached pic of the rear a arms next to the edge of my wheels.You will need different lug nuts as the seat angle is different. For what it is worth i think the D wheel looks better but it is also a pound or two heavier. They will also powder coat them in any color you want,but will need a sample of the color. Richard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: afterrearslicks.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 513785 bytes Desc: not available URL: From theemonkey at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 17:12:05 2014 From: theemonkey at yahoo.com (richard boschert) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... Message-ID: <1394485925.79679.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Are the Bassets steel? If so, how much do they weigh? My 15x14 and 15x10 steel Basset wheels are the Inertia series with Hoosier radial slicks(not DOT street,but real slicks which are lighter) averaged between 11 and 12 pounds LIGHTER than my 18x13 and 18x10 aluminum Kinesis wheels with Toyo R888 tires. I ordered 15x13 and 15x11 Basset D wheels for street use recently and they should be here soon.PS,it took 6 weeks to get them made,but i had them chromed so it takes longer. PSS,i got the Michelin TB15 tires from http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ I am in California,and they took just over a week to get to me from England,and they were $200 a tire cheaper than Coker tire here in the USA.Bonus of free shipping as well! Richard From tmshinro at aol.com Mon Mar 10 17:15:52 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra Message-ID: <8D10ABD0D78A70F-1580-2B246@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). There is one listed on eBay right now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/261419333228?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Tom 5186 -------------- next part -------------- Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). There is one listed on eBay right now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/26141 9333228?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Tom 5186 From theemonkey at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 17:17:30 2014 From: theemonkey at yahoo.com (richard boschert) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Message-ID: <1394486250.87137.YahooMailBasic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Don,do you need stock Pantera calipers?I believe i have a full set of good stock calipers,booster,master cylinder,and 3(1 is MIA) brake rotors that Bob Benson took off his car when he went into upgrade mode and that he would like to sell. If you do reply to Bob or i.I believe they will be cheap : ) Richard From michael at michaelshortt.com Mon Mar 10 17:27:18 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:27:18 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra In-Reply-To: <8D10ABD0D78A70F-1580-2B246@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D10ABD0D78A70F-1580-2B246@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have one for sale as well, it is for a car with hood grills. Michael Shortt On Mar 10, 2014 5:17 PM, "Tom Shinrock" wrote: > Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). > There is one listed on eBay right now. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/26141 > 9333228?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > Tom > 5186 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- I have one for sale as well, it is for a car with hood grills. Michael Shortt On Mar 10, 2014 5:17 PM, "Tom Shinrock" <[1]tmshinro at aol.com> wrote: Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). There is one listed on eBay right now. [2]http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW- /26141 9333228?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Tom 5186 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/26141 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gaino at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 18:23:48 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:23:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Message-ID: <14172858.1394490229097.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I checked out the 505 rears, they are close but not exact. As long as they make rebuild kits and many old take offs available. I suggest build a spare set or upgrade to A Wilwood kit. I sent my spares to hughesracingbrakes.com and had mine rebuilt for 100$ less than new Wilwoods ... I think newer is better. Bill 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Bjoern Flesland >Sent: Mar 10, 2014 10:24 AM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? > > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From tgr289 at verizon.net Mon Mar 10 19:49:49 2014 From: tgr289 at verizon.net (Jim Ferrara) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:49:49 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? In-Reply-To: <14172858.1394490229097.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14172858.1394490229097.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401cf3cbb$6fbecd40$4f3c67c0$@verizon.net> How 'bout Saab? - saw these on a British Car Show and thought they looked eerily familiar? http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/39617/Disc-Brake-Caliper-Front-Driver-Side-2 209102L/#axzz2vbghMEzx -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of bill gaino Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:24 PM To: Bjoern Flesland; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? I checked out the 505 rears, they are close but not exact. As long as they make rebuild kits and many old take offs available. I suggest build a spare set or upgrade to A Wilwood kit. I sent my spares to hughesracingbrakes.com and had mine rebuilt for 100$ less than new Wilwoods ... I think newer is better. Bill 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Bjoern Flesland >Sent: Mar 10, 2014 10:24 AM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? > > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tmshinro at aol.com Mon Mar 10 20:56:42 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Mecum Car Of The Day In-Reply-To: <2.1.2.1101042662.993177.8066207514@e.mecumauction.com> References: <2.1.2.1101042662.993177.8066207514@e.mecumauction.com> Message-ID: <8D10ADBE6A72AA7-1580-2CDA3@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Click on the Pantera to see particulars To view an online version of this email, click here . 1974 DeTomaso Pantera GTS - 351 CI, 5-Speed, 763 Miles Presented as Lot S130.1 , this DeTomaso is scheduled to cross the block on Saturday, April 12. 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Here is a link to their Pantera listing. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184938&utm_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S130.1 Tom 5186 -------------- next part -------------- Apparently my forward of the email I received from Mecum didn't show the picture embedded in their email. Here is a link to their Pantera listing. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184938&utm_s ource=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S130.1 Tom 5186 From ehpantera at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 23:55:10 2014 From: ehpantera at yahoo.com (mark skwarek) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Mecum Car of the Day In-Reply-To: <8D10ADCA55F4566-1580-2CE51@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D10ADCA55F4566-1580-2CE51@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1394510110.52093.YahooMailNeo@web140903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> This car was not sold at the Kissimmee auction.? Mark On Monday, March 10, 2014 9:03 PM, Tom Shinrock wrote: ? Apparently my forward of the email I received from Mecum didn't show ? the picture embedded in their email. ? Here is a link to their Pantera listing. ? http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184938&utm_s ? ource=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S130.1 ? Tom ? 5186 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- This car was not sold at the Kissimmee auction. Mark On Monday, March 10, 2014 9:03 PM, Tom Shinrock wrote: Apparently my forward of the email I received from Mecum didn't show the picture embedded in their email. Here is a link to their Pantera listing. [1]http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184938&ut m_s ource=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HA0414-S130.1 Tom 5186 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=HA0414-184938&utm_s 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From dtpantera at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 00:48:05 2014 From: dtpantera at gmail.com (Don Thomas) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:48:05 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? In-Reply-To: <1394486250.87137.YahooMailBasic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1394486250.87137.YahooMailBasic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually, I was just wondering. I swapped out my calipers a long time ago... I was just wondering what other cars the calipers were on... And see if they are worth anything? Best regards, -dt Don Thomas On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, richard boschert wrote: > Don,do you need stock Pantera calipers?I believe i have a full set of good > stock calipers,booster,master cylinder,and 3(1 is MIA) brake rotors that > Bob Benson took off his car when he went into upgrade mode and that he > would like to sell. > > If you do reply to Bob or i.I believe they will be cheap : ) > > Richard > -------------- next part -------------- Actually, I was just wondering. I swapped out my calipers a long time ago... I was just wondering what other cars the calipers were on... And see if they are worth anything? Best regards, -dt Don Thomas On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, richard boschert <[1]theemonkey at yahoo.com> wrote: Don,do you need stock Pantera calipers?I believe i have a full set of good stock calipers,booster,master cylinder,and 3(1 is MIA) brake rotors that Bob Benson took off his car when he went into upgrade mode and that he would like to sell. If you do reply to Bob or i.I believe they will be cheap : ) Richard References 1. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com From guson at home.se Tue Mar 11 03:32:06 2014 From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:32:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Message-ID: They are "similar" but share nothing with our calipers. I too wondered if they would fit but nothing matches our cars, mounting points and rotor thickness are off. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Jim Ferrara [tgr289 at verizon.net] Sent: 10/3/2014 11:49:49 PM To: gaino at earthlink.net;bflesland at gmail.com;detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? How 'bout Saab? - saw these on a British Car Show and thought they looked eerily familiar? http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/39617/Disc-Brake-Caliper-Front-Driver-Si de-2 209102L/#axzz2vbghMEzx -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of bill gaino Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:24 PM To: Bjoern Flesland; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? I checked out the 505 rears, they are close but not exact. As long as they make rebuild kits and many old take offs available. I suggest build a spare set or upgrade to A Wilwood kit. I sent my spares to hughesracingbrakes.com and had mine rebuilt for 100$ less than new Wilwoods ... I think newer is better. Bill 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Bjoern Flesland >Sent: Mar 10, 2014 10:24 AM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? > > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref =ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com .

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Annons: Hitta k?rleken p? M?tesplatsen.se ? Bli medlem Gratis nu -------------- next part -------------- They are "similar" but share nothing with our calipers. I too wondered if they would fit but nothing matches our cars, mounting points and rotor thickness are off. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Jim Ferrara [tgr289 at verizon.net] Sent: 10/3/2014 11:49:49 PM To: gaino at earthlink.net;bflesland at gmail.com;detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? How 'bout Saab? - saw these on a British Car Show and thought they looked eerily familiar? http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/39617/Disc-Brake-Caliper-Front-Driver-S ide-2 209102L/#axzz2vbghMEzx -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of bill gaino Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:24 PM To: Bjoern Flesland; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? I checked out the 505 rears, they are close but not exact. As long as they make rebuild kits and many old take offs available. I suggest build a spare set or upgrade to A Wilwood kit. I sent my spares to hughesracingbrakes.com and had mine rebuilt for 100$ less than new Wilwoods ... I think newer is better. Bill 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Bjoern Flesland >Sent: Mar 10, 2014 10:24 AM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? > > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre f=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com . _______________________________________________________________ Annons: [1]Hitta kaerleken paa Moetesplatsen.se Bli medlem Gratis nu References 1. http://adserver.adtech.de/?adlink|3.0|1297|4819575|1|16|AdId=9776362;BnId=1;link=http://rms.admeta.com/public/transfer.asp?sitebanner_id=4723912 From guson at home.se Tue Mar 11 10:44:41 2014 From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:44:41 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Message-ID: <98EDBC9315134FF08A0238636AB3739F@mail2world.com> I have pics of such calipers installed on a Pantera (not mine). Over here those calipers are common and would make sense for someone who had terminally bad stock calipers and wanted a quick and easy replacement. It's not an upgrade but not much of a downgrade either. Brake pad size is similar so they should take the same kind of abusement as the stock units. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Sean Korb [spkorb at gmail.com] Sent: 10/3/2014 2:41:10 PM To: bflesland at gmail.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Line 1169 Girling four piston calipers from a Volvo 240 1991-1992 with Vented rotors and ABS are reported to interchange with Pantera Calipers So... no. They're not Volvo, just that a later Volvo has something similar to the Pantera which is where my confusion comes from. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Bjoern Flesland wrote: > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. 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Annons: Hitta k?rleken p? M?tesplatsen.se ? Bli medlem Gratis nu -------------- next part -------------- I have pics of such calipers installed on a Pantera (not mine). Over here those calipers are common and would make sense for someone who had terminally bad stock calipers and wanted a quick and easy replacement. It's not an upgrade but not much of a downgrade either. Brake pad size is similar so they should take the same kind of abusement as the stock units. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Sean Korb [spkorb at gmail.com] Sent: 10/3/2014 2:41:10 PM To: bflesland at gmail.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Original Brake Calipers on other cars? Line 1169 Girling four piston calipers from a Volvo 240 1991-1992 with Vented rotors and ABS are reported to interchange with Pantera Calipers So... no. They're not Volvo, just that a later Volvo has something similar to the Pantera which is where my confusion comes from. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Bjoern Flesland wrote: > Really? Volvo front as OEM DeTomaso? > Cheers Bjoern > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Peugeot 505 for the back and Volvo for the front. Pretty > sure > its all in SOBill's database. Have to look it up. > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Don Thomas <[2]dtpantera at gmail.com> > wrote: > > What other car had the same calipers as the Pantera ? > > Was it Peugeot ? > > Best regards, > > -dt > > Don Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com > 2. mailto:dtpantera at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com . _______________________________________________________________ Annons: [1]Hitta kaerleken paa Moetesplatsen.se Bli medlem Gratis nu References 1. http://adserver.adtech.de/?adlink|3.0|1297|4819575|1|16|AdId=9776362;BnId=1;link=http://rms.admeta.com/public/transfer.asp?sitebanner_id=4723912 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 11 13:00:25 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:00:25 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Message-ID: Hi guys, The inaugural Desert Concorso (brought to you by the Concorso Italiano people) is coming up on 30 March in Palm Desert, CA. There are only three Panteras loses as being signed up as of now. There is plenty of room--where are the rest of you? Mike Sent from my iPhone From fresnofinches at aol.com Tue Mar 11 13:17:42 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Message-ID: <8D10B64F267BF70-2640-320A2@webmail-m239.sysops.aol.com> Where are the rest of us? Possible answers: ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from the Concorso Cartel ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. YMMV ;-) Larry -------------- next part -------------- Where are the rest of us? Possible answers: ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from the Concorso Cartel ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. YMMV ;-) Larry From rob at dumoulins.net Tue Mar 11 14:55:45 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:55:45 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <8D10B64F267BF70-2640-320A2@webmail-m239.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D10B64F267BF70-2640-320A2@webmail-m239.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Larry, now tell us how you really feel :) Rob On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Larry Finch wrote: > Where are the rest of us? > Possible answers: > ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. > ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area > ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from > the Concorso Cartel > ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter > here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) > ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to > Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the > arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. > ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO > AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. > ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average > April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. > ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red > Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. > YMMV ;-) > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Larry, now tell us how you really feel :) Rob On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Larry Finch <[1]fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote: Where are the rest of us? Possible answers: ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from the Concorso Cartel ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. YMMV ;-) Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From dave at damardirect.com Tue Mar 11 15:12:53 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:12:53 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra In-Reply-To: <8D10ABD0D78A70F-1580-2B246@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D10ABD0D78A70F-1580-2B246@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Michael Shortt has a bra for sale . With cut outs for grills. (Larry will do well with this. I can hear the gears turning from here. Larry is the king of cut-outs) IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Tom Shinrock [mailto:tmshinro at aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 5:16 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). There is one listed on eBay right now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/261419333228?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Tom 5186 From pcajthaml at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 15:17:09 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:17:09 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Ford Promo for the movie Need for Speed Message-ID: all - I thought that you might enjoy this. (got it from a grade school / high school classmate - we graduated 8th grade in 1972) - that was a good year :) *From:* Go Further [mailto:BulkMail at Ford.Com] *Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2014 11:14 AM *To:* Our Team *Subject:* Help Us Spread the News about Need for Speed [image: Need for Speed Opportunity] *Need for Speed*, the No. 1 driving video game, with more than 120 million units sold and 3.8 billion in retail sales, is now being made into a major motion picture. This film is a great opportunity for Ford to connect with gamers globally - including more than 16.8 million Facebook fans. This Friday, the film Need for Speed debuts in theaters and the 2015 Ford Mustang will make its first appearance on the silver screen. Along with the all-new Mustang, a modified Ford F-450 "Beast" and a modified 2013 Mustang "Beauty" - driven by the lead character played by Aaron Paul from *Breaking Bad* - also will be in the film. Ford is the official automotive partner for the film and before the movie hits the big screen, we want you to help us spread the word. Copy the link to the video below and share it with your social media networks. [image: Need for Speed Opportunity] This unprecedented opportunity to have our vehicles cast in leading roles allows for mass reach to both current Ford and Mustang loyalists and will influence a new breed of enthusiast - gamers, auto/racing enthusiasts and entertainment fans. Click here to hear a special message from Scott Waugh, the director of *Need for Speed*. Thanks to everyone who participates in spreading the word about the exciting news that is happening at Ford. -------------- next part -------------- all - I thought that you might enjoy this. (got it from a grade school / high school classmate - we graduated 8th grade in 1972) - that was a good year :) From: Go Further [mailto:[1]BulkMail at Ford.Com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:14 AM To: Our Team Subject: Help Us Spread the News about Need for Speed Need for Speed Opportunity Need for Speed, the No. 1 driving video game, with more than 120 million units sold and 3.8 billion in retail sales, is now being made into a major motion picture. This film is a great opportunity for Ford to connect with gamers globally - including more than 16.8 million Facebook fans. This Friday, the film Need for Speed debuts in theaters and the [2]2015 Ford Mustang will make its first appearance on the silver screen. Along with the all-new Mustang, a modified Ford F-450 "Beast" and a modified 2013 Mustang "Beauty" - driven by the lead character played by Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad - also will be in the film. Ford is the official automotive partner for the film and before the movie hits the big screen, we want you to help us spread the word. Copy the link to the video below and share it with your social media networks. [3]Need for Speed Opportunity This unprecedented opportunity to have our vehicles cast in leading roles allows for mass reach to both current Ford and Mustang loyalists and will influence a new breed of enthusiast - gamers, auto/racing enthusiasts and entertainment fans. [4]Click here to hear a special message from Scott Waugh, the director of Need for Speed. Thanks to everyone who participates in spreading the word about the exciting news that is happening at Ford. References 1. mailto:BulkMail at Ford.Com 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLPlQythhs 3. http://youtu.be/DxHOME9_op4 4. http://youtu.be/g8MTii-sqyY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Larry is the king of cut-outs) > >IndyDave > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Shinrock [tmshinro at aol.com','','','')">tmshinro at aol.com] >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 5:16 PM >To: detomaso at poca.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra > >Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). > >There is one listed on eBay right now. > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/261419333228\?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > >Tom >5186 > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From eb0711 at kolumbus.fi Tue Mar 11 17:15:44 2014 From: eb0711 at kolumbus.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Janne_M=E4ki-Pet=E4j=E4?=) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 23:15:44 +0200 Subject: [DeTomaso] Selling my -71 In-Reply-To: <531F7C5B.9000504@maki-petaja.fi> References: <531F7C5B.9000504@maki-petaja.fi> Message-ID: <531F7D00.4030200@kolumbus.fi> Hi Guys, Hope it's ok to advertise the sale of your own car here? I'm thinking about selling my -71 Pre-L, US-model Pantera. The car is a decent driver, which I have driven a 5000km round trip from Finland to Le Mans already once to hone out the bugs. And quite a bit here as well. If you know someone in Europe who could be interested, I can be reached from janne(at)maki-petaja.fi for lot more information. It's near Helsinki, Finland. And if someone wonders if I'm still going to attend this years LMC (Actually Charlie's tour, with small detour to LMC), the answer is yes, absolutely! Either with Pantera, if I still have it, or with something else. :D Cheers, Janne From cengles at cox.net Tue Mar 11 17:59:58 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:59:58 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> Dear Larry, From the heart of the mid continent exotic sports car wasteland, I wondered why there was such a low turnout for the Concorso event from Mike Drew's email. I need wonder no more. You have revealed all the aspects of the lack of enthusiasm for Concorso. It's not like the good ol' days, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:18 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Where are the rest of us? Possible answers: ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from the Concorso Cartel ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. YMMV ;-) Larry From spkorb at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 18:16:16 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:16:16 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Ultimate Track Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Come on, doesn't anyone want to visit me? You can see my house 20 miles away from the track (and you can sleep there too if you bring a sleeping bag). It's a seriously nice track. It will make you happy and might make you clench muscles you forgot about. http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/virginia-international-raceway-repaved-new-surface/ sean On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Korb wrote: > Anyone have a Pantera up for this? Very heavy competition but I think > several of us on this list (not me) has the right mods. > http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/50-drivers-invited-ultimate-track-car-challenge/ > > I just want to see more of our cars dominating the magazine pages. > > sean > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From audionut at hushmail.com Tue Mar 11 18:34:21 2014 From: audionut at hushmail.com (audionut at hushmail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> Message-ID: <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> Everyone feel free to kick my ass on this one but.... Other than physically being assembled/built in Italy by Italians, is the Pantera really a thoroughbred "Italian" car in the same way, say, Lambo and Ferrari are? Birthed by an Argentinian, designed by a Swede (guessing on that one....), powered by an American.... We show up at Concorso Italiano's like a blue mohawk'd, punk rock 3rd cousin shows up at a royal family wedding. We are invited, of course, but if we aren't there does anybody notice? Sent using Hushmail On March 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM, "Charles Engles" wrote:Dear Larry, From the heart of the mid continent exotic sports car wasteland, I wondered why there was such a low turnout for the Concorso event from Mike Drew's email. I need wonder no more. You have revealed all the aspects of the lack of enthusiasm for Concorso. It's not like the good ol' days, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:18 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Where are the rest of us? Possible answers: ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from the Concorso Cartel ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. YMMV ;-) Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Everyone feel free to kick my ass on this one but.... Other than physically being assembled/built in Italy by Italians, is the Pantera really a thoroughbred "Italian" car in the same way, say, Lambo and Ferrari are? Birthed by an Argentinian, designed by a Swede (guessing on that one....), powered by an American.... We show up at Concorso Italiano's like a blue mohawk'd, punk rock 3rd cousin shows up at a royal family wedding. We are invited, of course, but if we aren't there does anybody notice? Sent using Hushmail On March 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM, "Charles Engles" wrote: Dear Larry, From the heart of the mid continent exotic sports car wasteland, I wondered why there was such a low turnout for the Concorso event from Mike Drew's email. I need wonder no more. You have revealed all the aspects of the lack of enthusiasm for Concorso. It's not like the good ol' days, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:18 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Where are the rest of us? Possible answers: ... Saving enough money for Monterey Concorso. ... Not willing to drive 450 miles, one way, from Bay Area ... Not interested in just another apparent money-grab production from the Concorso Cartel ... Still getting Winter projects completed. Yes, it is still Winter here in 70-80 degree, Sunny California. :-) ... Personal silent protest over the Monterey Concorso's move to Saturday which is a terrible conflict with the arguably 'best' day of Laguna Seca racing. ... The once-a-year Monterey Concorso exposure to the LOOK AT MY LAMBO AND ITS LOUD PAINT crowd is enough. ... Fear of repeat of previous inept entry procedures where average April temp in Palm Desert is 88. March is 81. ... One day of poser, gold-chain, trophy-wife,"OHHH, LOOK, a red Ferrari !!!" exposure is enough for the year. YMMV ;-) Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bill at incendium.com Tue Mar 11 18:41:03 2014 From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:41:03 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <512031808-1394577661-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1233150781-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Bend over and stand by for an ass kickin. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 11 18:58:54 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:58:54 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <512031808-1394577661-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1233150781-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <512031808-1394577661-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1233150781-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Designed by an AMERICAN. Swift kick. Michael Shortt On Mar 11, 2014 6:42 PM, "Bill Moore" wrote: > Bend over and stand by for an ass kickin. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 > 15:34:21 > To: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Designed by an AMERICAN. Swift kick. Michael Shortt On Mar 11, 2014 6:42 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: Bend over and stand by for an ass kickin. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bflesland at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 19:04:38 2014 From: bflesland at gmail.com (Bjoern Flesland) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:04:38 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <512031808-1394577661-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1233150781-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Dutch origin... Cheers Bjoern On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:58 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Designed by an AMERICAN. > > Swift kick. > > Michael Shortt > > On Mar 11, 2014 6:42 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: > > Bend over and stand by for an ass kickin. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Dutch origin... Cheers Bjoern On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:58 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Designed by an AMERICAN. Swift kick. Michael Shortt On Mar 11, 2014 6:42 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][3]bill at incendium.com> wrote: Bend over and stand by for an ass kickin. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2][4]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4][6]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][7]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][9]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[11]bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:[12]audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[15]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:[17]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. 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In-Reply-To: <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bflesland at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 19:13:44 2014 From: bflesland at gmail.com (Bjoern Flesland) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:13:44 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Girling (UK) brakes... Cheers Bjoern On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Bill Moore wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 > 15:34:21 > To: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Girling (UK) brakes... Cheers Bjoern On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 11 19:19:41 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:19:41 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 > 15:34:21 > To: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 20:24:38 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: It is Italian because it looks Italian. Is a bleach blonde not a blonde? Who cares where her body was made. The only thing that matters is what she looks like . On 3/11/14 6:19 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" wrote: > American Body Design > Italian Body Construction > Italian Suspension Design > American Engine > German Transaxle > British/Italian Electrics > Italian Wheels > American Tires > Brakes ? > Italian Taillights > > Michael > > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: > > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 20:27:23 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:27:23 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra In-Reply-To: <45826.1394565724@ohiotimecorp.com> References: <45826.1394565724@ohiotimecorp.com> Message-ID: And what do you put on a grill?? Anyone? On 3/11/14 2:22 PM, "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" wrote: >The Bra is priced well, but the tassels can be very costly in more ways >then one??? > > >Larry (painful too) - Cleveland > > > >On Tue Mar 11 15:12 , Dave sent: > >>Michael Shortt has a bra for sale . With cut outs for grills. >>(Larry will do well with this. I can hear the gears turning from here. >>Larry is the king of cut-outs) >> >>IndyDave >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tom Shinrock [tmshinro at aol.com','','','')">tmshinro at aol.com] >>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 5:16 PM >>To: detomaso at poca.com >>Subject: [DeTomaso] Bra >> >>Someone was looking for a bra not to long ago (easy Larry). >> >>There is one listed on eBay right now. >> >>http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETOMASO-PANTERA-BRA-1971-1972-PRE-L-NEW-/2614193 >>33228\?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 >> >>Tom >>5186 >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >>DeTomaso mailing list >>DeTomaso at poca.com >>http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: HotDogHolder.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 17047 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 11 19:28:22 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:28:22 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Cuffs and Collars? Not a lot of cuffs worn anymore. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:24 PM, "Will Kooiman" wrote: > It is Italian because it looks Italian. > > Is a bleach blonde not a blonde? Who cares where her body was made. The > only thing that matters is what she looks like . > > On 3/11/14 6:19 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" > wrote: > > > American Body Design > > Italian Body Construction > > Italian Suspension Design > > American Engine > > German Transaxle > > British/Italian Electrics > > Italian Wheels > > American Tires > > Brakes ? > > Italian Taillights > > > > Michael > > > > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: > > > > You forgot the German transaxle. > > Bill Moore > > Incendium Supply > > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com > > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar > > 2014 15:34:21 > > To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [5]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > >References > > > > 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com > > 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com > > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >DeTomaso at poca.com > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- Cuffs and Collars? Not a lot of cuffs worn anymore. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:24 PM, "Will Kooiman" <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote: It is Italian because it looks Italian. Is a bleach blonde not a blonde? Who cares where her body was made. The only thing that matters is what she looks like . On 3/11/14 6:19 PM, "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > American Body Design > Italian Body Construction > Italian Suspension Design > American Engine > German Transaxle > British/Italian Electrics > Italian Wheels > American Tires > Brakes ? > Italian Taillights > > Michael > > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][4]bill at incendium.com> wrote: > > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2][5]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4][7]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5][8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7][10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:[12]bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:[13]audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:[14]detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:[15]detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:[16]DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. 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[19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >[20]DeTomaso at poca.com >[21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:bill at incendium.com 5. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:bill at incendium.com 13. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 14. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 20:20:56 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:20:56 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <1394485925.79679.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1394485925.79679.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <095B60CF-66DA-42D6-87BF-041D12381309@gmail.com> Richard, Yes, they are steel. Weights vary depending on width and size. The weights are all listed on their website. They also told me they have literally thousands of other sizes/part numbers to fit any application. Just call. I confirmed back spacings tonight and I?m going to order the Inertia series tomorrow. The Bassett guy said that model was their strongest, plus it ?matches? my Gottis. :-) As I said before, you have to use their lug nuts. 45 degrees vs standard 60 degrees. You also have to find a place to balance lug centric wheels or buy the adapter at $400! He said 3-4 days for the powder coated versions. FWIW, Kirby On Mar 10, 2014, at 16:12, richard boschert wrote: > Are the Bassets steel? > > If so, how much do they weigh? > > My 15x14 and 15x10 steel Basset wheels are the Inertia series with Hoosier radial slicks(not DOT street,but real slicks which are lighter) averaged between 11 and 12 pounds LIGHTER than my 18x13 and 18x10 aluminum Kinesis wheels with Toyo R888 tires. > > I ordered 15x13 and 15x11 Basset D wheels for street use recently and they should be here soon.PS,it took 6 weeks to get them made,but i had them chromed so it takes longer. > > PSS,i got the Michelin TB15 tires from http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ > > I am in California,and they took just over a week to get to me from England,and they were $200 a tire cheaper than Coker tire here in the USA.Bonus of free shipping as well! > > > Richard From mbefthomas at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 21:29:12 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:29:12 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Ultimate Track Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05bb01cf3d92$79898950$6c9c9bf0$@comcast.net> Hey, it's not your fault, it's the asphalt . . . -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Sean Korb Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:16 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ultimate Track Car Come on, doesn't anyone want to visit me? You can see my house 20 miles away from the track (and you can sleep there too if you bring a sleeping bag). It's a seriously nice track. It will make you happy and might make you clench muscles you forgot about. http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/virginia-international-raceway-repaved -new-surface/ sean On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Korb wrote: > Anyone have a Pantera up for this? Very heavy competition but I think > several of us on this list (not me) has the right mods. > http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/50-drivers-invited-ultimate-trac > k-car-challenge/ > > I just want to see more of our cars dominating the magazine pages. > > sean > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 11 22:40:06 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:40:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <095B60CF-66DA-42D6-87BF-041D12381309@gmail.com> References: <1394485925.79679.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <095B60CF-66DA-42D6-87BF-041D12381309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <531FC906.3080309@asajay.com> "Thousands of other sizes" says to me they should offer more than just 15" diameter and less. How about some 17" and 18"? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/11/2014 5:20 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Richard, > > Yes, they are steel. > > Weights vary depending on width and size. The weights are all listed on their website. > They also told me they have literally thousands of other sizes/part numbers to fit any application. Just call. > > I confirmed back spacings tonight and I?m going to order the Inertia series tomorrow. > The Bassett guy said that model was their strongest, plus it ?matches? my Gottis. > :-) > > As I said before, you have to use their lug nuts. 45 degrees vs standard 60 degrees. > You also have to find a place to balance lug centric wheels or buy the adapter at $400! > > He said 3-4 days for the powder coated versions. > > FWIW, > Kirby > > On Mar 10, 2014, at 16:12, richard boschert wrote: > >> Are the Bassets steel? >> >> If so, how much do they weigh? >> >> My 15x14 and 15x10 steel Basset wheels are the Inertia series with Hoosier radial slicks(not DOT street,but real slicks which are lighter) averaged between 11 and 12 pounds LIGHTER than my 18x13 and 18x10 aluminum Kinesis wheels with Toyo R888 tires. >> >> I ordered 15x13 and 15x11 Basset D wheels for street use recently and they should be here soon.PS,it took 6 weeks to get them made,but i had them chromed so it takes longer. >> >> PSS,i got the Michelin TB15 tires from http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ >> >> I am in California,and they took just over a week to get to me from England,and they were $200 a tire cheaper than Coker tire here in the USA.Bonus of free shipping as well! >> >> >> Richard > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6680 - Release Date: 03/11/14 > > > From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 11 22:49:06 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:49:06 -1000 Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <531FC906.3080309@asajay.com> References: <1394485925.79679.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <095B60CF-66DA-42D6-87BF-041D12381309@gmail.com> <531FC906.3080309@asajay.com> Message-ID: AJ, Why would they bother offering any other diameter besides 15-inch? They are a racing wheel company. American race cars use 15 inch wheels. There would be no measurable market for anything else because rules don't allow them. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2014, at 16:40, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > "Thousands of other sizes" says to me they should offer more than just > 15" diameter and less. How about some 17" and 18"? > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/11/2014 5:20 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Yes, they are steel. >> >> Weights vary depending on width and size. The weights are all listed on their website. >> They also told me they have literally thousands of other sizes/part numbers to fit any application. Just call. >> >> I confirmed back spacings tonight and I?m going to order the Inertia series tomorrow. >> The Bassett guy said that model was their strongest, plus it ?matches? my Gottis. >> :-) >> >> As I said before, you have to use their lug nuts. 45 degrees vs standard 60 degrees. >> You also have to find a place to balance lug centric wheels or buy the adapter at $400! >> >> He said 3-4 days for the powder coated versions. >> >> FWIW, >> Kirby >> >> On Mar 10, 2014, at 16:12, richard boschert wrote: >> >>> Are the Bassets steel? >>> >>> If so, how much do they weigh? >>> >>> My 15x14 and 15x10 steel Basset wheels are the Inertia series with Hoosier radial slicks(not DOT street,but real slicks which are lighter) averaged between 11 and 12 pounds LIGHTER than my 18x13 and 18x10 aluminum Kinesis wheels with Toyo R888 tires. >>> >>> I ordered 15x13 and 15x11 Basset D wheels for street use recently and they should be here soon.PS,it took 6 weeks to get them made,but i had them chromed so it takes longer. >>> >>> PSS,i got the Michelin TB15 tires from http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ >>> >>> I am in California,and they took just over a week to get to me from England,and they were $200 a tire cheaper than Coker tire here in the USA.Bonus of free shipping as well! >>> >>> >>> Richard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6680 - Release Date: 03/11/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 22:49:35 2014 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> American Tires? What brand might that be? ________________________________ From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: Bill Moore Cc: detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? ? American Body Design ? Italian Body Construction ? Italian Suspension Design ? American Engine ? German Transaxle ? British/Italian Electrics ? Italian Wheels ? American Tires ? Brakes ? ? Italian Taillights ? Michael ? On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: ? ? You forgot the German transaxle. ? ? Bill Moore ? ? Incendium Supply ? ? Calgary ? ? -----Original Message----- ? ? From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com ? ? Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar ? ? 2014 15:34:21 ? ? To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? ? DeTomaso mailing list ? ? [5]DeTomaso at poca.com ? ? [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? ? DeTomaso mailing list ? ? [7]DeTomaso at poca.com ? ? [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References ? 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com ? 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com ? 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com ? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com ? 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- American Tires? What brand might that be? From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: Bill Moore Cc: detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2][2]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4][4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[9]bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:[10]audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:[12]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[13]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. 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[16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:bill at incendium.com 10. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 11. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 11 22:58:43 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:58:43 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on Contientals I think. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" wrote: > American Tires? What brand might that be? > *From:* "michael at michaelshortt.com" > *To:* Bill Moore > *Cc:* detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > American Body Design > Italian Body Construction > Italian Suspension Design > American Engine > German Transaxle > British/Italian Electrics > Italian Wheels > American Tires > Brakes ? > Italian Taillights > > Michael > > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: > > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on Contientals I think. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote: American Tires? What brand might that be? From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com> Cc: [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][7]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2][8]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4][10]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][11]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][13]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[15]bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:[16]audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:[18]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[19]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:[21]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [23]DeTomaso at poca.com [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:bill at incendium.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:bill at incendium.com 8. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:bill at incendium.com 16. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From hougan at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 23:02:55 2014 From: hougan at verizon.net (The Hougans) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:02:55 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: GOODYEAR -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Curt Hall American Tires? What brand might that be? From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 23:11:58 2014 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1394593918.18374.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, many years. ________________________________ From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: Curt Hall Cc: detomaso at poca.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on Contientals I think. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" wrote: American Tires? What brand might that be? > > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >To: Bill Moore >Cc: detomaso-bounces at poca.com; detomaso at poca.com >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > >? American Body Design >? Italian Body Construction >? Italian Suspension Design >? American Engine >? German Transaxle >? British/Italian Electrics >? Italian Wheels >? American Tires >? Brakes ? >? Italian Taillights > >? Michael > >? On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote: > >? ? You forgot the German transaxle. >? ? Bill Moore >? ? Incendium Supply >? ? Calgary >? ? -----Original Message----- >? ? From: [2]audionut at hushmail.com >? ? Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar >? ? 2014 15:34:21 >? ? To: <[4]detomaso at poca.com> >? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? >? ? _______________________________________________ >? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >? ? DeTomaso mailing list >? ? [5]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? ? _______________________________________________ >? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >? ? DeTomaso mailing list >? ? [7]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > >? 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com >? 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com >? 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com >? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, many years. From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: Curt Hall Cc: detomaso at poca.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on Contientals I think. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote: American Tires? What brand might that be? From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com> Cc: [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][7]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2][8]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4][10]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][11]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][13]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[15]bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:[16]audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:[18]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[19]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:[21]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [23]DeTomaso at poca.com [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:bill at incendium.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:bill at incendium.com 8. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:bill at incendium.com 16. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jgkrenton at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 00:47:06 2014 From: jgkrenton at comcast.net (jgkrenton at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 04:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2141873108.483189.1394599626703.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> OK, usually I stay out of these sort of conversations...? Something about keeping ones mouth shut so you don't prove something you'd really prefer not to?prove... ? But... ? #1, I think the original window motors, and maybe the headlight motors?are French.? We can't leave them out of the fray.. ? Then, the Pantera is, as are most Americans, a "Mutt.".? It's heritage is mixed. ?Parts come from all over the place. It doesn't have enough cams, cylinders?or fancy/beautiful aluminum castings to be a "Thoroughbred". But it can still kick-ass... ? In my highly biased opinion, it's an "Italian Hot Rod". Sort of like a "72-duce coupe".??Few people?leave them "stock", usually for good reasons.. (like brakes and cooling to mention a few..).? But the end result of the "Hot-Rodding" produces a car that few can beat and it's great "eye-candy".?The body style appeal ?has survived much longer than many of the "Thoroughbreds" of the time. ? Like the bleached blond, just because it wasn't born from a fancy family, doesn't mean it's not "HOT". .. Strangers drool over it and many of the "Thoroughbreds" hide when they see (hear) it coming. ? The real question is "would you introduce it to your mother?". ? Your experience may vary... ? Jeff/2467. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael at michaelshortt.com To: "Bill Moore" Cc: detomaso-bounces at poca.com, detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19:41 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael ?On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 > 15:34:21 > To: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- OK, usually I stay out of these sort of conversations... Something about keeping ones mouth shut so you don't prove something you'd really prefer not to prove... But... #1, I think the original window motors, and maybe the headlight motors are French. We can't leave them out of the fray.. Then, the Pantera is, as are most Americans, a "Mutt.". It's heritage is mixed. Parts come from all over the place. It doesn't have enough cams, cylinders or fancy/beautiful aluminum castings to be a "Thoroughbred". But it can still kick-ass... In my highly biased opinion, it's an "Italian Hot Rod". Sort of like a "72-duce coupe". Few people leave them "stock", usually for good reasons.. (like brakes and cooling to mention a few..). But the end result of the "Hot-Rodding" produces a car that few can beat and it's great "eye-candy". The body style appeal has survived much longer than many of the "Thoroughbreds" of the time. Like the bleached blond, just because it wasn't born from a fancy family, doesn't mean it's not "HOT"... Strangers drool over it and many of the "Thoroughbreds" hide when they see (hear) it coming. The real question is "would you introduce it to your mother?". Your experience may vary... Jeff/2467. __________________________________________________________________ From: michael at michaelshortt.com To: "Bill Moore" Cc: detomaso-bounces at poca.com, detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19:41 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 > 15:34:21 > To: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jb841 at cox.net Wed Mar 12 01:11:11 2014 From: jb841 at cox.net (John Buckman) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:11:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Message-ID: <60801A5F-CB1E-4341-9A53-A7B797E33A56@cox.net> I?ve received my packet, but for some reason, I?m not on that online list. Maybe there are others??? John From knottsj at galstar.com Wed Mar 12 10:23:08 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:23:08 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive Message-ID: <53206DCC.8080608@galstar.com> Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. Any thoughts from the collective?? jerry From boyd411 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 10:57:13 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:57:13 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive In-Reply-To: <53206DCC.8080608@galstar.com> References: <53206DCC.8080608@galstar.com> Message-ID: I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's is supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford Power stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the injectors. What do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? > > Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to > me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane > with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly > expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. > > Any thoughts from the collective?? > > jerry > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's is supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford Power stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the injectors. What do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. Any thoughts from the collective?? jerry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From reillyms at live.com Wed Mar 12 11:35:19 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:35:19 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly -------------- next part -------------- Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly From michael at michaelshortt.com Wed Mar 12 11:44:41 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:44:41 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, As long as you use a proper coolant mix with distilled water from day one ( since you have that opportunity ), why do you think you need one? Most all of the crud in a cooling system is either rust from an unprotected engine that has sat around or more often, comprised of water treatment additives like lime, etc. from tap water. I guess it couldn't hurt unless it became clogged, but if your block/system is in that bad shape, maybe clogging this filter should be the least of your worries. I've had outstanding results with 1/3 100% PEAK antifreeze, 2/3 distilled water and a bottle of water wetter. If you do decide to install one, take lots of photos. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Mike, As long as you use a proper coolant mix with distilled water from day one ( since you have that opportunity ), why do you think you need one? Most all of the crud in a cooling system is either rust from an unprotected engine that has sat around or more often, comprised of water treatment additives like lime, etc. from tap water. I guess it couldn't hurt unless it became clogged, but if your block/system is in that bad shape, maybe clogging this filter should be the least of your worries. I've had outstanding results with 1/3 100% PEAK antifreeze, 2/3 distilled water and a bottle of water wetter. If you do decide to install one, take lots of photos. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Mike Reilly <[1]reillyms at live.com> wrote: Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4]www.michaelshortt.com [5]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 4. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From steve at snclocks.com Wed Mar 12 12:01:24 2014 From: steve at snclocks.com (Stephen Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:01:24 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E142A9CF6B049699EB322476AB4D6DD@XPS> Reminds me of some start up filters we had on big compressors in a refinery I worked at in Capetown. They were meant to be in place when first starting up - to catch hard hats, pipe wrenches and the like. 1/4 inch mesh. But, of course, the operators were loath to remove them once on line - because they were sure the filters would protect the compressors. Forward 10 years and I, a bright young engineer, am assigned to figure out a way to keep the Prussian blue (Ferric ferrocyanide) from precipitating on the filters and shutting down the unit. In fact there was talk of putting on a parallel set of start up filters (no longer called start up filters - now just filters) so one set could be taken off line while the others were cleaned. We are talking 12 inch pipes here. So, got with the manufacturer. They suggested that unless we were concerned about hard hats, pipe wrenches and the like, we needed to remove them, per their original instructions. If one is worried about trash in their cooling system, put in a pair of filters. And then, perhaps 2 days later, after a couple of good romps, take them out. Or, if one is concerned about corrosion focus on why one is concerned about corrosion. But filters in a closed, clean system? Go figure. Such is my advice on a gloriously sunny morning in the PNW. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:45 AM To: Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Mike, As long as you use a proper coolant mix with distilled water from day one ( since you have that opportunity ), why do you think you need one? Most all of the crud in a cooling system is either rust from an unprotected engine that has sat around or more often, comprised of water treatment additives like lime, etc. from tap water. I guess it couldn't hurt unless it became clogged, but if your block/system is in that bad shape, maybe clogging this filter should be the least of your worries. I've had outstanding results with 1/3 100% PEAK antifreeze, 2/3 distilled water and a bottle of water wetter. If you do decide to install one, take lots of photos. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you From lashdeep at yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 12:12:50 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... In-Reply-To: <531FC906.3080309@asajay.com> References: <1394485925.79679.YahooMailBasic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <095B60CF-66DA-42D6-87BF-041D12381309@gmail.com> <531FC906.3080309@asajay.com> Message-ID: <1394640770.23492.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >From what is available online, there isn't much difference in tire availability between 15" and 17" in 2014. 18" is where the tire options are. Then, you have the aesthetics problem of an 18" wheel on a car styled with proportions for 15" wheels. I like Robert's Michelin TB idea for 15" tires. LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... "Thousands of other sizes" says to me they should offer more than just 15" diameter and less.? How about some 17" and 18"? Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ******************************? ? http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/11/2014 5:20 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Richard, > > Yes, they are steel. > > Weights vary depending on width and size. The weights are all listed on their website. > They also told me they have literally thousands of other sizes/part numbers to fit any application. Just call. > > I confirmed back spacings tonight and I?m going to order the Inertia series tomorrow. > The Bassett guy said that model was their strongest, plus it ?matches? my Gottis. > :-) > > As I said before, you have to use their lug nuts. 45 degrees vs standard 60 degrees. > You also have to find a place to balance lug centric wheels or buy the adapter at $400! > > He said 3-4 days for the powder coated versions. > > FWIW, > Kirby > > On Mar 10, 2014, at 16:12, richard boschert wrote: > >> Are the Bassets steel? >> >> If so, how much do they weigh? >> >> My 15x14 and 15x10 steel Basset wheels are the Inertia series with Hoosier radial slicks(not DOT street,but real slicks which are lighter) averaged between 11 and 12 pounds LIGHTER than my 18x13 and 18x10 aluminum Kinesis wheels with Toyo R888 tires. >> >> I ordered 15x13 and 15x11 Basset D wheels for street use recently and they should be here soon.PS,it took 6 weeks to get them made,but i had them chromed so it takes longer. >> >> PSS,i got the Michelin TB15 tires from http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ >> >> I am in California,and they took just over a week to get to me from England,and they were $200 a tire cheaper than Coker tire here in the USA.Bonus of free shipping as well! >> >> >> Richard > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6680 - Release Date: 03/11/14 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- From what is available online, there isn't much difference in tire availability between 15" and 17" in 2014. 18" is where the tire options are. Then, you have the aesthetics problem of an 18" wheel on a car styled with proportions for 15" wheels. I like Robert's Michelin TB idea for 15" tires. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] On the scrounge... "Thousands of other sizes" says to me they should offer more than just 15" diameter and less. How about some 17" and 18"? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/11/2014 5:20 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Richard, > > Yes, they are steel. > > Weights vary depending on width and size. The weights are all listed on their website. > They also told me they have literally thousands of other sizes/part numbers to fit any application. Just call. > > I confirmed back spacings tonight and Iam going to order the Inertia series tomorrow. > The Bassett guy said that model was their strongest, plus it amatchesa my Gottis. > :-) > > As I said before, you have to use their lug nuts. 45 degrees vs standard 60 degrees. > You also have to find a place to balance lug centric wheels or buy the adapter at $400! > > He said 3-4 days for the powder coated versions. > > FWIW, > Kirby > > On Mar 10, 2014, at 16:12, richard boschert <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Are the Bassets steel? >> >> If so, how much do they weigh? >> >> My 15x14 and 15x10 steel Basset wheels are the Inertia series with Hoosier radial slicks(not DOT street,but real slicks which are lighter) averaged between 11 and 12 pounds LIGHTER than my 18x13 and 18x10 aluminum Kinesis wheels with Toyo R888 tires. >> >> I ordered 15x13 and 15x11 Basset D wheels for street use recently and they should be here soon.PS,it took 6 weeks to get them made,but i had them chromed so it takes longer. >> >> PSS,i got the Michelin TB15 tires from [7]http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ >> >> I am in California,and they took just over a week to get to me from England,and they were $200 a tire cheaper than Coker tire here in the USA.Bonus of free shipping as well! >> >> >> Richard > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6680 - Release Date: 03/11/14 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 5. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com 7. http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 12:15:06 2014 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <1394593918.18374.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1394593918.18374.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1394640906.45730.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Buy Goodyear, I need my retirement check to keep coming. ? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) ________________________________ From: Curt Hall To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" ; "detomaso-bounces at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? ? Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, many ? years. ? From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ? To: Curt Hall ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore ? ? Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? ? Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on ? Contientals I think. ? Michael ? On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote: ? American Tires? What brand might that be? ? From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> ? To: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com> ? Cc: [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6]detomaso at poca.com ? Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? ? ? American Body Design ? ? Italian Body Construction ? ? Italian Suspension Design ? ? American Engine ? ? German Transaxle ? ? British/Italian Electrics ? ? Italian Wheels ? ? American Tires ? ? Brakes ? ? ? Italian Taillights ? ? Michael ? ? On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][7]bill at incendium.com> ? wrote: ? ? ? 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Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Curt Hall To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" ; "detomaso-bounces at poca.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, many years. From: "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: Curt Hall <[3]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore <[6]bill at incendium.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on Contientals I think. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1][7]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote: American Tires? What brand might that be? From: "[2][8]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3][9]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: Bill Moore <[4][10]bill at incendium.com> Cc: [5][11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6][12]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][7][13]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2][8][14]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9][15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4][10][16]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][11][17]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][12][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][13][19]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][14][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[15][21]bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:[16][22]audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:[17][23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:[18][24]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[19][25]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. [20][26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:[21][27]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. 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Primarily on my turbo Pantera and on the RX-7 with the LS1. Also my 95 Mustang has a 393 with an 11 lb supercharger. Would like to run more timing. It was tuned for 95 octane and now will have to run on 91 and Torquo additive. jerry On 3/12/2014 9:57 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: > I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's > is supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford > Power stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the > injectors. What do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts > wrote: > > Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? > > Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow > next to me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression > running on 91 octane with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. > It seems to be fairly expensive for a bottle but you use very > little per tank. > > Any thoughts from the collective?? > > jerry > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- At this point I would take about any gain in anything. Primarily on my turbo Pantera and on the RX-7 with the LS1. Also my 95 Mustang has a 393 with an 11 lb supercharger. Would like to run more timing. It was tuned for 95 octane and now will have to run on 91 and Torquo additive. jerry On 3/12/2014 9:57 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's is supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford Power stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the injectors. What do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. Any thoughts from the collective?? jerry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Wed Mar 12 13:49:05 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:49:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> Dear Mike, I recommend them and I think they would do well with your situation. I wrote an article for the POCA Newsletter about this a few years ago. I will try to find it in my files and send it to you. Good news: inexpensive. Unobtrusive installation. Easy to place between the normal swirl tank and front upper metal cooling tube. Easy to access. No overheating problems with it in place. It has caught and filtered out schmutz and debris from my freshly rebuilt engines. Bad news: it comes in only one color: black. The closest metric size to our cooling tube-hose diameters is a little small and installation requires some planning and minor effort for proper fitment. I have one on both Panteras. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From fresnofinches at aol.com Wed Mar 12 14:18:16 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <8D10C3691D02256-28E4-3DD7@webmail-m239.sysops.aol.com> Mike, I installed a Tefba 5-6 years ago, filtering the coolant on a rebuilt engine and Quella radiator with about 30K miles on them at time of install. While the screen has trapped some debris, it has been minimal and probably of little significance. But, others (Asa Jay?) have trapped notable debris with their Tefba. It goes in the top engine bay coolant line that comes off the thermostat. I've attached a - blurry - photograph that hopefully the list software will pass along to the list recipients. Our little rust-prone Italian hot rods use 1 3/8 inch coolant hose. Unless their offerings have changed, Tefba does not have a unit for our size hose. So common approach around that issue is to buy the 1 1/2 inch version and then encourage our rubber hoses to expand enough to fit. Boiling water, sunlight heat soak, lubricant... but it can be done. I went another route and used silicone hose reducers. Look closely at the photo and you will see the silicone-specific 'T' bolt hose clamps that always should be used with any silicone hose. My eBay and Google searches led me to one vendor that has an astonishing variety of silicone hose offerings: www.autosiliconehoses.com They are in the UK, but shipping is very quick. I just could not find the reducers from a USA source. That may have changed. (When I relocated my two coolant tanks to install my Spectre dual-intake plenum and K&N filters, I found 45 degree silicone elbows made the piping much easier, too.) The 'T' bolts can be found much more readily here in the USA. I used a 38mm to 35mm reducer. Here's a link - http://tinyurl.com/pjw8ppm Hope this helps some. Larry -------------- next part -------------- Mike, I installed a Tefba 5-6 years ago, filtering the coolant on a rebuilt engine and Quella radiator with about 30K miles on them at time of install. While the screen has trapped some debris, it has been minimal and probably of little significance. But, others (Asa Jay?) have trapped notable debris with their Tefba. It goes in the top engine bay coolant line that comes off the thermostat. I've attached a - blurry - photograph that hopefully the list software will pass along to the list recipients. Our little rust-prone Italian hot rods use 1 3/8 inch coolant hose. Unless their offerings have changed, Tefba does not have a unit for our size hose. So common approach around that issue is to buy the 1 1/2 inch version and then encourage our rubber hoses to expand enough to fit. Boiling water, sunlight heat soak, lubricant... but it can be done. I went another route and used silicone hose reducers. Look closely at the photo and you will see the silicone-specific 'T' bolt hose clamps that always should be used with any silicone hose. My eBay and Google searches led me to one vendor that has an astonishing variety of silicone hose offerings: www.autosiliconehoses.com They are in the UK, but shipping is very quick. I just could not find the reducers from a USA source. That may have changed. (When I relocated my two coolant tanks to install my Spectre dual-intake plenum and K&N filters, I found 45 degree silicone elbows made the piping much easier, too.) The 'T' bolts can be found much more readily here in the USA. I used a 38mm to 35mm reducer. Here's a link - http://tinyurl.com/pjw8ppm Hope this helps some. Larry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC02526.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 148204 bytes Desc: not available URL: From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 12 14:33:04 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <10c911.76d537a.4052025f@aol.com> Mike, FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: http://www.ganofilters.com/ I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much debris it managed to catch. Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail to pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling system. However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so it's better to have it happen here, no? The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance perspective. I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that it has worked well--and constantly. That is, I believe it is a periodic maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped debris there. Charlie--true? Mike -------------- next part -------------- Mike, FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: http://www.ganofilters.com/ I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much debris it managed to catch. Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail to pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling system. However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so it's better to have it happen here, no? The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance perspective. I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that it has worked well--and constantly. That is, I believe it is a periodic maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped debris there. Charlie--true? Mike From grayjim at cox.net Wed Mar 12 14:46:13 2014 From: grayjim at cox.net (grayjim at cox.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <6a7b1e.27f19.144b79dc39a.Webtop.0@cox.net> I installed the Tefba filter several years ago and, as Mike Drew says, I'm always amazed at how much junk is in there when I clean it out. Don't know where it comes from. Jim Gray On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:33 PM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > Mike, > > FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: > > http://www.ganofilters.com/ > > I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much > debris it managed to catch. Even with a properly filled cooling > system, cast iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. > > The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail > to pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the > cooling system. However, the radiator would otherwise be serving > that function, so it's better to have it happen here, no? > > The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance > perspective. > > I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that > it has worked well--and constantly. That is, I believe it is a > periodic maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has > found trapped debris there. > > Charlie--true? > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tbaranek at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 16:27:42 2014 From: tbaranek at earthlink.net (Tom Baranek) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 16:27:42 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] VIR Ultimate Track Car Message-ID: Hey Sean, Have we discussed before...I'm 45 miles west south west of VIR in Madison, NC...where are you? Tom Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:16:16 -0400 From: Sean Korb To: "detomaso at poca.com" Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ultimate Track Car Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Come on, doesn't anyone want to visit me? You can see my house 20 miles away from the track (and you can sleep there too if you bring a sleeping bag). It's a seriously nice track. It will make you happy and might make you clench muscles you forgot about. http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/virginia-international-raceway-repaved-new-surface/ sean -------------- next part -------------- Hey Sean, Have we discussed before...I'm 45 miles west south west of VIR in Madison, NC...where are you? Tom Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:16:16 -0400 From: Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> To: "[2]detomaso at poca.com" <[3]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ultimate Track Car Message-ID: <[4]CABpzvs_vVa7AYLh1Fe2QnLsvCt8CO3S4ktHHtCv=bKFNTecywQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Come on, doesn't anyone want to visit me? You can see my house 20 miles away from the track (and you can sleep there too if you bring a sleeping bag). It's a seriously nice track. It will make you happy and might make you clench muscles you forgot about. [5]http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/virginia-international-raceway -repaved-new-surface/ sean References 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmp6Vfrr1.html 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmp6Vfrr1.html 3. file://localhost/tmp/tmp6Vfrr1.html 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmp6Vfrr1.html 5. file://localhost/tmp/tmp6Vfrr1.html From pcajthaml at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 16:20:00 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:20:00 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive / Lead Substitute Message-ID: I don't know about the Archoil additive, but I have been using the now banned in CA CD2 Lead Substitute religiously since I got my Pantera. I am down to may last bottle - about to run out, and I cannot buy it here in CA. What is every one else using - do we even need to worry about the lack of lead in our fuel? thanks Peter #2761 -------------- next part -------------- I don't know about the Archoil additive, but I have been using the now banned in CA CD2 Lead Substitute religiously since I got my Pantera. I am down to may last bottle - about to run out, and I cannot buy it here in CA. What is every one else using - do we even need to worry about the lack of lead in our fuel? thanks Peter #2761 From charlesmccall at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 16:37:13 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:37:13 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <030c01cf3e32$dac4ef20$904ecd60$@gmail.com> I have a tefba and am happy that I do. Installed after buying a new radiator, and the reality is that there is junk floating around, and I'd rather it end up in a filter than in my rad. I don't have to clean it very often now, but it still picks up crud every now and then. Installation was easy, and I had photos of both the installation and the creen with trapped crud on the POCA webpage. I could look for them if you are truly interested but the installation was pretty easy -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Reilly Sent: mi?rcoles, 12 de marzo de 2014 16:35 To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly From boyd411 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 19:09:24 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:09:24 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive In-Reply-To: <5320966D.3010008@galstar.com> References: <53206DCC.8080608@galstar.com> <5320966D.3010008@galstar.com> Message-ID: I tried toluene and it seemed to make a small improvement. Toluene is an active ingredient in gasoline. I was able to purchase it at Lowe's on sale for around $14 for a gallon can (normally closer to $20.) I would suggest that you google "octane boosters" and read up on the subject. They have formulas that detail how much of what additive you need to increase 91 octane up to 93 octane. Of all the so called "octane boosters" I have seen in auto parts stores I think most of them are pretty useless. There is no chemical I am aware of that can have a meaningful effect on a tank of gas (or ten gallons of gas when the additive is a pint). Have you looked into getting aviation fuel? If you live near a small airport you may be able to purchase aviation fuel which is 110 octane and is leaded. This link has formulas and ratios to obtain specific octane results. The costs are out of date.( I personally wouldn't try any that use mineral oil or transmission fluid as lubricants) http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo -how-requests-questions-tips/271419-how-boost-your-octane-using-various-formulas.html On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > > At this point I would take about any gain in anything. Primarily on my > turbo Pantera and on the RX-7 with the LS1. Also my 95 Mustang has a 393 > with an 11 lb supercharger. Would like to run more timing. It was tuned > for 95 octane and now will have to run on 91 and Torquo additive. > > jerry > > > On 3/12/2014 9:57 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's is > supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford Power > stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the injectors. What > do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > >> Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? >> >> Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to >> me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane >> with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly >> expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. >> >> Any thoughts from the collective?? >> >> jerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- I tried toluene and it seemed to make a small improvement. Toluene is an active ingredient in gasoline. I was able to purchase it at Lowe's on sale for around $14 for a gallon can (normally closer to $20.) I would suggest that you google "octane boosters" and read up on the subject. They have formulas that detail how much of what additive you need to increase 91 octane up to 93 octane. Of all the so called "octane boosters" I have seen in auto parts stores I think most of them are pretty useless. There is no chemical I am aware of that can have a meaningful effect on a tank of gas (or ten gallons of gas when the additive is a pint). Have you looked into getting aviation fuel? If you live near a small airport you may be able to purchase aviation fuel which is 110 octane and is leaded. This link has formulas and ratios to obtain specific octane results. The costs are out of date.( I personally wouldn't try any that use mineral oil or transmission fluid as lubricants) [1]http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-how-requests-questions-tips/271419- how-boost-your-octane-using-various-formulas.html On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Jerry Knotts <[2]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: At this point I would take about any gain in anything. Primarily on my turbo Pantera and on the RX-7 with the LS1. Also my 95 Mustang has a 393 with an 11 lb supercharger. Would like to run more timing. It was tuned for 95 octane and now will have to run on 91 and Torquo additive. jerry On 3/12/2014 9:57 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's is supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford Power stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the injectors. What do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts <[3]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. Any thoughts from the collective?? jerry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://forums/ 2. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 3. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From scott at saccrestorations.net Wed Mar 12 19:28:58 2014 From: scott at saccrestorations.net (Scott Bell) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 16:28:58 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive In-Reply-To: References: <53206DCC.8080608@galstar.com> <5320966D.3010008@galstar.com> Message-ID: <013c01cf3e4a$d85ded50$8919c7f0$@saccrestorations.net> I regularly ran 2 gallons of Toluene to a 20 gallon tank of 91 octane gas when running a twin turbo Northstar Motor in an off-road car. It made a HUGE difference!!! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Casey Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:09 PM To: Jerry Knotts Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive I tried toluene and it seemed to make a small improvement. Toluene is an active ingredient in gasoline. I was able to purchase it at Lowe's on sale for around $14 for a gallon can (normally closer to $20.) I would suggest that you google "octane boosters" and read up on the subject. They have formulas that detail how much of what additive you need to increase 91 octane up to 93 octane. Of all the so called "octane boosters" I have seen in auto parts stores I think most of them are pretty useless. There is no chemical I am aware of that can have a meaningful effect on a tank of gas (or ten gallons of gas when the additive is a pint). Have you looked into getting aviation fuel? If you live near a small airport you may be able to purchase aviation fuel which is 110 octane and is leaded. This link has formulas and ratios to obtain specific octane results. The costs are out of date.( I personally wouldn't try any that use mineral oil or transmission fluid as lubricants) http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo -how-requests-questions-tips/271419-how-boost-your-octane-using-various-formulas.html On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > > At this point I would take about any gain in anything. Primarily on my > turbo Pantera and on the RX-7 with the LS1. Also my 95 Mustang has a 393 > with an 11 lb supercharger. Would like to run more timing. It was tuned > for 95 octane and now will have to run on 91 and Torquo additive. > > jerry > > > On 3/12/2014 9:57 AM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > I don't have personal experience with it but from what I've read it's is > supposed to be a "Nano" lubricant and is apparently touted by Ford Power > stroke diesel engine owners. It supposedly help with the injectors. What > do you hope to gain by using this? Is it for your Pantera? > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > >> Anyone familiar with ARCHOIL gas additive? >> >> Went to a show and shine last night and was talking to a fellow next to >> me. Had a 500+ cu in Hemi with 12.5 : 1 compression running on 91 octane >> with ARCHOIL as an additive. He swore by it. It seems to be fairly >> expensive for a bottle but you use very little per tank. >> >> Any thoughts from the collective?? >> >> jerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > > > From knottsj at galstar.com Wed Mar 12 20:42:25 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:42:25 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Archoil gas additive In-Reply-To: References: <53206DCC.8080608@galstar.com> <5320966D.3010008@galstar.com> Message-ID: <5320FEF1.6020303@galstar.com> I still have a formula or 2 from the 60's for road race cars. It would curl the EPA's toes. I am sure some of the ingredients were outlawed years ago. I have run 1/2 av gas and 1/2 91 unleaded and it works ok in the twin turbo. The twin turbo is hard to tell because it has an incorrect tune that I haven't fixed yet. The RX-7 runs decidedly better on the mix. I have used Torco Accelerator in both and it does seem to help. On 3/12/2014 6:09 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-how-requests-questions-tips/271419-how-boost-your-octane-using-various-formulas.html > From spkorb at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 22:54:14 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 22:54:14 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] VIR Ultimate Track Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm in Raleigh but I have a home in Roxboro too (my girl's home, really) so I get to the area pretty often and it helps with my jaunts to VIR :) On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Tom Baranek wrote: > Hey Sean, > Have we discussed before...I'm 45 miles west south west of VIR in Madison, > NC...where are you? > Tom > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:16:16 -0400 > From: Sean Korb > To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ultimate Track Car > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Come on, doesn't anyone want to visit me? You can see my house 20 > miles away from the track (and you can sleep there too if you bring a > sleeping bag). > > It's a seriously nice track. It will make you happy and might make > you clench muscles you forgot about. > > http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/virginia-international-raceway-repaved-new-surface/ > > sean -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 00:17:23 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:17:23 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 Message-ID: <00a801cf3e73$22d24340$6876c9c0$@comcast.net> This was sent out by Ferrari of Newport Beach. A great compilation of Formula 1 videos and driver quotes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss&feature=youtu.be Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 From asajay at asajay.com Thu Mar 13 00:52:53 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:52:53 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <532139A5.8060309@asajay.com> I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to disagree. As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be in there. One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can find in there. Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with hole in the side: [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 After putting in: - brand new pipes - brand new hoses - brand new radiator, - tanked and cleaned swirl tank - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank - new coolant - new water pump - new heater hose bib I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and this is what the TEFBA filter caught: [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again and found more particles: [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. I'd strongly recommend one. Asa Jay Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 References 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 7. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 9. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. http://www.avg.com/ From demongusta at me.com Thu Mar 13 00:56:11 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:56:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 In-Reply-To: <00a801cf3e73$22d24340$6876c9c0$@comcast.net> References: <00a801cf3e73$22d24340$6876c9c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <704D30B9-F266-4E32-8FD5-F0FFA583E3E5@me.com> Stirling Moss was such a good driver, yet his teammate was Juan Fangio; Hard one. That was an emotional clip, especially when you recognize and name all the drivers. Proud to say I have Senna's signature in my safe. Jack 4348 On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: > This was sent out by Ferrari of Newport Beach. A great compilation of > Formula 1 videos and driver quotes. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss&feature=youtu.be > > > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From demongusta at me.com Thu Mar 13 01:05:37 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 22:05:37 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <532139A5.8060309@asajay.com> References: <532139A5.8060309@asajay.com> Message-ID: <77943E95-AD41-4EEF-A075-1A0CEC130CD8@me.com> When I click on the hyperlinks (in blue) I get theTPR page. It's me somehow. On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said > concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to > disagree. > As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great > and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be > in there. > One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a > radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can > find in there. > Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them > with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift > certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had > probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: > [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can > generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with > hole in the side: > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result > in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: > [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: > [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > After putting in: > - brand new pipes > - brand new hoses > - brand new radiator, > - tanked and cleaned swirl tank > - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank > - new coolant > - new water pump > - new heater hose bib > I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and > this is what the TEFBA filter caught: > [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again > and found more particles: > [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm > not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably > as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good > when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. > I'd strongly recommend one. > Asa Jay > Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 > > References > > 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > 7. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 9. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. http://www.avg.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jgkrenton at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 02:12:44 2014 From: jgkrenton at comcast.net (jgkrenton at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 06:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <10c911.76d537a.4052025f@aol.com> Message-ID: <1863284815.506606.1394691164249.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> All: I've had the Gano filter in my Pantera for years (decades??) now.? I've caught very little debris, but because?you can see into it with the motor running, ?it sure is handy to make sure the system is properly purged and you aren't passing bubbles through the cooling system. As usual,?your experience may vary.. Jeff/2467. ----- Original Message ----- From: MikeLDrew at aol.com To: cengles at cox.net, reillyms at live.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:33:04 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Mike, FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: http://www.ganofilters.com/ I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much debris it managed to catch. ? Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail to pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling system. ??However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so it's better to have it happen here, no? The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance perspective. ? I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that it has worked well--and constantly. ? That is, I believe it is a periodic maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped debris there. Charlie--true? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- All: I've had the Gano filter in my Pantera for years (decades??) now. I've caught very little debris, but because you can see into it with the motor running, it sure is handy to make sure the system is properly purged and you aren't passing bubbles through the cooling system. As usual, your experience may vary.. Jeff/2467. __________________________________________________________________ From: MikeLDrew at aol.com To: cengles at cox.net, reillyms at live.com Cc: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:33:04 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Mike, FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: http://www.ganofilters.com/ I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much debris it managed to catch. Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail to pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling system. However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so it's better to have it happen here, no? The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance perspective. I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that it has worked well--and constantly. That is, I believe it is a periodic maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped debris there. Charlie--true? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From demongusta at me.com Thu Mar 13 02:33:07 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 23:33:07 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <1394689370.59761.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <532139A5.8060309@asajay.com> <77943E95-AD41-4EEF-A075-1A0CEC130CD8@me.com> <1394689370.59761.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9AC1FA0A-D2BA-4126-BE67-2C05047AD744@me.com> Excellent. You should make tutorials. Great! On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:42 PM, B Hower wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > Try this: http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > > > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) > > > From: Jack Donahue > To: Asa Jay Laughton > Cc: detomaso at poca.com > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:05 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > When I click on the hyperlinks (in blue) I get theTPR page. It's me somehow. > > > On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > > > I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said > > concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to > > disagree. > > As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great > > and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be > > in there. > > One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a > > radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can > > find in there. > > Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them > > with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift > > certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had > > probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: > > [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > > A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can > > generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with > > hole in the side: > > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > > Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result > > in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: > > [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > > This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: > > [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > > After putting in: > > - brand new pipes > > - brand new hoses > > - brand new radiator, > > - tanked and cleaned swirl tank > > - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank > > - new coolant > > - new water pump > > - new heater hose bib > > I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and > > this is what the TEFBA filter caught: > > [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > > After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again > > and found more particles: > > [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > > Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm > > not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably > > as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good > > when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. > > I'd strongly recommend one. > > Asa Jay > > Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > & Shelley Marie > > Spokane, WA > > ****************************** > > [7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > [8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > [9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > > On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 > > > > References > > > > 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > > 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > > 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > > 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > > 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > > 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > > 7. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > > 8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > > 9. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 12. http://www.avg.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Excellent. You should make tutorials. Great! On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:42 PM, B Hower wrote: Hi Jack, Try this: [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta at me.com> To: Asa Jay Laughton <[4]asajay at asajay.com> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter When I click on the hyperlinks (in blue) I get theTPR page. It's me somehow. On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said > concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to > disagree. > As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great > and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be > in there. > One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a > radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can > find in there. > Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them > with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift > certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had > probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: > [1][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can > generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with > hole in the side: > [2][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result > in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: > [3][8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: > [4][9]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > After putting in: > - brand new pipes > - brand new hoses > - brand new radiator, > - tanked and cleaned swirl tank > - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank > - new coolant > - new water pump > - new heater hose bib > I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and > this is what the TEFBA filter caught: > [5][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&v iew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again > and found more particles: > [6][11]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&v iew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm > not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably > as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good > when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. > I'd strongly recommend one. > Asa Jay > Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [7][12]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [8][13]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [9][14]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [10][15]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 > > References > > 1. [17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > 2. [18]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > 3. [19]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > 4. [20]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > 5. 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[28]http://www.avg.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [29]DeTomaso at poca.com > [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [31]DeTomaso at poca.com [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References Visible links 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 3. mailto:demongusta at me.com 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 9. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 10. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 11. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 12. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 13. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 14. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 18. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 19. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 20. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 21. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 22. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 23. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 24. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 25. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 28. http://www.avg.com/ 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com Hidden links: 33. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 From demongusta at me.com Thu Mar 13 02:59:52 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (John Donahue) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 23:59:52 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <1863284815.506606.1394691164249.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1863284815.506606.1394691164249.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <192F36F9-D796-46E1-8F24-095A9F337E35@me.com> Anybody have an email address? I would like to buy one. > On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:12 PM, jgkrenton at comcast.net wrote: > > All: > > > I've had the Gano filter in my Pantera for years (decades??) now. I've > caught very little debris, but because you can see into it with the > motor running, it sure is handy to make sure the system is properly > purged and you aren't passing bubbles through the cooling system. > > > As usual, your experience may vary.. > > > Jeff/2467. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > To: cengles at cox.net, reillyms at live.com > Cc: detomaso at poca.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:33:04 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Mike, > FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: > http://www.ganofilters.com/ > I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much > debris > it managed to catch. Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast > iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. > The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail > to > pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling > system. > However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so > it's > better to have it happen here, no? > The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance > perspective. > I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that > it > has worked well--and constantly. That is, I believe it is a periodic > maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped > debris > there. > Charlie--true? > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Thu Mar 13 09:28:10 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 06:28:10 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <77943E95-AD41-4EEF-A075-1A0CEC130CD8@me.com> References: <532139A5.8060309@asajay.com> <77943E95-AD41-4EEF-A075-1A0CEC130CD8@me.com> Message-ID: <5321B26A.2060408@asajay.com> It's the way the Mailman software converts the html email to text. If you scroll to the bottom you'll see it converted and saved all the links in whole, referenced by the numbers in the text above. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/12/2014 10:05 PM, Jack Donahue wrote: > When I click on the hyperlinks (in blue) I get theTPR page. It's me somehow. > > > On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > >> I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said >> concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to >> disagree. >> As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great >> and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be >> in there. >> One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a >> radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can >> find in there. >> Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them >> with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift >> certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had >> probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: >> [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= >> gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 >> A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can >> generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with >> hole in the side: >> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= >> gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 >> Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result >> in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: >> [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= >> gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 >> This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: >> [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= >> gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 >> After putting in: >> - brand new pipes >> - brand new hoses >> - brand new radiator, >> - tanked and cleaned swirl tank >> - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank >> - new coolant >> - new water pump >> - new heater hose bib >> I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and >> this is what the TEFBA filter caught: >> [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= >> gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 >> After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again >> and found more particles: >> [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= >> gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 >> Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm >> not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably >> as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good >> when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. >> I'd strongly recommend one. >> Asa Jay >> Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >> & Shelley Marie >> Spokane, WA >> ****************************** >> [7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >> [8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> [9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> >> On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: >> >> Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to >> reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a >> Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the >> system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera >> owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in >> on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best >> location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [10]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 >> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 >> 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 >> 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 >> 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 >> 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 >> 7. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ >> 8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ >> 9. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> 12. http://www.avg.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 > > > From rob at dumoulins.net Thu Mar 13 10:18:04 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:18:04 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <77943E95-AD41-4EEF-A075-1A0CEC130CD8@me.com> References: <532139A5.8060309@asajay.com> <77943E95-AD41-4EEF-A075-1A0CEC130CD8@me.com> Message-ID: Jack, you will notice that the hyperlink stops but the actual address continues on the next line. If you highlight the entire link (both lines) and paste it into the address field of the browser it works. Thanks for sharing Asa Rob On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Jack Donahue wrote: > When I click on the hyperlinks (in blue) I get theTPR page. It's me > somehow. > > > On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > > > I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said > > concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to > > disagree. > > As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great > > and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be > > in there. > > One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a > > radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can > > find in there. > > Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them > > with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift > > certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had > > probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: > > [1] > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > > A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can > > generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with > > hole in the side: > > [2] > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > > Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result > > in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: > > [3] > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > > This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: > > [4] > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > > After putting in: > > - brand new pipes > > - brand new hoses > > - brand new radiator, > > - tanked and cleaned swirl tank > > - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank > > - new coolant > > - new water pump > > - new heater hose bib > > I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and > > this is what the TEFBA filter caught: > > [5] > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > > After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again > > and found more particles: > > [6] > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= > > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > > Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm > > not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably > > as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good > > when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. > > I'd strongly recommend one. > > Asa Jay > > Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > & Shelley Marie > > Spokane, WA > > ****************************** > > [7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > [8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > [9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > > On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 > > > > References > > > > 1. > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > > 2. > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > > 3. > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > > 4. > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > > 5. > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > > 6. > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > > 7. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > > 8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > > 9. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 12. http://www.avg.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Jack, you will notice that the hyperlink stops but the actual address continues on the next line. If you highlight the entire link (both lines) and paste it into the address field of the browser it works. Thanks for sharing Asa Rob On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta at me.com> wrote: When I click on the hyperlinks (in blue) I get theTPR page. It's me somehow. On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > I would highly recommend it. In contrast to what some have said > concerning using clean fluids and not having to worry, I beg to > disagree. > As others have pointed out, who actually -use- these, they work great > and will find things in your cooling system you never thought should be > in there. > One engine, complete with water pump, a swirl tank, an overflow tank, a > radiator, some 40' or more of plumbing... it's amazing what you can > find in there. > Here is a photo of the long tubes under the car before I replaced them > with brand new stainless from Hall (thanks to Bob Benson for the gift > certificate). Stop leak had been used at some point, the coolant had > probably boiled over at some point and nastiness like this is created: > [1][2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > A lack of circulation and a small amount of air in the system can > generate things like this rusted heater hose connection, complete with > hole in the side: > [2][3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > Failure to change coolant regularly and clean out the system can result > in tanks with holes barely held closed with schmutz: > [3][4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > This is that same tank after it was "tanked" by a radiator shop: > [4][5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > After putting in: > - brand new pipes > - brand new hoses > - brand new radiator, > - tanked and cleaned swirl tank > - replacement tanked and cleaned overflow tank > - new coolant > - new water pump > - new heater hose bib > I drove the car for one season, with perhaps 1,500 miles maximum and > this is what the TEFBA filter caught: > [5][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > After another year or so and more miles on the car I checked it again > and found more particles: > [6][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi ew= > gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > Eventually, I might get all the junk out of the cooling system but I'm > not counting on it. I'll be leaving the TEFBA filter in for probably > as long as I own the car, it's really cheap and it makes me feel good > when I can see crap in it and get it out of my car. > I'd strongly recommend one. > Asa Jay > Pantera Research Institute - Pacific Northwest Satellite Office > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [7][8]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [8][9]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [9][10]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > On 3/12/2014 8:35 AM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [10][11]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [12][13]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6687 - Release Date: 03/12/14 > > References > > 1. [14]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 > 2. [15]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 > 3. [16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 > 4. [17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 > 5. [18]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 > 6. [19]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view =gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 > 7. [20]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 8. [21]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 9. [22]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > 10. mailto:[23]DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. [25]http://www.avg.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [26]DeTomaso at poca.com > [27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [28]DeTomaso at poca.com [29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:demongusta at me.com 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= 8. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 9. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 10. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. http://www.avg.com/ 14. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2474 15. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2525 16. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2672 17. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4393 18. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4402 19. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=4874 20. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 21. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 22. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 25. http://www.avg.com/ 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jgkrenton at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 11:35:50 2014 From: jgkrenton at comcast.net (jgkrenton at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <192F36F9-D796-46E1-8F24-095A9F337E35@me.com> Message-ID: <976357603.510563.1394724950391.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ? http://www.ganofilters.com/ >From Mike Drew's original message. ;-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Donahue" To: jgkrenton at comcast.net Cc: DeTomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:59:52 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Anybody have an email address? I would like to buy one. > On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:12 PM, jgkrenton at comcast.net wrote: > > ? All: > > > ? I've had the Gano filter in my Pantera for years (decades??) now. ?I've > ? caught very little debris, but because you can see into it with the > ? motor running, it sure is handy to make sure the system is properly > ? purged and you aren't passing bubbles through the cooling system. > > > ? As usual, your experience may vary.. > > > ? Jeff/2467. > ? ? __________________________________________________________________ > > ? From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > ? To: cengles at cox.net, reillyms at live.com > ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com > ? Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:33:04 AM > ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > ? Mike, > ? FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: > ? http://www.ganofilters.com/ > ? I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much > ? debris > ? it managed to catch. ? Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast > ? iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. > ? The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail > ? to > ? pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling > ? system. > ? ? However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so > ? it's > ? better to have it happen here, no? > ? The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance > ? perspective. > ? I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that > ? it > ? has worked well--and constantly. ? That is, I believe it is a periodic > ? maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped > ? debris > ? there. > ? Charlie--true? > ? Mike > ? _______________________________________________ > ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > ? DeTomaso mailing list > ? DeTomaso at poca.com > ? http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- [1]http://www.ganofilters.com/ From Mike Drew's original message. ;-) Jeff __________________________________________________________________ From: "John Donahue" To: jgkrenton at comcast.net Cc: DeTomaso at poca.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:59:52 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Anybody have an email address? I would like to buy one. > On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:12 PM, jgkrenton at comcast.net wrote: > > All: > > > I've had the Gano filter in my Pantera for years (decades??) now. I've > caught very little debris, but because you can see into it with the > motor running, it sure is handy to make sure the system is properly > purged and you aren't passing bubbles through the cooling system. > > > As usual, your experience may vary.. > > > Jeff/2467. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > To: cengles at cox.net, reillyms at live.com > Cc: detomaso at poca.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:33:04 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Mike, > FWIW another possible alternative is the Gano filter: > http://www.ganofilters.com/ > I had one in my GT350 for a few years and it was astounding how much > debris > it managed to catch. Even with a properly filled cooling system, cast > iron blocks are always sloughing off casting scale etc. > The only potential drawback to a filter like this is that if you fail > to > pay attention to it, it could plug up and restrict flow in the cooling > system. > However, the radiator would otherwise be serving that function, so > it's > better to have it happen here, no? > The Tefba filter seems more user-friendly from a maintenance > perspective. > I know Charlie McCall has one fitted on his car and has reported that > it > has worked well--and constantly. That is, I believe it is a periodic > maintenance item, and each time he has checked it, he has found trapped > debris > there. > Charlie--true? > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.ganofilters.com/ From reillyms at live.com Thu Mar 13 15:42:59 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:42:59 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted are scary! Thanks again, Mike From: reillyms at live.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Tefba Coolant Filter Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:35:19 -0700 Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly -------------- next part -------------- All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted are scary! Thanks again, Mike __________________________________________________________________ From: reillyms at live.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Tefba Coolant Filter Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:35:19 -0700 Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly From fresnofinches at aol.com Thu Mar 13 16:09:34 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <8D10D0F49456902-28E4-E09B@webmail-m239.sysops.aol.com> <<>> Yes, I remember finding such listings when searching to buy mine. While I don't remember details, I'm sure I would have opted for the 1-3/8" version if it was really out there. BUT, I'm pretty sure the seller is just increasing his potential sales with that language, and what you receive when ordering a 1-3/8" size will be either the 1-1/4" or the 1-1/2" version. Sort of like all the vendor-sourced parts that we buy with the "direct replacement" language that quickly is proven to be partly, mostly or entirely false. (Some would call this untruthful, deceptive advertising.) The 1-1/4" size sent as a 1-3/8' size might explain a previous post that said the one they received was undersized. You might try looking for a part number specific for 1-3/8". I don't think you'll find one. It would be great if they now offer the 1-3/8' size. Please get back to us with details if what you receive is really such an animal. YMMV Larry -------------- next part -------------- <<>> Yes, I remember finding such listings when searching to buy mine. While I don't remember details, I'm sure I would have opted for the 1-3/8" version if it was really out there. BUT, I'm pretty sure the seller is just increasing his potential sales with that language, and what you receive when ordering a 1-3/8" size will be either the 1-1/4" or th e 1-1/2" version. Sort of like all the vendor-sourced parts that we buy with the "direct replaceme nt" language that quickly is proven to be partly, mostly or entirely false. (Some would call this untruthful, deceptive advertising.) The 1-1/4" size sent as a 1-3/8' size might explain a previous post that said th e one they received was undersized. You might try looking for a part number specific for 1-3/8". I don't think you'l l find one. It would be great if they now offer the 1-3/8' size. Please get back to us with details if what you receive is really such an animal. YMMV Larry From boyd411 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 17:10:31 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:10:31 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: <1394640906.45730.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net> <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com> <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1394593918.18374.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1394640906.45730.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The lambo was designed and built by a tractor company so excuse me if I don't get all choked up by their "automotive blue blood heritage" not to mention they have never had a race team ( to my knowledge) the Muria was and is a ho car , the Espada, I don't even know where that fits in , Contach(disco inferno) Islero, Jarama, Urraco? Anybody want to trade their pantera for one? Panteras come from Modena (last time I checked that was Italy) Compare Panteras to some of the more common or most common Ferraris ( the Magnum PI 308"s) piece of shit! Pantera's will clean their clock coming and going . Mondial? A joke! Even the once mighty Testarosa ( a nice GT but no contest to a track prepared Pantera or even a current modified Pantera with a hot Cleveland! The Detomaso family was Itailian. The emigratted to Argentina but they were still Italians. When you compare performance LOOKS and COST of a Pantera to any one of their "blue blooded " cousins The Panteras hold their own wit no trouble. No apologies necessary. They used to say the time to worry is when people stop talking about you. Their still talking about Panteras , more now then they have in many years. When was the last time you read discussion about a 308 or 328 or Espada, Islero, Jarama or Urracothat discussed them in terms of still being serious contenders as far as performance goes? Hey I would love to own a Dino or a Daytona or any 1950's to 60"s ferrari but for the millions of dollars necessary I could have a fleet of every model detomaso ever made and still have enough left over to get several other very interesting cars to round out a collection that would turn heads at any Concorso alla pasta fusilli. Boyd On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:15 PM, B Hower wrote: > Buy Goodyear, I need my retirement check to keep coming. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Curt Hall > To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" ; > "detomaso-bounces at poca.com" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, > many > years. > From: "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> > To: Curt Hall <[3]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> > Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore > <[6]bill at incendium.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on > Contientals I think. > Michael > On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1][7]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > American Tires? What brand might that be? > From: "[2][8]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3][9]michael at michaelshortt.com> > To: Bill Moore <[4][10]bill at incendium.com> > Cc: [5][11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6][12]detomaso at poca.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > American Body Design > Italian Body Construction > Italian Suspension Design > American Engine > German Transaxle > British/Italian Electrics > Italian Wheels > American Tires > Brakes ? > Italian Taillights > Michael > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" > <[1][7][13]bill at incendium.com> > wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2][8][14]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9][15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: > Tue, 11 > Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4][10][16]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5][11][17]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6][12][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7][13][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8][14][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. mailto:[15][21]bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:[16][22]audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:[17][23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:[18][24]detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:[19][25]DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. 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Anybody want to trade their pantera for one? Panteras come from Modena (last time I checked that was Italy) Compare Panteras to some of the more common or most common Ferraris ( the Magnum PI 308"s) piece of shit! Pantera's will clean their clock coming and going .Mondial? A joke! Even the once mighty Testarosa ( a nice GT but no contest to a track prepared Pantera or even a current modified Pantera with a hot Cleveland! The Detomaso family was Itailian. The emigratted to Argentina but they were still Italians. When you compare performance LOOKS and COST of a Pantera to any one of their "blue blooded " cousins The Panteras hold their own wit no trouble. No apologies necessary. They used to say the time to worry is when people stop talking about you. Their still talking about Panteras , more now then they have in many years. When was the last time you read discussion about a 308 or 328 or Espada, Islero, Jarama or Urraco that discussed them in terms of still being serious contenders as far as performance goes? Hey I would love to own a Dino or a Daytona or any 1950's to 60"s ferrari but for the millions of dollars necessary I could have a fleet of every model detomaso ever made and still have enough left over to get several other very interesting cars to round out a collection that would turn heads at any Concorso alla pasta fusilli. Boyd On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:15 PM, B Hower <[1]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote: Buy Goodyear, I need my retirement check to keep coming. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Curt Hall <[2]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> To: "[3]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[4]michael at michaelshortt.com> Cc: "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com>; "[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com" <[8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, many years. From: "[1][9]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[2][10]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: Curt Hall <[3][11]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> Cc: [4][12]detomaso at poca.com; [5][13]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore <[6][14]bill at incendium.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on Contientals I think. Michael On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1][7][15]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote: American Tires? What brand might that be? From: "[2][8][16]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3][9][17]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: Bill Moore <[4][10][18]bill at incendium.com> Cc: [5][11][19]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6][12][20]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? American Body Design Italian Body Construction Italian Suspension Design American Engine German Transaxle British/Italian Electrics Italian Wheels American Tires Brakes ? Italian Taillights Michael On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" <[1][7][13][21]bill at incendium.com> wrote: You forgot the German transaxle. Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: [2][8][14][22]audionut at hushmail.com Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9][15][23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:34:21 To: <[4][10][16][24]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5][11][17][25]DeTomaso at poca.com [6][12][18][26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][13][19][27]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][14][20][28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[15][21][29]bill at incendium.com 2. mailto:[16][22][30]audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:[17][23][31]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:[18][24][32]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[19][25][33]DeTomaso at poca.com 6. 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http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Mar 13 17:12:03 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FD018BC-57C8-4251-95EF-7DBC5228AC87@aol.com> Mike, I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? Thanks! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly wrote: > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > are scary! Thanks again, Mike > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: reillyms at live.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:35:19 -0700 > Hi. I just had my stock radiator rebuilt due to a leak and I plan to > reinstall it shortly. Give that it's new I thought about installing a > Tefba coolant filter to protect the radiator from debris in the > system. Seems like a good idea and I've read that some other Pantera > owners have employed these and other filters. Just wanted to check in > on any of the latest recommendations with these filters and the best > location to install them in our cooling system. Thanks! Mike Reilly > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lashdeep at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 17:26:09 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 In-Reply-To: <704D30B9-F266-4E32-8FD5-F0FFA583E3E5@me.com> References: <00a801cf3e73$22d24340$6876c9c0$@comcast.net> <704D30B9-F266-4E32-8FD5-F0FFA583E3E5@me.com> Message-ID: <1394745969.97010.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Gilles Villeneuve sideways in the Ferrari....YES YES ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Jack Donahue To: Mike Thomas Cc: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 Stirling Moss was such a good driver, yet his teammate was Juan Fangio;? Hard one. That was an emotional clip, especially when you recognize and name all the drivers. Proud to say I have Senna's signature in my safe. Jack 4348 On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: > This was sent out by Ferrari of Newport Beach.? A great compilation of > Formula 1 videos and driver quotes. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss&feature=youtu.be > > > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Gilles Villeneuve sideways in the Ferrari....YES YES central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue To: Mike Thomas Cc: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 Stirling Moss was such a good driver, yet his teammate was Juan Fangio; Hard one. That was an emotional clip, especially when you recognize and name all the drivers. Proud to say I have Senna's signature in my safe. Jack 4348 On Mar 12, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: > This was sent out by Ferrari of Newport Beach. A great compilation of > Formula 1 videos and driver quotes. > > [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss&feature=youtu.be > > > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [4]DeTomaso at poca.com > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at poca.com [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss&feature=youtu.be 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From reillyms at live.com Thu Mar 13 18:37:38 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:37:38 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <8FD018BC-57C8-4251-95EF-7DBC5228AC87@aol.com> References: , <8FD018BC-57C8-4251-95EF-7DBC5228AC87@aol.com> Message-ID: Mike and all: here is the link from Amazon where I bought the filter in 1- 3/8" size. I can verify once I receive it. (Tefba Inline Radiator Coolant Filter - Fits Upper Radiator Hose Size 1 3/8") http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 > To: reillyms at live.com > > Mike, > > I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > > are scary! Thanks again, Mike -------------- next part -------------- Mike and all: here is the link from Amazon where I bought the filter in 1- 3/8" size. I can verify once I receive it. (Tefba Inline Radiator Coolant Filter - Fits Upper Radiator Hose Size 1 3/8") [1]http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD 1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+F ilter > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 > To: reillyms at live.com > > Mike, > > I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > > are scary! Thanks again, Mike References 1. http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter From boyd411 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 20:08:11 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:08:11 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Steve McQueen in lemans Message-ID: Anyone who gets turner movie classics Steve McQueen in. lemans is on now! 8:00 pm -------------- next part -------------- Anyone who gets turner movie classics Steve McQueen in. lemans is on now! 8:00 pm From reillyms at live.com Thu Mar 13 21:11:55 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:11:55 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] =?utf-8?q?Tefba_Coolant_Filter?= Message-ID: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8? filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site ?www.Tefba.com? but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike From: Mike Reilly Sent: ?Thursday?, ?March? ?13?, ?2014 ?3?:?37? ?PM To: Mike Drew Cc: detomaso at poca.com Mike and all: here is the link from Amazon where I bought the filter in 1- 3/8" size. I can verify once I receive it. (Tefba Inline Radiator Coolant Filter - Fits Upper Radiator Hose Size 1 3/8") http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 > To: reillyms at live.com > > Mike, > > I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > > are scary! Thanks again, Mike -------------- next part -------------- Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike From: [1]Mike Reilly Sent: aThursdaya, aMarcha a13a, a2014 a3a:a37a aPM To: [2]Mike Drew Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com Mike and all: here is the link from Amazon where I bought the filter in 1- 3/8" size. I can verify once I receive it. (Tefba Inline Radiator Coolant Filter - Fits Upper Radiator Hose Size 1 3/8") [4]http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD 1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+F ilter > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 > To: reillyms at live.com > > Mike, > > I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > > are scary! Thanks again, Mike References 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com 2. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter From hougan at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 21:38:14 2014 From: hougan at verizon.net (The Hougans) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:38:14 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 In-Reply-To: <00a801cf3e73$22d24340$6876c9c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: DAMN! That was a mighty fine video!! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of Mike Thomas Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:17 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: The Racers - a great short film about F1 This was sent out by Ferrari of Newport Beach. A great compilation of Formula 1 videos and driver quotes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss&feature=youtu.be Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 22:15:58 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:15:58 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other engine parts that I'd like to sell. It?s all for a good cause? 351C - Cleveland block .030 over - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I?m told ?it?s the good one? whatever that means (D4AE something?) I can get the number if you need it - Eagle rods - TRW popup pistons - 10qt aluminum oil pan - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far as I can tell) - Solid roller cam and lifters - Roller rockers - MSD distributor Comments: This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, better, badder one was installed) It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks good. It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I don't know why. Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a good, solid block. Location: Magnolia, Texas Pictures on request $2750 Other stuff - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new $100 plus shipping - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are yours, otherwise they go to scrap - I might think of some other stuff later?. Kirby -------------- next part -------------- I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other engine parts that I'd like to sell. It's all for a good cause... 351C - Cleveland block .030 over - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I'm told `it's the good one' whatever that means (D4AE something?) I can get the number if you need it - Eagle rods - TRW popup pistons - 10qt aluminum oil pan - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far as I can tell) - Solid roller cam and lifters - Roller rockers - MSD distributor Comments: This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, better, badder one was installed) It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks good. It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I don't know why. Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a good, solid block. Location: Magnolia, Texas Pictures on request $2750 Other stuff - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new $100 plus shipping - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are yours, otherwise they go to scrap - I might think of some other stuff later.... Kirby From will.kooiman at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 23:22:26 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:22:26 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] [SCPOCA] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's some good stuff. Somebody local needs to jump on it. You guys know I have a weakness for Ford SVO heads. From: Kirby Schrader Reply-To: Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:15 PM To: detomaso mail list Cc: Space City Panteras Subject: [SCPOCA] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other engine parts that I'd like to sell. It?s all for a good cause? 351C - Cleveland block .030 over - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I?m told ?it?s the good one? whatever that means (D4AE something?) I can get the number if you need it - Eagle rods - TRW popup pistons - 10qt aluminum oil pan - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far as I can tell) - Solid roller cam and lifters - Roller rockers - MSD distributor Comments: This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, better, badder one was installed) It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks good. It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I don't know why. Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a good, solid block. Location: Magnolia, Texas Pictures on request $2750 Other stuff - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new $100 plus shipping - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are yours, otherwise they go to scrap - I might think of some other stuff later?. Kirby __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- That's some good stuff. Somebody local needs to jump on it. You guys know I have a weakness for Ford SVO heads. From: Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> Reply-To: <[2]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:15 PM To: detomaso mail list <[3]DeTomaso at poca.com> Cc: Space City Panteras <[4]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> Subject: [SCPOCA] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other engine parts that I'd like to sell. It's all for a good cause... 351C - Cleveland block .030 over - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I'm told `it's the good one' whatever that means (D4AE something?) I can get the number if you need it - Eagle rods - TRW popup pistons - 10qt aluminum oil pan - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far as I can tell) - Solid roller cam and lifters - Roller rockers - MSD distributor Comments: This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, better, badder one was installed) It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks good. It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I don't know why. Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a good, solid block. Location: Magnolia, Texas Pictures on request $2750 Other stuff - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new $100 plus shipping - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are yours, otherwise they go to scrap - I might think of some other stuff later.... Kirby __._,_.___ [5]Reply via web post [6]Reply to sender [7]Reply to group [8]Start a New Topic [9]Messages in this topic (1) [10]Visit Your Group [11]Yahoo! Groups o [12]Privacy o [13]Unsubscribe o [14]Terms of Use . [stime=1394763361] __,_._,___ References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. mailto:SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com 5. https://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCPOCA/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMDA4dDBvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BG1zZ0lkAzE2MDY1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTM5NDc2MzM2MQ--?act=reply&messageNum=16065 6. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20A%20351C%20%28and%20other%20stuff%29%20for%20sale 7. mailto:SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20A%20351C%20%28and%20other%20stuff%29%20for%20sale 8. https://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCPOCA/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlazk4Zm91BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM5NDc2MzM2MQ-- 9. https://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCPOCA/message/16065;_ylc=X3oDMTM2bHRxZ3Z2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BG1zZ0lkAzE2MDY1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM5NDc2MzM2MQR0cGNJZAMxNjA2NQ-- 10. https://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCPOCA;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbWQ1ZDZ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTM5NDc2MzM2MQ-- 11. https://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbmVlbTRkBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIyMjMyNjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY0ODI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzk0NzYzMzYx 12. https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html 13. mailto:SCPOCA-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe 14. https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 22:33:47 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:33:47 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <128FFA74-BD9C-47F9-A1ED-B9AA7738FB57@gmail.com> A slight correction? One oil pan is steel, the other is aluminum. Both used. Whichever sells first get the aluminum one and the steel one goes with the engine? or? the other way around? How?s that for confusing? But I think you know what I mean?. > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other > engine parts that I'd like to sell. > It's all for a good cause... > 351C > - Cleveland block .030 over > - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I'm told `it's the good > one' whatever that means (D4AE something?) > I can get the number if you need it > - Eagle rods > - TRW popup pistons > - 10qt aluminum oil pan > - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far > as I can tell) > - Solid roller cam and lifters > - Roller rockers > - MSD distributor > Comments: > This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, > better, badder one was installed) > It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. > Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks > good. > It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. > I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. > Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I > don't know why. > Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a > good, solid block. > Location: Magnolia, Texas > Pictures on request > $2750 > Other stuff > - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new > $100 plus shipping > - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping > - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are > yours, otherwise they go to scrap > - I might think of some other stuff later.... > Kirby > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bill at incendium.com Thu Mar 13 23:20:36 2014 From: bill at incendium.com (Bill Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:20:36 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale In-Reply-To: <128FFA74-BD9C-47F9-A1ED-B9AA7738FB57@gmail.com> References: <128FFA74-BD9C-47F9-A1ED-B9AA7738FB57@gmail.com> Message-ID: <683998161-1394767234-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1042366243-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry> What's going on, are you moving? Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -----Original Message----- From: Kirby Schrader Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:33:47 To: detomaso mail list Cc: Space City Panteras Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale A slight correction? One oil pan is steel, the other is aluminum. Both used. Whichever sells first get the aluminum one and the steel one goes with the engine? or? the other way around? How?s that for confusing? But I think you know what I mean?. > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other > engine parts that I'd like to sell. > It's all for a good cause... > 351C > - Cleveland block .030 over > - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I'm told `it's the good > one' whatever that means (D4AE something?) > I can get the number if you need it > - Eagle rods > - TRW popup pistons > - 10qt aluminum oil pan > - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far > as I can tell) > - Solid roller cam and lifters > - Roller rockers > - MSD distributor > Comments: > This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, > better, badder one was installed) > It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. > Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks > good. > It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. > I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. > Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I > don't know why. > Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a > good, solid block. > Location: Magnolia, Texas > Pictures on request > $2750 > Other stuff > - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new > $100 plus shipping > - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping > - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are > yours, otherwise they go to scrap > - I might think of some other stuff later.... > Kirby > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Thu Mar 13 22:57:53 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:57:53 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: , <8FD018BC-57C8-4251-95EF-7DBC5228AC87@aol.com> Message-ID: <53227031.9020008@asajay.com> Two possibilities: - The seller is actually selling you a 1-1/4 or 1-1/2 knowing that you'll get it to fit, it's only an eighth inch off. - It's a Chinese knock-off that really is 1-3/8 Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 3:37 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Mike and all: here is the link from Amazon where I bought the filter in 1- 3/8" size. I can verify once I receive it. (Tefba Inline Radiator Coolant Filter - Fits Upper Radiator Hose Size 1 3/8") [1][4]http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD 1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+F ilter > CC: [5]detomaso at poca.com > From: [6]MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 > To: [7]reillyms at live.com > > Mike, > > I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly [8] wrote: > > > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > > are scary! Thanks again, Mike References 1. [9]http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVE G/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6692 - Release Date: 03/13/14 References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:reillyms at live.com 8. mailto:reillyms at live.com 9. http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. http://www.avg.com/ From asajay at asajay.com Thu Mar 13 23:03:28 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53227180.9050800@asajay.com> So I'm confused now... Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to actually order them: [2]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod e=F&Category_Code=Tefba So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike From: [1]Mike Reilly Sent: aThursdaya, aMarcha a13a, a2014 a3a:a37a aPM To: [2]Mike Drew Cc: [[6]3]detomaso at poca.com Mike and all: here is the link from Amazon where I bought the filter in 1- 3/8" size. I can verify once I receive it. (Tefba Inline Radiator Coolant Filter - Fits Upper Radiator Hose Size 1 3/8") [4][7]http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD 1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+F ilter > CC: [8]detomaso at poca.com > From: [9]MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:12:03 -1000 > To: [10]reillyms at live.com > > Mike, > > I couldn't find a 1 3/8 size listed anywhere? Can you share a direct link please? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:42, Mike Reilly [11] wrote: > > > All, thanks for the great replies on this topic. I decided to order > > the Tefba and found it on Amazon, ebay and the Tefba site itself (just > > search Tefba). They also list a 1-3/8" size that should fit the > > Pantera system without too much drama. Some of the pics Asa Jay posted > > are scary! Thanks again, Mike References 1. [12]mailto:reillyms at live.com 2. [13]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com 3. [14]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. [15]http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZV EG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso at poca.com [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [18]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6692 - Release Date: 03/13/14 References 1. http://www.tefba.com/ 2. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=F&Category_Code=Tefba 3. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 5. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 6. mailto:3]detomaso at poca.com 7. http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 10. mailto:reillyms at live.com 11. mailto:reillyms at live.com 12. mailto:reillyms at live.com 13. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. http://www.amazon.com/Tefba-Inline-Radiator-Coolant-Filter/dp/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394750100&sr=8-7&keywords=Tefba+Coolant+Filter 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. http://www.avg.com/ From algisby at hotmail.com Fri Mar 14 03:47:18 2014 From: algisby at hotmail.com (Al Gisby) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:47:18 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? In-Reply-To: References: <002401cf3d75$3eb067d0$bc113770$@net>, <20140311223422.0ACD8C048D@smtp.hushmail.com>, <149791879-1394579336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-87626570-@b28.c16.bise6.blackberry>, , <1394592575.69377.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <1394593918.18374.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <1394640906.45730.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Simple....if it rusts...its italian.Seriously....you can talk about parts from all over the place, but the fundamental conceptual and build ethics behind the car are awash with italian'ism'Al from Italy#1925 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:10:31 -0400 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? The lambo was designed and built by a tractor company so excuse me if I don't get all choked up by their "automotive blue blood heritage" not to mention they have never had a race team ( to my knowledge) the Muria was and is a ho car , the Espada, I don't even know where that fits in , Contach(disco inferno) Islero, Jarama, Urraco? Anybody want to trade their pantera for one? Panteras come from Modena (last time I checked that was Italy) Compare Panteras to some of the more common or most common Ferraris ( the Magnum PI 308"s) piece of shit! Pantera's will clean their clock coming and going . Mondial? A joke! Even the once mighty Testarosa ( a nice GT but no contest to a track prepared Pantera or even a current modified Pantera with a hot Cleveland! The Detomaso family was Itailian. The emigratted to Argentina but they were still Italians. When you compare performance LOOKS and COST of a Pantera to any one of their "blue blooded " cousins The Panteras hold their own wit no trouble. No apologies necessary. They used to say the time to worry is when people stop talking about you. Their still talking about Panteras , more now then they have in many years. When was the last time you read discussion about a 308 or 328 or Espada, Islero, Jarama or Urracothat discussed them in terms of still being serious contenders as far as performance goes? Hey I would love to own a Dino or a Daytona or any 1950's to 60"s ferrari but for the millions of dollars necessary I could have a fleet of every model detomaso ever made and still have enough left over to get several other very interesting cars to round out a collection that would turn heads at any Concorso alla pasta fusilli. Boyd On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:15 PM, B Hower wrote: > Buy Goodyear, I need my retirement check to keep coming. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Curt Hall > To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" ; > "detomaso-bounces at poca.com" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, > many > years. > From: "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> > To: Curt Hall <[3]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> > Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore > <[6]bill at incendium.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on > Contientals I think. > Michael > On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1][7]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > American Tires? What brand might that be? > From: "[2][8]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3][9]michael at michaelshortt.com> > To: Bill Moore <[4][10]bill at incendium.com> > Cc: [5][11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6][12]detomaso at poca.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > American Body Design > Italian Body Construction > Italian Suspension Design > American Engine > German Transaxle > British/Italian Electrics > Italian Wheels > American Tires > Brakes ? > Italian Taillights > Michael > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" > <[1][7][13]bill at incendium.com> > wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2][8][14]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9][15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: > Tue, 11 > Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4][10][16]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5][11][17]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6][12][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7][13][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8][14][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. mailto:[15][21]bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:[16][22]audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:[17][23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:[18][24]detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:[19][25]DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. 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Seriously....you can talk about parts from all over the place, but the fundamental conceptual and build ethics behind the car are awash with italian'ism' Al from Italy #1925 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:10:31 -0400 From: boyd411 at gmail.com To: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com CC: detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso-bounces at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? The lambo was designed and built by a tractor company so excuse me if I don't get all choked up by their "automotive blue blood heritage" not to mention they have never had a race team ( to my knowledge) the Muria was and is a ho car , the Espada, I don't even know where that fits in , Contach(disco inferno) Islero, Jarama, Urraco? Anybody want to trade their pantera for one? Panteras come from Modena (last time I checked that was Italy) Compare Panteras to some of the more common or most common Ferraris ( the Magnum PI 308"s) piece of shit! Pantera's will clean their clock coming and going . Mondial? A joke! Even the once mighty Testarosa ( a nice GT but no contest to a track prepared Pantera or even a current modified Pantera with a hot Cleveland! The Detomaso family was Itailian. The emigratted to Argentina but they were still Italians. When you compare performance LOOKS and COST of a Pantera to any one of their "blue blooded " cousins The Panteras hold their own wit no trouble. No apologies necessary. They used to say the time to worry is when people stop talking about you. Their still talking about Panteras , more now then they have in many years. When was the last time you read discussion about a 308 or 328 or Espada, Islero, Jarama or Urracothat discussed them in terms of still being serious contenders as far as performance goes? Hey I would love to own a Dino or a Daytona or any 1950's to 60"s ferrari but for the millions of dollars necessary I could have a fleet of every model detomaso ever made and still have enough left over to get several other very interesting cars to round out a collection that would turn heads at any Concorso alla pasta fusilli. Boyd On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:15 PM, B Hower wrote: > Buy Goodyear, I need my retirement check to keep coming. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Curt Hall > To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" ; > "detomaso-bounces at poca.com" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > Sorry I forgot about Goodyear...Haven't bought Goodyear for many, > many > years. > From: "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> > To: Curt Hall <[3]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> > Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; Bill Moore > <[6]bill at incendium.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > Goodyears Arrivas by number used, although the first ones were on > Contientals I think. > Michael > On Mar 11, 2014 10:52 PM, "Curt Hall" <[1][7]cuvee at sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > American Tires? What brand might that be? > From: "[2][8]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[3][9]michael at michaelshortt.com> > To: Bill Moore <[4][10]bill at incendium.com> > Cc: [5][11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com; [6][12]detomaso at poca.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > American Body Design > Italian Body Construction > Italian Suspension Design > American Engine > German Transaxle > British/Italian Electrics > Italian Wheels > American Tires > Brakes ? > Italian Taillights > Michael > On Mar 11, 2014 7:10 PM, "Bill Moore" > <[1][7][13]bill at incendium.com> > wrote: > You forgot the German transaxle. > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > -----Original Message----- > From: [2][8][14]audionut at hushmail.com > Sender: "DeTomaso" <[3][9][15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: > Tue, 11 > Mar > 2014 15:34:21 > To: <[4][10][16]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [5][11][17]DeTomaso at poca.com > [6][12][18][1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [7][13][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8][14][20][2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. mailto:[15][21]bill at incendium.com > 2. mailto:[16][22]audionut at hushmail.com > 3. mailto:[17][23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 4. mailto:[18][24]detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:[19][25]DeTomaso at poca.com > 6. 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Too much stuff in my garage which is doing nothing?. and funding a new engine for the race car. On Mar 13, 2014, at 22:20, Bill Moore wrote: > What's going on, are you moving? > Bill Moore > Incendium Supply > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirby Schrader > Sender: "DeTomaso" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:33:47 > To: detomaso mail list > Cc: Space City Panteras > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale > > > A slight correction? > > One oil pan is steel, the other is aluminum. Both used. > Whichever sells first get the aluminum one and the steel one goes with the engine? > or? > the other way around? > How?s that for confusing? > But I think you know what I mean?. > >> >> On Mar 13, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: >> >> I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other >> engine parts that I'd like to sell. >> It's all for a good cause... >> 351C >> - Cleveland block .030 over >> - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I'm told `it's the good >> one' whatever that means (D4AE something?) >> I can get the number if you need it >> - Eagle rods >> - TRW popup pistons >> - 10qt aluminum oil pan >> - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far >> as I can tell) >> - Solid roller cam and lifters >> - Roller rockers >> - MSD distributor >> Comments: >> This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, >> better, badder one was installed) >> It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. >> Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks >> good. >> It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. >> I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. >> Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I >> don't know why. >> Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a >> good, solid block. >> Location: Magnolia, Texas >> Pictures on request >> $2750 >> Other stuff >> - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new >> $100 plus shipping >> - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping >> - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are >> yours, otherwise they go to scrap >> - I might think of some other stuff later.... >> Kirby >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rfmccall at comcast.net Fri Mar 14 08:10:05 2014 From: rfmccall at comcast.net (rfmccall at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Holley Strip Dominator Message-ID: <443517961.9669232.1394799005660.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Looking for a Strip Dominator for a 4V Cleveland. Need ASAP. Thanks, Ron rfmccall at comcast.net From gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no Fri Mar 14 08:16:15 2014 From: gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?gudmund_fr=F8land?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] A / C Message-ID: <1394799375.6042.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? I am replacing the old A/c houses?&?York compressor with a new rotary style compressor and new hoses. -------------- next part -------------- Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? I am replacing the old A/c houses & York compressor with a new rotary style compressor and new hoses. From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 08:34:36 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:34:36 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A 351C (and other stuff) for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The aluminum pan and roller timing chain are sold. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other > engine parts that I'd like to sell. > It?s all for a good cause? > > *351C* > > - Cleveland block .030 over > - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but I?m told ?it?s the good one? > whatever that means (D4AE something?) > I can get the number if you need it > - Eagle rods > - TRW popup pistons > - 10qt aluminum oil pan > - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far as I > can tell) > - Solid roller cam and lifters > - Roller rockers > - MSD distributor > > Comments: > This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, > better, badder one was installed) > It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. > Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks > good. > It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. > I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. > Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I > don't know why. > Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a good, > solid block. > Location: Magnolia, Texas > Pictures on request > > $2750 > > *Other stuff* > > - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new $100 > plus shipping > - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping > - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are > yours, otherwise they go to scrap > - I might think of some other stuff later?. > > Kirby > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- The aluminum pan and roller timing chain are sold. A On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: I have a Cleveland motor that I will not be using in addition to other engine parts that I'd like to sell. Itas all for a good causea|A 351C A - Cleveland block .030 over A - Nodular iron stock crankshaft - stock, but Iam told aitas the good onea whatever that means (D4AE something?) A A I can get the number if you need it A - Eagle rods A - TRW popup pistons A - 10qt aluminum oil pan A - C302B heads and intake (they have not been milled or ported as far as I can tell) A - Solid roller cam and lifters A - Roller rockers A - MSD distributor Comments: This motor was running when it was pulled out of the car. (a bigger, better, badder one was installed) It had been recently rebuilt with new rings and bearings. Pulled the intake and heads and pan just to check things out. All looks good. It will only run on racegas with those popup pistons. I know nothing about the cam specs nor the valves or springs. Three of the roller rockers were replaced at some time in the past.. I don't know why. Yes, it's .030 over, but it was running good. I believe it to be a good, solid block. Location: Magnolia, Texas Pictures on request $2750 Other stuff A - 351C 6268-A351 Roller timing chain set - Ford Motorsports - new A $100 plus shipping A - 10 qt aluminum pan and pickup for a Pantera - $375 plus shipping A - Stock crankshaft x 3 - Come get'em or pay the shipping and they are yours, otherwise they go to scrap A - I might think of some other stuff latera|. Kirby References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com From gaino at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 09:14:13 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:14:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] A / C Message-ID: <11759540.1394802853693.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I use a charge that has oil 134, and dye all in one. Been working great for years! I have attached a pic Bill 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: gudmund fr?land >Sent: Mar 14, 2014 8:16 AM >To: detomaso forum >Subject: [DeTomaso] A / C > > Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in > the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? > I am replacing the old A/c houses & York compressor with a new rotary > style compressor and new hoses. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC03950.JPE Type: image/jpeg Size: 15748 bytes Desc: not available URL: From don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 10:08:14 2014 From: don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com (Don Thomas) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:08:14 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A / C In-Reply-To: <1394799375.6042.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1394799375.6042.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The best oil is DEC PAG Oil = Double End Capped PAG Oil More info here: http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=11397 Cheers ! On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:16 AM, gudmund fr?land wrote: > Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in > the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? > I am replacing the old A/c houses & York compressor with a new rotary > style compressor and new hoses. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- The best oil is DEC PAG Oil = Double End Capped PAG Oil More info here: [1]http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=11397 Cheers ! On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:16 AM, gudmund fro/land <[2]gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no> wrote: Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? I am replacing the old A/c houses & York compressor with a new rotary style compressor and new hoses. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=11397 2. mailto:gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mghibli7 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 14 12:34:18 2014 From: mghibli7 at hotmail.com (E B) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:34:18 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] New York - NPC Message-ID: Are there any New York Pantera owners in the Newark area that would be willing to pick something up for me, and take it to a UPS store or equivalent to get it shipped? A dear friend of mine just picked up some carbon fiber Ducati parts and the eBay seller won't ship them. Will gladly pay some time and gas money. Contact me off-list: mghibli7 at gmail.com Regards, Emiliano From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Fri Mar 14 13:29:30 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:29:30 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] New York - NPC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F2C3616BE6F44C8983D7444A07C3428@LarryHPPC> Emiliano, I run into this a lot. I use Yahoo Maps for the sellers location, then on the left search for shipping. It will show all the shipping locations close by. Start sending email out. Most will do this for you. The average pick up charge is $10. The boxing charges are where they get you! See if the seller will box it for you. Many Pantera Brothers have helped too :) Larry - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of E B Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 12:34 PM To: DeTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] New York - NPC Are there any New York Pantera owners in the Newark area that would be willing to pick something up for me, and take it to a UPS store or equivalent to get it shipped? A dear friend of mine just picked up some carbon fiber Ducati parts and the eBay seller won't ship them. Will gladly pay some time and gas money. Contact me off-list: mghibli7 at gmail.com Regards, Emiliano _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no Fri Mar 14 13:46:41 2014 From: gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?gudmund_fr=F8land?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:46:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Vedr: A / C In-Reply-To: References: <1394799375.6042.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1394819201.63870.YahooMailNeo@web133003.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Thanks . It was a lot to read on this link. I am just a bit worried on the change of oil if any old oil left in the system? Den Fredag, 14. mars 2014 15.08 skrev Don Thomas : The best oil is DEC PAG Oil = Double End Capped PAG Oil More info here: http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=11397 Cheers ! On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:16 AM, gudmund fr?land wrote: ? ?Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in >? ?the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? >? ?I am replacing the old A/c houses & York compressor with a new rotary >? ?style compressor and new hoses. > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Thanks . It was a lot to read on this link. I am just a bit worried on the change of oil if any old oil left in the system? Den Fredag, 14. mars 2014 15.08 skrev Don Thomas : The best oil is DEC PAG Oil = Double End Capped PAG Oil More info here: [1]http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=11397 Cheers ! On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:16 AM, gudmund fro/land <[2]gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no> wrote: Is there any recommendation on the forum for what kind of oil to use in the A/C compressor when switch to R134 gas on Air-condition system? I am replacing the old A/c houses & York compressor with a new rotary style compressor and new hoses. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=11397 2. mailto:gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From reillyms at live.com Fri Mar 14 15:47:12 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:47:12 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed (v12performance.com) is the same site as www.tefba.com (or same owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton asajay at asajay.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So I'm confused now... Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to actually order them: [2]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod e=F&Category_Code=Tefba So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed (v12performance.com) is the same site as [1]www.tefba.com (or same owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton [2]asajay at asajay.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So I'm confused now... Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to actually order them: [2][3]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ Cod e=F&Category_Code=Tefba So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3][4]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4][5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5][6]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike References 1. http://www.tefba.com/ 2. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 3. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod 4. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 6. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism From jb841 at cox.net Fri Mar 14 17:12:40 2014 From: jb841 at cox.net (John Buckman) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:12:40 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Fun Rally Early Registration Message-ID: Tomorrow, March 15, is the last day to register for the POCA Fun Rally and receive the early registration discount. You can fax or mail your completed registration form to Judy McCartney. Details are on the registration form. The registration form can be downloaded from the POCA website. John Buckman POCA President 2014/2015 Sent from my iPhone From gaino at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 18:06:16 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 18:06:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <15909650.1394834776863.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Just so we all know..these are also known as a GANO filter. No relation, Bill Gaino 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Reilly >Sent: Mar 14, 2014 3:47 PM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed > (v12performance.com) is the same site as [1]www.tefba.com (or same > owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL > tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an > order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy > running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and > ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually > making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's > actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not > then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it > would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only > I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like > and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the > background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton [2]asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > So I'm confused now... > Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA > name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? > And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- > list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to > actually order them: > [2][3]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ > Cod > e=F&Category_Code=Tefba > So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [3][4]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [4][5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [5][6]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great > conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the > guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay > and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did > warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that > it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the > owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and > deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in > Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to > order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are > the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, > seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike > >References > > 1. http://www.tefba.com/ > 2. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 3. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod > 4. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 6. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Mar 14 18:15:12 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:15:12 +0900 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <15909650.1394834776863.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <15909650.1394834776863.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bill, No, the Tefba and Gano filters are completely different. They have the same overall function but accomplish their task in different ways. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:06, bill gaino wrote: > > Just so we all know..these are > also known as a GANO filter. No relation, Bill Gaino 1362 > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Reilly >> Sent: Mar 14, 2014 3:47 PM >> To: "detomaso at poca.com" >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter >> >> Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed >> (v12performance.com) is the same site as [1]www.tefba.com (or same >> owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL >> tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an >> order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy >> running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and >> ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually >> making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's >> actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not >> then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it >> would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only >> I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like >> and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the >> background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 >> From: Asa Jay Laughton [2]asajay at asajay.com >> To: detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter >> Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> So I'm confused now... >> Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA >> name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? >> And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- >> list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to >> actually order them: >> [2][3]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ >> Cod >> e=F&Category_Code=Tefba >> So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. >> Asa Jay >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >> & Shelley Marie >> Spokane, WA >> ****************************** >> [3][4]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >> [4][5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> [5][6]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: >> Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great >> conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the >> guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay >> and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did >> warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that >> it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the >> owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and >> deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in >> Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to >> order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are >> the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, >> seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.tefba.com/ >> 2. mailto:asajay at asajay.com >> 3. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod >> 4. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ >> 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ >> 6. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts > If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From reillyms at live.com Fri Mar 14 22:24:33 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:24:33 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you ________________________________ From: Mike Reilly Sent: ?3/?14/?2014 12:47 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed (v12performance.com) is the same site as www.tefba.com (or same owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton asajay at asajay.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So I'm confused now... Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to actually order them: [2]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod e=F&Category_Code=Tefba So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]Mike Reilly Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM To: [2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed (v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton [4]asajay at asajay.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So I'm confused now... Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to actually order them: [2][5]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ Cod e=F&Category_Code=Tefba So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3][6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5][8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike References 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.tefba.com/ 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod 6. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 8. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism From demongusta at me.com Sat Mar 15 13:23:28 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 10:23:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <987384D1-2A7B-48BB-8EAD-95AA53AA0470@me.com> I have been tuning in on this debacle because I want to buy one. Now that things seem to be straightened out, can you send the website, and phone number of Alan, so I can make arrangements to buy one. Are the adapters silicone? Metal? Jack 4348 On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the > sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: > After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and > they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I > get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters > for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put > the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood > him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a > couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters > they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. > If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the > adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Mike Reilly > Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed > (v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same > owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL > tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an > order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy > running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and > ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually > making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's > actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not > then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it > would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only > I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like > and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the > background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton [4]asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > So I'm confused now... > Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA > name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? > And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- > list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to > actually order them: > [2][5]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ > Cod > e=F&Category_Code=Tefba > So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [3][6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [5][8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great > conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the > guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay > and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did > warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that > it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the > owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and > deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in > Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to > order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are > the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, > seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike > > References > > 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com > 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 3. http://www.tefba.com/ > 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 5. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod > 6. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 8. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From reillyms at live.com Sat Mar 15 15:23:16 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:23:16 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: Jack, Alan can be reached at (801) 692-1476. His Amazon site was http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/188-9839992-8285868?qid=1394911223&sr=8-2&pi=SL75. Not sure on the adapter material as I didn't receive it yet. I'll let you know. Mike ________________________________ From: Jack Donahue Sent: 3/15/2014 10:23 AM To: Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter I have been tuning in on this debacle because I want to buy one. Now that things seem to be straightened out, can you send the website, and phone number of Alan, so I can make arrangements to buy one. Are the adapters silicone? Metal? Jack 4348 On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the > sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: > After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and > they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I > get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters > for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put > the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood > him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a > couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters > they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. > If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the > adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Mike Reilly > Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed > (v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same > owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL > tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an > order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy > running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and > ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually > making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's > actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not > then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it > would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only > I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like > and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the > background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton [4]asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > So I'm confused now... > Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA > name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? > And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- > list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to > actually order them: > [2][5]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ > Cod > e=F&Category_Code=Tefba > So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [3][6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [5][8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great > conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the > guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay > and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did > warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that > it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the > owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and > deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in > Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to > order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are > the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, > seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike > > References > > 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com > 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 3. http://www.tefba.com/ > 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 5. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod > 6. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 8. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Jack, Alan can be reached at (801) 692-1476. His Amazon site was http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/188-9839992-828 5868?qid=1394911223&sr=8-2&pi=SL75. Not sure on the adapter material as I didn't receive it yet. I'll let you know. Mike __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue Sent: 3/15/2014 10:23 AM To: Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter I have been tuning in on this debacle because I want to buy one. Now that things seem to be straightened out, can you send the website, and phone number of Alan, so I can make arrangements to buy one. Are the adapters silicone? Metal? Jack 4348 On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the > sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: > After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and > they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I > get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters > for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put > the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood > him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a > couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters > they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. > If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the > adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Mike Reilly > Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed > (v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same > owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL > tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an > order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy > running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and > ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually > making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's > actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not > then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it > would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only > I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like > and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the > background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton [4]asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > So I'm confused now... > Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA > name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? > And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- > list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to > actually order them: > [2][5]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ > Cod > e=F&Category_Code=Tefba > So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [3][6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [5][8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great > conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the > guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay > and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did > warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that > it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the > owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and > deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in > Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to > order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are > the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, > seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike > > References > > 1. [1]mailto:reillyms at live.com > 2. [2]mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 3. [3]http://www.tefba.com/ > 4. [4]mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 5. [5]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod > 6. [6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 7. [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 8. [8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.tefba.com/ 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod 6. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 8. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From adin at frontier.net Sat Mar 15 15:28:41 2014 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:28:41 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] coolant filters 101 Message-ID: <8C628807794F4DBF8629B2945773779E@ZTxp> Someone please explain this to me? "No, the Tefba and Gano filters are completely different. They have the same overall function but accomplish their task in different ways. " Question #2: The gano filter lists these sizes . Small - for hoses measuring 1 1/8" to 1 3/8" . Medium - for hoses measuring 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" . Large - for hoses measuring 1 7/8" to 2 1/8" It would seem the correct thing to do would be a medium filter with step-down adapters. Rather than a small filter (restricted flow?) with a step up adapter? Any intelligent clarification welcome . . . . David in Durango "You know, some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...." -------------- next part -------------- Someone please explain this to me? "No, the Tefba and Gano filters are completely different. They have the same overall function but accomplish their task in different ways. " Question #2: The gano filter lists these sizes Small - for hoses measuring 1 1/8 to 1 3/8 Medium - for hoses measuring 1 1/2" to 1 3/4 Large - for hoses measuring 1 7/8 to 2 1/8 It would seem the correct thing to do would be a medium filter with step-down adapters. Rather than a small filter (restricted flow?) with a step up adapter? Any intelligent clarification welcome . . . . David in Durango "You know, some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...." From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 15:57:03 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:57:03 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] cheap adapters for coolant size hoses (Tefba) Message-ID: <28B0F59AC2E24AC28736BC6B63127E38@BOSS3A> Long ago I found at my local hardware store a copper pipe that is our coolant size (or really close.) I use one small elbow, 90 degree ?, so my engine front hose is not the complicated 1-piece rubber hose (hard to source) but two straight pieces (Gates Green), with the elbow in between. As the copper pipe is "expanded" to take the next (copper) piece, it is larger on one end than the other. One size seems to be close to SAE/USA standard, and the other is close to our 1 3/8-ish size (probably metric). I suspect there would be a straight "connecter" type piece a few inches long (wider on one end). This might also work as a Tefba adapter. (One on each side.) The copper pipe suggestion is from Jack DeRyke (Thanks Jack!). Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- Long ago I found at my local hardware store a copper pipe that is our coolant size (or really close.) I use one small elbow, 90 degree ?, so my engine front hose is not the complicated 1-piece rubber hose (hard to source) but two straight pieces (Gates Green), with the elbow in between. As the copper pipe is "expanded" to take the next (copper) piece, it is larger on one end than the other. One size seems to be close to SAE/USA standard, and the other is close to our 1 3/8-ish size (probably metric). I suspect there would be a straight "connecter" type piece a few inches long (wider on one end). This might also work as a Tefba adapter... (One on each side.) The copper pipe suggestion is from Jack DeRyke (Thanks Jack!). Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From jderyke at aol.com Sat Mar 15 17:02:15 2014 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] cheap adapters for coolant size hoses (Tefba) In-Reply-To: <28B0F59AC2E24AC28736BC6B63127E38@BOSS3A> References: <28B0F59AC2E24AC28736BC6B63127E38@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <8D10EA8FA919E0C-5F8-1822D@webmail-vm049.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the mention. I found those fittings, used for sweat-soldering big copper pipes, decades ago at a hardware store. I've been using them on my Fluidyne radiator and in the hose going from the surge tank back to the long stainless steel water return pipe. This hose makes a sharpish bend near the crankshaft pulley and the copper fitting takes the stress off the hose. Sweat-solder fittings are sized by OD while radiator hoses are sized by ID so likely there will be no exact fits, but as mentioned, a minute's immersion in hot water softens the hose enough to allow it to be forced onto the copper fittings or the stainless pipes. Neither the Gates hoses, copper fittings nor the stainless pipes show any signs of corrosion after 20 years of use. Note also that replacing the early stock two-sized hose that makes a convoluted bend around the gearshift rod, with the Ford L update steel piece is also a really good idea. Vibration & shift motion have worn thru these pre-L rubber hoses & they're hard to find. Also part of vendor supplied stainless kits- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy To: List DeTomaso Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:01 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] cheap adapters for coolant size hoses (Tefba) Long ago I found at my local hardware store a copper pipe that is our coolant size (or really close.) I use one small elbow, 90 degree ?, so my engine front hose is not the complicated 1-piece rubber hose (hard to source) but two straight pieces (Gates Green), with the elbow in between. As the copper pipe is "expanded" to take the next (copper) piece, it is larger on one end than the other. One size seems to be close to SAE/USA standard, and the other is close to our 1 3/8-ish size (probably metric). I suspect there would be a straight "connecter" type piece a few inches long (wider on one end). This might also work as a Tefba adapter... (One on each side.) The copper pipe suggestion is from Jack DeRyke (Thanks Jack!). Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Thanks for the mention. I found those fittings, used for sweat-soldering big copper pipes, decades ago at a hardware store. I've been using them on my Fluidyne radiator and in the hose going from the surge tank back to the long stainless steel water return pipe. This hose makes a sharpish bend near the crankshaft pulley and the copper fitting takes the stress off the hose. Sweat-solder fittings are sized by OD while radiator hoses are sized by ID so likely there will be no exact fits, but as mentioned, a minute's immersion in hot water softens the hose enough to allow it to be forced onto the copper fittings or the stainless pipes. Neither the Gates hoses, copper fittings nor the stainless pipes show any signs of corrosion after 20 years of use. Note also that replacing the early stock two-sized hose that makes a convoluted bend around the gearshift rod, with the Ford L update steel piece is also a really good idea. Vibration & shift motion have worn thru these pre-L rubber hoses & they're hard to find. Also part of vendor supplied stainless kits- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy To: List DeTomaso Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:01 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] cheap adapters for coolant size hoses (Tefba) Long ago I found at my local hardware store a copper pipe that is our coolant size (or really close.) I use one small elbow, 90 degree ?, so my engine front hose is not the complicated 1-piece rubber hose (hard to source) but two straight pieces (Gates Green), with the elbow in between. As the copper pipe is "expanded" to take the next (copper) piece, it is larger on one end than the other. One size seems to be close to SAE/USA standard, and the other is close to our 1 3/8-ish size (probably metric). I suspect there would be a straight "connecter" type piece a few inches long (wider on one end). This might also work as a Tefba adapter... (One on each side.) The copper pipe suggestion is from Jack DeRyke (Thanks Jack!). Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1][1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. [2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From fresnofinches at aol.com Sat Mar 15 20:46:01 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] coolant filters 101 Message-ID: <8D10EC83C79BB9D-2920-1B518@webmail-va030.sysops.aol.com> Dear Dirty and Grouchy in Durango, Maybe not intelligent, but what the heck........ Question #1 - ...same function...different ways..... ???? I can remove/check/clean/replace my Tefba filter screen in about a minute and if I am really sloppy, spill all of 20 drops of coolant. The Gamo .... not so much. Sure, you can SEE the filer cone, but a coolant-spilling PITA to get it out for cleaning. Question #2 - Your thoughts on the Gamo filter make sense. The Gamo is essentially a clear piece of pipe the same size as the coolant system piping, containing a cone-shaped filter. Larger the clear pipe, large the cone. Of course, someone brighter than me can now chime in on how increased diameter related to gpm flow related to surface area of the cone, yada, yada.... So the use of adapters to utilize the bigger or the biggest Gamo might make sense. (The Tefba has the same filter section regardless of the inlet / outlet fittings' size. Same V-shaped SS screen placed across the coolant flow.) Larry What restraints? The meds are working fine. They're working just fine.....working fine...working fine...... -------------- next part -------------- Dear Dirty and Grouchy in Durango, Maybe not intelligent, but what the heck........ Question #1 - ...same function...different ways..... ???? I can remove/check/clean/replace my Tefba filter screen in about a minute and if I am really sloppy, spill all of 20 drops of coolant. The Gamo .... not so much. Sure, you can SEE the filer cone, but a coolant-spilling PITA to get it out for cleaning. Question #2 - Your thoughts on the Gamo filter make sense. The Gamo is essentially a clear piece of pipe the same size as the coolant system piping, containing a cone-shaped filter. Larger the clear pipe, large the cone. Of course, someone brighter than me can now chime in on how increased diameter related to gpm flow related to surface area of the cone, yada, yada.... So the use of adapters to utilize the bigger or the biggest Gamo might make sense. (The Tefba has the same filter section regardless of the inlet / outlet fittings' size. Same V-shaped SS screen placed across the coolant flow.) Larry What restraints? The meds are working fine. They're working just fine.....working fine...working fine...... From spkorb at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 21:43:27 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 21:43:27 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera GTS featured in May Classic Motorsports Message-ID: Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of Classic Motorsports. There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car is a lovely 1974 example. This one: http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm sean -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From michael at michaelshortt.com Sat Mar 15 22:49:19 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera GTS featured in May Classic Motorsports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold of 150 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 like it represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso Panteras) Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of Classic Motorsports. There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car is a lovely 1974 example. This one: http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm sean -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold of 150 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 like it represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso Panteras) Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of Classic Motorsports. There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car is a lovely 1974 example. This one: [1]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm sean -- Sean Korb [2]spkorb at spkorb.org [3]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm 2. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 3. http://www.spkorb.org/ 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Sat Mar 15 23:04:40 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 23:04:40 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] The Shortt List - Marti Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them, please share. Thanks Michael Shortt 37 cars so far. > > > > Want to know more? > > > > I use Marti Reports... please send yours. > > > > 11/18 Note: A valid point has been > > raised about build date versus release > > date, Thus the build date for each car > > will be listed next to it's serial number, > > > > followed by the release date which is > > more likely when it was finished and > > > > ready for shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > 36 US Cars and 1 Euro Car so far, > > > > > > > Please send your info if you have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > US Cars > > > > > > > TOTAL 5,244 > > > > > > > Imported to the US Market > > > > > > > 25.57% of which were Yellow > > > > The second most popular > > color appears to be White. > > > > Less than 3% were GTS Models > > > > 14% were 71's > > 40% were 72's > > 24% were 73's > > 21% were 74's > > > > > > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .0057% > > of US Import Models at 30 total units. > > > > > The most popular Pantera is a > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at > > > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > > 743 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > 1464 5/71 2/72 > > 1490 5/71 12/71 > > 1660 6/71 3/72 > > 1661 6/71 4/72 2042 7/71 4/72 > > > > > > > > 120 made in May > > 208 made in June 263 made in July > > 101 made in Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224 Yellow 30% > > 87 Lime 12% > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > > > > 2,131 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars included > > > > > > > 2071 9/71 5/72 > > 2207 10/71 6/72 > > > > 2586 1/72 12/72 > > 2761 2/72 10/72 > > 3310 4/72 8/72 > > 3400. 5/72 8/72 > > 3482 4/72 9/72 > > 3676 6/72 2/72 > > 3960 7/72 3/73 > > 4234 7/72 2/73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 307 made in January > > 238 made in February > > 308 made in April > > 171 made in May > > 227 made in June > > 445 made in July > > 83 made in September > > > > > > > > > > > 558 Yellow 26% > > 517 White 24% > > 436 Red 20% > > 244 Blue 11% > > 94 Lime. 4% > > 107 Silver 4% > > 57 Green 2% > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > Includes some 72 Models designated as > > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839 > > > > > > > 1,258 ALL Standard > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > > 4443* 9/72 5/73 > 4520* 9/72 10/73 > > 4566* 10/72 7/73 > > 4665* 10/72 6/73 > > > > 4860 10/72 5/73 > > 5048 12/72 8/73 > > 5445 3/73 9/73 > > 5491 4/73 12/73 > > 5906 7/73 5/74 > > 5926 7/73 7/73 > > > > > > > 68 in March > > 83 in April > > 185 in July > > 187 in October > > 163 in September > > 113 in December > > > > > > > 334 Yellow 26% > > 277 White. 22% > > 203 Orange 16% > > 178 Red 14% > > 90 Green 7% > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > > 1,112 Produced > > > > > > > 962 Standard > > 150 GTS Models > > > > > > > 6143 8/73 2/75 > > 6328 9/73 9/74 > > 6480 10/73 8/74 > > 6590 10/73 8/74 > > 6928 12/73 11/74 > > 7080 1/74 11/74 > > 7207 2/74 9/74 > > 7217 3/74 1/75 > > 7269 3/74 12/74 > > 7314 6/74 1/75 > > 7366 6/74 1/75 > > > > > > > > > 142 in Jan > > 39 in Feb > > > > 61 in Mar > > 69 in June > > 65 in Aug > > 113 in Sept > > 224 in Oct > > 128 in Dec > > > > > > > > > 225 Yellow 20% > > 191 White 17% > > 188 Orange 17% > > 151 Red 13% > > > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40% > > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40% > > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20% > > > > > > > > > > > > Euro Cars > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > 549 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > 416 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > > ? Produced > > > > > > > > > > 5186 GTS > > > > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > > > > Blk/Silver > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > 369 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following information was > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell > > > > > who credits George Pence. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971, > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles > > > > > based on the fiscal year. > > > > > > > > > > The curious part of that difference ... > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971 > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln > > > > > showroom until February or March of > > > > > 1972. > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models > > > > > since September 1971. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short, > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973, > > > > > just like Ford. > > > > > > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models, > > > > > a few were actually built before > > > > > January, in 1970) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382 > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly > > > > > line models) > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292 > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268 > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839 > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short > > > > > 6 month model year) > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899 > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's > > > > > production year, then extended. > > > > > Should have ended June 1974) > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380 > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!) > > > > > > > > > > The total number of Panteras based > > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74 > > > > > > > > > > 5,244 US Models > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models > > > > > > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136 > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334 > > > > > not counting all of 73. > > > > > > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE. > > > > > More to come. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > > Savannah, Georgia > > www.michaelshortt.com > > michael at michaelshortt.com > > 912-232-9390 > > > > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them, please share. Thanks Michael Shortt 37 cars so far. > > > > Want to know more? > > > > I use Marti Reports... please send yours. > > > > 11/18 Note: A valid point has been > > raised about build date versus release > > date, Thus the build date for each car > > will be listed next to it's serial number, > > > > followed by the release date which is > > more likely when it was finished and > > > > ready for shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > 36 US Cars and 1 Euro Car so far, > > > > > > > Please send your info if you have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > US Cars > > > > > > > TOTAL 5,244 > > > > > > > Imported to the US Market > > > > > > > 25.57% of which were Yellow > > > > The second most popular > > color appears to be White. > > > > Less than 3% were GTS Models > > > > 14% were 71's > > 40% were 72's > > 24% were 73's > > 21% were 74's > > > > > > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .0057% > > of US Import Models at 30 total units. > > > > > The most popular Pantera is a > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at > > > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > > 743 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > 1464 5/71 2/72 > > 1490 5/71 12/71 > > 1660 6/71 3/72 > > 1661 6/71 4/72 2042 7/71 4/72 > > > > > > > > 120 made in May > > 208 made in June 263 made in July > > 101 made in Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224 Yellow 30% > > 87 Lime 12% > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > > > > 2,131 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars included > > > > > > > 2071 9/71 5/72 > > 2207 10/71 6/72 > > > > 2586 1/72 12/72 > > 2761 2/72 10/72 > > 3310 4/72 8/72 > > 3400. 5/72 8/72 > > 3482 4/72 9/72 > > 3676 6/72 2/72 > > 3960 7/72 3/73 > > 4234 7/72 2/73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 307 made in January > > 238 made in February > > 308 made in April > > 171 made in May > > 227 made in June > > 445 made in July > > 83 made in September > > > > > > > > > > > 558 Yellow 26% > > 517 White 24% > > 436 Red 20% > > 244 Blue 11% > > 94 Lime. 4% > > 107 Silver 4% > > 57 Green 2% > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > Includes some 72 Models designated as > > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839 > > > > > > > 1,258 ALL Standard > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > > 4443* 9/72 5/73 > 4520* 9/72 10/73 > > 4566* 10/72 7/73 > > 4665* 10/72 6/73 > > > > 4860 10/72 5/73 > > 5048 12/72 8/73 > > 5445 3/73 9/73 > > 5491 4/73 12/73 > > 5906 7/73 5/74 > > 5926 7/73 7/73 > > > > > > > 68 in March > > 83 in April > > 185 in July > > 187 in October > > 163 in September > > 113 in December > > > > > > > 334 Yellow 26% > > 277 White. 22% > > 203 Orange 16% > > 178 Red 14% > > 90 Green 7% > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > > 1,112 Produced > > > > > > > 962 Standard > > 150 GTS Models > > > > > > > 6143 8/73 2/75 > > 6328 9/73 9/74 > > 6480 10/73 8/74 > > 6590 10/73 8/74 > > 6928 12/73 11/74 > > 7080 1/74 11/74 > > 7207 2/74 9/74 > > 7217 3/74 1/75 > > 7269 3/74 12/74 > > 7314 6/74 1/75 > > 7366 6/74 1/75 > > > > > > > > > 142 in Jan > > 39 in Feb > > > > 61 in Mar > > 69 in June > > 65 in Aug > > 113 in Sept > > 224 in Oct > > 128 in Dec > > > > > > > > > 225 Yellow 20% > > 191 White 17% > > 188 Orange 17% > > 151 Red 13% > > > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40% > > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40% > > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20% > > > > > > > > > > > > Euro Cars > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > 549 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > 416 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > > ? Produced > > > > > > > > > > 5186 GTS > > > > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > > > > Blk/Silver > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > 369 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following information was > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell > > > > > who credits George Pence. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971, > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles > > > > > based on the fiscal year. > > > > > > > > > > The curious part of that difference ... > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971 > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln > > > > > showroom until February or March of > > > > > 1972. > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models > > > > > since September 1971. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short, > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973, > > > > > just like Ford. > > > > > > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models, > > > > > a few were actually built before > > > > > January, in 1970) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382 > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly > > > > > line models) > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292 > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268 > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839 > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short > > > > > 6 month model year) > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899 > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's > > > > > production year, then extended. > > > > > Should have ended June 1974) > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380 > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!) > > > > > > > > > > The total number of Panteras based > > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74 > > > > > > > > > > 5,244 US Models > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models > > > > > > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136 > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334 > > > > > not counting all of 73. > > > > > > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE. > > > > > More to come. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > > Savannah, Georgia > > [1]www.michaelshortt.com > > [2]michael at michaelshortt.com > > 912-232-9390 > > > > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 12:03:43 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:03:43 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera GTS featured in May Classic Motorsports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold of 150 > 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 like it > represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso > Panteras) > > Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, > Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De > Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of > Classic Motorsports. > There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave > it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not > compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and > definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car > is a lovely 1974 example. This one: > [1]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm > sean > -- > Sean Korb [2]spkorb at spkorb.org [3]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [4]DeTomaso at poca.com > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm > 2. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 3. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold of 150 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 like it represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso Panteras) Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of Classic Motorsports. There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car is a lovely 1974 example. This one: [1][3]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/deta il.htm sean -- Sean Korb [2][4]spkorb at spkorb.org [3][5]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4][6]DeTomaso at poca.com [5][7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [8]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail. htm 2. mailto:[9]spkorb at spkorb.org 3. [10]http://www.spkorb.org/ 4. mailto:[11]DeTomaso at poca.com 5. [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso at poca.com [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm 4. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 5. http://www.spkorb.org/ 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm 9. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 10. http://www.spkorb.org/ 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Sun Mar 16 12:25:15 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:25:15 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera GTS featured in May Classic Motorsports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds right, the 1971 351 was the highest at 330 bhp. It went downhill every year after that as a result of lower compression, smog crap etc. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine Michael Shortt If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold of 150 > 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 like it > represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso > Panteras) > > Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, > Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De > Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of > Classic Motorsports. > There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave > it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not > compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and > definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car > is a lovely 1974 example. This one: > [1]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm > sean > -- > Sean Korb [2]spkorb at spkorb.org [3]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [4]DeTomaso at poca.com > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm > 2. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 3. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Sounds right, the 1971 351 was the highest at 330 bhp. It went downhill every year after that as a result of lower compression, smog crap etc. [1]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine Michael Shortt If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, [2]michael at michaelshortt.com <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold of 150 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 like it represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso Panteras) Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam Tiger, Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a De Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue of Classic Motorsports. There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll leave it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The car is a lovely 1974 example. This one: [1][4]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/deta il.htm sean -- Sean Korb [2][5]spkorb at spkorb.org [3][6]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4][7]DeTomaso at poca.com [5][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [9]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail. htm 2. mailto:[10]spkorb at spkorb.org 3. [11]http://www.spkorb.org/ 4. mailto:[12]DeTomaso at poca.com 5. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm 10. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 11. http://www.spkorb.org/ 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Sun Mar 16 13:45:41 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:45:41 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <987384D1-2A7B-48BB-8EAD-95AA53AA0470@me.com> References: <987384D1-2A7B-48BB-8EAD-95AA53AA0470@me.com> Message-ID: <5325E345.80509@asajay.com> TEFBA: [cid:part1.05020902.08070309 at asajay.com] GANO: [cid:part2.07080008.08060206 at asajay.com] Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/15/2014 10:23 AM, Jack Donahue wrote: I have been tuning in on this debacle because I want to buy one. Now that things seem to be straightened out, can you send the website, and phone number of Alan , so I can make arrangements to buy one. Are the adapters silicone? Metal? Jack 4348 On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]Mike Reilly Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM To: [[4]2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed (v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton [[5]4]asajay at asajay.com To: [6]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter Message-ID: [7]<53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So I'm confused now... Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to actually order them: [2][5][8]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ Cod e=F&Category_Code=Tefba So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3][6][9]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4][7][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5][8][11]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike References 1. [12]mailto:reillyms at live.com 2. [13]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. [14]http://www.tefba.com/ 4. [15]mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. [16]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod 6. [17]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 7. [18]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 8. 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To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 From asajay at asajay.com Sun Mar 16 14:40:24 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:40:24 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Where the heck is my Profiles?! > > I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our > Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his > handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his > explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. > > Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the > month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To > which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete > an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him > over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core > article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints > about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact > is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to > print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. > Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share > them with us? > > So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 > recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be > receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the > Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to > bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the > owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing > YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially > if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help > them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up > within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have > volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. > > This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new > members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but > please don't give up on it! > > Thanks > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 > > From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 15:02:17 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:02:17 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> Message-ID: <9C7F73C9B3C149B2BAF5B05AFDF28200@BOSS3A> I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars that have just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. There are many cars with an interesting story... The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this was already published) The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, and long gone. Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher prices...) The highest mileage car known... The story of the crash test cars. A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow or Ron Wade). Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the Pompero, etc... I could go on but you get the idea. And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' do, I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. Chuck From pantdino at aol.com Sun Mar 16 15:08:04 2014 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> Message-ID: <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Where the heck is my Profiles?! > > I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our > Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his > handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his > explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. > > Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the > month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To > which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete > an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him > over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core > article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints > about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact > is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to > print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. > Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share > them with us? > > So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 > recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be > receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the > Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to > bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the > owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing > YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially > if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help > them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up > within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have > volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. > > This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new > members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but > please don't give up on it! > > Thanks > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Where the heck is my Profiles?! > > I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our > Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his > handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his > explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. > > Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the > month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To > which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete > an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him > over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core > article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints > about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact > is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to > print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. > Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share > them with us? > > So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 > recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be > receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the > Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to > bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the > owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing > YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially > if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help > them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up > within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have > volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. > > This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new > members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but > please don't give up on it! > > Thanks > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [4]DeTomaso at poca.com > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [6]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. http://www.avg.com/ 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 16:12:28 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:12:28 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera GTS featured in May Classic Motorsports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hot Rod did a Ford vs. Chevy shootout in Jan 2010. They compared popular engines with factory builds. They made an honest effort to duplicate what the factory did in the 70's - factory cams, compression ratios, etc. The 1970 351 Cobra Jet, which was rated at 300HP did 365HP. It had 11-1 compression. The 1971 351 Boss, which was rated at 330HP did 383HP. Our 72-74 351C engines probably had 9.5-1 compression. I think that's how mine measured. I checked, but I don't have the details in front of me. At any rate, it isn't too much of a stretch to claim 350HP for a 72-74 351C - as long as you're not talking about rated HP. On 3/16/14 11:25 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Sounds right, the 1971 351 was the highest at 330 bhp. > It went downhill every year after that as a result of lower > compression, smog crap etc. > > [1]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine > > Michael Shortt > > If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) > > If it's stock (as stated) the 350 HP # is wrong (more like 280) > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, [2]michael at michaelshortt.com > <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > > Also the rarest normal Pantera. Only 30 produced in Yellow/Gold > of 150 > 1974 US GTS models (the only year). This model and the other 29 > like it > represent exactly .0057% of total production ( 5,244 US DeTomaso > Panteras) > > Craig Brody has a collection of fine Fords including a Sunbeam > Tiger, > Saleen Speedster, Lazzarino Sports Prototype, Autokraft Mk IV and a > De > Tomaso Pantera GTS. They are lovingly featured in this May's issue > of > Classic Motorsports. > There are a couple of items that are not quite correct and I'll > leave > it to others to spot them, but it's really quibbling. It's not > compiled from other press releases and the writing is original and > definitely has a crush on this car. I mean, he's only human. The > car > is a lovely 1974 example. This one: > > > [1][4]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/deta > il.htm > sean > -- > Sean Korb [2][5]spkorb at spkorb.org [3][6]http://www.spkorb.org > > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. > Picasso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [4][7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [5][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [9]http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail. > htm > 2. mailto:[10]spkorb at spkorb.org > 3. [11]http://www.spkorb.org/ > 4. mailto:[12]DeTomaso at poca.com > 5. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [14]DeTomaso at poca.com > [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 4. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 9. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/74gts/detail.htm > 10. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 11. http://www.spkorb.org/ > 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 15:28:37 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:28:37 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <9C7F73C9B3C149B2BAF5B05AFDF28200@BOSS3A> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> <9C7F73C9B3C149B2BAF5B05AFDF28200@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <00c201cf414d$ee0c1450$ca243cf0$@comcast.net> Excellent point, Chuck, and better said than I did in my note. Thanks Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of The DeTomaso Registry Guy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:02 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars that have just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. There are many cars with an interesting story... The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this was already published) The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, and long gone. Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher prices...) The highest mileage car known... The story of the crash test cars. A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow or Ron Wade). Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the Pompero, etc... I could go on but you get the idea. And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' do, I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. Chuck _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 15:32:43 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:32:43 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00c301cf414e$80c40be0$824c23a0$@comcast.net> So, no reason we couldn't include a feature about one of the many outstanding survivor cars which have come to light in recent years. We have a couple right here in the PNW club. The feature could focus on the current owner's search or original owner's chronicle, discussion of how the original survivor has managed to stay that way, etc.. Add to that Chuck Melton's suggestions, and IT'S ALL GOOD, people! Let's just get them written and out there. That's why I thought working through the Chapters to inspire their membership to get the stories out there may help get something done. Thanks to all! Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Pantdino Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08 PM To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Where the heck is my Profiles?! > > I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, > and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an > example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few > weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. > > Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of > the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and > centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project > articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective > feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various > reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. > I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine > which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, > need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. > Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to > share them with us? > > So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 > recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be > receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging > the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done > something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. > that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. > Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some > Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help > them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up > within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we > have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. > > This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new > members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, > but please don't give up on it! > > Thanks > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: > 03/16/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From WLHPANTERA at aol.com Sun Mar 16 15:38:28 2014 From: WLHPANTERA at aol.com (WLHPANTERA at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Message-ID: Chuck: Great ideas except that Dave Rudderow died over a year ago :( Kind of like Profiles... I gave up submitting articles (used to be a regular contributor) I'm not volunteering... Don't get me wrong. We can't complain if we aren't willing to contribute. It's a Catch 22 situation. Sorry, but with my busy schedule, I haven't been able to write articles in the past three years. Maybe some more of the "Retired" folks could help out us poor working stiffs. Just a thought. We have transitioned to a real-time web based society & the printed media is obsolete. The present Detomaso Forum now allows a quick note & attach (linked?) photos. ... Instantly sent across the world. Times have changed. Some have suggested a merging of the Newsletter and Profiles. Seems to make sense considering the current status of both publications. OK, I'm going back to my "lurker" mode. See you all at the Fun Rally! Bill Harris TPOC In a message dated 3/16/2014 12:03:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes: I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars that have just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. There are many cars with an interesting story... The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this was already published) The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, and long gone. Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher prices...) The highest mileage car known... The story of the crash test cars. A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow or Ron Wade). Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the Pompero, etc... I could go on but you get the idea. And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' do, I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. Chuck _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Chuck: Great ideas except that Dave Rudderow died over a year ago :( Kind of like Profiles... I gave up submitting articles (used to be a regular contributor) I'm not volunteering... Don't get me wrong. We can't complain if we aren't willing to contribute. It's a Catch 22 situation. Sorry, but with my busy schedule, I haven't been able to write articles in the past three years. Maybe some more of the "Retired" folks could help out us poor working stiffs. Just a thought. We have transitioned to a real-time web based society & the printed media is obsolete. The present Detomaso Forum now allows a quick note & attach (linked?) photos. ... Instantly sent across the world. Times have changed. Some have suggested a merging of the Newsletter and Profiles. Seems to make sense considering the current status of both publications. OK, I'm going back to my "lurker" mode. See you all at the Fun Rally! Bill Harris TPOC In a message dated 3/16/2014 12:03:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes: I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars that have just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. There are many cars with an interesting story... The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this was already published) The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, and long gone. Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher prices...) The highest mileage car known... The story of the crash test cars. A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow or Ron Wade). Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the Pompero, etc... I could go on but you get the idea. And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' do, I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. Chuck _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 16:04:02 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:04:02 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A05E7649D0D433693ADEDF8CBD21051@BOSS3A> Chuck: Great ideas except that Dave Rudderow died over a year ago :( Yes I know of Dave's passing, but his is still a great ownership story. Bought it new. Drove it for 40-ish years, and 200,000+ miles making updates along the way.. Supported the clubs and owners. Great Guy. Chuck -------------- next part -------------- Chuck: Great ideas except that Dave Rudderow died over a year ago :( Yes I know of Dave's passing, but his is still a great ownership story... Bought it new... Drove it for 40-ish years, and 200,000+ miles making updates along the way.... Supported the clubs and owners... Great Guy. Chuck From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 16 16:21:48 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:21:48 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> Message-ID: I have a full restoration which is documented in photos and video. Unfortunately I have little time to pull all that together. Very time consuming. I guess I will shoot Mike an email and maybe he can make some suggestions on exactly what he wants. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Asa Jay Laughton > Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:40 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I have a full restoration which is documented in photos and video. Unfortunately I have little time to pull all that together. Very time consuming. I guess I will shoot Mike an email and maybe he can make some suggestions on exactly what he wants. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Asa Jay Laughton <[2]asajay at asajay.com> Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:40 AM To: "[3]detomaso at poca.com" <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [7]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 16 16:26:07 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:26:07 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <00c301cf414e$80c40be0$824c23a0$@comcast.net> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> <00c301cf414e$80c40be0$824c23a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: How about people (that have the time) make drafts for Mike Drew to polish up? Some of you have lots of history and details in your heads. Just a suggestion. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Mike Thomas > Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:32 PM To: 'Pantdino' >, "asajay at asajay.com" >, "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? So, no reason we couldn't include a feature about one of the many outstanding survivor cars which have come to light in recent years. We have a couple right here in the PNW club. The feature could focus on the current owner's search or original owner's chronicle, discussion of how the original survivor has managed to stay that way, etc.. Add to that Chuck Melton's suggestions, and IT'S ALL GOOD, people! Let's just get them written and out there. That's why I thought working through the Chapters to inspire their membership to get the stories out there may help get something done. Thanks to all! Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Pantdino Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08 PM To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton > To: detomaso > Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- How about people (that have the time) make drafts for Mike Drew to polish up? Some of you have lots of history and details in your heads. Just a suggestion. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Mike Thomas <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:32 PM To: 'Pantdino' <[3]pantdino at aol.com>, "[4]asajay at asajay.com" <[5]asajay at asajay.com>, "[6]detomaso at poca.com" <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? So, no reason we couldn't include a feature about one of the many outstanding survivor cars which have come to light in recent years. We have a couple right here in the PNW club. The feature could focus on the current owner's search or original owner's chronicle, discussion of how the original survivor has managed to stay that way, etc.. Add to that Chuck Melton's suggestions, and IT'S ALL GOOD, people! Let's just get them written and out there. That's why I thought working through the Chapters to inspire their membership to get the stories out there may help get something done. Thanks to all! Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Pantdino Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08 PM To: [9]asajay at asajay.com; [10]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton <[11]asajay at asajay.com> To: detomaso <[12]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [13]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [14]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [15]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso at poca.com [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [20]DeTomaso at poca.com [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. mailto:pantdino at aol.com 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 9. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 14. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 15. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 16:46:40 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:46:40 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> Message-ID: <00de01cf4158$d5c86000$81592000$@comcast.net> Terry, if you have time to shoot me the cliff notes version, I'm happy to write it for you. I've done a number of Profiles articles in the past. Send me the notes and some key pics of: what the car looked like when you first bought it, process of restoration, after photos, then the money shots for the centerfold and cover. I can put an outline together, then have a couple of phone conversations to fill it in. Glad to help Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:22 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? I have a full restoration which is documented in photos and video. Unfortunately I have little time to pull all that together. Very time consuming. I guess I will shoot Mike an email and maybe he can make some suggestions on exactly what he wants. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Asa Jay Laughton > Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:40 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From pantdino at aol.com Sun Mar 16 19:23:11 2014 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 19:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <00de01cf4158$d5c86000$81592000$@comcast.net> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> <00de01cf4158$d5c86000$81592000$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D10F85D5137844-CC0-22DE4@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> The alternative would be to decrease the dues and not worry about the Profiles-- just include articles with the Newsletter. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Thomas To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' ; 'Asa Jay Laughton' ; detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Terry, if you have time to shoot me the cliff notes version, I'm happy to write it for you. I've done a number of Profiles articles in the past. Send me the notes and some key pics of: what the car looked like when you first bought it, process of restoration, after photos, then the money shots for the centerfold and cover. I can put an outline together, then have a couple of phone conversations to fill it in. Glad to help Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:22 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? I have a full restoration which is documented in photos and video. Unfortunately I have little time to pull all that together. Very time consuming. I guess I will shoot Mike an email and maybe he can make some suggestions on exactly what he wants. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Asa Jay Laughton > Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:40 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- The alternative would be to decrease the dues and not worry about the Profiles-- just include articles with the Newsletter. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Thomas To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' ; 'Asa Jay Laughton' ; detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Terry, if you have time to shoot me the cliff notes version, I'm happy to write it for you. I've done a number of Profiles articles in the past. Send me the notes and some key pics of: what the car looked like when you first bought it, process of restoration, after photos, then the money shots for the centerfold and cover. I can put an outline together, then have a couple of phone conversations to fill it in. Glad to help Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:22 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; [2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? I have a full restoration which is documented in photos and video. Unfortunately I have little time to pull all that together. Very time consuming. I guess I will shoot Mike an email and maybe he can make some suggestions on exactly what he wants. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> From: Asa Jay Laughton <[5]asajay at asajay.com<[6]mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:40 AM To: "[7]detomaso at poca.com<[8]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <[9]detomaso at poca.com<[10]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [11]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [12]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [13]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com<[15]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com> [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [17]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com<[19]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com> [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [21]DeTomaso at poca.com [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com? 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 4. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov? 5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 6. mailto:asajay at asajay.com? 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"? 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com? 11. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 12. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 13. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com? 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. http://www.avg.com/ 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com? 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 16 22:42:24 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:42:24 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net>, <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com>, <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I read an article about the money spent at auto auctions the last two months (Mecum, etc.) - and the money spent on Corvette "restomods" was unbelievable - and you know that Corvette aficionados are hell-bent on originality. So, maybe what you are proposing won't happen in the Pantera world. Maybe it is just a slight hiccup in our blissedness!! ---BILL Lewis To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com From: pantdino at aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Where the heck is my Profiles?! > > I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our > Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his > handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his > explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. > > Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the > month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To > which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete > an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him > over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core > article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints > about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact > is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to > print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. > Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share > them with us? > > So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 > recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be > receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the > Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to > bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the > owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing > YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially > if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help > them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up > within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have > volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. > > This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new > members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but > please don't give up on it! > > Thanks > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I read an article about the money spent at auto auctions the last two months (Mecum, etc.) - and the money spent on Corvette "restomods" was unbelievable - and you know that Corvette aficionados are hell-bent on originality. So, maybe what you are proposing won't happen in the Pantera world. Maybe it is just a slight hiccup in our blissedness!! ---BILL Lewis To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com From: pantdino at aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this prob lem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be int erested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will n ot go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Where the heck is my Profiles?! > > I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our > Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his > handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his > explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. > > Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the > month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To > which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete > an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him > over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core > article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints > about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact > is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to > print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. > Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share > them with us? > > So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 > recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be > receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the > Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to > bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the > owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing > YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially > if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help > them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up > within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have > volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. > > This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new > members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but > please don't give up on it! > > Thanks > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 16 22:45:16 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:45:16 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <9C7F73C9B3C149B2BAF5B05AFDF28200@BOSS3A> References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net>, <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com>, <9C7F73C9B3C149B2BAF5B05AFDF28200@BOSS3A> Message-ID: And, actually, the "feature" article does not have to focus on the CAR - it can focus on the owner, or the owners (the history of the car) - remember: "dog bites man" - not newsworthy? "Man bites dog" - is newsworthy! ---BILL Lewis > From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:02:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? > > > I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars that have > just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. > > There are many cars with an interesting story... > > The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this was > already published) > > The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... > > The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... > > Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. > (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, and long > gone. > > Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher > prices...) > > The highest mileage car known... > > The story of the crash test cars. > > A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow > or Ron Wade). > > Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the Pompero, > etc... > > I could go on but you get the idea. > > And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' do, > I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- And, actually, the "feature" article does not have to focus on the CAR - it can focus on the owner, or the owners (the history of the car) - remember: "dog bites man" - not newsworthy? "Man bites dog" - is newsworthy! ---BILL Lewis > From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:02:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? > > > I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars that have > just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. > > There are many cars with an interesting story... > > The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this was > already published) > > The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... > > The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... > > Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. > (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, and long > gone. > > Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher > prices...) > > The highest mileage car known... > > The story of the crash test cars. > > A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow > or Ron Wade). > > Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the Pompero, > etc... > > I could go on but you get the idea. > > And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' do, > I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 16 23:44:03 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 03:44:03 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net> <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com> <8D10F6230F92E69-CC0-21E63@webmail-m294.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I think I agree with that. There are always a 'few' collectors out there who are looking for an pristine original car to put in their museum. But most people who know Pantera's know that they were made to drive. All all the upgrades are mostly to make them more drivable, specific to that owner. My guess is that there will always be a demand for the modified, upgraded Pantera. It's just a timeless car with a rich history to boot. IMHO Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Bill Lewis > Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:42 PM To: Pantdino >, "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? I read an article about the money spent at auto auctions the last two months (Mecum, etc.) - and the money spent on Corvette "restomods" was unbelievable - and you know that Corvette aficionados are hell-bent on originality. So, maybe what you are proposing won't happen in the Pantera world. Maybe it is just a slight hiccup in our blissedness!! ---BILL Lewis To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at poca.com From: pantdino at aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton > To: detomaso > Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I think I agree with that. There are always a 'few' collectors out there who are looking for an pristine original car to put in their museum. But most people who know Pantera's know that they were made to drive. All all the upgrades are mostly to make them more drivable, specific to that owner. My guess is that there will always be a demand for the modified, upgraded Pantera. It's just a timeless car with a rich history to boot. IMHO Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Bill Lewis <[2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:42 PM To: Pantdino <[3]pantdino at aol.com>, "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? I read an article about the money spent at auto auctions the last two months (Mecum, etc.) - and the money spent on Corvette "restomods" was unbelievable - and you know that Corvette aficionados are hell-bent on originality. So, maybe what you are proposing won't happen in the Pantera world. Maybe it is just a slight hiccup in our blissedness!! ---BILL Lewis To: [6]asajay at asajay.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com From: [8]pantdino at aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And if you are looking for cars which have had extensive modifications this problem will only get worse as the stock cars gain value-- fewer people will be interested in spending big bucks on mods when they know the value of the car will not go up and possibly go down as they do so. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay at asajay.com> To: detomaso <[10]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:41 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? Meanwhile... Those of us who -have- submitted articles (over a year ago), are still waiting on the "feature" articles so the rest of our submitted articles can be published. Mike certainly has my permission to turn my article into a feature article if he likes. I would postulate, there are not as many Pantera restorations as there were 10 years ago. Perhaps that's a driving factor in the absence of feature articles? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [11]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [12]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [13]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/16/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: Where the heck is my Profiles?! I'm sure more than few of you have been asking that question lately, and our Profiles editor is very much aware that we've not seen an example of his handiwork for a while. I asked Mike about this a few weeks back, and his explanation (paraphrased) was as follows. Each Profiles magazine is basically wrapped around the feature car of the month. This creates the cover shot, feature article and centerfold. To which he can add the various events and other project articles to complete an edition. He has had a number of prospective feature articles bail on him over the past months, for various reasons, leaving him without a core article to publish the magazine. I've heard all the various complaints about not getting the magazine which our dues are paying for, but the fact is that we, the members, need to be submitting these articles for Mike to print. Feature articles, tech articles, chapter events and drives, etc. Have we lost the pride in our rides to the point that nobody wants to share them with us? So, from that, I'm issuing a challenge to the Chapters. We have 21 recognized POCA Chapters spread around the US. We would nominally be receiving 4 Profiles magazines, one each quarter. I am challenging the Chapters to each nominate a proud member who has recently done something to bring their car back to life, restored, upgraded, etc. that they and the owner would like to share with the rest of us. Nothing better than seeing YOUR CAR in glossy print, and getting some Chapter recognition, especially if the Chapter members lent a hand in the project. Pull together and help them write it and take some pics. I'd like to see at least 4 hand up within the next month, and I'll be glad to help coordinate once we have volunteers. If you like, I can help write the copy. This is YOUR club, and YOUR magazine. We're always trying to find new members, and Profiles is a great marketing tool. Support it, feed it, but please don't give up on it! Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6702 - Release Date: 03/16/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso at poca.com [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 3. mailto:pantdino at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:pantdino at aol.com 9. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 12. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 13. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 23:47:08 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:47:08 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: References: <009701cf4141$8f90e0b0$aeb2a210$@comcast.net>, <5325F018.3080006@asajay.com>, <9C7F73C9B3C149B2BAF5B05AFDF28200@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <012101cf4193$925621f0$b70265d0$@comcast.net> Touch?'! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:45 PM To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? And, actually, the "feature" article does not have to focus on the CAR - it can focus on the owner, or the owners (the history of the car) - remember: "dog bites man" - not newsworthy? "Man bites dog" - is newsworthy! ---BILL Lewis > From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:02:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is my Profiles?!?!?!? > > > I suggest that the "feature" article does not have to ONLY be cars > that have just finished a complete, full, Wilkinson-style restoration. > > There are many cars with an interesting story... > > The (Pseudo-recent) Gumball Rallye car comes to mind... (Maybe this > was already published) > > The Rod Stewart (one of 3-4) Pantera... > > The Tim Horton Pantera (4557 ???) story... > > Kirk Evans did a major repair on a red Pantera GT5-S that was wrecked. > (Perhaps a historical article on each of the vendors, still active, > and long gone. > > Some low-mileage car that went thru the auctions (supporting higher > prices...) > > The highest mileage car known... > > The story of the crash test cars. > > A story about an original owner, still owner (like Dave Rudderow or > Ron Wade). > > Something covering the prototypes that didn't get made, like the > Pompero, etc... > > I could go on but you get the idea. > > And yes I know it is easy to suggest "work" that someone else 'should' > do, I get it ALL the time in regards to managing the registry. > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 06:32:49 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 05:32:49 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some Pantera content - Save TWS petition References: Message-ID: Self explanatory once you click on the link. http://soonerbillz.com/SaveTWS/# Kirby From robpink2012 at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 07:41:39 2014 From: robpink2012 at gmail.com (Robert Pink) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:41:39 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some Pantera content - Save TWS petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please do would be a shame to loose a great race track On Monday, March 17, 2014, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Self explanatory once you click on the link. > > http://soonerbillz.com/SaveTWS/# > > Kirby > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Please do would be a shame to loose a great race track On Monday, March 17, 2014, Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Self explanatory once you click on the link. [2]http://soonerbillz.com/SaveTWS/# Kirby _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. http://soonerbillz.com/SaveTWS/ 3. javascript:; 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lance730 at msn.com Mon Mar 17 08:54:21 2014 From: lance730 at msn.com (Trip Owen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:54:21 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable Message-ID: I need a positive side battery cable, my question are they specific to Pantera's? - and please let me know a source for one. Mine has 2 leads coming off the battery connection. Trip '88 GT5S DC -------------- next part -------------- I need a positive side battery cable, my question are they specific to Pantera's? - and please let me know a source for one. Mine has 2 leads coming off the battery connection. Trip '88 GT5S DC From gaino at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 12:15:49 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:15:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable Message-ID: <11025170.1395072950215.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Trip, Mine in just a short generic cable you can buy at any NAPA store. Bill1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Trip Owen >Sent: Mar 17, 2014 8:54 AM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable > > I need a positive side battery cable, my question are they specific to > Pantera's? - and please let me > know a source for one. Mine has 2 leads coming off the battery > connection. > Trip > '88 GT5S > DC https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From gaino at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 12:18:07 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:18:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable Message-ID: <10129730.1395073087893.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Trip, I'm sorry, I was thinking NEG. The pos wire is much longer to reach the solenoid in the engine bay. Often NaPA can make any length. -----Original Message----- >From: Trip Owen >Sent: Mar 17, 2014 8:54 AM >To: "detomaso at poca.com" >Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable > > I need a positive side battery cable, my question are they specific to > Pantera's? - and please let me > know a source for one. Mine has 2 leads coming off the battery > connection. > Trip > '88 GT5S > DC https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From demongusta at me.com Mon Mar 17 12:42:05 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:42:05 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B97131-84BA-4793-93D9-02B8D5FBD476@me.com> Please let me know when you receive it - axiously awaiting. On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Jack, Alan can be reached at (801) 692-1476. His Amazon site was http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/188-9839992-8285868?qid=1394911223&sr=8-2&pi=SL75. Not sure on the adapter material as I didn't receive it yet. I'll let you know. Mike > From: Jack Donahue > Sent: 3/15/2014 10:23 AM > To: Mike Reilly > Cc: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > I have been tuning in on this debacle because I want to buy one. Now that things seem to be straightened out, can you send the website, and phone number of Alan, so I can make arrangements to buy one. Are the adapters silicone? Metal? > Jack > 4348 > On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > > I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the > > sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: > > After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and > > they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I > > get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters > > for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put > > the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood > > him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a > > couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters > > they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. > > If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the > > adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: [1]Mike Reilly > > Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM > > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > > > Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed > > (v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same > > owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL > > tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an > > order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy > > running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and > > ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually > > making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's > > actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not > > then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it > > would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only > > I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like > > and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the > > background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike > > > > Message: 15 > > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 > > From: Asa Jay Laughton [4]asajay at asajay.com > > To: detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > Message-ID: <53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > So I'm confused now... > > Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA > > name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? > > And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- > > list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to > > actually order them: > > [2][5]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ > > Cod > > e=F&Category_Code=Tefba > > So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > & Shelley Marie > > Spokane, WA > > ****************************** > > [3][6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > [5][8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > > Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great > > conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the > > guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay > > and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did > > warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that > > it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the > > owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and > > deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in > > Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to > > order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are > > the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, > > seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:reillyms at live.com > > 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 3. http://www.tefba.com/ > > 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > > 5. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod > > 6. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > > 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > > 8. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Please let me know when you receive it - axiously awaiting. On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: Jack, Alan can be reached at (801) 692-1476. His Amazon site was [1]http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/188-9839992- 8285868?qid=1394911223&sr=8-2&pi=SL75. Not sure on the adapter material as I didn't receive it yet. I'll let you know. Mike __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue Sent: 3/15/2014 10:23 AM To: Mike Reilly Cc: [2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter I have been tuning in on this debacle because I want to buy one. Now that things seem to be straightened out, can you send the website, and phone number of Alan, so I can make arrangements to buy one. Are the adapters silicone? Metal? Jack 4348 On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > I pinged Alan on this again and it looks like you were right on the > sizes. It's actually 1-1/4 with an adapter. Here's his reply to me: > After we talked, I started thinking & looked at the ones I have and > they did look a lot like the 1 1/4" ones - I called down to the guy I > get them from and he said that I needed to be sure to send the adapters > for them. That there actually are 1 1/4" and that I was suppose to put > the adapters he had sent me on them. I am sorry, I had misunderstood > him. I sent you the adapters priority mail tonite. I have only sold a > couple of these and had forgotten. He told me that with the adapters > they fit 1 3/8" upper radiator hoses. > If for any reason, you are not happy with the Filter and/ or the > adapters - you may return them and I will immediately refund you > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Mike Reilly > Sent: 3/14/2014 12:47 PM > To: [2][3]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > > Asa Jay, sorry for the confusion. The site you listed > ([4]v12performance.com) is the same site as [3]www.tefba.com (or same > owner). I understand the guy running v12performance grabbed the URL > [5]tefba.com for his use. I also found that the site won't accept an > order for the filter (at least on my system). Alan told me the guy > running that site only takes checks and is really slow to respond and > ship to customers and is the reason he tracked down the guy actually > making them. No matter, once I receive the part I'll check if it's > actually 1-3/8. If it is then great and I'll let you all know. If not > then I'll do what everyone else did and make it fit : ) Agree it > would be nice to see a list of all distributors but those are the only > I found with a quick search. I can get you Alan's number if you like > and he'd probably be willing to spend time providing you all the > background on the Tefba business : ) Thanks, Mike > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:03:28 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton [4][6]asajay at asajay.com > To: [7]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter > Message-ID: <[8]53227180.9050800 at asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > So I'm confused now... > Some guy makes them on his own, actually has them molded with the TEFBA > name on them, but they're not actually TEFBA? > And no, I checked twice today and the site [1]www.tefba.com does -not- > list a 1-3/8 size. Neither does the site where it links to in order to > actually order them: > [2][5][9]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Sto re_ > Cod > e=F&Category_Code=Tefba > So it might be nice to see the list of other distributors to compare. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [3][6][10]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [4][7][11]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [5][8][12]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/13/2014 6:11 PM, Mike Reilly wrote: > Just a quick update: I spoke with the seller (Alan) and had a great > conversation. These are 1-3/8a filters that he got directly from the > guy that makes them in Australia. Alan is also selling them on ebay > and told me he will gladly take returns if anyone is not happy. He did > warn me that you'll also find them on a site awww.Tefba.coma but that > it is not the actual manufacturer and his poor experience with the > owner of this site got him search out where these are actually made and > deal directly with the manufacturer. They guy that makes them in > Australia is supposedly an elder gentleman that makes them himself to > order from a small number of distributors. Bottom line is these are > the right hose size and Alan, who is selling them on Amazon and ebay, > seems very straightforward and honest. Thanks, Mike > > References > > 1. [13]mailto:reillyms at live.com > 2. [14]mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 3. [15]http://www.tefba.com/ > 4. [16]mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 5. [17]http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Co d > 6. [18]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 7. [19]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 8. [20]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [21]DeTomaso at poca.com > [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FD1ZVEG/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/188-9839992-8285868?qid=1394911223&sr=8-2&pi=SL75 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. http://v12performance.com/ 5. http://tefba.com/ 6. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:53227180.9050800 at asajay.com 9. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ 10. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 11. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 12. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 13. mailto:reillyms at live.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. http://www.tefba.com/ 16. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 17. http://www.v12performance.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod 18. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 19. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 20. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jjdetrich at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 16:43:33 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:43:33 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:49 PM, wrote: > It has caught and filtered out schmutz and debris from my freshly rebuilt > engines. I got some debris when I first rebuilt the engine but I rarely get anything anymore. Seems like good insurance. BTW, is there a way people can respond to an email without dragging all the attached emails, Forum summary pages, etc.This one is particularly bad. Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:49 PM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote: It has caught and filtered out schmutz and debris from my freshly rebuilt engines. I got some debris when I first rebuilt the engine but I rarely get anything anymore. Seems like good insurance. BTW, is there a way people can respond to an email without dragging all the attached emails, Forum summary pages, etc.This one is particularly bad. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net From SOBill at aol.com Mon Mar 17 17:26:05 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Profiles and Newsletters For Sale Message-ID: <66952.d984d33.4058c26d@aol.com> I have all the POCA Profiles and Newsletters, in pristine condition, from July 1997 to the present for sale: POCA Newsletter 2014 Jan thru Present 2007 thru 2013 Jan thru Dec 2006 Jan thru Nov and final Issue labeled Nov/Dec 2005 Initial issue labeled Jan/Feb then March thru Dec 1998 thru 2004 Jan thru Dec 1997 July thru Dec Total weight is approximately 40 pounds and the stack is approximately 16 inches high. POCA Profiles 2012 1 Issue (delivery of this magazine stopped in 2012) 2011 A single issue was delivered labeled ?2011 Annual? 1998 thru 2010 4 issues for each year 1997 The last 2 issues of 1997 Total weight is approximately 25 pounds and the stack is approximately 9 inches high. Best offer plus actual cost of shipping via USPS Media Mail. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill -------------- next part -------------- I have all the POCA Profiles and Newsletters, in pristine condition, from July 1997 to the present for sale: POCA Newsletter 2014 Jan thru Present 2007 thru 2013 Jan thru Dec 2006 Jan thru Nov and final Issue labeled Nov/Dec 2005 Initial issue labeled Jan/Feb then March thru Dec 1998 thru 2004 Jan thru Dec 1997 July thru Dec Total weight is approximately 40 pounds and the stack is approximately 16 inches high. POCA Profiles 2012 1 Issue (delivery of this magazine stopped in 2012) 2011 A single issue was delivered labeled "2011 Annual" 1998 thru 2010 4 issues for each year 1997 The last 2 issues of 1997 Total weight is approximately 25 pounds and the stack is approximately 9 inches high. Best offer plus actual cost of shipping via USPS Media Mail. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 17:48:14 2014 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video Message-ID: <1395092894.24622.YahooMailNeo@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera -------------- next part -------------- Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds From rob at dumoulins.net Mon Mar 17 18:36:58 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:36:58 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video In-Reply-To: <1395092894.24622.YahooMailNeo@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1395092894.24622.YahooMailNeo@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: > Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, > especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars > became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. > Enjoy! > Garth #4033 > The Banzai Runner Pantera > > References > > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" <[1]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote: Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... [1][2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera References 1. [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 18:43:59 2014 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Responding to Mail List Messages [WAS: Tefba Coolant Filter] Message-ID: <1395096239.29454.YahooMailNeo@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hey Jeff, I don't even have the emails or daily digests delivered any more - too much junk in my inbox to wade through. ?For the last 5-6 years I keep tabs on the mail list by going to the archives and viewing by "date" throughout the day each day. ?The newest posts appear at the end or bottom of the list, so it's really easy to see what's been posted since I last checked, and I only spend time reading the posts that interest me and ignore the rants and political threads that occasionally rear their ugly heads. Mail List Archives link: http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/ To reply to a message, I'll copy the body or the relevant info from the archive page into my email body, and add the same subject (omitting the "[DeTomaso]" that's added to the beginning of each subject line) to my message. Cheers! Garth -------------- next part -------------- Hey Jeff, I don't even have the emails or daily digests delivered any more - too much junk in my inbox to wade through. For the last 5-6 years I keep tabs on the mail list by going to the archives and viewing by "date" throughout the day each day. The newest posts appear at the end or bottom of the list, so it's really easy to see what's been posted since I last checked, and I only spend time reading the posts that interest me and ignore the rants and political threads that occasionally rear their ugly heads. Mail List Archives link: [1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/ To reply to a message, I'll copy the body or the relevant info from the archive page into my email body, and add the same subject (omitting the "[DeTomaso]" that's added to the beginning of each subject line) to my message. Cheers! Garth References 1. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/ From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Mar 17 19:01:34 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Responding to Mail List Messages [WAS: Tefba Coolant Filter] Message-ID: <8D1104BFA6C501C-2920-27688@webmail-va030.sysops.aol.com> Ditto to Garth's method. I set up my email list preferences that way from the beginning. I have never received emails or a daily digest email. Strictly archive. Larry - works for me YMMV -------------- next part -------------- Ditto to Garth's method. I set up my email list preferences that way from the beginning. I have never received emails or a daily digest email. Strictly archive. Larry - works for me YMMV From SOBill at aol.com Mon Mar 17 19:17:38 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Profiles and Newsletters SOLD Message-ID: Like it says: SOLD. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill -------------- next part -------------- Like it says: SOLD. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill From audionut at hushmail.com Mon Mar 17 19:29:21 2014 From: audionut at hushmail.com (audionut at hushmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:29:21 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video In-Reply-To: References: <1395092894.24622.YahooMailNeo@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20140317232921.510D260161@smtp.hushmail.com> Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote:Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: > Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, > especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars > became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. > Enjoy! > Garth #4033 > The Banzai Runner Pantera > > References > > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote: Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: > Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... > [1][1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, > especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars > became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. > Enjoy! > Garth #4033 > The Banzai Runner Pantera > > References > > 1. [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From grayjim at cox.net Mon Mar 17 19:37:17 2014 From: grayjim at cox.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:37:17 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] XO vision XD 103 Message-ID: <36273B57948748D196E0BCE281A71385@AdminPC> Did anyone else buy the cheapo FM receiver/usb port/sd card slot unit that was about $22? I got the thing installed today but it will not turn on. When I push the power-on button nothing happens other than the "Band" button flickers on and off. I have a feeling that the Red Chinese have substituted their own unusual wiring schematic. I watched the video on youtube and all connections appear to be normal USA stuff. I did notice that some dude on a Ford/Mazda forum was having similar problems. Jim Gray From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Mar 17 19:49:17 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:49:17 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video In-Reply-To: <20140317232921.510D260161@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <1395092894.24622.YahooMailNeo@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20140317232921.510D260161@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: I don't get that at all. He came up behind the other Pantera(?) and let the Lambo pass? Why? Doesn't make sense. Maybe he did not know where the Lambo was? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "audionut at hushmail.com" > Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote:Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I don't get that at all. He came up behind the other Pantera(?) and let the Lambo pass? Why? Doesn't make sense. Maybe he did not know where the Lambo was? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]audionut at hushmail.com" <[3]audionut at hushmail.com> Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote:Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... [1][5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera References 1. [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 3. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From shawkins777 at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 20:37:43 2014 From: shawkins777 at comcast.net (shawkins777 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2045564341.592536.1395103063336.JavaMail.root@sz0134a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Or may be he felt sorry for him Steve? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Himes (397C)" To: audionut at hushmail.com, "DeTomaso Mail List" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:49:17 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video I don't get that at all. ?He came up behind the other Pantera(?) and let the Lambo pass? Why? ?Doesn't make sense. ?Maybe he did not know where the Lambo was? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: ? ? (818) 653-8213 Fax: ? ? (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "audionut at hushmail.com" > Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video Sweet. ?Wild race. ?On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" ?wrote:Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: ?? ?Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... ?? ?[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds ?? ?Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, ?? ?especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars ?? ?became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. ?? ?Enjoy! ?? ?Garth #4033 ?? ?The Banzai Runner Pantera References ?? ?1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Or may be he felt sorry for him Steve __________________________________________________________________ From: "Terry Himes (397C)" To: audionut at hushmail.com, "DeTomaso Mail List" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:49:17 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video I don't get that at all. He came up behind the other Pantera(?) and let the Lambo pass? Why? Doesn't make sense. Maybe he did not know where the Lambo was? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "audionut at hushmail.com" > Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote:Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From reillyms at live.com Mon Mar 17 21:58:58 2014 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 01:58:58 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] =?utf-8?q?Tefba_Coolant_Filter?= Message-ID: Hi Jack. The adaptors came today but they end up making the OD of the Tefba inlet and outlet pipes 1-5/8. They are basically pieces of rubber, similar to coolant hose. The ones I got were 1/8 inch thick so they expand the 1-1/4 filter inlet/outlet to 1-5/8 inch?.. and won't work. I plan to return the 1-1/4 filter and the adaptors and have Alan send me a 1-1/2 inch Tefba filter. From there I will just do what some folks have suggested?.. heat up my coolant hoses so they fit over the 1-1/2 in inlet/outlet of the filter body. Sorry for all the mails on this folks?.I thought I had a 1-3/8 inch solution : (. Thanks, Mike From: Jack Donahue Sent: ?Monday?, ?March? ?17?, ?2014 ?9?:?42? ?AM To: Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso at poca.com Please let me know when you receive it - axiously awaiting. -------------- next part -------------- Hi Jack. The adaptors came today but they end up making the OD of the Tefba inlet and outlet pipes 1-5/8. They are basically pieces of rubber, similar to coolant hose. The ones I got were 1/8 inch thick so they expand the 1-1/4 filter inlet/outlet to 1-5/8 incha|.. and won't work. I plan to return the 1-1/4 filter and the adaptors and have Alan send me a 1-1/2 inch Tefba filter. From there I will just do what some folks have suggesteda|.. heat up my coolant hoses so they fit over the 1-1/2 in inlet/outlet of the filter body. Sorry for all the mails on this folksa|.I thought I had a 1-3/8 inch solution : (. Thanks, Mike From: [1]Jack Donahue Sent: aMondaya, aMarcha a17a, a2014 a9a:a42a aAM To: [2]Mike Reilly Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com Please let me know when you receive it - axiously awaiting. References 1. mailto:demongusta at me.com 2. mailto:reillyms at live.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 18 00:34:44 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:34:44 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable In-Reply-To: <10129730.1395073087893.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10129730.1395073087893.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5327CCE4.8050704@asajay.com> Don't forget, standard battery cable won't really do. You really need 0 or 00 welding cable as I recall in order to carry the proper load that distance. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/17/2014 9:18 AM, bill gaino wrote: > Trip, I'm sorry, I was thinking NEG. The pos wire is much longer to reach the solenoid in the engine bay. Often NaPA can make any length. > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Trip Owen >> Sent: Mar 17, 2014 8:54 AM >> To: "detomaso at poca.com" >> Subject: [DeTomaso] ISO - Cable >> >> I need a positive side battery cable, my question are they specific to >> Pantera's? - and please let me >> know a source for one. Mine has 2 leads coming off the battery >> connection. >> Trip >> '88 GT5S >> DC > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts > If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6708 - Release Date: 03/17/14 > > From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 18 00:35:35 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:35:35 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> Message-ID: <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email and just delete it. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/17/2014 1:43 PM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:49 PM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote: > > It has caught and filtered out schmutz and debris from my freshly > rebuilt engines. > > I got some debris when I first rebuilt the engine but I rarely get > anything anymore. Seems like good insurance. > BTW, is there a way people can respond to an email without dragging all > the attached emails, Forum summary pages, etc.This one is particularly > bad. > Jeff > 6559 > > References > > 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6708 - Release Date: 03/17/14 From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 00:38:20 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:38:20 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video In-Reply-To: <2045564341.592536.1395103063336.JavaMail.root@sz0134a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2045564341.592536.1395103063336.JavaMail.root@sz0134a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That was great! seeing the Pantera just walking away on the long straight! and seeing the Contach, Muria and Ferrari datoyna! The Muria and Daytona are in the Million dollar club now! But they haven't gotten any faster! Our Panteras (with a few mods) are now faster and brake better then they did in 78 and there still affordable. Best kept super car secrete out there! Boyd On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:37 PM, wrote: > Or may be he felt sorry for him > > > Steve > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: "Terry Himes (397C)" > To: audionut at hushmail.com, "DeTomaso Mail List" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:49:17 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video > I don't get that at all. He came up behind the other Pantera(?) and > let the Lambo pass? > Why? Doesn't make sense. Maybe he did not know where the Lambo was? > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "audionut at hushmail.com" > > > Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29 PM > To: DeTomaso Mail List > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video > Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! > Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. > Thanks Garth! > Sent using Hushmail > On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote:Nice. Notice the > Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away > on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. > On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" > wrote: > Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your > day... > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, > especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these > cars > became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. > Enjoy! > Garth #4033 > The Banzai Runner Pantera > References > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- That was great! seeing the Pantera just walking away on the long straight! and seeing the Contach, Muria and Ferrari datoyna! The Muria and Daytona are in the Million dollar club now! But they haven't gotten any faster! Our Panteras (with a few mods) are now faster and brake better then they did in 78 and there still affordable. Best kept super car secrete out there! Boyd On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:37 PM, <[1]shawkins777 at comcast.net> wrote: Or may be he felt sorry for him Steve __________________________________________________________________ From: "Terry Himes (397C)" <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> To: [3]audionut at hushmail.com, "DeTomaso Mail List" <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:49:17 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video I don't get that at all. He came up behind the other Pantera(?) and let the Lambo pass? Why? Doesn't make sense. Maybe he did not know where the Lambo was? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [5](818) 393-6261 Cell: [6](818) 653-8213 Fax: [7](818) 393-3147 [8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[10]audionut at hushmail.com" <[12]audionut at hushmail.com> Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List <[14]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera vs Countach Vintage Video Sweet. Wild race. On a wet track! Looked to me like he finally let the guy go by. Thanks Garth! Sent using Hushmail On March 17, 2014 at 3:38 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote:Nice. Notice the Pantera don't need no stinking wipers. Also he walked away on the straights but seemed to get out-braked. On Mar 17, 2014 5:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks" wrote: Slow day on the list, so here's a vintage video to brighten your day... [1][16]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds Love seeing all these cars out there dicing it up on the track, especially the Muira. This was circa 1978, before some of these cars became unobtanium for mere working-class mortals. Enjoy! Garth #4033 The Banzai Runner Pantera References 1. [17]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [21]DeTomaso at poca.com [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [23]DeTomaso at poca.com [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net 2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 6. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 7. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 8. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 11. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 12. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 13. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8okUeyx-Ds 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 18 00:51:23 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:51:23 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for experience with datalogging A/F ratio gauges Message-ID: <5327D0CB.5060305@asajay.com> Hi gang, I'm specifically looking for anyone having experience they can share with regard to datalogging Air/Fuel ratio meters. I am currently looking at two alternatives and would like to hear about others. If you have experience with either of these, or some other model, please let me know. AEM 30-4900 Failsafe Gauge; http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ZAQLF6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XG1XBD24T1KI&coliid=I141TWJE66ONZ7 This gauge comes with the O2 sensor and weld-in bung. It can also take an RPM signal input and datalog the A/F and RPM for up to three hours, then hook to a computer for offloading the data. The other system I'm looking at is by Innovate: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009AP975A/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XG1XBD24T1KI&coliid=ITGCF2BWB5VMV The gauge comes with the O2 sensor and weld-i bung. It is capable of hooking to a computer but it does not have datalogging capability. To get that, I need to add one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorsports-3875-Pocket-Logger/dp/B009QXCYOM/ref=pd_sbs_auto_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=01A93K53JV7N1BM0EWF9 It also does not take in RPM, to get that I need to add one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorsports-3742-Multi-Sensor-Datalogger/dp/B000CO7TW6/ref=sr_sp-btf_title_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1395028751&sr=8-5&keywords=innovate+dl But I don't need to for just the A/F. My -objective- is to measure A/F and datalog it while driving in a variety of gears and rpm levels. To really map it properly I should also map RPM against the A/F. I can probably do that with just the Innovate gauge package and a laptop on the passenger seat; however, datalogging it without the laptop might be nicer. If you have experience, please share. Thank you, Asa Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism From thomas at hax.se Tue Mar 18 05:00:38 2014 From: thomas at hax.se (Thomas Tornblom) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:00:38 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for experience with datalogging A/F ratio gauges In-Reply-To: <5327D0CB.5060305@asajay.com> References: <5327D0CB.5060305@asajay.com> Message-ID: <53280B36.5010004@hax.se> I'm using a WB O2 from http://wbo2.com/ I bought it as a kit many years ago, and got a Bosch LSU sensor, and a LED display that I have attached under the dash with velcro. I have an analog 0-5V output hooked up to the EFI so I can data log it together with anything else from the EFI, but that is optional. It has worked great for many years, and I believe that the kits he has now are updated and improved. Cheers, Thomas 2014-03-18 05:51, Asa Jay Laughton skrev: > Hi gang, > I'm specifically looking for anyone having experience they can share > with regard to datalogging Air/Fuel ratio meters. > > I am currently looking at two alternatives and would like to hear about > others. If you have experience with either of these, or some other > model, please let me know. > > AEM 30-4900 Failsafe Gauge; > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ZAQLF6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XG1XBD24T1KI&coliid=I141TWJE66ONZ7 > > This gauge comes with the O2 sensor and weld-in bung. It can also take > an RPM signal input and datalog the A/F and RPM for up to three hours, > then hook to a computer for offloading the data. > > The other system I'm looking at is by Innovate: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009AP975A/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XG1XBD24T1KI&coliid=ITGCF2BWB5VMV > The gauge comes with the O2 sensor and weld-i bung. It is capable of > hooking to a computer but it does not have datalogging capability. To > get that, I need to add one of these: > http://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorsports-3875-Pocket-Logger/dp/B009QXCYOM/ref=pd_sbs_auto_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=01A93K53JV7N1BM0EWF9 > > It also does not take in RPM, to get that I need to add one of these: > http://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorsports-3742-Multi-Sensor-Datalogger/dp/B000CO7TW6/ref=sr_sp-btf_title_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1395028751&sr=8-5&keywords=innovate+dl > > But I don't need to for just the A/F. My -objective- is to measure A/F > and datalog it while driving in a variety of gears and rpm levels. To > really map it properly I should also map RPM against the A/F. I can > probably do that with just the Innovate gauge package and a laptop on > the passenger seat; however, datalogging it without the laptop might be > nicer. > > If you have experience, please share. > Thank you, > Asa Jay > -- Real life: Thomas T?rnblom Email: thomas at hax.se Snail mail: Banvallsv?gen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Mar 18 09:51:14 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:51:14 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Responding to Mail List Messages [WAS: Tefba CoolantFilter] In-Reply-To: <8D1104BFA6C501C-2920-27688@webmail-va030.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1104BFA6C501C-2920-27688@webmail-va030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <890D820FCD88485594A939D71E33311F@LarryHPPC> And somehow you still read my emails, Larry? Larry (there's a problem) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:02 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Responding to Mail List Messages [WAS: Tefba CoolantFilter] Ditto to Garth's method. I set up my email list preferences that way from the beginning. I have never received emails or a daily digest email. Strictly archive. Larry - works for me YMMV From bjbstewart at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 13:59:20 2014 From: bjbstewart at yahoo.com (Brent Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NorCal Alignment work Message-ID: <1395165560.43598.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> All, Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. ?Based on feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip from San Jose. ?The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. ?I'm very happy with the ride now - made a huge difference. ?If you are in NorCal and need that type of work done, it's worth the trip. In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured quite a few back in the day. ?He then sold that product to someone (Larry Stock?).? Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall behind him! -------------- next part -------------- All, Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. Based on feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip from San Jose. The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. I'm very happy with the ride now - made a huge difference. If you are in NorCal and need that type of work done, it's worth the trip. In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured quite a few back in the day. He then sold that product to someone (Larry Stock?). Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall behind him! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Kraus.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 670777 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jderyke at aol.com Tue Mar 18 14:11:13 2014 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NorCal Alignment work In-Reply-To: <1395165560.43598.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1395165560.43598.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D110EC94C3CAC9-1B5C-1FEFE@webmail-va042.sysops.aol.com> It was indeed Larry Stock who still sells those well developed chassis stiffener kits. And while Roger Kraus is a Goodyear dealer (one of Shelby's first subcontractors), he can get any brand of tires as well as racing skins. -----Original Message----- From: Brent Stewart To: Pantera List Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:00 am Subject: [DeTomaso] NorCal Alignment work All, Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. Based on feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip from San Jose. The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. I'm very happy with the ride now - made a huge difference. If you are in NorCal and need that type of work done, it's worth the trip. In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured quite a few back in the day. He then sold that product to someone (Larry Stock?). Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall behind him! _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- It was indeed Larry Stock who still sells those well developed chassis stiffener kits. And while Roger Kraus is a Goodyear dealer (one of Shelby's first subcontractors), he can get any brand of tires as well as racing skins. -----Original Message----- From: Brent Stewart To: Pantera List Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:00 am Subject: [DeTomaso] NorCal Alignment work All, Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. Based on feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip from San Jose. The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. I'm very happy with the ride now - made a huge difference. If you are in NorCal and need that type of work done, it's worth the trip. In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured quite a few back in the day. He then sold that product to someone (Larry Stock?). Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall behind him! _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 14:19:48 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:19:48 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NorCal Alignment work In-Reply-To: <1395165560.43598.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1395165560.43598.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Roger Kraus Racing is where Tom Upton and myself buy our Avon slicks for the Panteras. I've talked to Roger several times and he and his staff are always cordial, helpful and knowledgeable. Highly recommended from me, too! Never been there though... too far to drive for a set of tires... :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Brent Stewart wrote: > All, > Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. Based on > feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip > from San Jose. The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the > 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. I'm very happy with the > ride now - made a huge difference. If you are in NorCal and need that > type of work done, it's worth the trip. > In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the > originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured > quite a few back in the day. He then sold that product to someone > (Larry Stock?). > Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall > behind him! > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Roger Kraus Racing is where Tom Upton and myself buy our Avon slicks for the Panteras. I've talked to Roger several times and he and his staff are always cordial, helpful and knowledgeable. Highly recommended from me, too! Never been there though... too far to drive for a set of tires... :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Brent Stewart <[1]bjbstewart at yahoo.com> wrote: A A All, A A Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. A Based on A A feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip A A from San Jose. A The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the A A 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. A I'm very happy with the A A ride now - made a huge difference. A If you are in NorCal and need that A A type of work done, it's worth the trip. A A In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the A A originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured A A quite a few back in the day. A He then sold that product to someone A A (Larry Stock?). A A Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall A A behind him! _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From bjbstewart at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 15:51:58 2014 From: bjbstewart at yahoo.com (Brent Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NorCal Alignment work In-Reply-To: References: <1395165560.43598.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1395172318.49031.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Also, I installed the IPSCO Camber lock kit before I went up there. ?He REALLY liked that, he said it made it much easier to dial in the correct camber. ?It was easy to install, took me about an hour to get it all in. ? Highly recommended! http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Frontcamberlock.htm On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:34 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote: Roger Kraus Racing is where Tom Upton and myself buy our Avon slicks for the Panteras. I've talked to Roger several times and he and his staff are always cordial, helpful and knowledgeable. Highly recommended from me, too! Never been there though... too far to drive for a set of tires... :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Brent Stewart wrote: ? ?All, >? ?Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. ?Based on >? ?feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip >? ?from San Jose. ?The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the >? ?4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. ?I'm very happy with the >? ?ride now - made a huge difference. ?If you are in NorCal and need that >? ?type of work done, it's worth the trip. >? ?In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the >? ?originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured >? ?quite a few back in the day. ?He then sold that product to someone >? ?(Larry Stock?). >? ?Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall >? ?behind him! > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Also, I installed the IPSCO Camber lock kit before I went up there. He REALLY liked that, he said it made it much easier to dial in the correct camber. It was easy to install, took me about an hour to get it all in. Highly recommended! http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Frontcamberlock.htm On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:34 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote: Roger Kraus Racing is where Tom Upton and myself buy our Avon slicks for the Panteras. I've talked to Roger several times and he and his staff are always cordial, helpful and knowledgeable. Highly recommended from me, too! Never been there though... too far to drive for a set of tires... :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Brent Stewart <[1]bjbstewart at yahoo.com> wrote: All, Just a quick shout out to Roger Kraus Racing in Hayward, CA. Based on feedback from another Pantera owner, I went there despite the 1hr trip from San Jose. The tech knew exactly what he was doing and did the 4-wheel alignment to me what feels perfectly. I'm very happy with the ride now - made a huge difference. If you are in NorCal and need that type of work done, it's worth the trip. In talking with Roger a bit, he mentioned that he was one of the originators of the Pantera chassis stiffening kits, and manufactured quite a few back in the day. He then sold that product to someone (Larry Stock?). Note the picture of Roger and the Pantera poster hanging on the wall behind him! _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gaino at earthlink.net Tue Mar 18 15:59:53 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:59:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing Message-ID: <26258419.1395172793447.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good day listers, does anybody know where this front spoiler came from? I've seen this car for sale and there is something wrong with the front lower fenders. I have a customer looking for this style front dam. Thanks Bill 1363 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 163781 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shawkins777 at comcast.net Tue Mar 18 16:28:28 2014 From: shawkins777 at comcast.net (shawkins777 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 20:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing In-Reply-To: <26258419.1395172793447.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2079385190.609864.1395174508141.JavaMail.root@sz0134a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Never seen that one before, looks like a custom design to me. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" To: "poca list" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:59:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing Good day listers, does anybody know where this front spoiler came from? I've seen this car for sale and there is something wrong with the front lower fenders. I have a customer looking for this style front dam. Thanks Bill 1363 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts ? If you want it slick. ?www.slickpaint.com ?like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Never seen that one before, looks like a custom design to me. Steve __________________________________________________________________ From: "bill gaino" To: "poca list" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:59:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing Good day listers, does anybody know where this front spoiler came from? I've seen this car for sale and there is something wrong with the front lower fenders. I have a customer looking for this style front dam. Thanks Bill 1363 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre f=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gaino at earthlink.net Tue Mar 18 16:39:45 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:39:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing Message-ID: <17971381.1395175185937.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Maybe this is it? http://www.kreativekustoms.info/Pantera/73pantera(white&red)-1.jpg -----Original Message----- >From: shawkins777 at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 18, 2014 4:28 PM >To: >Cc: poca list >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing > > Never seen that one before, looks like a custom design to me. > > > Steve > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: "bill gaino" > To: "poca list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:59:53 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing > Good day listers, does anybody know where this front spoiler came from? > I've seen this car for sale and there is something wrong with the front > lower fenders. I have a customer looking for this style front dam. > Thanks Bill 1363 > https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre > f=ts > If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 17:04:57 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:04:57 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Air dam sourcing In-Reply-To: <26258419.1395172793447.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26258419.1395172793447.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bill, This looks like the "Gran Torismo". On the registry site under Air Dams & Spoilers are LOTS of good photos: http://www.provamo.com/Members/TechInfo/AirDamSpoiler.asp Need more examples from the registry? Chuck Good day listers, does anybody know where this front spoiler came from? I've seen this car for sale and there is something wrong with the front lower fenders. I have a customer looking for this style front dam. Thanks Bill 1363 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 17:30:37 2014 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (scott black) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account is connected to my work email, sblack at tprm.com. You can send an invitation there if you like.? Thanks, Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com -------------- next part -------------- I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account is connected to my work email, sblack at tprm.com. You can send an invitation there if you like. Thanks, Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com From kenn_green at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 18:08:45 2014 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1395180525.52069.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations to the everyone.? If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites go out to everyone. Ken ________________________________ From: scott black To: DeTomaso Mail List Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC ? I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account ? to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account ? is connected to my work email, sblack at tprm.com. You can send an ? invitation there if you like. ? Thanks, ? Scott Black ? TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing ? Marketing Acceleration ? www.tprm-usa.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites go out to everyone. Ken From: scott black To: DeTomaso Mail List Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account is connected to my work email, [1]sblack at tprm.com. You can send an invitation there if you like. Thanks, Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:sblack at tprm.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 18 19:02:58 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 23:02:58 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <1395180525.52069.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395180525.52069.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nope. LinkedIn (and others) do not have access to your personal email lists. But once you sign up for a LinkedIN account and you start putting in information, like all the Companies you have worked for, Schools, Awards, Degrees, etc, etc. they mine that and find everyone in their database that matches. They use those matches to try to connect you with anyone and everyone that you may know or have connections with. Good and Bad. I like to stay in contact with people I have lost connections with long ago. Yea! But I also get requests to connect with anyone who knows how to spell NASA in the LinkedIn account. Boo! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Ken Green > Reply-To: Ken Green > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:08 PM To: scott black >, DeTomaso Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites go out to everyone. Ken ________________________________ From: scott black > To: DeTomaso Mail List > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account is connected to my work email, sblack at tprm.com. You can send an invitation there if you like. Thanks, Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Nope. LinkedIn (and others) do not have access to your personal email lists. But once you sign up for a LinkedIN account and you start putting in information, like all the Companies you have worked for, Schools, Awards, Degrees, etc, etc. they mine that and find everyone in their database that matches. They use those matches to try to connect you with anyone and everyone that you may know or have connections with. Good and Bad. I like to stay in contact with people I have lost connections with long ago. Yea! But I also get requests to connect with anyone who knows how to spell NASA in the LinkedIn account. Boo! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com> Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:08 PM To: scott black <[4]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites go out to everyone. Ken ________________________________ From: scott black <[6]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account is connected to my work email, [8]sblack at tprm.com. You can send an invitation there if you like. Thanks, Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 4. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:sblack at tprm.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Tue Mar 18 19:49:05 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Message-ID: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 20:23:27 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:23:27 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: References: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1395180525.52069.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D741DDB6C44458EA2631EC8B69F3917@BOSS3A> I created the most vague and basic account at LinkedIn, and used a throw-away account (when they were 'new'.) Now I am sent numerous messages a day from these Bozos. They eventually started sending their spam to some of my "De Tomaso Related" e-mail addresses, like the one for (only) this list. Also the other addresses that are only used for the registry website are or were sent their crap. Well until I added an e-mail filter to send their spam to the trash at my ISPs level. I almost never see it now. I'd be sorely temped to just forward every message to the office of the LinkedIn president, or their Technology Director, but I'm sure they are smart enough to re-direct their return messages into their OWN spam folder - grin. I have NEVER replied to anything from them, never will. So they are mining someone (or many someone's on this forum) and other sources. If anyone here ever wants/needs to connect with me, you already know how. Don't waste your time with LinkedIn. I suspect that the Company market value is tied to the size of their SPAM list. LinkedIn, the >real< founding member of Chuck's Shit List! Chuck Nope. LinkedIn (and others) do not have access to your personal email lists. But once you sign up for a LinkedIN account and you start putting in information, like all the Companies you have worked for, Schools, Awards, Degrees, etc, etc. they mine that and find everyone in their database that matches. They use those matches to try to connect you with anyone and everyone that you may know or have connections with. Good and Bad. I like to stay in contact with people I have lost connections with long ago. Yea! But I also get requests to connect with anyone who knows how to spell NASA in the LinkedIn account. Boo! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Ken Green > Reply-To: Ken Green > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:08 PM To: scott black >, DeTomaso Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites go out to everyone. Ken ________________________________ From: scott black > To: DeTomaso Mail List > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email account to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in account is connected to my work email, sblack at tprm.com. You can send an invitation there if you like. Thanks, Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 18 21:27:17 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:27:17 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: References: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395180525.52069.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5328F275.7060009@asajay.com> Actually, I've had LinkedIn ask me for access to all my email accounts (google+, AOL, MSN, etc.), in addition to facebook and other social media outlets, but I continually refuse. It keeps looking more and more like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. I typically only keep professional contacts via LinkedIn, which is why many who have asked me to link have been refused. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/18/2014 4:02 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > Nope. LinkedIn (and others) do not have access to your personal email > lists. But once you sign up for a LinkedIN account > and you start putting in information, like all the Companies you have > worked for, Schools, Awards, Degrees, etc, etc. they mine > that and find everyone in their database that matches. They use those > matches to try to connect you with anyone and everyone > that you may know or have connections with. > Good and Bad. I like to stay in contact with people I have lost > connections with long ago. Yea! But I also get requests to connect > with > anyone who knows how to spell NASA in the LinkedIn account. Boo! > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > From: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com> > Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:08 PM > To: scott black <[4]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List > <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC > > I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep > trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations > to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites > go out to everyone. > Ken > ________________________________ > From: scott black <[6]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> > To: DeTomaso Mail List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC > > I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email > account > to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in > account > is connected to my work email, [8]sblack at tprm.com. You can send an > invitation there if you like. > Thanks, > Scott Black > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing > Marketing Acceleration > www.tprm-usa.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com > 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com > 4. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 6. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 8. mailto:sblack at tprm.com > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6708 - Release Date: 03/17/14 From will.kooiman at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 23:22:32 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 23:22:32 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I had someone fill in the radio cutout in my console. They used fiberglass resin, and I'm sure there's some fiberglass matting in there too. It looks like it was done at the factory. They did a fantastic job. But the dash is plastic. I would fill the cracks with JB Weld. Yes, I know, JB Weld is the redneck glue of choice, but in this case, it should work very well. On 3/18/14 7:49 PM, "Mike Thomas" wrote: >What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to >fill >the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade >it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some >ideas, >but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge >before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black >vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much >unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > >Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. >Mike Thomas >VP, POCA >VP, Panteras Northwest >Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From davidabell at att.net Wed Mar 19 00:06:56 2014 From: davidabell at att.net (MDBell) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 23:06:56 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00b601cf4328$ac0252e0$0406f8a0$@att.net> No, being of the bubba persuasion myself, I'm positive the redneck glue of choice is duct tape, not JB Weld. And have I mentioned before that Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal residue, left to dry in the bowl after being doused in milk, makes the most awesome epoxy ever invented. You literally have to break the bowl to get it loose. I'm pretty sure Cinnamon Toast Crunch epoxy would seal up a cracked dash. Available at your local Kroger. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:23 PM To: Mike Thomas; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had someone fill in the radio cutout in my console. They used fiberglass resin, and I'm sure there's some fiberglass matting in there too. It looks like it was done at the factory. They did a fantastic job. But the dash is plastic. I would fill the cracks with JB Weld. Yes, I know, JB Weld is the redneck glue of choice, but in this case, it should work very well. On 3/18/14 7:49 PM, "Mike Thomas" wrote: >What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to >fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or >otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm >using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to tap >this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". He >will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, >even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the >first time if we can. > >Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. >Mike Thomas >VP, POCA >VP, Panteras Northwest >Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 00:25:29 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:25:29 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <00b601cf4328$ac0252e0$0406f8a0$@att.net> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> <00b601cf4328$ac0252e0$0406f8a0$@att.net> Message-ID: <001301cf432b$43109a50$c931cef0$@comcast.net> Heck, that won do nuttin but make me hongray on a warm day wen that dash starts ta smellin like breakfast . . . -----Original Message----- From: MDBell [mailto:davidabell at att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:07 PM To: 'Will Kooiman'; 'Mike Thomas'; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash No, being of the bubba persuasion myself, I'm positive the redneck glue of choice is duct tape, not JB Weld. And have I mentioned before that Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal residue, left to dry in the bowl after being doused in milk, makes the most awesome epoxy ever invented. You literally have to break the bowl to get it loose. I'm pretty sure Cinnamon Toast Crunch epoxy would seal up a cracked dash. Available at your local Kroger. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:23 PM To: Mike Thomas; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had someone fill in the radio cutout in my console. They used fiberglass resin, and I'm sure there's some fiberglass matting in there too. It looks like it was done at the factory. They did a fantastic job. But the dash is plastic. I would fill the cracks with JB Weld. Yes, I know, JB Weld is the redneck glue of choice, but in this case, it should work very well. On 3/18/14 7:49 PM, "Mike Thomas" wrote: >What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to >fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or >otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm >using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to tap >this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". He >will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, >even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the >first time if we can. > >Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. >Mike Thomas >VP, POCA >VP, Panteras Northwest >Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jgkrenton at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 00:28:07 2014 From: jgkrenton at comcast.net (jgkrenton at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <306821484.623637.1395203287169.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike: ? I'm not sure what sort of plastic the dash is made from, I think it's a PVC type plastic.? Someone may know exactly what type it is. ? Most plastics can be welded..? Epoxies don't typically adhere properly.? I was actually digging into this for another project, so here's some data for you to peruse. As usual, your experience may?vary...? Considerably...? Good luck. ? ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_welding ? http://www.eastwood.com/steinel-heat-gun-how-to-plastic-weld-plastic-welding-tool ? http://www.harborfreight.com/plastic-welding-kit-with-adjustable-temperature-96464.html ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvV9a3lEe2g Jeff/2467 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Thomas" To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:49:05 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? ?The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". ?He will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. ?I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Mike: I'm not sure what sort of plastic the dash is made from, I think it's a PVC type plastic. Someone may know exactly what type it is. Most plastics can be welded.. Epoxies don't typically adhere properly. I was actually digging into this for another project, so here's some data for you to peruse. As usual, your experience may vary... Considerably... Good luck. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_welding [2]http://www.eastwood.com/steinel-heat-gun-how-to-plastic-weld-plastic -welding-tool [3]http://www.harborfreight.com/plastic-welding-kit-with-adjustable-tem perature-96464.html [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvV9a3lEe2g Jeff/2467 __________________________________________________________________ From: "Mike Thomas" To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:49:05 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_welding 2. http://www.eastwood.com/steinel-heat-gun-how-to-plastic-weld-plastic-welding-tool 3. http://www.harborfreight.com/plastic-welding-kit-with-adjustable-temperature-96464.html 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvV9a3lEe2g From boyd411 at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 00:38:08 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 00:38:08 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <5328F275.7060009@asajay.com> References: <1395152079.8781.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395178237.34319.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1395180525.52069.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5328F275.7060009@asajay.com> Message-ID: I apologize for any Linkedin invitations that may have come from me. I clicked on a link and next thing I new I was getting a slew of acceptances and refusals most from names that were only vaguely familiar and with whom I have no professional interests in common. It appears to me that they did access my address book. (It may be my fault because I clicked on a link and wasn't really paying attention) So if anyone else has received a request from me please disregard it! Thanks and sorry for any inconvenience. Boyd ( Hugh Boyd Casey) On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > Actually, I've had LinkedIn ask me for access to all my email accounts > (google+, AOL, MSN, etc.), in addition to facebook and other social > media outlets, but I continually refuse. It keeps looking more and more > like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. > > I typically only keep professional contacts via LinkedIn, which is why > many who have asked me to link have been refused. > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/18/2014 4:02 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > > Nope. LinkedIn (and others) do not have access to your personal email > > lists. But once you sign up for a LinkedIN account > > and you start putting in information, like all the Companies you have > > worked for, Schools, Awards, Degrees, etc, etc. they mine > > that and find everyone in their database that matches. They use those > > matches to try to connect you with anyone and everyone > > that you may know or have connections with. > > Good and Bad. I like to stay in contact with people I have lost > > connections with long ago. Yea! But I also get requests to connect > > with > > anyone who knows how to spell NASA in the LinkedIn account. Boo! > > > > Terry W. Himes > > > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > > > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > > From: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com> > > Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:08 PM > > To: scott black <[4]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List > > <[5]detomaso at poca.com> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC > > > > I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep > > trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations > > to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the > invites > > go out to everyone. > > Ken > > ________________________________ > > From: scott black <[6]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> > > To: DeTomaso Mail List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM > > Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC > > > > I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email > > account > > to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in > > account > > is connected to my work email, [8]sblack at tprm.com. You can send an > > invitation there if you like. > > Thanks, > > Scott Black > > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing > > Marketing Acceleration > > www.tprm-usa.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > 2. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com > > 3. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com > > 4. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com > > 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 6. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com > > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 8. mailto:sblack at tprm.com > > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6708 - Release Date: 03/17/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- I apologize for any Linkedin invitations that may have come from me. I clicked on a link and next thing I new I was getting a slew of acceptances and refusals most from names that were only vaguely familiar and with whom I have no professional interests in common. It appears to me that they did access my address book. (It may be my fault because I clicked on a link and wasn't really paying attention) So if anyone else has received a request from me please disregard it! Thanks and sorry for any inconvenience. Boyd ( Hugh Boyd Casey) On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: Actually, I've had LinkedIn ask me for access to all my email accounts (google+, AOL, MSN, etc.), in addition to facebook and other social media outlets, but I continually refuse. It keeps looking more and more like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. I typically only keep professional contacts via LinkedIn, which is why many who have asked me to link have been refused. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/18/2014 4:02 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > Nope. LinkedIn (and others) do not have access to your personal email > lists. But once you sign up for a LinkedIN account > and you start putting in information, like all the Companies you have > worked for, Schools, Awards, Degrees, etc, etc. they mine > that and find everyone in their database that matches. They use those > matches to try to connect you with anyone and everyone > that you may know or have connections with. > Good and Bad. I like to stay in contact with people I have lost > connections with long ago. Yea! But I also get requests to connect > with > anyone who knows how to spell NASA in the LinkedIn account. Boo! > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: [5](818) 393-6261 > > Cell: [6](818) 653-8213 > > Fax: [7](818) 393-3147 > > [1][8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > From: Ken Green <[2][9]kenn_green at yahoo.com> > Reply-To: Ken Green <[3][10]kenn_green at yahoo.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:08 PM > To: scott black <[4][11]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List > <[5][12]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC > > I think the problem is that LinkedIn (and similar enterprises) keep > trying to get into your address book so they can send out invitations > to the everyone. If you are careless and just say OK once, the invites > go out to everyone. > Ken > ________________________________ > From: scott black <[6][13]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> > To: DeTomaso Mail List <[7][14]detomaso at poca.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:30 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC > > I sometimes get requests from fellow listers through this email > account > to connect in LinkedIn. I am happy to do that, but my linked in > account > is connected to my work email, [8][15]sblack at tprm.com. You can send an > invitation there if you like. > Thanks, > Scott Black > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing > Marketing Acceleration > [16]www.tprm-usa.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [9][17]DeTomaso at poca.com > [10][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:[19]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:[20]kenn_green at yahoo.com > 3. mailto:[21]kenn_green at yahoo.com > 4. mailto:[22]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com > 5. mailto:[23]detomaso at poca.com > 6. mailto:[24]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com > 7. mailto:[25]detomaso at poca.com > 8. mailto:[26]sblack at tprm.com > 9. mailto:[27]DeTomaso at poca.com > 10. [28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [29]DeTomaso at poca.com > [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [31]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6708 - Release Date: 03/17/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [32]DeTomaso at poca.com [33]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 2. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 4. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 5. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 6. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 7. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 8. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 9. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 10. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 11. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:sblack at tprm.com 16. http://www.tprm-usa.com/ 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 20. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 21. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 22. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 24. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com 25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 26. mailto:sblack at tprm.com 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 31. http://www.avg.com/ 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Mar 19 00:40:21 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tecnosound at hotmail.com Wed Mar 19 01:05:39 2014 From: tecnosound at hotmail.com (James coyne) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net>, Message-ID: You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Wed Mar 19 06:29:51 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 06:29:51 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Why not a combination of all of these? Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up the structure. Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. Michael Shortt On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" wrote: > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > > From: julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the > specialist > kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like > the ori > ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still > visible as > a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the > dash > the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the > filled > edge. > > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or > leatherett > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > > Julian > > > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to > fill > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise > abrade > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some > ideas, > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > Mike Thomas > > VP, POCA > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Why not a combination of all of these? Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up the structure. Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. Michael Shortt On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" <[1]tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote: You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. From: [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com To: [3]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: [5]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [6]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [1][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 06:40:55 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 06:40:55 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Aren't both dashes covered? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. That's why I suggested JB Weld. It has been a while since I saw a later dash. JB Weld is sandable, it is pretty easy to use, strong, and plastic-like. But if your dash is not covered, it would be difficult to reproduce a grain or perfectly smooth surface with JB Weld. You need to do something like MS suggests. Epoxy for strength, and something softer for the surface. On 3/19/14 6:29 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Why not a combination of all of these? > Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up > the structure. > Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a > little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover > the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. > Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. > > Michael Shortt > > On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" <[1]tecnosound at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if > they > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > From: [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: [3]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the > specialist > kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything > like the ori > ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still > visible as > a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got > to the dash > the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked > along the filled > edge. > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather > (or leatherett > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > Julian > > From: [5]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: [6]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be > used to fill > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or > otherwise abrade > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has > some ideas, > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of > knowledge > > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a > black > > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty > much > > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > Mike Thomas > > VP, POCA > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [1][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [12]DeTomaso at poca.com > [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rob at dumoulins.net Wed Mar 19 09:47:13 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 09:47:13 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I pulled my two-pod dash and recovered it a few years back. One thing I wish I paid more attention to was the warping around the defrost vent where the dash sagged down. No cracks like was mentioned, but now that it is all together I see the dip in the dash that I wish I would have filled or formed back up prior to recover. Food for thought while you are at it. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > Aren't both dashes covered? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. > That's why I suggested JB Weld. It has been a while since I saw a later > dash. > > JB Weld is sandable, it is pretty easy to use, strong, and plastic-like. > > But if your dash is not covered, it would be difficult to reproduce a > grain or perfectly smooth surface with JB Weld. You need to do something > like MS suggests. Epoxy for strength, and something softer for the > surface. > > > On 3/19/14 6:29 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" > wrote: > > > Why not a combination of all of these? > > Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up > > the structure. > > Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a > > little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover > > the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. > > Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. > > > > Michael Shortt > > > > On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" <[1]tecnosound at hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if > > they > > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > > From: [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com > > To: [3]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the > > specialist > > kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything > > like the ori > > ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still > > visible as > > a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got > > to the dash > > the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked > > along the filled > > edge. > > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather > > (or leatherett > > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > > Julian > > > From: [5]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > > To: [6]detomaso at poca.com > > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be > > used to fill > > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or > > otherwise abrade > > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has > > some ideas, > > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of > > knowledge > > > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a > > black > > > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty > > much > > > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > > Mike Thomas > > > VP, POCA > > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > > > [1][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [12]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > >References > > > > 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com > > 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > > 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 5. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >DeTomaso at poca.com > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- I pulled my two-pod dash and recovered it a few years back. One thing I wish I paid more attention to was the warping around the defrost vent where the dash sagged down. No cracks like was mentioned, but now that it is all together I see the dip in the dash that I wish I would have filled or formed back up prior to recover. Food for thought while you are at it. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob at dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Will Kooiman <[4]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote: Aren't both dashes covered? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. That's why I suggested JB Weld. It has been a while since I saw a later dash. JB Weld is sandable, it is pretty easy to use, strong, and plastic-like. But if your dash is not covered, it would be difficult to reproduce a grain or perfectly smooth surface with JB Weld. You need to do something like MS suggests. Epoxy for strength, and something softer for the surface. On 3/19/14 6:29 AM, "[5]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[6]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Why not a combination of all of these? > Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up > the structure. > Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a > little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover > the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. > Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. > > Michael Shortt > > On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" <[1][7]tecnosound at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if > they > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > From: [2][8]julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: [3][9]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4][10]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the > specialist > kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything > like the ori > ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still > visible as > a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got > to the dash > the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked > along the filled > edge. > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather > (or leatherett > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > Julian > > From: [5][11]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: [6][12]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be > used to fill > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or > otherwise abrade > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has > some ideas, > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of > knowledge > > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a > black > > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty > much > > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > Mike Thomas > > VP, POCA > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [7][13]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [1][8][14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9][15]DeTomaso at poca.com > [10][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [11][17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [12][18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [13][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:[20]tecnosound at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:[21]julian_kift at hotmail.com > 3. mailto:[22]mbefthomas at comcast.net > 4. mailto:[23]detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:[24]mbefthomas at comcast.net > 6. mailto:[25]detomaso at poca.com > 7. mailto:[26]DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. [27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 9. mailto:[28]DeTomaso at poca.com > 10. [29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 11. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. mailto:[31]DeTomaso at poca.com > 13. [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >[33]DeTomaso at poca.com >[34]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [35]DeTomaso at poca.com [36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 7. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com 8. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 9. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com 21. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 22. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 24. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 33. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 34. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From chrisvkimball at msn.com Wed Mar 19 10:39:57 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 07:39:57 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: NPC: email list still screwed up--sorry (again!) In-Reply-To: References: <20140319063811.6d536a90eb7e22eb2b4a3647a8f9362d.81725f48ac.wbe@email02.secureserver.net>, Message-ID: Dave, Thanks for letting me know. I have no idea why this is happening; there were a total of only 60, specific email addresses to which this was sent. We double and triple checked it. It has something to do with a new database we're using, but I have no idea what's going on. It's really frustrating. Time to pay $100 per hour for some 23-year-old computer tech kid to come to the office and figure out what's going on. 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It's just a glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. Julian From: tecnosound at hotmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. Julian From: tecnosound at hotmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer via ble solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From grayjim at att.net Wed Mar 19 10:53:55 2014 From: grayjim at att.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 07:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net>, , , Message-ID: <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The "Just Dashes" website says they redo Pantera dashes.? Have no idea about their quality. ? YMMV JIm Gray From: Julian Kift To: James coyne ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the ? Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a ? glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge ? panel area. ? Julian ? From: tecnosound at hotmail.com ? To: detomaso at poca.com ? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer via ble solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering?? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something".? He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding.? I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed ? by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com ? http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References ? 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- The "Just Dashes" website says they redo Pantera dashes. Have no idea about their quality. YMMV JIm Gray From: Julian Kift To: James coyne ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. Julian From: [1]tecnosound at hotmail.com To: [2]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer via ble solutions for Pantera owners. From: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com To: [4]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [5]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: [6]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [7]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [2][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 2. [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 4. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jjdetrich at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:28:39 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:28:39 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: http://www.coolchem.com/thestore/index.cfm?CFID=363251662&CFTOKEN=97402399 Eastwood has a product for repairing old steering wheels. Jeff 6559 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some > ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- [1]http://www.coolchem.com/thestore/index.cfm?CFID=363251662&CFTOKEN=97 402399 Eastwood has a product for repairing old steering wheels. Jeff 6559 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Mike Thomas <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.coolchem.com/thestore/index.cfm?CFID=363251662&CFTOKEN=97402399 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jjdetrich at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:37:30 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:37:30 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email > and just delete it. > Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, especially for people who use the daily summary. Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email and just delete it. Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, especially for people who use the daily summary. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com From mghibli7 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:46:19 2014 From: mghibli7 at hotmail.com (E B) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:46:19 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had two dashes done for Alfa Romeo GTV's, the last one was on my 1971 1750 and it was a complete redo, just Dashes" did an excellent job, I highly recommend them. Regards, Emiliano Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Jim Gray wrote: The "Just Dashes" website says they redo Pantera dashes. Have no idea about their quality. YMMV JIm Gray From: Julian Kift To: James coyne ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. Julian From: [1]tecnosound at hotmail.com To: [2]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer via ble solutions for Pantera owners. From: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com To: [4]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [5]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: [6]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [7]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [2][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 2. [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 4. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From gaino at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 16:16:10 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:16:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Message-ID: <9279010.1395260171363.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Furor 142 is a 2 part plastic repair material we in the body shop business use for plastic bumper repair. If I'm not mistaken, my early dash is molded fiberglass. Bill 1362. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X74c_sqnbi8 -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Dumoulin >Sent: Mar 19, 2014 9:47 AM >To: Will Kooiman >Cc: "michael at michaelshortt.com" , DeTomaso Mail List >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > I pulled my two-pod dash and recovered it a few years back. One thing I > wish I paid more attention to was the warping around the defrost vent > where the dash sagged down. No cracks like was mentioned, but now that > it is all together I see the dip in the dash that I wish I would have > filled or formed back up prior to recover. > Food for thought while you are at it. > > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > [1]rob at dumoulins.net > [2]www.kbsi.co > [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Will Kooiman > <[4]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote: > > Aren't both dashes covered? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. > That's why I suggested JB Weld. It has been a while since I saw a > later > dash. > JB Weld is sandable, it is pretty easy to use, strong, and > plastic-like. > But if your dash is not covered, it would be difficult to reproduce > a > grain or perfectly smooth surface with JB Weld. You need to do > something > like MS suggests. Epoxy for strength, and something softer for the > surface. > On 3/19/14 6:29 AM, "[5]michael at michaelshortt.com" > <[6]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > > Why not a combination of all of these? > > Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and > stiffen up > > the structure. > > Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush > on a > > little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to > recover > > the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. > > Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. > > > > Michael Shortt > > > > On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" > <[1][7]tecnosound at hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and > see if > > they > > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > > From: [2][8]julian_kift at hotmail.com > > To: [3][9]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4][10]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one > of the > > specialist > > kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce > anything > > like the ori > > ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was > still > > visible as > > a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the > sun got > > to the dash > > the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it > cracked > > along the filled > > edge. > > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with > leather > > (or leatherett > > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > > Julian > > > From: [5][11]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > > To: [6][12]detomaso at poca.com > > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can > be > > used to fill > > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or > > otherwise abrade > > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using > has > > some ideas, > > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool > of > > knowledge > > > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering > with a > > black > > > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is > pretty > > much > > > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > > Mike Thomas > > > VP, POCA > > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > [7][13]DeTomaso at poca.com > > > [1][8][14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso > Forum > > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9][15]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [10][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. > [11][17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [12][18]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [13][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > >References > > > > 1. mailto:[20]tecnosound at hotmail.com > > 2. mailto:[21]julian_kift at hotmail.com > > 3. mailto:[22]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > 4. mailto:[23]detomaso at poca.com > > 5. mailto:[24]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > 6. mailto:[25]detomaso at poca.com > > 7. mailto:[26]DeTomaso at poca.com > > 8. 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[32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >[33]DeTomaso at poca.com > >[34]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [35]DeTomaso at poca.com > [36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ > 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > 4. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com > 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 7. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com > 8. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 9. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 11. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 20. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com > 21. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 22. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 24. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 33. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 34. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 18:04:18 2014 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net>, , , <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1395266658.8593.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I had "Just Dashes" recover the dash of a '70 LTD and 70 Torino back in about '82. I was pleased with their work. ? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) ________________________________ From: Jim Gray To: Julian Kift ; James coyne ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? The "Just Dashes" website says they redo Pantera dashes.? Have no idea ? about their quality. ? YMMV ? JIm Gray ? From: Julian Kift ? To: James coyne ; De Tomaso List ? ? Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:45 AM ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? ? Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the ? ? Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just ? a ? ? glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng ? gauge ? ? panel area. ? ? Julian ? ? From: [1]tecnosound at hotmail.com ? ? To: [2]detomaso at poca.com ? ? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they ? offer via ? ble solutions for Pantera owners. ? From: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com ? To: [4]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [5]detomaso at poca.com ? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the ? specialist ? kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything ? like the ori ? ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still ? visible as ? a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to ? the dash ? the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along ? the filled ? edge. ? I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or ? leatherett ? e) with French seams and it will look awesome. ? Julian ? > From: [6]mbefthomas at comcast.net ? > To: [7]detomaso at poca.com ? > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 ? > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? > ? > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used ? to fill ? > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise ? abrade ? > it smooth prior to recovering?? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ? ideas, ? > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of ? knowledge ? > before he starts "trying something".? He will be covering with a ? black ? > vinyl, no padding.? I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty ? much ? > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. ? > ? > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. ? > Mike Thomas ? > VP, POCA ? > VP, Panteras Northwest ? > Yellow '74 #6328 ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > _______________________________________________ ? > ? > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? > ? > DeTomaso mailing list ? > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com ? > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? DeTomaso mailing list ? [9]DeTomaso at poca.com ? [2][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? ? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum ? Managed ? ? by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com ? ? [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? References ? ? 1. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? ? 2. 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[16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References ? 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com ? 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com ? 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com ? 4. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net ? 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com ? 6. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net ? 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com ? 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com ? 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I had "Just Dashes" recover the dash of a '70 LTD and 70 Torino back in about '82. I was pleased with their work. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Jim Gray To: Julian Kift ; James coyne ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash The "Just Dashes" website says they redo Pantera dashes. Have no idea about their quality. YMMV JIm Gray From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> To: James coyne <[2]tecnosound at hotmail.com>; De Tomaso List <[3]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. Julian From: [1][4]tecnosound at hotmail.com To: [2][5]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer via ble solutions for Pantera owners. From: [3][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com To: [4][7]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [5][8]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: [6][9]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [7][10]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8][11]DeTomaso at poca.com > [1][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9][13]DeTomaso at poca.com [2][10][14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11][15]DeTomaso at poca.com [12][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [13][17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 2. 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That was Dick Gulstrand's company, I believe? I still have some original sales brochures from back in the day. I think Hall purchased all his inventory, molds etc. but can't remember if Hall ever sold his spoiler? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/18/14 14 06 12, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes: This looks like the "Gran Torismo". >>>Yes, Gran Turismo. That was Dick Gulstrand's company, I believe? I still have some original sales brochures from back in the day. I think Hall purchased all his inventory, molds etc. but can't remember if Hall ever sold his spoiler? Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 19 19:47:34 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Message-ID: <50974.60351d4d.405b8696@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/14 4 05 52, will.kooiman at gmail.com writes: > Aren't both dashes covered?? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. > That's why I suggested JB Weld.? It has been a while since I saw a later > dash. > >>>The later dashes are steel, covered in a hard plastic/foam material. I would suspect they are miserable to repair...:<( Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/19/14 4 05 52, will.kooiman at gmail.com writes: Aren't both dashes covered? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. That's why I suggested JB Weld. It has been a while since I saw a later dash. >>>The later dashes are steel, covered in a hard plastic/foam material. I would suspect they are miserable to repair...:<( Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 19 19:47:39 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Message-ID: <5097e.65757f5e.405b869b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/14 7 46 35, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes: > Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the Pantera, > I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a glue on dash > overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. > >>>Hall Pantera: http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc& item=54075 Worth a shot? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/19/14 7 46 35, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes: Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. >>>Hall Pantera: http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&ite m=54075 Worth a shot? Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 19 19:47:41 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC Message-ID: <50984.5ed46386.405b869d@aol.com> In a message dated 3/18/14 18 28 32, asajay at asajay.com writes: > It keeps looking more and more > like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. > >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last time I tried. I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets through.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/18/14 18 28 32, asajay at asajay.com writes: It keeps looking more and more like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last time I tried. I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets through.... Mike From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 19:56:38 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:56:38 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009401cf43ce$de850fe0$9b8f2fa0$@comcast.net> Thanks Julian. I am going to have it recovered, but we wanted to fill the cracks first, and sand down the edges where the dash has risen on either side of the crack. Mike From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:40 PM To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Thanks Julian. I am going to have it recovered, but we wanted to fill the cracks first, and sand down the edges where the dash has risen on either side of the crack. Mike From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:40 PM To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: [1]mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 19:58:06 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:58:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net>, Message-ID: <009f01cf43cf$130e4fb0$392aef10$@comcast.net> Yeah, they'll be happy to recover the whole thing for about $1500. My upholstery guy is doing it for $325 plus materials. Mike -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of James coyne Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:06 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the original wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherette) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to > fill the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or > otherwise abrade it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy > I'm using has some ideas, but we thought it would be a good idea to > tap this vast pool of knowledge before he starts "trying something". > He will be covering with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the > dash, even as it is, is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 19:59:38 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:59:38 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a001cf43cf$49c91580$dd5b4080$@comcast.net> So long as that could all be done without a bulge underneath the fresh cover. Mike -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:30 AM To: J coyne Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Why not a combination of all of these? Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up the structure. Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. Michael Shortt On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" wrote: > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > > From: julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a > Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the > specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce > anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became > proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't > hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had > different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. > > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or > leatherett > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > > Julian > > > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used > > to > fill > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise > abrade > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has > > some > ideas, > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of > > knowledge before he starts "trying something". He will be covering > > with a black vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, > > is pretty much unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > Mike Thomas > > VP, POCA > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 20:00:32 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:00:32 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a101cf43cf$6a05f3e0$3e11dba0$@comcast.net> The single pod dash in the later cars is not covered, but injection molded plastic over a metal frame. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:41 AM To: michael at michaelshortt.com; J coyne Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash Aren't both dashes covered? I have the 2-pod dash which is covered. That's why I suggested JB Weld. It has been a while since I saw a later dash. JB Weld is sandable, it is pretty easy to use, strong, and plastic-like. But if your dash is not covered, it would be difficult to reproduce a grain or perfectly smooth surface with JB Weld. You need to do something like MS suggests. Epoxy for strength, and something softer for the surface. On 3/19/14 6:29 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Why not a combination of all of these? > Fiberglass tape on the back to form a solid foundation and stiffen up > the structure. > Then fill the actual crack with JB Weld. After that dries, brush on a > little fiberglass resin and use a really thin sheet of cloth to recover > the whole thing to achieve a consisent surface. > Cut and trim the excess after it dries, then re cover. > > Michael Shortt > > On Mar 19, 2014 1:06 AM, "James coyne" <[1]tecnosound at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if > they > offer viable solutions for Pantera owners. > From: [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: [3]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the > specialist > kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything > like the ori > ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still > visible as > a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got > to the dash > the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked > along the filled > edge. > I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather > (or leatherett > e) with French seams and it will look awesome. > Julian > > From: [5]mbefthomas at comcast.net > > To: [6]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be > used to fill > > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or > otherwise abrade > > it smooth prior to recovering? The upholstery guy I'm using has > some ideas, > > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of > knowledge > > before he starts "trying something". He will be covering with a > black > > vinyl, no padding. I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty > much > > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > > Mike Thomas > > VP, POCA > > VP, Panteras Northwest > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [1][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [12]DeTomaso at poca.com > [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 20:02:40 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:02:40 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000b01cf4304$a65433a0$f2fc9ae0$@comcast.net>, , , <1395240835.34369.YahooMailNeo@web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a701cf43cf$b60780b0$22168210$@comcast.net> Good quality, VERY expensive ($1200-1500). -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:54 AM To: Julian Kift; James coyne; De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash The "Just Dashes" website says they redo Pantera dashes.? Have no idea about their quality. ? YMMV JIm Gray From: Julian Kift To: James coyne ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash ? Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the ? Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a ? glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge ? panel area. ? Julian ? From: tecnosound at hotmail.com ? To: detomaso at poca.com ? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:05:39 -0700 ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash You might try calling the company called "Just Dashes" and see if they offer via ble solutions for Pantera owners. From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash I had a Corvette with a cracked dash and repaired it with one of the specialist kits. My experience was it took some learning to reproduce anything like the ori ginal wrinkle pattern and even when I became proficient it was still visible as a fix. More importantly it didn't hold up here in NV as the sun got to the dash the two plastics had different thermal expansion and it cracked along the filled edge. I would recommend you go for recovering, get it done with leather (or leatherett e) with French seams and it will look awesome. Julian > From: mbefthomas at comcast.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:49:05 -0700 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash > > What is the collective experience with a substance that can be used to fill > the front to back cracks in my Pantera dash, then sand or otherwise abrade > it smooth prior to recovering?? The upholstery guy I'm using has some ideas, > but we thought it would be a good idea to tap this vast pool of knowledge > before he starts "trying something".? He will be covering with a black > vinyl, no padding.? I told him the dash, even as it is, is pretty much > unobtainium, so want to get right the first time if we can. > > Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. > Mike Thomas > VP, POCA > VP, Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed ? by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com ? http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References ? 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 20:05:44 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:05:44 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In-Reply-To: <5097e.65757f5e.405b869b@aol.com> References: <5097e.65757f5e.405b869b@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a801cf43d0$23e85140$6bb8f3c0$@comcast.net> Had one of these way back. They shipped me two, both of which had been "folded" somewhere along the way, and the plastic cracked. Was lucky to get my money back and gave up on that solution. When I did get one of them test fitted, it really didn't fit well. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:48 PM To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; tecnosound at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Filling Cracks in Split Dash In a message dated 3/19/14 7 46 35, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes: > Come to think of it I recall seeing dash caps available for the > Pantera, I just cannot recall where I saw that at present. It's just a > glue on dash overlay that the front edge wraps into the exisitng gauge panel area. > >>>Hall Pantera: http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc& item=54075 Worth a shot? Mike From fresnofinches at aol.com Wed Mar 19 22:36:01 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 22:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC Message-ID: <8D111FC448AE981-1E48-39EA6@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> > It keeps looking more and more > like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. > >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last time I tried. I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets through.... --------------- I too was being deluged with their 'stuff' in my inbox. It took a lot of looking on their website, but I found there is a method to basically put your account into inactive hibernation. Nothing since then. Sorry, I couldn't guide anyone on how to repeat what I did. But it can be done. Larry -------------- next part -------------- > It keeps looking more and more > like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. > >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last time I tried. I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets through.... --------------- I too was being deluged with their 'stuff' in my inbox. It took a lot of looking on their website, but I found there is a method to basi cally put your account into inactive hibernation. Nothing since then. Sorry, I couldn't guide anyone on how to repeat what I did. But it can be done. Larry From vinh.d.ly at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 23:01:45 2014 From: vinh.d.ly at gmail.com (Vinh Ly) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 23:01:45 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <50984.5ed46386.405b869d@aol.com> References: <50984.5ed46386.405b869d@aol.com> Message-ID: You can close your LinkedIn account on the Privacy & Settings page: 1. Move your cursor over your photo in the top right of your homepage and select *Privacy & Settings*. ? You may be prompted to sign in to your account again to get to your settings. 2. Click the *Account* side tab next to the shield icon near the bottom left of the page. 3. Under the *Helpful Links* section, select Close your account . I haven't tried but there are other settings on the Privacy page that may be set if you don't want to completely close the acct. Vinh On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 3/18/14 18 28 32, asajay at asajay.com writes: > > It keeps looking more and more > like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. > > >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel > California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to > cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last > time I tried. > I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets > through.... > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- You can close your LinkedIn account on the [1]Privacy & Settings page: 1. Move your cursor over your photo in the top right of your homepage and select Privacy & Settings. . You may be prompted to sign in to your account again to get to your settings. 2. Click the Account side tab next to the shield icon near the bottom left of the page. 3. Under the Helpful Links section, select [2]Close your account. I haven't tried but there are other settings on the Privacy page that may be set if you don't want to completely close the acct. Vinh On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM, <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/18/14 18 28 32, [4]asajay at asajay.com writes: It keeps looking more and more like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last time I tried. I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets through.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.linkedin.com/settings/?&tab=account 2. https://www.linkedin.com/secure/settings?closemyaccountstart= 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Wed Mar 19 23:46:23 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 20:46:23 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> Message-ID: <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to code one up though. :) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <[4]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email and just delete it. Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, especially for people who use the daily summary. Jeff 6559 _______________________________________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. http://www.avg.com/ From asajay at asajay.com Wed Mar 19 23:48:55 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 20:48:55 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <8D111FC448AE981-1E48-39EA6@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D111FC448AE981-1E48-39EA6@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <532A6527.8030409@asajay.com> I've been a member of LinkedIn for probably 10 years now or better and I don't get this deluge of spam you people talk about. I must have found the magic setting years ago. Sorry I couldn't tell you what it is. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/19/2014 7:36 PM, Larry Finch wrote: >> It keeps looking more and more >> like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. >> >>>> Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel > California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to cancel an > account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last time I tried. > > I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets through.... > > --------------- > > I too was being deluged with their 'stuff' in my inbox. > > > It took a lot of looking on their website, but I found there is a method to basi > cally put your account into inactive hibernation. > > > Nothing since then. > > > Sorry, I couldn't guide anyone on how to repeat what I did. > > > But it can be done. > > > Larry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 00:48:28 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 21:48:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] replies... In-Reply-To: <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net><5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> Message-ID: Um.... YOUR mail tool has (may have) the option of selecting to include the content replied to, or not... At least my old Outlook has such a feature. Some people "abuse" this by writing a reply, and not referring to what they are "answering"... Sometimes it can be hard to tell what the heck they are talking about... out of context, you know. Chuck From thomas at hax.se Thu Mar 20 03:15:13 2014 From: thomas at hax.se (Thomas Tornblom) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 08:15:13 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Connections- NPC In-Reply-To: <50984.5ed46386.405b869d@aol.com> References: <50984.5ed46386.405b869d@aol.com> Message-ID: <532A9581.60302@hax.se> 2014-03-20 00:47, MikeLDrew at aol.com skrev: > In a message dated 3/18/14 18 28 32, asajay at asajay.com writes: > > It keeps looking more and more > like facebook and I've been tempted to leave it. > > >>>Guess what--you can't! LinkedIn is the digital equivalent of Hotel Yes you can. I just left LinkedIn, and deleted my account. I'm not of Facebook or Twitter either. They have instructions if you search for it on their help center. > California...no matter what you try, there appears to be no way to > cancel an account once you've opened it. At least, there wasn't last > time I tried. > I've managed to block most LinkedIn spam but some still gets > through.... > Mike > > Cheers, Thomas From will.kooiman at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 07:07:06 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:07:06 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tefba Coolant Filter In-Reply-To: <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> Message-ID: That's funny, I never thought about that. I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally skip over everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when people delete the previous content. As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 day old thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said previously. I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's why I never delete the previous content. On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" wrote: > No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to code > one up though. :) > Asa Jay >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >& Shelley Marie >Spokane, WA >****************************** >[1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >[2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >[3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton > <[4]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: > > Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email > and just delete it. > > Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume > from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an > option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, > especially for people who use the daily summary. > Jeff > 6559 > _______________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: > 03/19/14 > >References > > 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 5. http://www.avg.com/ >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Thu Mar 20 09:39:09 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:39:09 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies In-Reply-To: References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> Message-ID: <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with or without the text of the message you are replying to. That's an all-or-nothing deal though. And as Will pointed out, if you don't include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the quoted text. Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, like I'm doing here. Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the text they are replying to. This makes it easier and more conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an email and answer pieces individually. I sometimes do the same thing but it becomes a manual process. I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior conversation. Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach most email software has. And the Mailman list software archives the -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies. It might be a "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and figure out what was being discussed. I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there. You can quickly see each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select specific prior text to "quote." Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > That's funny, I never thought about that. > > I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally skip over > everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when > people delete the previous content. > > As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 day old > thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said > previously. > > I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. > > Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked > with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it > easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's why I > never delete the previous content. > > > On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" wrote: > >> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to code >> one up though. :) >> Asa Jay >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >> & Shelley Marie >> Spokane, WA >> ****************************** >> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> >> On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton >> <[4]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: >> >> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email >> and just delete it. >> >> Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume >> from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an >> option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, >> especially for people who use the daily summary. >> Jeff >> 6559 >> _______________________________________________________________ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: >> 03/19/14 >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ >> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ >> 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com >> 5. http://www.avg.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 > > From demongusta at me.com Thu Mar 20 10:17:22 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:17:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies In-Reply-To: <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> Message-ID: Email packages - interesting - never received one - got em from UPS, Fedex, etc, but never by email. Terminology. On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with > or without the text of the message you are replying to. That's an > all-or-nothing deal though. And as Will pointed out, if you don't > include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can > sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. > > When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, > some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the > quoted text. Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, > like I'm doing here. > > Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the > text they are replying to. This makes it easier and more > conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an > email and answer pieces individually. I sometimes do the same thing but > it becomes a manual process. > > I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying > only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior > conversation. Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach > most email software has. And the Mailman list software archives the > -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each > email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies. It might be a > "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather > frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the > archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and > figure out what was being discussed. > > I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there. You can quickly see > each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select > specific prior text to "quote." > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: >> That's funny, I never thought about that. >> >> I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally skip over >> everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when >> people delete the previous content. >> >> As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 day old >> thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said >> previously. >> >> I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. >> >> Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked >> with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it >> easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's why I >> never delete the previous content. >> >> >> On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" wrote: >> >>> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to code >>> one up though. :) >>> Asa Jay >>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >>> & Shelley Marie >>> Spokane, WA >>> ****************************** >>> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >>> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >>> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >>> >>> On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton >>> <[4]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: >>> >>> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email >>> and just delete it. >>> >>> Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume >>> from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an >>> option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, >>> especially for people who use the daily summary. >>> Jeff >>> 6559 >>> _______________________________________________________________ >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com >>> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: >>> 03/19/14 >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ >>> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ >>> 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >>> 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com >>> 5. http://www.avg.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Thu Mar 20 10:23:24 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:23:24 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies In-Reply-To: References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net><5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com><532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> Message-ID: <72770BA9261646C5978009ABAC0CE27D@LarryHPPC> << Email packages - interesting - never received one - got em from UPS, Fedex, etc>> And what about your package from Mother Nature? Larry (damaged in delivery) - Cleveland From pcajthaml at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 13:51:22 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:51:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Message-ID: Okay, I found a crack on the left rear wheel, through 3 or 4 of the bolts. Time to get new wheels! Does anyone have experience with Forgeline? I found one Pantera with them here: http://www.forgeline.com/customer_gallery_view.php?cvk=601&car_make=DeTomaso Peter #2761 -------------- next part -------------- Okay, I found a crack on the left rear wheel, through 3 or 4 of the bolts. Time to get new wheels! Does anyone have experience with Forgeline? I found one Pantera with them here: [1]http://www.forgeline.com/customer_gallery_view.php?cvk=601&car_make= DeTomaso Peter #2761 References 1. http://www.forgeline.com/customer_gallery_view.php?cvk=601&car_make=DeTomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 14:35:24 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:35:24 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] an in Finland Message-ID: Jan, (Jan's Car Factory ???, Finland) Please contact me directly, if you are on this list. Or if anyone has his e-mail. let me know. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- Jan, (Jan's Car Factory ???, Finland) Please contact me directly, if you are on this list. Or if anyone has his e-mail... let me know. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 20 16:03:39 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:03:39 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hemmings Pantera Article Message-ID: Surprise in the mailbox today. Hemmings Spirts & Exotics. May 2014 issue. 6 pages. Michael Shortt -------------- next part -------------- Surprise in the mailbox today. Hemmings Spirts & Exotics. May 2014 issue. 6 pages. Michael Shortt From fresnofinches at aol.com Thu Mar 20 16:35:31 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Message-ID: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> Peter, I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece wheels. I do hear of safety problems. I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of safety problems. Questions bouncing around in my head: Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved wheels? Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to believe it isn't.) And finally, IMHO, As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of bolt-together three-piece wheels, why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? Larry -------------- next part -------------- Peter, I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece wheels. I do hear of safety problems. I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of safety problems. Questions bouncing around in my head: Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved wheels? Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to believe it isn't.) And finally, IMHO, As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of bolt-together three-piece wheels, why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? Larry From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 16:47:31 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:47:31 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again In-Reply-To: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Well..... As I mentioned before, my Etoile/Gotti three piece 15" wheels have been on my car since 1985. No problems. In fact, I'm using them for the race car now.... As with all things, if it's a quality well engineered and built product, there should be no problem. I am now using Kinesis wheels and they are bolt together 3 piece wheels. Bob Benson uses the same ones. No problems that I know of... FWIW, Kirby On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Larry Finch wrote: > Peter, > I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece > wheels. I do hear of safety problems. > I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of > safety problems. > Questions bouncing around in my head: > Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved > wheels? > Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. > In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces > Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? > (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to > believe it isn't.) > And finally, IMHO, > As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of > bolt-together three-piece wheels, > why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Well..... As I mentioned before, my Etoile/Gotti three piece 15" wheels have been on my car since 1985. No problems. In fact, I'm using them for the race car now.... As with all things, if it's a quality well engineered and built product, there should be no problem. I am now using Kinesis wheels and they are bolt together 3 piece wheels. Bob Benson uses the same ones. No problems that I know of... FWIW, Kirby On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Larry Finch <[1]fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote: A A Peter, A A I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece A A wheels. I do hear of safety problems. A A I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of A A safety problems. A A Questions bouncing around in my head: A A A A Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved A A wheels? A A A A Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. A A A A In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces A A Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? A A A A (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to A A believe it isn't.) A A And finally, IMHO, A A A A As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of A A bolt-together three-piece wheels, A A A A why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? A A Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at poca.com [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 20 16:49:29 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:49:29 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] The Shortt List - Marti Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: New Request. > I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them, please share. > > Thanks > > Michael Shortt > > 37 cars so far. > > > > > > Want to know more? > > > > > > I use Marti Reports... > please send yours. > > > > > > 11/18 Note: A valid point has been > > > raised about build date versus release > > > date, Thus the build date for each car > > > will be listed next to it's serial number, > > > > > > followed by the release date which is > > > more likely when it was finished and > > > > > > ready for shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 36 US Cars and 1 Euro Car so far, > > > > > > > > > Please send your info if you have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > US Cars > > > > > > > > > TOTAL 5,244 > > > > > > > > > Imported to the US Market > > > > > > > > > 25.57% of which were Yellow > > > > > > The second most popular > > > color appears to be White. > > > > > > Less than 3% were GTS Models > > > > > > 14% were 71's > > > 40% were 72's > > > 24% were 73's > > > 21% were 74's > > > > > > > > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a > > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .0057% > > > of US Import Models at 30 total units. > > > > > > > The most popular Pantera is a > > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at > > > > > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > > > > 743 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > 1464 5/71 2/72 > > > 1490 5/71 12/71 > > > 1660 6/71 3/72 > > > 1661 6/71 4/72 > 2042 7/71 4/72 > > > > > > > > > > > 120 made in May > > > 208 made in June > 263 made in July > > > 101 made in Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224 Yellow 30% > > > 87 Lime 12% > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2,131 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars included > > > > > > > > > 2071 9/71 5/72 > > > 2207 10/71 6/72 > > > > > > 2586 1/72 12/72 > > > 2761 2/72 10/72 > > > 3310 4/72 8/72 > > > 3400. 5/72 8/72 > > > 3482 4/72 9/72 > > > 3676 6/72 2/72 > > > 3960 7/72 3/73 > > > 4234 7/72 2/73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 307 made in January > > > 238 made in February > > > 308 made in April > > > 171 made in May > > > 227 made in June > > > 445 made in July > > > 83 made in September > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 558 Yellow 26% > > > 517 White 24% > > > 436 Red 20% > > > 244 Blue 11% > > > 94 Lime. 4% > > > 107 Silver 4% > > > 57 Green 2% > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > Includes some 72 Models designated as > > > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839 > > > > > > > > > 1,258 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > > > > 4443* 9/72 5/73 > > 4520* 9/72 10/73 > > > 4566* 10/72 7/73 > > > 4665* 10/72 6/73 > > > > > > 4860 10/72 5/73 > > > 5048 12/72 8/73 > > > 5445 3/73 9/73 > > > 5491 4/73 12/73 > > > 5906 7/73 5/74 > > > 5926 7/73 7/73 > > > > > > > > > 68 in March > > > 83 in April > > > 185 in July > > > 187 in October > > > 163 in September > > > 113 in December > > > > > > > > > 334 Yellow 26% > > > 277 White. 22% > > > 203 Orange 16% > > > 178 Red 14% > > > 90 Green 7% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > > > > 1,112 Produced > > > > > > > > > 962 Standard > > > 150 GTS Models > > > > > > > > > 6143 8/73 2/75 > > > 6328 9/73 9/74 > > > 6480 10/73 8/74 > > > 6590 10/73 8/74 > > > 6928 12/73 11/74 > > > 7080 1/74 11/74 > > > 7207 2/74 9/74 > > > 7217 3/74 1/75 > > > 7269 3/74 12/74 > > > 7314 6/74 1/75 > > > 7366 6/74 1/75 > > > > > > > > > > > > 142 in Jan > > > 39 in Feb > > > > > > 61 in Mar > > > 69 in June > > > 65 in Aug > > > 113 in Sept > > > 224 in Oct > > > 128 in Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > 225 Yellow 20% > > > 191 White 17% > > > 188 Orange 17% > > > 151 Red 13% > > > > > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40% > > > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40% > > > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Euro Cars > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > 549 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > 416 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > ? Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > 5186 GTS > > > > > > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > > > > > > Blk/Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > 369 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following information was > > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell > > > > > > who credits George Pence. > > > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with > > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera > > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been > > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971, > > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles > > > > > > based on the fiscal year. > > > > > > > > > > > > The curious part of that difference ... > > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971 > > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln > > > > > > showroom until February or March of > > > > > > 1972. > > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models > > > > > > since September 1971. > > > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned > > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the > > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short, > > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began > > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973, > > > > > > just like Ford. > > > > > > > > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models, > > > > > > a few were actually built before > > > > > > January, in 1970) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382 > > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly > > > > > > line models) > > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292 > > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268 > > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L > > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models > > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839 > > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short > > > > > > 6 month model year) > > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899 > > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's > > > > > > production year, then extended. > > > > > > Should have ended June 1974) > > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380 > > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!) > > > > > > > > > > > > The total number of Panteras based > > > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74 > > > > > > > > > > > > 5,244 US Models > > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models > > > > > > > > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136 > > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334 > > > > > > not counting all of 73. > > > > > > > > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE. > > > > > > More to come. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > > > Savannah, Georgia > > > www.michaelshortt.com > > > michael at michaelshortt.com > > > 912-232-9390 > > > > > > > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > > > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > > > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > > > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- New Request. > I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them, please share. > > Thanks > > Michael Shortt > > 37 cars so far. > > > > > > Want to know more? > > > > > > I use Marti Reports... > please send yours. > > > > > > 11/18 Note: A valid point has been > > > raised about build date versus release > > > date, Thus the build date for each car > > > will be listed next to it's serial number, > > > > > > followed by the release date which is > > > more likely when it was finished and > > > > > > ready for shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 36 US Cars and 1 Euro Car so far, > > > > > > > > > Please send your info if you have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > US Cars > > > > > > > > > TOTAL 5,244 > > > > > > > > > Imported to the US Market > > > > > > > > > 25.57% of which were Yellow > > > > > > The second most popular > > > color appears to be White. > > > > > > Less than 3% were GTS Models > > > > > > 14% were 71's > > > 40% were 72's > > > 24% were 73's > > > 21% were 74's > > > > > > > > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a > > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .0057% > > > of US Import Models at 30 total units. > > > > > > > The most popular Pantera is a > > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at > > > > > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > > > > 743 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > 1464 5/71 2/72 > > > 1490 5/71 12/71 > > > 1660 6/71 3/72 > > > 1661 6/71 4/72 > 2042 7/71 4/72 > > > > > > > > > > > 120 made in May > > > 208 made in June > 263 made in July > > > 101 made in Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224 Yellow 30% > > > 87 Lime 12% > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2,131 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars included > > > > > > > > > 2071 9/71 5/72 > > > 2207 10/71 6/72 > > > > > > 2586 1/72 12/72 > > > 2761 2/72 10/72 > > > 3310 4/72 8/72 > > > 3400. 5/72 8/72 > > > 3482 4/72 9/72 > > > 3676 6/72 2/72 > > > 3960 7/72 3/73 > > > 4234 7/72 2/73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 307 made in January > > > 238 made in February > > > 308 made in April > > > 171 made in May > > > 227 made in June > > > 445 made in July > > > 83 made in September > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 558 Yellow 26% > > > 517 White 24% > > > 436 Red 20% > > > 244 Blue 11% > > > 94 Lime. 4% > > > 107 Silver 4% > > > 57 Green 2% > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > Includes some 72 Models designated as > > > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839 > > > > > > > > > 1,258 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > > > > 4443* 9/72 5/73 > > 4520* 9/72 10/73 > > > 4566* 10/72 7/73 > > > 4665* 10/72 6/73 > > > > > > 4860 10/72 5/73 > > > 5048 12/72 8/73 > > > 5445 3/73 9/73 > > > 5491 4/73 12/73 > > > 5906 7/73 5/74 > > > 5926 7/73 7/73 > > > > > > > > > 68 in March > > > 83 in April > > > 185 in July > > > 187 in October > > > 163 in September > > > 113 in December > > > > > > > > > 334 Yellow 26% > > > 277 White. 22% > > > 203 Orange 16% > > > 178 Red 14% > > > 90 Green 7% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > > > > 1,112 Produced > > > > > > > > > 962 Standard > > > 150 GTS Models > > > > > > > > > 6143 8/73 2/75 > > > 6328 9/73 9/74 > > > 6480 10/73 8/74 > > > 6590 10/73 8/74 > > > 6928 12/73 11/74 > > > 7080 1/74 11/74 > > > 7207 2/74 9/74 > > > 7217 3/74 1/75 > > > 7269 3/74 12/74 > > > 7314 6/74 1/75 > > > 7366 6/74 1/75 > > > > > > > > > > > > 142 in Jan > > > 39 in Feb > > > > > > 61 in Mar > > > 69 in June > > > 65 in Aug > > > 113 in Sept > > > 224 in Oct > > > 128 in Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > 225 Yellow 20% > > > 191 White 17% > > > 188 Orange 17% > > > 151 Red 13% > > > > > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40% > > > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40% > > > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Euro Cars > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > 549 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > 416 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > ? Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > 5186 GTS > > > > > > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > > > > > > Blk/Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > 369 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following information was > > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell > > > > > > who credits George Pence. > > > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with > > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera > > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been > > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971, > > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles > > > > > > based on the fiscal year. > > > > > > > > > > > > The curious part of that difference ... > > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971 > > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln > > > > > > showroom until February or March of > > > > > > 1972. > > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models > > > > > > since September 1971. > > > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned > > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the > > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short, > > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began > > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973, > > > > > > just like Ford. > > > > > > > > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models, > > > > > > a few were actually built before > > > > > > January, in 1970) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382 > > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly > > > > > > line models) > > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292 > > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268 > > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L > > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models > > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839 > > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short > > > > > > 6 month model year) > > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899 > > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's > > > > > > production year, then extended. > > > > > > Should have ended June 1974) > > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380 > > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!) > > > > > > > > > > > > The total number of Panteras based > > > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74 > > > > > > > > > > > > 5,244 US Models > > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models > > > > > > > > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136 > > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334 > > > > > > not counting all of 73. > > > > > > > > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE. > > > > > > More to come. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > > > Savannah, Georgia > > > [1]www.michaelshortt.com > > > [2]michael at michaelshortt.com > > > 912-232-9390 > > > > > > > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > > > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > > > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > > > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Mar 20 17:01:02 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:01:02 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again In-Reply-To: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and cracking? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian To: detomaso at poca.com From: fresnofinches at aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:35:31 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Peter, I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece wheels. I do hear of safety problems. I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of safety problems. Questions bouncing around in my head: Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved wheels? Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to believe it isn't.) And finally, IMHO, As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of bolt-together three-piece wheels, why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and cracking? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian To: detomaso at poca.com From: fresnofinches at aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:35:31 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Peter, I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece wheels. I d o hear of safety problems. I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of safety p roblems. Questions bouncing around in my head: Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved wheels? Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to believe it i sn't.) And finally, IMHO, As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of bolt-toge ther three-piece wheels, why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From pcajthaml at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 18:06:08 2014 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com (Peter Cajthaml) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:06:08 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Message-ID: That is correct - I have the Hall Ultra II, built around 1994. Only one has cracked, and I decided not to repair it, but to replace all 4 wheels. As it is a large investment, I am hoping to get feedback from the board on what wheel to get and which ones to avoid. My tire sizes are: 335/35x17 (rear) and 275/40x17 (front). I considered the Bassett steel wheels discussed earlier, but could not find a comparable tire size in the 15" wheel. I understand that a properly built 3-piece wheel is strong enough for street use; that the cracks in my wheels are possibly the result of a design flaw in this type of wheel. Thanks! Peter #2761 ----------- Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and cracking? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian -------------- next part -------------- That is correct - I have the Hall Ultra II, built around 1994. Only one has cra cked, and I decided not to repair it, but to replace all 4 wheels. As it is a large investment, I am hoping to get feedback from the board on what wheel to get and which ones to avoid. My tire sizes are: 335/35x17 (rear) and 275/40x17 (front). I considered the Bas sett steel wheels discussed earlier, but could not find a comparable tire size i n the 15" wheel. I understand that a properly built 3-piece wheel is strong enough for street use ; that the cracks in my wheels are possibly the result of a design flaw in this type of wheel. Thanks! Peter #2761 ----------- Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and crack ing? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels w ith safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Mar 20 18:17:01 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:17:01 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FWIW I have Kodiak Motorsports wheels on two of my Pantera's, one set with the car and the other as part of group buy some years back. Fikse Wheels is now owned by Darryl of Kodiak and I must admit I do like the Fikse wheels that John Taphorn has on his GT5 for style and as they have no front face bolts. I must admit I am not sure if the Fikse are one, two or three piece but blind bolts from the rear make it significantly easier to keep the wheels clean. The bolt heads on the Kodiak wheels eat up any of the foam polishing balls rather rapidly. Julian Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:06:08 -0700 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wheels again That is correct - I have the Hall Ultra II, built around 1994. Only one has cracked, and I decided not to repair it, but to replace all 4 wheels. As it is a large investment, I am hoping to get feedback from the board on what wheel to get and which ones to avoid. My tire sizes are: 335/35x17 (rear) and 275/40x17 (front). I considered the Bassett steel wheels discussed earlier, but could not find a comparable tire size in the 15" wheel. I understand that a properly built 3-piece wheel is strong enough for street use; that the cracks in my wheels are possibly the result of a design flaw in this type of wheel. Thanks! Peter #2761 ----------- Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and cracking? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- FWIW I have Kodiak Motorsports wheels on two of my Pantera's, one set with the car and the other as part of group buy some years back. Fikse Wheels is now owned by Darryl of Kodiak and I must admit I do like the Fikse wheels that John Taphorn has on his GT5 for style and as they have no front face bolts. I must admit I am not sure if the Fikse are one, two or three piece but blind bolts from the rear make it significantly easier to keep the wheels clean. The bolt heads on the Kodiak wheels eat up any of the foam polishing balls rather rapidly. Julian Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:06:08 -0700 From: pcajthaml at gmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wheels again That is correct - I have the Hall Ultra II, built around 1994. Only one has cracked, and I decided not to repair it, but to replace all 4 wheels. As it is a large investment, I am hoping to get feedback from the board on what wheel to get and which ones to avoid. My tire sizes are: 335/35x17 (rear) and 275/40x17 (front). I considered the Bassett steel wheels discussed earlier, but could not find a comparable tire size in the 15" wheel. I understand that a properly built 3-piece wheel is strong enough for street use; that the cracks in my wheels are possibly the result of a design flaw in this type of wheel. Thanks! Peter #2761 ----------- Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and cracking? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 19:12:13 2014 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies In-Reply-To: <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> Message-ID: <1395357133.43641.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Quoting Asa, "I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there." I say thanks, but no thanks. ? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) ________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with or without the text of the message you are replying to.? That's an all-or-nothing deal though.? And as Will pointed out, if you don't include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the quoted text.? Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, like I'm doing here. Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the text they are replying to.? This makes it easier and more conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an email and answer pieces individually.? I sometimes do the same thing but it becomes a manual process. I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior conversation.? Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach most email software has.? And the Mailman list software archives the -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies.? It might be a "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and figure out what was being discussed. I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there.? You can quickly see each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select specific prior text to "quote." Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ******************************? ? http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > That's funny, I never thought about that. > > I prefer having everything in the most recent reply.? I normally skip over > everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when > people delete the previous content. > > As I read e-mail, I delete it.? Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 day old > thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said > previously. > > I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. > > Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked > with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply.? It makes it > easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact.? That's why I > never delete the previous content. > > > On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" wrote: > >>? No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software.? Feel free to code >>? one up though. :) >>? Asa? Jay >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >> & Shelley Marie >> Spokane, WA >> ****************************** >> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> >>? On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >> >>? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton >>? <[4]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: >> >>? Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email >>? and just delete it. >> >>? Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume >>? from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an >>? option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, >>? especially for people who use the daily summary. >>? Jeff >>? 6559 >>? ? ? _______________________________________________________________ >> >>? ? No virus found in this message. >>? ? Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com >>? ? Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: >>? ? 03/19/14 >> >> References >> >>? 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ >>? 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ >>? 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >>? 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com >>? 5. http://www.avg.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Quoting Asa, "I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there." I say thanks, but no thanks. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with or without the text of the message you are replying to. That's an all-or-nothing deal though. And as Will pointed out, if you don't include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the quoted text. Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, like I'm doing here. Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the text they are replying to. This makes it easier and more conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an email and answer pieces individually. I sometimes do the same thing but it becomes a manual process. I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior conversation. Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach most email software has. And the Mailman list software archives the -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies. It might be a "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and figure out what was being discussed. I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there. You can quickly see each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select specific prior text to "quote." Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > That's funny, I never thought about that. > > I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally skip over > everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when > people delete the previous content. > > As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 day old > thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said > previously. > > I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. > > Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked > with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it > easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's why I > never delete the previous content. > > > On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[4]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: > >> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to code >> one up though. :) >> Asa Jay >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >> & Shelley Marie >> Spokane, WA >> ****************************** >> [1][5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com >> [2][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> [3][7]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> >> On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton >> <[4][8]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: >> >> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email >> and just delete it. >> >> Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the volume >> from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an >> option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, >> especially for people who use the daily summary. >> Jeff >> 6559 >> _______________________________________________________________ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: >> 03/19/14 >> >> References >> >> 1. [9]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ >> 2. [10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ >> 3. [11]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism >> 4. mailto:[12]asajay at asajay.com >> 5. [13]http://www.avg.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [14]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso at poca.com [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 8. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 9. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 10. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 11. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 12. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 13. http://www.avg.com/ 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com Thu Mar 20 20:32:57 2014 From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com (John Taphorn) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:32:57 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <532B88B9.9040400@kingwoodcable.com> Thanks Julian, The wheels are 3 piece. I had hoped to debut the car at this year's Fun Rally. Unfortunately, due to a conflict, I'll be absent. I'll miss the gang. Here's a photo JT On 3/20/2014 5:17 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > FWIW I have Kodiak Motorsports wheels on two of my Pantera's, one set > with the car and the other as part of group buy some years back. Fikse > Wheels is now owned by Darryl of Kodiak and I must admit I do like the > Fikse wheels that John Taphorn has on his GT5 for style and as they > have no front face bolts. I must admit I am not sure if the > Fikse are one, two or three piece but blind bolts from the rear make > it significantly easier to keep the wheels clean. The bolt heads on the > Kodiak wheels eat up any of the foam polishing balls rather rapidly. > > Julian > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:06:08 -0700 > From: pcajthaml at gmail.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wheels again > That is correct - I have the Hall Ultra II, built around 1994. Only > one has cracked, and I decided not to repair it, but to replace all 4 > wheels. > > As it is a large investment, I am hoping to get feedback from the > board on what wheel to get and which ones to avoid. > > My tire sizes are: 335/35x17 (rear) and 275/40x17 (front). I > considered the Bassett steel wheels discussed earlier, but could not > find a comparable tire size in the 15" wheel. > > I understand that a properly built 3-piece wheel is strong enough for > street use; that the cracks in my wheels are possibly the result of a > design flaw in this type of wheel. > > Thanks! > > Peter > #2761 > > > ----------- > > Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality > and cracking? > > I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt > together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of > course check the bolts on an annual frequency > > Julian > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Thanks Julian, The wheels are 3 piece. I had hoped to debut the car at this year's Fun Rally. Unfortunately, due to a conflict, I'll be absent. I'll miss the gang. Here's a photo JT On 3/20/2014 5:17 PM, Julian Kift wrote: FWIW I have Kodiak Motorsports wheels on two of my Pantera's, one set with the car and the other as part of group buy some years back. Fikse Wheels is now owned by Darryl of Kodiak and I must admit I do like the Fikse wheels that John Taphorn has on his GT5 for style and as they have no front face bolts. I must admit I am not sure if the Fikse are one, two or three piece but blind bolts from the rear make it significantly easier to keep the wheels clean. The bolt heads on the Kodiak wheels eat up any of the foam polishing balls rather rapidly. Julian Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:06:08 -0700 From: [1]pcajthaml at gmail.com To: [2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wheels again That is correct - I have the Hall Ultra II, built around 1994. Only one has cracked, and I decided not to repair it, but to replace all 4 wheels. As it is a large investment, I am hoping to get feedback from the board on what wheel to get and which ones to avoid. My tire sizes are: 335/35x17 (rear) and 275/40x17 (front). I considered the Bassett steel wheels discussed earlier, but could not find a comparable tire size in the 15" wheel. I understand that a properly built 3-piece wheel is strong enough for street use; that the cracks in my wheels are possibly the result of a design flaw in this type of wheel. Thanks! Peter #2761 ----------- Doesn't Peter have the old Hall wheels, which are renowned for quality and cracking? I have not heard of any modern alloy 3 piece or two piece bolt together wheels with safety problems. As a precaution one should of course check the bolts on an annual frequency Julian _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3862s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 206297 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cengles at cox.net Thu Mar 20 21:17:07 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:17:07 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again In-Reply-To: References: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005301cf44a3$477742f0$d665c8d0$@net> Dear Kirby and Larry, One of my Panteras has three piece Etoiles and no problems. The other Pantera has had Kinesis for about twenty years and over...30k miles, track time and recent mega runs to Phoenix without problems. Quality three pieces wheels are a very reasonable wheel option. FWIW, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Kirby Schrader Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:48 PM To: Larry Finch Cc: Panteras Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Well..... As I mentioned before, my Etoile/Gotti three piece 15" wheels have been on my car since 1985. No problems. In fact, I'm using them for the race car now.... As with all things, if it's a quality well engineered and built product, there should be no problem. I am now using Kinesis wheels and they are bolt together 3 piece wheels. Bob Benson uses the same ones. No problems that I know of... FWIW, Kirby On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Larry Finch wrote: > Peter, > I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece > wheels. I do hear of safety problems. > I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of > safety problems. > Questions bouncing around in my head: > Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved > wheels? > Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. > In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces > Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? > (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to > believe it isn't.) > And finally, IMHO, > As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of > bolt-together three-piece wheels, > why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 20 22:08:46 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:08:46 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hemmings article Message-ID: The article is very well written, avoids repeating cliches about our cars. Worthy of being a part of every owners library collection. Michael Shortt -------------- next part -------------- The article is very well written, avoids repeating cliches about our cars. Worthy of being a part of every owners library collection. Michael Shortt From asajay at asajay.com Thu Mar 20 22:29:04 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:29:04 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies In-Reply-To: <1395357133.43641.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> <1395357133.43641.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <532BA3F0.6030101@asajay.com> Which appears to be the overwhelming majority response, since the on line forum was one of the first things rebuilt on the compromised POCA web site, yet it still gets very little traffic. :) Asa Jay (personally I prefer this method to the on line forum anyway) Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/20/2014 4:12 PM, B Hower wrote: > Quoting Asa, "I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is > to move the > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there." > > I say thanks, but no thanks. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Asa Jay Laughton > *To:* detomaso at poca.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:39 AM > *Subject:* [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies > > As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with > or without the text of the message you are replying to. That's an > all-or-nothing deal though. And as Will pointed out, if you don't > include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can > sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. > > When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, > some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the > quoted text. Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, > like I'm doing here. > > Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the > text they are replying to. This makes it easier and more > conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an > email and answer pieces individually. I sometimes do the same thing but > it becomes a manual process. > > I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying > only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior > conversation. Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach > most email software has. And the Mailman list software archives the > -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each > email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies. It might be a > "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather > frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the > archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and > figure out what was being discussed. > > I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there. You can quickly see > each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select > specific prior text to "quote." > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > > That's funny, I never thought about that. > > > > I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally > skip over > > everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when > > people delete the previous content. > > > > As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 > day old > > thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said > > previously. > > > > I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. > > > > Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked > > with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it > > easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's > why I > > never delete the previous content. > > > > > > On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" > wrote: > > > >> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to > code > >> one up though. :) > >> Asa Jay > >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > >> & Shelley Marie > >> Spokane, WA > >> ****************************** > >> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > >> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > >> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > >> > >> On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton > >> <[4]asajay at asajay.com > wrote: > >> > >> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email > >> and just delete it. > >> > >> Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the > volume > >> from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an > >> option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, > >> especially for people who use the daily summary. > >> Jeff > >> 6559 > >> _______________________________________________________________ > >> > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com > >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: > >> 03/19/14 > >> > >> References > >> > >> 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > >> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > >> 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > >> 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > >> 5. http://www.avg.com/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >> > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> DeTomaso at poca.com > >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6723 - Release Date: 03/20/14 > From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 20 22:39:48 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:39:48 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies In-Reply-To: <532BA3F0.6030101@asajay.com> References: <4a8906.89e99.144b7697524.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5327CD17.2000405@asajay.com> <532A648F.9070604@asajay.com> <532AEF7D.2000404@asajay.com> <1395357133.43641.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <532BA3F0.6030101@asajay.com> Message-ID: Ditto. Love the emails. Michael On Mar 20, 2014 10:32 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" wrote: > Which appears to be the overwhelming majority response, since the on > line forum was one of the first things rebuilt on the compromised POCA > web site, yet it still gets very little traffic. :) > > Asa Jay > (personally I prefer this method to the on line forum anyway) > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/20/2014 4:12 PM, B Hower wrote: > > Quoting Asa, "I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is > > to move the > > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there." > > > > I say thanks, but no thanks. > > > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! > ) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Asa Jay Laughton > > *To:* detomaso at poca.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:39 AM > > *Subject:* [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies > > > > As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with > > or without the text of the message you are replying to. That's an > > all-or-nothing deal though. And as Will pointed out, if you don't > > include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can > > sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. > > > > When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, > > some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the > > quoted text. Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, > > like I'm doing here. > > > > Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the > > text they are replying to. This makes it easier and more > > conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an > > email and answer pieces individually. I sometimes do the same thing but > > it becomes a manual process. > > > > I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying > > only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior > > conversation. Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach > > most email software has. And the Mailman list software archives the > > -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each > > email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies. It might be a > > "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather > > frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the > > archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and > > figure out what was being discussed. > > > > I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the > > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there. You can quickly see > > each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select > > specific prior text to "quote." > > > > Asa Jay > > > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > & Shelley Marie > > Spokane, WA > > ****************************** > > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > > > > On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > > > That's funny, I never thought about that. > > > > > > I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally > > skip over > > > everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when > > > people delete the previous content. > > > > > > As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 > > day old > > > thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said > > > previously. > > > > > > I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. > > > > > > Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked > > > with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it > > > easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's > > why I > > > never delete the previous content. > > > > > > > > > On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" > > wrote: > > > > > >> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to > > code > > >> one up though. :) > > >> Asa Jay > > >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > >> & Shelley Marie > > >> Spokane, WA > > >> ****************************** > > >> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > > > >> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com < > http://www.teampanteraracing.com/> > > >> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > >> > > >> On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton > > >> <[4]asajay at asajay.com > wrote: > > >> > > >> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email > > >> and just delete it. > > >> > > >> Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the > > volume > > >> from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an > > >> option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, > > >> especially for people who use the daily summary. > > >> Jeff > > >> 6559 > > >> _______________________________________________________________ > > >> > > >> No virus found in this message. > > >> Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com > > >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: > > >> 03/19/14 > > >> > > >> References > > >> > > >> 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > > >> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > > >> 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > >> 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > > >> 5. http://www.avg.com/ > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > >> > > >> DeTomaso mailing list > > >> DeTomaso at poca.com > > >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6723 - Release Date: 03/20/14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Ditto. Love the emails. Michael On Mar 20, 2014 10:32 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[1]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: Which appears to be the overwhelming majority response, since the on line forum was one of the first things rebuilt on the compromised POCA web site, yet it still gets very little traffic. :) Asa Jay (personally I prefer this method to the on line forum anyway) Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/20/2014 4:12 PM, B Hower wrote: > Quoting Asa, "I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is > to move the > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there." > > I say thanks, but no thanks. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <[5]asajay at asajay.com> > *To:* [6]detomaso at poca.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:39 AM > *Subject:* [DeTomaso] NPC: email replies > > As Chuck pointed out, most email packages allow you to reply either with > or without the text of the message you are replying to. That's an > all-or-nothing deal though. And as Will pointed out, if you don't > include at least -some- of what you are replying to, then it can > sometimes become confusing to the person reading the email. > > When replying and including the text of the email you are replying to, > some mailers allow you to begin your reply either before or after the > quoted text. Most folks put their -new- text before the older text, > like I'm doing here. > > Others, like Mike Drew, will add their comments directly beneath the > text they are replying to. This makes it easier and more > conversational; especially with Mike as he will typically divide an > email and answer pieces individually. I sometimes do the same thing but > it becomes a manual process. > > I believe the original question/complaint centered more around replying > only to the "latest" reply and not having several pages of prior > conversation. Unfortunately, this is not the all-or-nothing approach > most email software has. And the Mailman list software archives the > -entire- message, without tying to figure out exactly what text of each > email is the very latest and deleting all prior replies. It might be a > "cool" feature, but as Will points out, it could make it rather > frustrating when trying to follow a conversation when looking in the > archives without having to open every email going backwards to try and > figure out what was being discussed. > > I would venture the appropriate solution in this case is to move the > conversation on-line to the forum POCA has there. You can quickly see > each prior response and your reply is stand-alone unless you select > specific prior text to "quote." > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com <[8]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/> > [9]http://www.teampanteraracing.com <[10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/> > [11]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/20/2014 4:07 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: > > That's funny, I never thought about that. > > > > I prefer having everything in the most recent reply. I normally > skip over > > everything except for the most recent reply, so it irritates me when > > people delete the previous content. > > > > As I read e-mail, I delete it. Sometimes people reply from a 3-4 > day old > > thread, and I have to dig through my trash to figure out what was said > > previously. > > > > I never thought about how it would make the digest harder to read. > > > > Plus business e-mail doesn't use a digest, and most people I've worked > > with prefer to keep everything in the most recent reply. It makes it > > easier to follow the thought process, if you keep it intact. That's > why I > > never delete the previous content. > > > > > > On 3/19/14 11:46 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[12]asajay at asajay.com > > wrote: > > > >> No such animal in the Mailman mailing list software. Feel free to > code > >> one up though. :) > >> Asa Jay > >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > >> & Shelley Marie > >> Spokane, WA > >> ****************************** > >> [1][14]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > <[15]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/> > >> [2][16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com <[17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/> > >> [3][18]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > >> > >> On 3/19/2014 8:37 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton > >> <[4][19]asajay at asajay.com > wrote: > >> > >> Just do like I do, hit reply then highlight the majority of the email > >> and just delete it. > >> > >> Yep, that's usually what I do, too. But I'm trying to reduce the > volume > >> from other people who don't do that. It would be nice if there was an > >> option not to show all the previous emails you are responding to, > >> especially for people who use the daily summary. > >> Jeff > >> 6559 > >> _______________________________________________________________ > >> > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - [5][21]www.avg.com > >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: > >> 03/19/14 > >> > >> References > >> > >> 1. [22]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > >> 2. [23]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > >> 3. [24]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > >> 4. mailto:[25]asajay at asajay.com > >> 5. [27]http://www.avg.com/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >> > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [28]DeTomaso at poca.com > >> [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - [31]www.avg.com > > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6716 - Release Date: 03/19/14 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [32]DeTomaso at poca.com > [34]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [35]www.avg.com <[36]http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6723 - Release Date: 03/20/14 > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [37]DeTomaso at poca.com [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 2. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 4. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 8. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 9. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 10. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 11. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 12. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 13. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 14. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 15. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 16. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 17. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 18. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 19. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 20. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 21. http://www.avg.com/ 22. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 23. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 24. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 25. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 26. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 27. http://www.avg.com/ 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 31. http://www.avg.com/ 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 33. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 34. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 35. http://www.avg.com/ 36. http://www.avg.com/ 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jjdetrich at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 11:51:38 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:51:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > but by their > nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment > In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the car for what it is, perceptions be damned. Just my opinion. Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: but by their nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the car for what it is, perceptions be damned. Just my opinion. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Mar 21 12:08:49 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Concours stock Pantera for sale Message-ID: Hi guys, 3642 is for sale in Ohio. Looks to be a highly original, concours-class car: http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/eb7883fe284644bc80302ae9c34d5bac/197 2+detomaso+pantera+2-door+coupe.html Although they say 'call for price', the fellow who tipped me off says their original asking price is $99,900.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, 3642 is for sale in Ohio. Looks to be a highly original, concours-class car: http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/eb7883fe284644bc80302ae9c34d5ba c/1972+detomaso+pantera+2-door+coupe.html Although they say 'call for price', the fellow who tipped me off says their original asking price is $99,900.... Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Mar 21 12:09:47 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tach adapter with ready-to-run MSD distributor? Message-ID: Hi guys, I am trying to help a friend who just fitted a new distributor and lost tach function as an incidental result. I know that with a conventional MSD ignition system (with external box), you must fit a tach adapter to get the tach to work: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8920/overview/ However, he installed a 'ready to run' distributor: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8350/overview/ Do these, also, require the tach adapter? Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, I am trying to help a friend who just fitted a new distributor and lost tach function as an incidental result. I know that with a conventional MSD ignition system (with external box), you must fit a tach adapter to get the tach to work: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8920/overview/ However, he installed a 'ready to run' distributor: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8350/overview/ Do these, also, require the tach adapter? Mike From pantera at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 21 12:22:37 2014 From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:22:37 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Concours stock Pantera for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks to me like it has the U.S. GTS muffler tips added for whatever reason. Richard Austin, TX From: MikeDrew Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:08 AM To: deTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Concours stock Pantera for sale Hi guys, 3642 is for sale in Ohio. Looks to be a highly original, concours-class car: http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/eb7883fe284644bc80302ae9c34d5ba c/1972+detomaso+pantera+2-door+coupe.html Although they say 'call for price', the fellow who tipped me off says their original asking price is $99,900.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Looks to me like it has the U.S. GTS muffler tips added for whatever reason. Richard Austin, TX From: MikeDrew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:08 AM To: deTomaso List <[2]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Concours stock Pantera for sale Hi guys, 3642 is for sale in Ohio. Looks to be a highly original, concours-class car: [3]http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/eb7883fe284644bc80302ae9c34d 5ba c/1972+detomaso+pantera+2-door+coupe.html Although they say 'call for price', the fellow who tipped me off says their original asking price is $99,900.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/eb7883fe284644bc80302ae9c34d5ba 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Fri Mar 21 12:26:27 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:26:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Message-ID: Dear Jeff, A very nice socioeconomic post production history of the Pantera in a nutshell. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift > wrote: > >> but by their >> nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment >> > > In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they > were a > step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others bought > because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat anti-establishment > because > the car mags hade trashed the car so you bought it because it was good > performance and good value compared to the other cars out there - > 911s, > Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By the late 70s, it was going > downhill, > the stylish, gold chain crowd, but there were still owners who valued > the > performance. Unfortunately this is when most of the cars started to be > poorly maintained. The 90s started to bring back the buyer who was > looking > for performance and style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s > started to see the car making a comeback for what it was. People > started to > do better restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you > still > have to be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car > for > what it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of > more > traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or > another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. > > So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the > car > for what it is, perceptions be damned. > > Just my opinion. > > Jeff > 6559 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Fri Mar 21 15:23:27 2014 From: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk (Mikael) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:23:27 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tach adapter with ready-to-run MSD distributor? Message-ID: <20140321192327.5947541.86367.5481@mail.tele.dk> Sometimes ignition boxes have a separate wire for the tach, that wire won't work with our old tachs. That we know. But instead of buying an adaptor, sometimes you can just use the wire to the neg part of coil and ignore separate wire... depends on which brand box you have, worked for me recently when installing ICE on the Longchamp Sent from my BlackBerry Q10 ? Original Message ? From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Sent: fredag den 21. marts 2014 17.09 To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Tach adapter with ready-to-run MSD distributor? Hi guys, I am trying to help a friend who just fitted a new distributor and lost tach function as an incidental result. I know that with a conventional MSD ignition system (with external box), you must fit a tach adapter to get the tach to work: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8920/overview/ However, he installed a 'ready to run' distributor: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8350/overview/ Do these, also, require the tach adapter? Mike From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 15:29:23 2014 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (scott black) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta on line mention Message-ID: <1395430163.12314.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=29657&utm_source=2014-3-21&utm_medium=email&utm_content=html&utm_campaign=newsletter Scott Black ? TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com -------------- next part -------------- http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=29657&utm_source=20 14-3-21&utm_medium=email&utm_content=html&utm_campaign=newsletter Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com From dave at damardirect.com Fri Mar 21 15:35:20 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:35:20 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheels again In-Reply-To: References: <8D11293124497AE-1E48-3E29C@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Peter, The issue was not all 3-piece wheels. It was specifically the Hall 3-piece wheels. The poor construction was certainly not planned by Hall. The manufacturer created the issue. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Kirby Schrader [mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:48 PM To: Larry Finch Cc: Panteras Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wheels again Well..... As I mentioned before, my Etoile/Gotti three piece 15" wheels have been on my car since 1985. No problems. In fact, I'm using them for the race car now.... As with all things, if it's a quality well engineered and built product, there should be no problem. I am now using Kinesis wheels and they are bolt together 3 piece wheels. Bob Benson uses the same ones. No problems that I know of... FWIW, Kirby On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Larry Finch wrote: > Peter, > I know a lot of Panteras are equipped with bolt-together three-piece > wheels. I do hear of safety problems. > I know a lot of Panteras have two-piece welded wheels. I do not hear of > safety problems. > Questions bouncing around in my head: > Are those Forgeline bolt-together three-piece wheels DOT approved > wheels? > Same question for the "centerlock conversion" option. > In any case, are they designed for the high cornering forces > Pantera wheels face in a spirited drive? > (Is DOT approval really an issue? I believe most owners seem to > believe it isn't.) > And finally, IMHO, > As you have first hand evidence of a serious safety shortcoming of > bolt-together three-piece wheels, > why are you contemplating venturing down that road again? > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Fri Mar 21 15:41:42 2014 From: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk (Mikael) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:41:42 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Message-ID: <007e01cf453d$95d04650$c170d2f0$@mail.tele.dk> It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at fault for that accident. Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind again. But I have a different view of Senna now... Mvh/Regards Mikael From rcbsons1 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 15:58:27 2014 From: rcbsons1 at aol.com (rcbsons1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] 3 Piece wheels Message-ID: <8D113570EC2DD7B-960-44FBA@webmail-m268.sysops.aol.com> I as Kirby stated have been running Kinesis wheels for over 10 years.. Kirby helped me with type and sizing way back when I started down this Pantera Road I actually have two sets that I switch back and forth and until recently have been running Dot Road race tires on both sets on the street. I recently changed to a 200 wear rated tire (BFG Rivials) for the Optima challenge as they will not allow at tire with less rating than that No issues to date other than a brief run into a curb with two wheels.. cold tires and hitting it to hard.. fixed them and all good now I do remember when looking for wheels that if I was going to track the car do not buy any one piece cast wheels as they would not hold up to the g-forces of a race car and race tire... so three piece wheels they are I also have a set of Simons Racing wheels (3 piece) I have run on my autocross Firebird for over 23 years.. that car is run on the street and even harder autocrossing.. no issues to date... Autocrossing is harder on a drive train, valve train, engine, bearings, axels, spindals etc.. I have broken all of those at least once and some many times but the three piece wheels keep on working with no issues....with very sticky tires.. they were very pricey back in 1991 costing $2600 for the set which was a lot back then.. still now.. although $1000 wheels are quite common now My 2 cents- Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera -------------- next part -------------- I as Kirby stated have been running Kinesis wheels for over 10 years.. Kirby helped me with type and sizing way back when I started down this Pantera Road I actually have two sets that I switch back and forth and until recently have been running Dot Road race tires on both sets on the street. I recently changed to a 200 wear rated tire (BFG Rivials) for the Optima challenge as they will not allow at tire with less rating than that No issues to date other than a brief run into a curb with two wheels.. cold tires and hitting it to hard.. fixed them and all good now I do remember when looking for wheels that if I was going to track the car do not buy any one piece cast wheels as they would not hold up to the g-forces of a race car and race tire... so three piece wheels they are I also have a set of Simons Racing wheels (3 piece) I have run on my autocross Firebird for over 23 years.. that car is run on the street and even harder autocrossing.. no issues to date... Autocrossing is harder on a drive train, valve train, engine, bearings, axels, spindals etc.. I have broken all of those at least once and some many times but the three piece wheels keep on working with no issues....with very sticky tires.. they were very pricey back in 1991 costing $2600 for the set which was a lot back then.. still now.. although $1000 wheels are quite common now My 2 cents- Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera From SOBill at aol.com Fri Mar 21 16:01:12 2014 From: SOBill at aol.com (SOBill at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tach adapter with ready-to-run MSD distributor? Message-ID: The "tach output" wire from the ready-to-run will not operate the Pantera tach. The Pantera tach wire should be connected to the coil negative terminal ...... where the ready-to-run Orange wire goes. The ready-to-run "tach output" wire can be left unconnected to anything. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 3/21/2014 9:10:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MikeLDrew at aol.com writes: Hi guys, I am trying to help a friend who just fitted a new distributor and lost tach function as an incidental result. I know that with a conventional MSD ignition system (with external box), you must fit a tach adapter to get the tach to work: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8920/overview/ However, he installed a 'ready to run' distributor: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8350/overview/ Do these, also, require the tach adapter? -------------- next part -------------- The "tach output" wire from the ready-to-run will not operate the Pantera tach. The Pantera tach wire should be connected to the coil negative terminal ...... where the ready-to-run Orange wire goes. The ready-to-run "tach output" wire can be left unconnected to anything. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 3/21/2014 9:10:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MikeLDrew at aol.com writes: Hi guys, I am trying to help a friend who just fitted a new distributor and lost tach function as an incidental result. I know that with a conventional MSD ignition system (with external box), you must fit a tach adapter to get the tach to work: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8920/overview/ However, he installed a 'ready to run' distributor: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8350/overview/ Do these, also, require the tach adapter? From thomas at hax.se Fri Mar 21 16:24:59 2014 From: thomas at hax.se (thomas) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 21:24:59 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tach adapter with ready-to-run MSD distributor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E3F3967-8340-40AD-971E-9CAC085F4F8E@hax.se> The tach has a resistor in series with the input and if the amplitude of the signal is too weak it may work to bypass that resistor. That's how I got the tach to work with EDIS, with the signal (12V) that is normally used for the tach. It requires opening the tach though. Thomas > 21 mar 2014 kl. 21:01 skrev SOBill at aol.com: > > The "tach output" wire from the ready-to-run will not operate the > Pantera tach. The Pantera tach wire should be connected to the coil > negative terminal ...... where the ready-to-run Orange wire goes. The > ready-to-run "tach output" wire can be left unconnected to anything. > > > > The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. > Do the best you can with what your have where you are. > Have fun today! > SOBill > > In a message dated 3/21/2014 9:10:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > MikeLDrew at aol.com writes: > > Hi guys, > I am trying to help a friend who just fitted a new distributor and > lost > tach function as an incidental result. > I know that with a conventional MSD ignition system (with external > box), > you must fit a tach adapter to get the tach to work: > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8920/overview/ > However, he installed a 'ready to run' distributor: > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8350/overview/ > Do these, also, require the tach adapter? > > > !DSPAM:532c9ab1144052219129925! > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > !DSPAM:532c9ab1144052219129925! From gaino at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 16:34:39 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:34:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Message-ID: <8898098.1395434080061.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Senna would have been 54 today! -----Original Message----- >From: Mikael >Sent: Mar 21, 2014 3:41 PM >To: detomaso at poca.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > >It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You >think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna >movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's >death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a >reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the >movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the >Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not >going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole >a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, >I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at >fault for that accident. > >Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind >again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > >Mvh/Regards >Mikael > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Mar 21 17:24:06 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Tach adapter with ready-to-run MSD distributor? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/14 13 25 9, thomas at hax.se writes: > The tach has a resistor in series with the input and if the amplitude of > the signal is too weak it may work to bypass that resistor. That's how I > got the tach to work with EDIS, with the signal (12V) that is normally used > for the tach. > > It requires opening the tach though. > > >>>Lots of people have installed this ready-to-run setup with no problems in their Panteras--waiting for one of them to explain how they did it. I have one in my GT350 clone, and the tach wire worked the aftermarket tach just fine? So I'm confused.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/21/14 13 25 9, thomas at hax.se writes: The tach has a resistor in series with the input and if the amplitude of the signal is too weak it may work to bypass that resistor. That's how I got the tach to work with EDIS, with the signal (12V) that is normally used for the tach. It requires opening the tach though. >>>Lots of people have installed this ready-to-run setup with no problems in their Panteras--waiting for one of them to explain how they did it. I have one in my GT350 clone, and the tach wire worked the aftermarket tach just fine? So I'm confused.... Mike From jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com Fri Mar 21 19:01:54 2014 From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com (John Taphorn) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:01:54 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <532CC4E2.8020900@kingwoodcable.com> I grew up in upstate NY. While I was only about 11 or 12, my recollection was that everyone wanted a Pantera. I don't recall the mixed reviews dampening the ambitions of many people to own one. It was a hot car. Rather, it was the outrageous price of 11K which was almost twice the price of a big block Vette or a fully loaded Colony Park station wagon with a 429, that limited the buyers. Guess which car was in our driveway. :^( JT On 3/21/2014 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift > <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: > > but by their > nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment > > In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they > were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others > bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat > anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you > bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to > the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By > the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but > there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this > is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s > started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and > style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the > car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better > restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to > be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what > it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more > traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or > another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. > So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the > car for what it is, perceptions be damned. > Just my opinion. > Jeff > 6559 > > References > > 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I grew up in upstate NY. While I was only about 11 or 12, my recollection was that everyone wanted a Pantera. I don't recall the mixed reviews dampening the ambitions of many people to own one. It was a hot car. Rather, it was the outrageous price of 11K which was almost twice the price of a big block Vette or a fully loaded Colony Park station wagon with a 429, that limited the buyers. Guess which car was in our driveway. :^( JT On 3/21/2014 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift [1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: but by their nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the car for what it is, perceptions be damned. Just my opinion. Jeff 6559 References 1. [2]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 19:05:19 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:05:19 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <532CC4E2.8020900@kingwoodcable.com> References: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <532CC4E2.8020900@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: Wait. I'm good at word problems like this. Ummmmm?.. The station wagon? On 3/21/14 7:01 PM, "John Taphorn" wrote: > I grew up in upstate NY. While I was only about 11 or 12, my > recollection was that everyone wanted a Pantera. I don't recall the > mixed reviews dampening the ambitions of many people to own one. It > was a hot car. > Rather, it was the outrageous price of 11K which was almost twice the > price of a big block Vette or a fully loaded Colony Park station wagon > with a 429, that limited the buyers. > Guess which car was in our driveway. :^( > JT > > On 3/21/2014 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift > [1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: > > but by their > nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment > > In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they > were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others > bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat > anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you > bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to > the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By > the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but > there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this > is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s > started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and > style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the > car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better > restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to > be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what > it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more > traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or > another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. > So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the > car for what it is, perceptions be damned. > Just my opinion. > Jeff > 6559 > >References > > 1. [2]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >[3]DeTomaso at poca.com >[4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. mailto:[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From davel at emspace.com Fri Mar 21 19:13:09 2014 From: davel at emspace.com (dave londry) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:13:09 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: References: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <532CC4E2.8020900@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: <532CC785.4020805@emspace.com> Darn - the 429 is pretty wide to fit into the Pantera. On 21/03/2014 4:05 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: > Wait. I'm good at word problems like this. > > Ummmmm?.. The station wagon? > > On 3/21/14 7:01 PM, "John Taphorn" wrote: > >> I grew up in upstate NY. While I was only about 11 or 12, my >> recollection was that everyone wanted a Pantera. I don't recall the >> mixed reviews dampening the ambitions of many people to own one. It >> was a hot car. >> Rather, it was the outrageous price of 11K which was almost twice the >> price of a big block Vette or a fully loaded Colony Park station wagon >> with a 429, that limited the buyers. >> Guess which car was in our driveway. :^( >> JT >> >> On 3/21/2014 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift >> [1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> but by their >> nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment >> >> In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they >> were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others >> bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat >> anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you >> bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to >> the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By >> the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but >> there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this >> is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s >> started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and >> style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the >> car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better >> restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to >> be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what >> it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more >> traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or >> another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. >> So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the >> car for what it is, perceptions be damned. >> Just my opinion. >> Jeff >> 6559 >> >> References >> >> 1. [2]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [3]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com >> 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com >> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > From forestg at att.net Fri Mar 21 20:48:45 2014 From: forestg at att.net (Forest Goodhart) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online In-Reply-To: <532CC785.4020805@emspace.com> References: <1393965026.610.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <532CC4E2.8020900@kingwoodcable.com> <532CC785.4020805@emspace.com> Message-ID: <1395449325.19197.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ah, but it does fit. ________________________________ From: dave londry To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Darn - the 429 is pretty wide to fit into the Pantera. On 21/03/2014 4:05 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: > Wait.? I'm good at word problems like this. > > Ummmmm?..? ? The station wagon? > > On 3/21/14 7:01 PM, "John Taphorn" wrote: > >>? ? I grew up in upstate NY.? While I was only about 11 or 12, my >>? ? recollection was that everyone wanted a Pantera.? I don't recall the >>? ? mixed reviews dampening the ambitions of many people to own one.? It >>? ? was a hot car. >>? ? Rather, it was the outrageous price of 11K which was almost twice the >>? ? price of a big block Vette or a fully loaded Colony Park station wagon >>? ? with a 429, that limited the buyers. >>? ? Guess which car was in our driveway.? :^( >>? ? JT >> >>? ? On 3/21/2014 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >> >>? ? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift >>? ? [1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>? ? but by their >>? ? ? nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment >> >>? ? In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they >>? ? were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others >>? ? bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat >>? ? anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you >>? ? bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to >>? ? the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By >>? ? the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but >>? ? there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this >>? ? is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s >>? ? started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and >>? ? style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the >>? ? car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better >>? ? restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to >>? ? be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what >>? ? it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more >>? ? traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or >>? ? another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. >>? ? So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the >>? ? car for what it is, perceptions be damned. >>? ? Just my opinion. >>? ? Jeff >>? ? 6559 >> >> References >> >>? ? 1. [2]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [3]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >>? ? 1. mailto:[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com >>? ? 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com >>? ? 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >>? ? 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Ah, but it does fit. From: dave londry To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Road & Track online Darn - the 429 is pretty wide to fit into the Pantera. On 21/03/2014 4:05 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: > Wait. I'm good at word problems like this. > > UmmmmmAA .. The station wagon? > > On 3/21/14 7:01 PM, "John Taphorn" <[1]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote: > >> I grew up in upstate NY. While I was only about 11 or 12, my >> recollection was that everyone wanted a Pantera. I don't recall the >> mixed reviews dampening the ambitions of many people to own one. It >> was a hot car. >> Rather, it was the outrageous price of 11K which was almost twice the >> price of a big block Vette or a fully loaded Colony Park station wagon >> with a 429, that limited the buyers. >> Guess which car was in our driveway. :^( >> JT >> >> On 3/21/2014 10:51 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Julian Kift >> [1]<[1][2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> but by their >> nature they are regarded as somewhat anti-establishment >> >> In the early days, a lot of people bought new Panteras because they >> were a step up from the sports cars they were already driving. Others >> bought because it was stylish. You had to be somewhat >> anti-establishment because the car mags hade trashed the car so you >> bought it because it was good performance and good value compared to >> the other cars out there - 911s, Ferraris, E-types, Corvettes, etc. By >> the late 70s, it was going downhill, the stylish, gold chain crowd, but >> there were still owners who valued the performance. Unfortunately this >> is when most of the cars started to be poorly maintained. The 90s >> started to bring back the buyer who was looking for performance and >> style but the car was still an outlier. The 2000s started to see the >> car making a comeback for what it was. People started to do better >> restos and maintenance. And that continues today. But you still have to >> be somewhat of an anti-establishment type, ie, you buy the car for what >> it is, not for what it's perceived to be. And unlike a lot of more >> traditional car folks, most of us have modified the car in some way or >> another to make it a better, safer, more dependable driver. >> So call us "Rednecks." It may not be the word I'd use but we value the >> car for what it is, perceptions be damned. >> Just my opinion. >> Jeff >> 6559 >> >> References >> >> 1. [2]mailto:[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [3][4]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [4][5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:[1][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com >> 2. mailto:[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com >> 3. mailto:[8]DeTomaso at poca.com >> 4. [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [10]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [12]DeTomaso at poca.com > [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From oldwheel at shaw.ca Fri Mar 21 23:40:20 2014 From: oldwheel at shaw.ca (B. Seib) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 22:40:20 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Concours stock Pantera for sale Message-ID: Looks pretty nice from what you can see, but the speaker holes in the door panels sort of tarnish the "unmolested original" aspect a little bit. They might have to discount a little for that... Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hi guys, 3642 is for sale in Ohio. Looks to be a highly original, concours-class car: http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/eb7883fe284644bc80302ae9c34d5bac/197 2+detomaso+pantera+2-door+coupe.html Although they say 'call for price', the fellow who tipped me off says their original asking price is $99,900.... Mike From coreyjprice at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 01:14:48 2014 From: coreyjprice at gmail.com (Corey Price) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 23:14:48 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF Flange Studs Message-ID: <536348CA-0F84-40AB-9DC7-00652274B40A@gmail.com> I am really close to finishing my ZF project. I noticed a few cars with bolts from the ZF flange to the bellhousing on -2 transaxles instead of the stock studs and nuts. Is this common? Any downsides? I would use a shouldered bolt to keep things aligned if I did this. Also, wasn't there an ARP fastener that makes the starter easier to install? Corey From dtpantera at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 01:49:34 2014 From: dtpantera at gmail.com (Don Thomas) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 22:49:34 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] FelPro (new?) MLS head gaskets Message-ID: Has anyone used... what I think is new, the MLS (multi Layered Steel) FelPro head gaskets ? PN#1134 I have been using the FelPro #1013... Just wondering if the MLS are better for almost twice the cost ($62 over $32/ea) ??? Here is FelPro sales pitch brochure.. http://fme-cat.com/URLWindow.aspx?f=http://fme-cat.com/LiveDocs/HeadGaskets.pdf At least they look high tech. Best regards, -dt Don Thomas -------------- next part -------------- Has anyone used... what I think is new, the MLS (multi Layered Steel) FelPro head gaskets ? PN#1134 I have been using the FelPro #1013... Just wondering if the MLS are better for almost twice the cost ($62 over $32/ea) ??? Here is FelPro sales pitch brochure.. [1]http://fme-cat.com/URLWindow.aspx?f=http://fme-cat.com/LiveDocs/Head Gaskets.pdf At least they look high tech. Best regards, -dt Don Thomas References 1. http://fme-cat.com/URLWindow.aspx?f=http://fme-cat.com/LiveDocs/Head From charlesmccall at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 14:29:44 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:29:44 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction Message-ID: <035201cf46c5$de1910c0$9a4b3240$@gmail.com> About 2 months ago, Jonathan Root sold his Mangusta for something like $330,000USD, ?245,000 if I remember correctly. It is up for sale again in Monaco, in case you have some extra cash and would like another opportunity: http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 -------------- next part -------------- About 2 months ago, Jonathan Root sold his Mangusta for something like $330,000USD, EUR245,000 if I remember correctly. It is up for sale again in Monaco, in case you have some extra cash and would like another opportunity: [1]http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 References 1. http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Mar 23 14:49:43 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 11:49:43 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction In-Reply-To: <035201cf46c5$de1910c0$9a4b3240$@gmail.com> References: <035201cf46c5$de1910c0$9a4b3240$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Charlie, This is a different car! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:29, Charles McCall wrote: > About 2 months ago, Jonathan Root sold his Mangusta for something like > $330,000USD, EUR245,000 if I remember correctly. > > > It is up for sale again in Monaco, in case you have some extra cash and > would like another opportunity: > > [1]http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 > > References > > 1. http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From damaadams at aol.com Sun Mar 23 14:52:41 2014 From: damaadams at aol.com (Daryl Adams) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction In-Reply-To: <035201cf46c5$de1910c0$9a4b3240$@gmail.com> References: <035201cf46c5$de1910c0$9a4b3240$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D114E0344E42A1-2648-4AEE2@webmail-d254.sysops.aol.com> I hadn't noticed it before, but it looks like the ride height has been increased. -----Original Message----- From: Charles McCall To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 1:31 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction About 2 months ago, Jonathan Root sold his Mangusta for something like $330,000USD, EUR245,000 if I remember correctly. It is up for sale again in Monaco, in case you have some extra cash and would like another opportunity: [1]http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 References 1. http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I hadn't noticed it before, but it looks like the ride height has been increased. -----Original Message----- From: Charles McCall To: detomaso Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 1:31 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction About 2 months ago, Jonathan Root sold his Mangusta for something like $330,000USD, EUR245,000 if I remember correctly. It is up for sale again in Monaco, in case you have some extra cash and would like another opportunity: [1][1]http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 References 1. [2]http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 2. http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From charlesmccall at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 14:52:48 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:52:48 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction In-Reply-To: References: <035201cf46c5$de1910c0$9a4b3240$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <037101cf46c9$171581d0$45408570$@gmail.com> Oops! I stand corrected - it was the same, somewhat rare color but now that you mentioned it, Jonathan's was a '70 and this is a '69. Different VIN as well. Oh well - there is still a nice Goose up for auction! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: domingo, 23 de marzo de 2014 19:50 To: Charles McCall Cc: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta up for auction Charlie, This is a different car! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:29, Charles McCall wrote: > About 2 months ago, Jonathan Root sold his Mangusta for something like > $330,000USD, EUR245,000 if I remember correctly. > > > It is up for sale again in Monaco, in case you have some extra cash and > would like another opportunity: > > [1]http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 > > References > > 1. http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1065762 > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Sun Mar 23 21:05:16 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:05:16 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Message-ID: <003101cf46fd$1ea454b0$5becfe10$@net> Dear Forum, These excerpts are from Dan Neil's Wall St. Journal automotive column from March 22. Fiat 500L: the Rich Inner Life of a Gutless Clown Car "Last year, somewhere deep in the bowels of Fiat's Ufficio Stampa in Turin , Italy, an employee had a problem. On the screen was a news release about the first load of Fiat 500Ls arriving from Montenegro to the Port of Baltimore. He or she was obliged to write something pleasant about the car's driving. The "North American Fiat 500L delivers excellent performance and great driving pleasure," the person perjured blandly. "These enviable characteristics are made even more interesting by typical European handling and precise, responsive steering." Hmm, not so much. Actually, the 500L corners like the world's smallest '65 Pontiac Bonneville. At engine speeds below 2,250 rpm, there is no one home torque-wise. You hit the gas and time stands still, a la "The Matrix." And the six-speed manual gearbox is the vaguest, wobbliest such mechanism I've encountered since I was winning dance contests in my three piece suit. This thing isn't a transmission. It is an intermission. And yet it is fair to say the 500L drives exactly as designed. Indeed, the 500L's best qualities-a hip, high-style interior with scads of flexible space and utility---are aimed squarely at consumers who are, shall we say, driving-agnostic. The 500's cheery, anthropomorphic styling cues, as if drawn with a pencil nub, have been grafted on the much larger car, but the results are disquieting. If the tiny 500 is a glamorous flea of a city car, our pale yellow 500L test car looked a bit like an overinflated canary." Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- Dear Forum, These excerpts are from Dan Neil's Wall St. Journal automotive column from March 22. Fiat 500L: the Rich Inner Life of a Gutless Clown Car "Last year, somewhere deep in the bowels of Fiat's Ufficio Stampa in Turin , Italy, an employee had a problem. On the screen was a news release about the first load of Fiat 500Ls arriving from Montenegro to the Port of Baltimore. He or she was obliged to write something pleasant about the car's driving. The "North American Fiat 500L delivers excellent performance and great driving pleasure," the person perjured blandly. "These enviable characteristics are made even more interesting by typical European handling and precise, responsive steering." Hmm, not so much. Actually, the 500L corners like the world's smallest '65 Pontiac Bonneville. At engine speeds below 2,250 rpm, there is no one home torque-wise. You hit the gas and time stands still, a la "The Matrix." And the six-speed manual gearbox is the vaguest, wobbliest such mechanism I've encountered since I was winning dance contests in my three piece suit. This thing isn't a transmission. It is an intermission. And yet it is fair to say the 500L drives exactly as designed. Indeed, the 500L's best qualities--a hip, high-style interior with scads of flexible space and utility---are aimed squarely at consumers who are, shall we say, driving-agnostic. The 500's cheery, anthropomorphic styling cues, as if drawn with a pencil nub, have been grafted on the much larger car, but the results are disquieting. If the tiny 500 is a glamorous flea of a city car, our pale yellow 500L test car looked a bit like an overinflated canary." Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From demongusta at me.com Mon Mar 24 00:09:26 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (John Donahue) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:09:26 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: FIND YOUR FIRST CAR. GREAT WEBSITE FOR CAR LOVERS References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Martin Johnson > Date: March 23, 2014 at 3:57:22 AM PDT > To: Jack > Subject: Fw: FIND YOUR FIRST CAR. GREAT WEBSITE FOR CAR LOVERS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Wallace > To: Justin Wallace ; John Johnson ; pfostersc at comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:41 PM > Subject: FW: FIND YOUR FIRST CAR. GREAT WEBSITE FOR CAR LOVERS > > > > > > Find your first car or the one you drove to high school or college; > hopefully your car brochure is available. This has to be one of the > neatest web sites whether you have gasoline in your veins or not. > > This is a website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every American car you have ever owned. > > Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model. > > http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html > > -------------- next part -------------- Begin forwarded message: From: Martin Johnson <[1]johnmj44 at hotmail.com> Date: March 23, 2014 at 3:57:22 AM PDT To: Jack <[2]demongusta at me.com> Subject: Fw: FIND YOUR FIRST CAR. GREAT WEBSITE FOR CAR LOVERS ----- Original Message ----- From: [3]Richard Wallace To: [4]Justin Wallace ; [5]John Johnson ; [6]pfostersc at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: FW: FIND YOUR FIRST CAR. GREAT WEBSITE FOR CAR LOVERS __________________________________________________________________ Find your first car or the one you drove to high school or college; hopefully your car brochure is available. This has to be one of the neatest web sites whether you have gasoline in your veins or not. This is a website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every American car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model. http://[7]www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html References 1. mailto:johnmj44 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:demongusta at me.com 3. mailto:rcw_1240 at hotmail.com 4. mailto:dad2jjnk at gmail.com 5. mailto:johnmj44 at hotmail.com 6. mailto:pfostersc at comcast.net 7. http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 24 00:55:51 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 00:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Message-ID: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike From cengles at cox.net Mon Mar 24 09:51:44 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:51:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Message-ID: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net> Dear Mikael, By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed my mind after seeing the movie. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. > You > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > Senna > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was > a > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > the > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > not > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > winning pole > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in > mind, > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > were at > fault for that accident. > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my > mind > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > Mvh/Regards > Mikael > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Dear Mikael, By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed my mind after seeing the movie. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at > fault for that accident. > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > Mvh/Regards > Mikael > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Mon Mar 24 10:25:51 2014 From: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk (Mikael) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:25:51 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net> References: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net> Message-ID: <007601cf476c$fcac8b00$f605a100$@mail.tele.dk> Great minds think alike? Mikael Fra: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net] Sendt: 24. marts 2014 14:52 Til: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Cc: detomaso at poca.com Emne: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Dear Mikael, By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed my mind after seeing the movie. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at > fault for that accident. > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > Mvh/Regards > Mikael > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com Ingen virus fundet i denne meddelelse. Kontrolleret af AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virusdatabase: 3722/7238 - Udgivelsesdato: 23-03-2014 -------------- next part -------------- Great minds think alike... Mikael Fra: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net] Sendt: 24. marts 2014 14:52 Til: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Cc: detomaso at poca.com Emne: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Dear Mikael, By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed my mind after seeing the movie. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at > fault for that accident. > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > Mvh/Regards > Mikael > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [1]DeTomaso at poca.com > [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com Ingen virus fundet i denne meddelelse. Kontrolleret af AVG - [3]www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virusdatabase: 3722/7238 - Udgivelsesdato: 23-03-2014 References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 3. http://www.avg.com/ From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Mar 24 10:41:44 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:41:44 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> References: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <40FFAED4F42247B2BA20CD00266181CC@LarryHPPC> Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every month from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and less till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy going back to re-read the old issues. Car art by words. Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike From boyd411 at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 11:53:38 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:53:38 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Message-ID: Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panterassold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd -------------- next part -------------- Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd From tmshinro at aol.com Mon Mar 24 12:05:20 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey To: detomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey To: detomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Mon Mar 24 12:10:52 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:10:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Message-ID: <1d80525.8a81f.144f4dbdab8.Webtop.0@cox.net> Dear Larry, Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think alike. I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and repairing sports cars. My opinion. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every > month > from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less > and less > till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy > going > back to re-read the old issues. > Car art by words. > > > > Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > MikeLDrew at aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM > To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > Chuck, > > Brilliant stuff. > > To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism > have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where > the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was > reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the > outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single > writer in that magazine had a > marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that > would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. > > Sad.... > > Mike From vinh.d.ly at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 12:12:38 2014 From: vinh.d.ly at gmail.com (Vinh Ly) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:12:38 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: NADA has a classic car value section, just plug in your year: http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1989/De-Tomaso Also, I know professional appraisers use the following references which I do not have access: 1) Cars Of Particular Interest 2) Cars That Matter 3) Old Cars Price Report Guide Vinh Ly '75 Euro GTS #7445 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tom Shinrock wrote: > I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I > decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted > to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car > price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember > what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your > sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect > the cost of upgrades you made though. > Tom > 5186 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyd Casey > To: detomaso > Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Greetings, > I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to > increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new > suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the > insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over > the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything > that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place > or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent > sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of > the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I > believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this > would be greatly appreciated. > Boyd > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [1]DeTomaso at poca.com > [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- NADA has a classic car value section, just plug in your year: [1]http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1989/De-Tomaso Also, I know professional appraisers use the following references which I do not have access: 1) Cars Of Particular Interest 2) Cars That Matter 3) Old Cars Price Report Guide Vinh Ly '75 Euro GTS #7445 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tom Shinrock <[2]tmshinro at aol.com> wrote: I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1][5]DeTomaso at poca.com [2][6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[7]DeTomaso at poca.com 2. [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1989/De-Tomaso 2. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Mar 24 12:28:39 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:28:39 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Vinh is correct. IMHO you need to get a professional appraiser to better guarantee that you will collect from most weasel insurance companies whos main goal in life is to NOT pay you what your car is really worth. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Vinh Ly > Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:12 AM To: Tom Shinrock > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value NADA has a classic car value section, just plug in your year: http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1989/De-Tomaso Also, I know professional appraisers use the following references which I do not have access: 1) Cars Of Particular Interest 2) Cars That Matter 3) Old Cars Price Report Guide Vinh Ly '75 Euro GTS #7445 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tom Shinrock > wrote: I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey > To: detomaso > Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Vinh is correct. IMHO you need to get a professional appraiser to better guarantee that you will collect from most weasel insurance companies whos main goal in life is to NOT pay you what your car is really worth. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Vinh Ly <[2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:12 AM To: Tom Shinrock <[3]tmshinro at aol.com> Cc: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value NADA has a classic car value section, just plug in your year: [6]http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1989/De-Tomaso Also, I know professional appraisers use the following references which I do not have access: 1) Cars Of Particular Interest 2) Cars That Matter 3) Old Cars Price Report Guide Vinh Ly '75 Euro GTS #7445 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tom Shinrock <[7]tmshinro at aol.com> wrote: I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[9]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1][10]DeTomaso at poca.com [2][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [12]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 3. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1989/De-Tomaso 7. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 8. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Mar 24 12:41:11 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:41:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com From: tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey To: detomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com From: tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey To: detomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From boyd411 at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 13:01:04 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:01:04 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJsounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L > valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic > car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. > > Julian > > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > From: tmshinro at aol.com > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (maybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the guide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. > > Tom > 5186 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyd Casey > To: detomaso > Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > Greetings, > I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to > increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new > suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the > insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over > the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything > that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place > or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent > sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of > the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I > believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this > would be greatly appreciated. > Boyd > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by > POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com From: [4]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 13:14:21 2014 From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com (Arjun Ghosh-Dastidar) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic is one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fixed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Nationwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go above that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 cars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is > a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which > are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a > subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. > I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole > expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my > insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. > Boyd > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift > <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera > L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for > classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. > > Julian > > To: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com > From: [4]tmshinro at aol.com > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided > to up > my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase > value to > $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it > showed > the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide > was (m > aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect > the g > uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. > > > Tom > 5186 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> > To: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > Greetings, > I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to > increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new > > suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the > insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over > the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything > > that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place > or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent > sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of > > the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I > believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this > would be greatly appreciated. > Boyd > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 4. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com > 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic is one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fixed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Nationwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go above that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 cars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1][2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2][3]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3][4]detomaso at poca.com From: [4][5]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5][6]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6][7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][8]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9][10]DeTomaso at poca.com [10][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:[13]boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:[15]tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:[16]boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:[17]detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:[18]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:[20]DeTomaso at poca.com 10. [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [22]DeTomaso at poca.com [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 6. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 13. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 16. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rob at dumoulins.net Mon Mar 24 13:27:32 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: <1d80525.8a81f.144f4dbdab8.Webtop.0@cox.net> References: <1d80525.8a81f.144f4dbdab8.Webtop.0@cox.net> Message-ID: Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for the same reasons. Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > Dear Larry, > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > alike. > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every >> month >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and >> less >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy >> going >> back to re-read the old issues. >> Car art by words. >> >> >> >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >> MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> Chuck, >> >> Brilliant stuff. >> >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. >> >> Sad.... >> >> Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for the same reasons. Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob at dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, <[4]cengles at cox.net> wrote: Dear Larry, Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think alike. I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and repairing sports cars. My opinion. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every month from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and less till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy going back to re-read the old issues. Car art by words. Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of [6]MikeLDrew at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM To: [7]cengles at cox.net; [8]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:cengles at cox.net 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:cengles at cox.net 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Mar 24 13:42:56 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:42:56 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: , <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com>, , , Message-ID: I'm with the BJ endorsed program, it is underwritten by AIG now that TDS got acquired by AIG. It is by far the cheapest option I have found and I have 5 cars with them, before that I was with American Collectors and halved my insurance bill with the switch. Julian Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com To: boyd411 at gmail.com CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic is one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fixed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Nationwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go above that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 cars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com From: [4]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I'm with the BJ endorsed program, it is underwritten by AIG now that TDS got acquired by AIG. It is by far the cheapest option I have found and I have 5 cars with them, before that I was with American Collectors and halved my insurance bill with the switch. Julian __________________________________________________________________ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com To: boyd411 at gmail.com CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic is one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fixed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Nationwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go above that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 cars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1][2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2][3]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3][4]detomaso at poca.com From: [4][5]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5][6]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6][7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][8]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9][10]DeTomaso at poca.com [10][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:[13]boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:[15]tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:[16]boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:[17]detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:[18]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:[20]DeTomaso at poca.com 10. [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [22]DeTomaso at poca.com [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 6. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 13. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 16. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lashdeep at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 14:15:05 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> References: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor ? Chuck, ? Brilliant stuff. ? To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism ? have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where ? the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time.? I was ? reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the ? outstanding prose contained therein.? Not just one, but every single ? writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing ? with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to ? virtually all writers today. ? Sad.... ? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From pantera at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 24 14:42:44 2014 From: pantera at austin.rr.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:42:44 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Problem Update Message-ID: All, Bill Bitner came over to help with diagnosing the wiper problem and helping me install a Jon Haas fuse panel. I found a terminal with two green wires that appeared to be female, but actually also had a male component that another terminal was connected to with a red/black wire. We separated the two and with a continuity check found that it was the wire going from the fuse panel to the wiper switch. I can't be sure, but it appears that it might have been connected to the panel and was paired up and providing power to two circuits. We looked on the wiring diagram and only found one red/black wire coming off the fuse panel to power the headlight motor. At this point, we swapped out the OE fuse box for the PE fuse panel, but still had the double green wire and the red/black wires to deal with. We connected the green wire per the PE instructions and I now have wipers! Before connecting up the red/black wire, Bill strongly suggested trying the headlights first because while the wipers weren't working, the headlights had been. They worked despite the red/black wire hanging loose. I haven't gone into the front left fender panel to look at the colors of the wires at the motor yet. Next project will be to install the PE headlight panel, but that will be more challenging. Many years ago, I had the "Mike Drew" headlight relay kit installed, so I don't get to start from the factory setup. If I run into problems, I'll have to email Jon and beg for help? Like everyone else has reported, Jon's fuse panel is really cool. My finger tips will be hurting for another day or so I'm sure, but what an improvement. I won't have to worry about a fuse simply refusing to work, pulling over, and spinning the darn things again. I haven't figured out why I lost all power to the lights, flashers, horn, blinker, etc., during my last test drive yet, but I also haven't tried duplicating the problem. Bill made a good suggestion which I'll do next?remove, clean, and replace the shunt I have across the back of my amp gauge. I couldn't find anything wrong with the ground stud under the dash on the driver's side. Years ago, I added a line from there to the steering column to add another contact point in the bundle. It probably does nothing but make me feel like I tried to help. Richard Austin, TX -------------- next part -------------- All, Bill Bitner came over to help with diagnosing the wiper problem and helping me install a Jon Haas fuse panel. I found a terminal with two green wires that appeared to be female, but actually also had a male component that another terminal was connected to with a red/black wire. We separated the two and with a continuity check found that it was the wire going from the fuse panel to the wiper switch. I can't be sure, but it appears that it might have been connected to the panel and was paired up and providing power to two circuits. We looked on the wiring diagram and only found one red/black wire coming off the fuse panel to power the headlight motor. At this point, we swapped out the OE fuse box for the PE fuse panel, but still had the double green wire and the red/black wires to deal with. We connected the green wire per the PE instructions and I now have wipers! Before connecting up the red/black wire, Bill strongly suggested trying the headlights first because while the wipers weren't working, the headlights had been. They worked despite the red/black wire hanging loose. I haven't gone into the front left fender panel to look at the colors of the wires at the motor yet. Next project will be to install the PE headlight panel, but that will be more challenging. Many years ago, I had the "Mike Drew" headlight relay kit installed, so I don't get to start from the factory setup. If I run into problems, I'll have to email Jon and beg for help... Like everyone else has reported, Jon's fuse panel is really cool. My finger tips will be hurting for another day or so I'm sure, but what an improvement. I won't have to worry about a fuse simply refusing to work, pulling over, and spinning the darn things again. I haven't figured out why I lost all power to the lights, flashers, horn, blinker, etc., during my last test drive yet, but I also haven't tried duplicating the problem. Bill made a good suggestion which I'll do next--remove, clean, and replace the shunt I have across the back of my amp gauge. I couldn't find anything wrong with the ground stud under the dash on the driver's side. Years ago, I added a line from there to the steering column to add another contact point in the bundle. It probably does nothing but make me feel like I tried to help. Richard Austin, TX From rcbsons1 at aol.com Mon Mar 24 15:22:32 2014 From: rcbsons1 at aol.com (rcbsons1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Senna Message-ID: <8D115AD8878863A-242C-51A8E@webmail-vm025.sysops.aol.com> Senna was one of my favorite drivers... he was a master in the Rain... either knew what he was doing or had bigger balls then the rest I almost bought a signed Senna helmet years back.. been kicking myself ever since Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera -------------- next part -------------- Senna was one of my favorite drivers... he was a master in the Rain... either knew what he was doing or had bigger balls then the rest I almost bought a signed Senna helmet years back.. been kicking myself ever since Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Mar 24 15:49:37 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:49:37 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Senna In-Reply-To: <8D115AD8878863A-242C-51A8E@webmail-vm025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D115AD8878863A-242C-51A8E@webmail-vm025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <79B4D4ED691D44A19C7E0C61DED5523B@LarryHPPC> George Follmer was another great one in the rain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Follmer In 75 I was at the Long Beach GP (F5000). I jumped the fence and ran across the track to get into the pits after the race. Looking back to see if I was going to be nabbed, I turned back and ran right into George. It was like I hit a wall. He did not say a thing. Larry (dam 39 years ago) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of rcbsons1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 3:23 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Senna Senna was one of my favorite drivers... he was a master in the Rain... either knew what he was doing or had bigger balls then the rest I almost bought a signed Senna helmet years back.. been kicking myself ever since Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Mar 24 16:13:34 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] CORRAL AT MONTEREY Message-ID: <8D115B4AAA3A732-1E48-53110@webmail-m224.sysops.aol.com> PLEASE NOTE - In case you haven't heard, Concorso Italiano has moved from Friday to Saturday. Keep this in mind when deciding on your attendance to the Motorsports Reunion at Laguna Seca. There will again be a de Tomaso parking corral at the 2014Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion this coming August 15-17. As was initiated last year, Laguna Seca is handling in-houseall corral parking ticket purchases. The days of the various marques handling the corral and admissiontickets are over. ALL corral passes and spectator tickets must be purchaseddirectly from Laguna Seca. This is done online (or by telephone) by each individualbuyer. To complete the process online, you will need to not onlycreate a Mazda Raceway account for your order, but then create a Ticketmasteraccount to process your payment. To order, go to: http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ Click on the ?BUY TICKETS? link in upper right corner.Scroll down to the Motorsports Reunion section, read the information, and againclick the ?GET TICKETS? link. Select your admission tickets. One ticket for each person. Thenscroll down to find ?Corral Parking? and ?Pantera corral?. One 3-day pass foreach vehicle. The pass DOES NOT include admission. Make your selections and then click the ?ADD TO CART? link. Now you will get a pop-up window and have to create yourMazda Raceway account. Once that is accomplished, you will see your order details.Select your delivery preference: ?standard? is USPS mail delivery. Note thereis one $10.00 per order fee. Next, click the ?CHECKOUT? link. This will take you to the Ticketmaster payment page whereyou again get to fill in multiple sections to create your account. Click the ?SUBMIT ORDER? link. You?re done with your order. Tickets will arrive at your delivery address prior to theevent. PLEASE NOTE: I have always cautioned those attending inBRAND X cars that the corral is officially ONLY for cars of our Marque. Whileprevious enforcement of that rule has been non-existent, this year you may findyour BRAND X cars denied corral area entry. You can avoid that disappointmentby buying a VIP Parking ticket for $75.00, which allows 3-day parking inanother flat, paved area near to the corrals. Larry Finch -------------- next part -------------- PLEASE NOTE - In case you haven't heard, Concorso Italiano has moved from Friday to Saturday. Keep this in mind when deciding on your attendance to the Motorsports Reunion at Laguna Seca. There will again be a de Tomaso parking corral at the 2014 Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion this coming August 15-17. As was initiated last year, Laguna Seca is handling in-house all corral parking ticket purchases. The days of the various marques handling the corral and admission tickets are over. ALL corral passes and spectator tickets must be purchased directly from Laguna Seca. This is done online (or by telephone) by each individual buyer. To complete the process online, you will need to not only create a Mazda Raceway account for your order, but then create a Ticketmaster account to process your payment. To order, go to: [1]http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ Click on the aBUY TICKETSa link in upper right corner. Scroll down to the Motorsports Reunion section, read the information, and again click the aGET TICKETSa link. Select your admission tickets. One ticket for each person. Then scroll down to find aCorral Parkinga and aPantera corrala. One 3-day pass for each vehicle. The pass DOES NOT include admission. Make your selections and then click the aADD TO CARTa link. Now you will get a pop-up window and have to create your Mazda Raceway account. Once that is accomplished, you will see your order details. Select your delivery preference: astandarda is USPS mail delivery. Note there is one $10.00 per order fee. Next, click the aCHECKOUTa link. This will take you to the Ticketmaster payment page where you again get to fill in multiple sections to create your account. Click the aSUBMIT ORDERa link. Youare done with your order. Tickets will arrive at your delivery address prior to the event. PLEASE NOTE: I have always cautioned those attending in BRAND X cars that the corral is officially ONLY for cars of our Marque. While previous enforcement of that rule has been non-existent, this year you may find your BRAND X cars denied corral area entry. You can avoid that disappointment by buying a VIP Parking ticket for $75.00, which allows 3-day parking in another flat, paved area near to the corrals. Larry Finch References 1. http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 16:18:31 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:18:31 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? Message-ID: Initial guess is Connecticut . (yes, this is the clearest pic I received.) The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- [cid:image002.jpg at 01CF4762.A1C6A130] Initial guess is Connecticut ... (yes, this is the clearest pic I received.) The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11665 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael at michaelshortt.com Mon Mar 24 16:39:01 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:39:01 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is that an Idaho plate? Michael On Mar 24, 2014 4:30 PM, "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" < detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01CF4762.A1C6A130] > > > > Initial guess is Connecticut ... > > > (yes, this is the clearest pic I received.) > > > > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > > References > > 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Is that an Idaho plate? Michael On Mar 24, 2014 4:30 PM, "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" <[1]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: [cid:image002.jpg at 01CF4762.A1C6A130] Initial guess is Connecticut ... (yes, this is the clearest pic I received.) The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1][2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. [3]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com 2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 3. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tbaranek at earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 17:46:37 2014 From: tbaranek at earthlink.net (Tom Baranek) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:46:37 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Message-ID: I have not seen the movie...but the NSX guys hold Senna in the highest regards! Tom Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:51:44 +0000 (GMT) From: cengles at cox.net To: mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Message-ID: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Dear Mikael, By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed my mind after seeing the movie. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- I have not seen the movie...but the NSX guys hold Senna in the highest regards! Tom Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:51:44 +0000 (GMT) From: [1]cengles at cox.net To: [2]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna Message-ID: <[4]1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Dear Mikael, By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed my mind after seeing the movie. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles References 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmpf6sfeE.html 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmpf6sfeE.html 3. file://localhost/tmp/tmpf6sfeE.html 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpf6sfeE.html From rcbsons1 at aol.com Mon Mar 24 16:44:58 2014 From: rcbsons1 at aol.com (rcbsons1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Senna In-Reply-To: <79B4D4ED691D44A19C7E0C61DED5523B@LarryHPPC> References: <8D115AD8878863A-242C-51A8E@webmail-vm025.sysops.aol.com> <79B4D4ED691D44A19C7E0C61DED5523B@LarryHPPC> Message-ID: <8D115B90DAB4BA4-242C-52375@webmail-vm025.sysops.aol.com> Folmer I just got his new book for my birthday need to look at it... he was doing a Historical race at Laguna many years back (they had the real drivers then) and was banging fenders with someone yes the old timers drove the wheels and fenders off the cars Bob -----Original Message----- From: Larry - Ohio Time To: rcbsons1 Cc: detomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:49 pm Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Senna George Follmer was another great one in the rain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Follmer In 75 I was at the Long Beach GP (F5000). I jumped the fence and ran across the track to get into the pits after the race. Looking back to see if I was going to be nabbed, I turned back and ran right into George. It was like I hit a wall. He did not say a thing. Larry (dam 39 years ago) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of rcbsons1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 3:23 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Senna Senna was one of my favorite drivers... he was a master in the Rain... either knew what he was doing or had bigger balls then the rest I almost bought a signed Senna helmet years back.. been kicking myself ever since Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera -------------- next part -------------- Folmer I just got his new book for my birthday need to look at it... he was doing a Historical race at Laguna many years back (they had the real drivers then) and was banging fenders with someone yes the old timers drove the wheels and fenders off the cars Bob -----Original Message----- From: Larry - Ohio Time To: rcbsons1 Cc: detomaso Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:49 pm Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Senna George Follmer was another great one in the rain. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Follmer In 75 I was at the Long Beach GP (F5000). I jumped the fence and ran across the track to get into the pits after the race. Looking back to see if I was going to be nabbed, I turned back and ran right into George. It was like I hit a wall. He did not say a thing. Larry (dam 39 years ago) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of [3]rcbsons1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 3:23 PM To: [4]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Senna Senna was one of my favorite drivers... he was a master in the Rain... either knew what he was doing or had bigger balls then the rest I almost bought a signed Senna helmet years back.. been kicking myself ever since Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Follmer 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com? 3. mailto:rcbsons1 at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Mar 24 16:44:56 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:44:56 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be my guess [cid:B3A537AF-5652-48AF-9F45-76CAD1C414DD] Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:39 PM To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy > Cc: List DeTomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? Is that an Idaho plate? Michael On Mar 24, 2014 4:30 PM, "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" < detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: [cid:image002.jpg at 01CF4762.A1C6A130] Initial guess is Connecticut ... (yes, this is the clearest pic I received.) The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- That would be my guess [cid:B3A537AF-5652-48AF-9F45-76CAD1C414DD] Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:39 PM To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[4]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> Cc: List DeTomaso <[5]Detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? Is that an Idaho plate? Michael On Mar 24, 2014 4:30 PM, "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" < [6]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: [cid:[7]image002.jpg at 01CF4762.A1C6A130] Initial guess is Connecticut ... (yes, this is the clearest pic I received.) The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1][8]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. [9]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com 5. mailto:Detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com 7. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CF4762.A1C6A130 8. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 9. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Mikael To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at fault for that accident. Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind again. But I have a different view of Senna now... Mvh/Regards Mikael _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- It is a shame that the strongest memories of a driver will be the standings and not the actual details involved with the season as you have pointed out. I felt the same when Massa was going to win the title and Glock mysteriously lost pace at the last corner of the last lap of the last race of the season. Hmm.. Back to Senna...one of the greatest driver ever. He revolutionized driving and modernized it. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Mikael To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at fault for that accident. Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind again. But I have a different view of Senna now... Mvh/Regards Mikael _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Mar 24 17:05:00 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 21:05:00 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: <1395694604.31831.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <007e01cf453d$95d04650$c170d2f0$@mail.tele.dk> <1395694604.31831.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Being a simple lug-nut here? How did he "revolutionized driving and modernized it" ?? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: LS > Reply-To: LS > Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:56 PM To: Mikael >, "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna It is a shame that the strongest memories of a driver will be the standings and not the actual details involved with the season as you have pointed out. I felt the same when Massa was going to win the title and Glock mysteriously lost pace at the last corner of the last lap of the last race of the season. Hmm.. Back to Senna...one of the greatest driver ever. He revolutionized driving and modernized it. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Mikael > To: detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at fault for that accident. Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind again. But I have a different view of Senna now... Mvh/Regards Mikael _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Being a simple lug-nut here... How did he "revolutionized driving and modernized it" ?? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: LS <[2]lashdeep at yahoo.com> Reply-To: LS <[3]lashdeep at yahoo.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:56 PM To: Mikael <[4]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>, "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna It is a shame that the strongest memories of a driver will be the standings and not the actual details involved with the season as you have pointed out. I felt the same when Massa was going to win the title and Glock mysteriously lost pace at the last corner of the last lap of the last race of the season. Hmm.. Back to Senna...one of the greatest driver ever. He revolutionized driving and modernized it. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Mikael <[7]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> To: [8]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my age. You think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the Senna movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after Senna's death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he was a reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen the movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for not going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna winning pole a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that in mind, I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both were at fault for that accident. Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change my mind again. But I have a different view of Senna now... Mvh/Regards Mikael _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 3. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 4. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From spkorb at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 17:44:58 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:44:58 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Barn find Pantera Message-ID: Hmph. There be Pantera here... http://barnfinds.com/the-north-carolina-find-miscellaneous-makes/ -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- Hmph. There be Pantera here... [1]http://barnfinds.com/the-north-carolina-find-miscellaneous-makes/ -- Sean Korb [2]spkorb at spkorb.org [3]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. http://barnfinds.com/the-north-carolina-find-miscellaneous-makes/ 2. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 3. http://www.spkorb.org/ From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 18:15:00 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:15:00 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EC70A06585849789520B3736B5E5179@BOSS3A> It has also been suggested that it is Ohio. If this helps, the plate dates back to 2009 I was told. Chuck _____ From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:45 PM To: michael at michaelshortt.com; The DeTomaso Registry Guy Cc: List DeTomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? That would be my guess -------------- next part -------------- It has also been suggested that it is Ohio. If this helps, the plate dates back to 2009 I was told. Chuck _______________________________________________________________________ From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:45 PM To: michael at michaelshortt.com; The DeTomaso Registry Guy Cc: List DeTomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do U Recognize this plate ? That would be my guess From arkoch at earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 18:24:43 2014 From: arkoch at earthlink.net (Dick Koch) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:24:43 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 2014 F1 rules explained in a cool way Message-ID: <5330B0AB.5070108@earthlink.net> Automotive Technology - never ending improvements and sophistication. Whether or not you are into F! racing or any type of racing, I think you will enjoy the Red Bull team's explanation of the 2014 rule changes and comparison to 2013, all in a great way in this fabulous video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Bb9KkQwKM&feature=youtu.be Dick Koch - Atlanta From jjdetrich at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 19:19:18 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:19:18 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > IMHO you need to get a professional appraiser to better guarantee that > you will > collect from most weasel insurance companies whos main goal in life is > to NOT pay you what your car is really worth. > S/ not be a problem if you have an agreed value policy. Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: IMHO you need to get a professional appraiser to better guarantee that you will collect from most weasel insurance companies whos main goal in life is to NOT pay you what your car is really worth. S/ not be a problem if you have an agreed value policy. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov From jjdetrich at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 19:34:13 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:34:13 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Best humor was and is Autoweek all the way back to Satch Carlson in the 60s-70s to Cory Farley today. They also had great ads until the internet burst on the scene. And what about Automobile. David E Davis, Robert Cumberford, et al. Good writing! Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- Best humor was and is Autoweek all the way back to Satch Carlson in the 60s-70s to Cory Farley today. They also had great ads until the internet burst on the scene. And what about Automobile. David E Davis, Robert Cumberford, et al. Good writing! Jeff 6559 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 24 20:36:43 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 2014 F1 rules explained in a cool way Message-ID: <18481.961a06c.4062299b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/24/14 15 26 33, arkoch at earthlink.net writes: > Automotive Technology - never ending improvements and sophistication. > > Whether or not you are into F! racing or any type of racing, I think you > will enjoy the Red Bull team's explanation of the 2014 rule changes and > comparison to 2013, all in a great way in this fabulous video. > >>>How ironic that they were disqualified from the first race of the season for failing to follow the rules! They found them too restrictive and so chose to ignore them, their cars were faster as a result, so they won. And then were disqualified. And now they are appealing.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/24/14 15 26 33, arkoch at earthlink.net writes: Automotive Technology - never ending improvements and sophistication. Whether or not you are into F! racing or any type of racing, I think you will enjoy the Red Bull team's explanation of the 2014 rule changes and comparison to 2013, all in a great way in this fabulous video. >>>How ironic that they were disqualified from the first race of the season for failing to follow the rules! They found them too restrictive and so chose to ignore them, their cars were faster as a result, so they won. And then were disqualified. And now they are appealing.... Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 24 20:36:45 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiper Problem Update Message-ID: <18484.58208e7f.4062299d@aol.com> In a message dated 3/24/14 11 43 56, pantera at austin.rr.com writes: > Many years ago, I had the "Mike Drew" headlight relay kit > installed, so I don't get to start from the factory setup. > >>>I think you're talking about the Rick Moseley kit? Or, did you do it in DIY fashion from the article that I co-wrote years and years ago, which appears on the Panteraplace website? I take no credit for the idea or the design--all I did was verbalize (well, type out) what others had innovated. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/24/14 11 43 56, pantera at austin.rr.com writes: Many years ago, I had the "Mike Drew" headlight relay kit installed, so I don't get to start from the factory setup. >>>I think you're talking about the Rick Moseley kit? Or, did you do it in DIY fashion from the article that I co-wrote years and years ago, which appears on the Panteraplace website? I take no credit for the idea or the design--all I did was verbalize (well, type out) what others had innovated. Mike From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 20:56:46 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:56:46 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 2014 F1 rules explained in a cool way Message-ID: If you read in depth, you?ll find that they had problems with the fuel flow sensor. They complained and the powers that be gave them a new flowmeter which they were told was ?OK?, but they?d have to apply an offset. That already tells you the calibration was probably shifting. Finding a good flowmeter that?s repeatable, holds a calibration and is reliable is tough. Been there, done that. If there was one, we?d be using it to measure hydraulic fluid flow. We do it, but the flowmeters are a giant PITA?. and not that accurate, either. Whether RB was ?legal? or not, I don?t know? I just know flowmeters are a pain. FWIW, Kirby On Mar 24, 2014, at 19:36, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/24/14 15 26 33, arkoch at earthlink.net writes: > > Automotive Technology - never ending improvements and > sophistication. > Whether or not you are into F! racing or any type of racing, I think > you > will enjoy the Red Bull team's explanation of the 2014 rule changes > and > comparison to 2013, all in a great way in this fabulous video. > >>>> How ironic that they were disqualified from the first race of the > season for failing to follow the rules! They found them too > restrictive and so chose to ignore them, their cars were faster as a > result, so they won. And then were disqualified. And now they are > appealing.... > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From pantera01826 at rogers.com Mon Mar 24 21:34:22 2014 From: pantera01826 at rogers.com (Mark Charlton) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 21:34:22 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - 2014 F1 rules explained in a cool way In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28A440A5-E775-4A4A-9140-F54A6E6C1E06@rogers.com> I think the FIA are just being stupid on this one. The teams are limited to 100KG of fuel for the entire race. Having them governed by a max. flow rate seems irrelevant. Get it wrong and you run out of fuel. Get it right and you finish on fumes in the front of the pack. I like to hate Red Bull as much as the next guy, but in THIS case, I hope they win on appeal. They should not, under the circumstances have been forced to run with a faulty sensor and then screwed for it. Mark Charlton pantera01826 at rogers.com On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > If you read in depth, you?ll find that they had problems with the fuel flow sensor. > They complained and the powers that be gave them a new flowmeter which they were told was ?OK?, but they?d have to apply an offset. > That already tells you the calibration was probably shifting. > > Finding a good flowmeter that?s repeatable, holds a calibration and is reliable is tough. > Been there, done that. If there was one, we?d be using it to measure hydraulic fluid flow. > We do it, but the flowmeters are a giant PITA?. and not that accurate, either. > > Whether RB was ?legal? or not, I don?t know? I just know flowmeters are a pain. > > FWIW, > Kirby > > On Mar 24, 2014, at 19:36, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 3/24/14 15 26 33, arkoch at earthlink.net writes: >> >> Automotive Technology - never ending improvements and >> sophistication. >> Whether or not you are into F! racing or any type of racing, I think >> you >> will enjoy the Red Bull team's explanation of the 2014 rule changes >> and >> comparison to 2013, all in a great way in this fabulous video. >> >>>>> How ironic that they were disqualified from the first race of the >> season for failing to follow the rules! They found them too >> restrictive and so chose to ignore them, their cars were faster as a >> result, so they won. And then were disqualified. And now they are >> appealing.... >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Mon Mar 24 21:58:18 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net> References: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net> Message-ID: <5330E2BA.904@asajay.com> I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to get a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how to drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began changing the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due to his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to additional changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even if it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it inequitable for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I think both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was the better more ballsy driver. But I still think he was arrogant. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > Dear Mikael, > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed > my mind after seeing the movie. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > age. You > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > Senna > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > Senna's > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he > was a > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > the > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > not > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > winning pole > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that > in mind, > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > were at > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change > my mind > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: 03/24/14 From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 23:56:16 2014 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Banzai Runner movie re-mix Message-ID: <1395719776.15518.YahooMailNeo@web122102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgxFlHSsayk -------------- next part -------------- Enjoy! [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgxFlHSsayk References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgxFlHSsayk From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 00:34:39 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 00:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Message-ID: Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8=' Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8=' Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 05:43:20 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 04:43:20 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale Message-ID: <451469A6-B085-4E02-9C29-3E1639A1B273@gmail.com> Since I can't run them in vintage, I have the wheels and tires that were on the racecar available. They are Gottis. The fronts are 16", the rears are 17". The fronts are 8" wide and the rears 10". They fit a stock bodied car, no problem. There are Hoosier slicks on them currently, but they be very old and very hard. I?ll have them taken off. If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. Or maybe my copy and paste will work below Let the bidding begin. Make an offer. Kirby -------------- next part -------------- Since I can't run them in vintage, I have the wheels and tires that were on the racecar available. They are Gottis. The fronts are 16", the rears are 17". The fronts are 8" wide and the rears 10". They fit a stock bodied car, no problem. There are Hoosier slicks on them currently, but they be very old and very hard. I'll have them taken off. If you go here: [1]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. Or maybe my copy and paste will work below Let the bidding begin. Make an offer. Kirby img_1917 References 1. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:15:09 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:15:09 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: <5330E2BA.904@asajay.com> References: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net>, <5330E2BA.904@asajay.com> Message-ID: While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have mentioned this before, but ? - if you are a dog lover, there is a great novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! And, soon to be made into a movie! If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's, you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to get > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. > > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how to > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. > > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began changing > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due to > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to additional > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even if > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. > > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it inequitable > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I think > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was the > better more ballsy driver. > > But I still think he was arrogant. > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > > Dear Mikael, > > > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed > > my mind after seeing the movie. > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > > age. You > > > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > > Senna > > > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > > Senna's > > > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he > > was a > > > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > > the > > > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > > > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > > not > > > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > > winning pole > > > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that > > in mind, > > > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > > were at > > > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change > > my mind > > > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: 03/24/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have mentioned this before, but - if you are a dog lover, there is a great novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! And, soon to be made into a movie! If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's, you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to get > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. > > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how to > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. > > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began changing > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due to > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to additional > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even if > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. > > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it inequitable > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I think > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was the > better more ballsy driver. > > But I still think he was arrogant. > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > > Dear Mikael, > > > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed > > my mind after seeing the movie. > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > > age. You > > > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > > Senna > > > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > > Senna's > > > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he > > was a > > > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > > the > > > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > > > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > > not > > > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > > winning pole > > > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that > > in mind, > > > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > > were at > > > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change > > my mind > > > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: 03/24/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Mar 25 10:23:15 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:23:15 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: References: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net>, <5330E2BA.904@asajay.com> Message-ID: <508084E781DE44E6BF2066514C11C943@LarryHPPC> Bill, I would think they would have mastered the "dog leg" section of the race track. Larry (even I think this is bad) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:15 AM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have mentioned this before, but . - if you are a dog lover, there is a great novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! And, soon to be made into a movie! If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's, you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to get > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. > > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how to > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. > > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began changing > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due to > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to additional > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even if > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. > > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it inequitable > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I think > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was the > better more ballsy driver. > > But I still think he was arrogant. > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > > Dear Mikael, > > > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed > > my mind after seeing the movie. > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > > age. You > > > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > > Senna > > > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > > Senna's > > > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he > > was a > > > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > > the > > > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > > > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > > not > > > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > > winning pole > > > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that > > in mind, > > > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > > were at > > > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change > > my mind > > > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: 03/24/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:25:22 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:25:22 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com>, <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. Except, the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. Except, the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shoc king. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed l ike a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:31:56 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 07:31:56 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: References: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net>, , <5330E2BA.904@asajay.com>, Message-ID: I'm not a great fiction reader, but a dog loving neighbor got me that book and I thoroughly enoyed it. Julian From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:15:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have mentioned this before, but ? - if you are a dog lover, there is a great novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! And, soon to be made into a movie! If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's, you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to get > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. > > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how to > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. > > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began changing > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due to > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to additional > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even if > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. > > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it inequitable > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I think > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was the > better more ballsy driver. > > But I still think he was arrogant. > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > > Dear Mikael, > > > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed > > my mind after seeing the movie. > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > > age. You > > > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > > Senna > > > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > > Senna's > > > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he > > was a > > > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > > the > > > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > > > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > > not > > > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > > winning pole > > > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that > > in mind, > > > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > > were at > > > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change > > my mind > > > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: 03/24/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I'm not a great fiction reader, but a dog loving neighbor got me that book and I thoroughly enoyed it. Julian From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:15:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have mentioned this before, but - if you are a dog lover, there is a great novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and one of his owner's, who races in t he rain and wins! And, soon to be made into a movie! If you cried in the Lass ie movies back in the 40's, you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to get > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. > > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how to > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. > > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began changing > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due to > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to additional > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even if > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. > > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it inequitable > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I think > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was the > better more ballsy driver. > > But I still think he was arrogant. > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > > Dear Mikael, > > > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of an > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely changed > > my mind after seeing the movie. > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > > age. You > > > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw the > > Senna > > > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > > Senna's > > > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought he > > was a > > > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've seen > > the > > > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, the > > > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified for > > not > > > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > > winning pole > > > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With that > > in mind, > > > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like both > > were at > > > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll change > > my mind > > > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > > > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: 03/24/14 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:32:11 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:32:11 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: , , <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com>, , , , , , , Message-ID: With the value of Panteras having gone up 50% and more in the last couple of years - have many of you increased the "fixed value" on your insurance policies? (I'm with Heacock, also) ---BILL Lewis From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com; boyd411 at gmail.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:42:56 -0700 CC: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm with the BJ endorsed program, it is underwritten by AIG now that TDS got acquired by AIG. It is by far the cheapest option I have found and I have 5 cars with them, before that I was with American Collectors and halved my insurance bill with the switch. Julian Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com To: boyd411 at gmail.com CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic is one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fixed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Nationwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go above that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 cars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com From: [4]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- With the value of Panteras having gone up 50% and more in the last couple of years - have many of you increased the "fixed value" on your insurance policies? (I'm with Heacock, also) ---BILL Lewis From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com; boyd411 at gmail.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:42:56 -0700 CC: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm with the BJ endorsed program, it is underwritten by AIG now that TDS got acq uired by AIG. It is by far the cheapest option I have found and I have 5 cars wi th them, before that I was with American Collectors and halved my insurance bill with the switch. Julian Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com To: boyd411 at gmail.com CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic i s one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fi xed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Natio nwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go abo ve that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 c ars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com From: [4]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10][2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:36:22 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:36:22 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: References: <1d80525.8a81f.144f4dbdab8.Webtop.0@cox.net>, Message-ID: My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - who reads those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never buy, describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. And, what is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 From: rob at dumoulins.net To: cengles at cox.net CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for the same reasons. Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > Dear Larry, > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > alike. > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every >> month >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and >> less >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy >> going >> back to re-read the old issues. >> Car art by words. >> >> >> >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >> MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> Chuck, >> >> Brilliant stuff. >> >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. >> >> Sad.... >> >> Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - who reads those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never buy, describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. And, what is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 From: rob at dumoulins.net To: cengles at cox.net CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for the same reasons. Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co [1]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > Dear Larry, > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > alike. > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every >> month >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and >> less >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy >> going >> back to re-read the old issues. >> Car art by words. >> >> >> >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >> MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> Chuck, >> >> Brilliant stuff. >> >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. >> >> Sad.... >> >> Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jjdetrich at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:39:27 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:39:27 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amazing how much better the car looks with the lower front valence that's missing on the prototype. Also bigger tyres help. Jeff 6559 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:34 PM, wrote: > Different bumpers (notice the > rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo > wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead > hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the > front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and > on and on. > -------------- next part -------------- Amazing how much better the car looks with the lower front valence that's missing on the prototype. Also bigger tyres help. Jeff 6559 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:34 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com From jjdetrich at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:47:17 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:47:17 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Teamwork and lack thereof... In-Reply-To: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> References: <8213BF35-8FDC-42B5-9B7C-92F6DD79FF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > Now THIS is called teamwork! > [1]http://zanylol.com/tires.html > Wow, 21 people, and they even have back up wrenches ready if they need it. -------------- next part -------------- On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Now THIS is called teamwork! [1][2]http://zanylol.com/tires.html Wow, 21 people, and they even have back up wrenches ready if they need it. References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. http://zanylol.com/tires.html From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 10:53:22 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:53:22 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" > Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "detomaso at POCA.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike -------------- next part -------------- Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 6. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= From scscottc at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:55:10 2014 From: scscottc at gmail.com (Scott Carpenter) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:55:10 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Message-ID: I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 -------------- next part -------------- I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:59:01 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:59:01 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna In-Reply-To: References: <1af4b82.a16fc.144f45c7782.Webtop.0@cox.net> <5330E2BA.904@asajay.com> Message-ID: I 'read' this using audio files. It was very well done. Pretty sad story, pretty good story. Lots of drama with wife, kid, work, etc. But he finally gets to drive for Ferrari. I agree with Bill. Highly recommended. FWIW, Kirby On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lewis wrote: > While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have > mentioned this before, but - if you are a dog lover, there is a great > novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and > one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! And, soon to be > made into a movie! If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's, > you'll love this! ---BILL Lewis > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 > > From: asajay at asajay.com > > To: detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna > > > > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to > get > > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. > > > > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him > > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at > > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was > > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is > > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol > > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how > to > > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both > > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna > > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. > > > > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began > changing > > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to > > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due > to > > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to > additional > > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even > if > > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. > > > > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it > inequitable > > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think > > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I > think > > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was > the > > better more ballsy driver. > > > > But I still think he was arrogant. > > Asa Jay > > > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > & Shelley Marie > > Spokane, WA > > ****************************** > > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > > > > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote: > > > Dear Mikael, > > > > > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first > > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of > an > > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely > changed > > > my mind after seeing the movie. > > > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: > > > > > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my > > > age. You > > > > > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw > the > > > Senna > > > > > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after > > > Senna's > > > > > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought > he > > > was a > > > > > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've > seen > > > the > > > > > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, > the > > > > > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified > for > > > not > > > > > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna > > > winning pole > > > > > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With > that > > > in mind, > > > > > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like > both > > > were at > > > > > > > fault for that accident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll > change > > > my mind > > > > > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mvh/Regards > > > > > > > Mikael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > > > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > > > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: > 03/24/14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- I 'read' this using audio files. It was very well done. Pretty sad story, pretty good story. Lots of drama with wife, kid, work, etc. But he finally gets to drive for Ferrari. I agree with Bill. Highly recommended. FWIW, Kirby On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: A A While this is on the subject of driving in the rain - I may have A A mentioned this before, but - if you are a dog lover, there is a great A A novel, THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN, by Garth Stein, about a dog and A A one of his owner's, who races in the rain and wins! A And, soon to be A A made into a movie! A If you cried in the Lassie movies back in the 40's, A A you'll love this! A ---BILL Lewis A A > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:58:18 -0700 A A > From: [2]asajay at asajay.com A A > To: [3]detomaso at poca.com A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Senna A A > A A > I too, after having many people tell me about the movie, managed to A A get A A > a copy from the Library a couple weeks ago. A A > A A > In contrast, I still think he had some arrogance that caused him A A > problems. What I saw was a man who appeared to be brilliant at A A > controlling an F1 race car, especially in the rain. Whether that was A A > due to a better understanding of control or just bigger balls is A A > debatable. I think back to things I've read with regard to Carrol A A > Shelby and it's been nearly the same, they both appeared to know how A A to A A > drive it in deep and make it stick despite the conditions. Both A A > appeared to have bigger balls than the next guy. And I think Senna A A > carried some of that ability as an air of arrogance with him. A A > A A > I think what solidified some of that for me was when F1 began A A changing A A > the cars and Senna began having driving issues. He didn't appear to A A > "adapt" very well and I think his career began to suffer from it due A A to A A > his arrogance. Eventually, either through adapting or due to A A additional A A > changes in the cars he continued to be the darling star of F1, even A A if A A > it wasn't who the politicians thought it should be. A A > A A > To the politics, he simply didn't fit the mold. I found it A A inequitable A A > for F1 to blatantly change rules to give Prost an advantage. I think A A > that caused Senna frustration, like it would any other driver. I A A think A A > both he and Prost had a chip on their shoulder but I think Senna was A A the A A > better more ballsy driver. A A > A A > But I still think he was arrogant. A A > Asa Jay A A > A A > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired A A > & Shelley Marie A A > Spokane, WA A A > ****************************** A A > [4]http://www.racingagainstautism.com A A > [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com A A > [6]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism A A > A A > A A > On 3/24/2014 6:51 AM, [7]cengles at cox.net wrote: A A > > Dear Mikael, A A > > A A > > By coincidence, I, too, finally saw for the first A A > > time, Senna , this month. I also thought that he was something of A A an A A > > arrogant jerk at the time he was racing, but I have completely A A changed A A > > my mind after seeing the movie. A A > > A A > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles A A > > A A > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mikael wrote: A A > > A A > > > It's rare that you change your mind 180 degrees, especially at my A A > > age. You A A > > A A > > > think you know most things, no more surprises. Well, I just saw A A the A A > > Senna A A > > A A > > > movie and changed my mind. I started to watch F1 in 1994 after A A > > Senna's A A > > A A > > > death, so never saw him drive a whole race. I've always thought A A he A A > > was a A A > > A A > > > reckless jerk for what he did to Prost in Japan. Now that I've A A seen A A > > the A A > > A A > > > movie I think differently. To see Prost and that jerk in charge, A A the A A > > A A > > > Frenchman Balestre, laugh together, and Senna being disqualified A A for A A > > not A A > > A A > > > going in the opposite direction after his off. And to see Senna A A > > winning pole A A > > A A > > > a year later and being given the dirty side of the track. With A A that A A > > in mind, A A > > A A > > > I could have decided to ram Prost myself... And it looked like A A both A A > > were at A A > > A A > > > fault for that accident. A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > Well, I realize that that movie may be biased, so maybe I'll A A change A A > > my mind A A > > A A > > > again. But I have a different view of Senna now... A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > Mvh/Regards A A > > A A > > > Mikael A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > _______________________________________________ A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA A A > > A A > > > A A > > A A > > > DeTomaso mailing list A A > > A A > > > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com A A > > A A > > > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com A A > > A A > > A A > > A A > > _______________________________________________ A A > > A A > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA A A > > A A > > DeTomaso mailing list A A > > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com A A > > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com A A > > A A > > A A > > ----- A A > > No virus found in this message. A A > > Checked by AVG - [12]www.avg.com A A > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6742 - Release Date: A A 03/24/14 A A > A A > _______________________________________________ A A > A A > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA A A > A A > DeTomaso mailing list A A > [13]DeTomaso at poca.com A A > [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 5. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 6. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 7. mailto:cengles at cox.net 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. http://www.avg.com/ 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 25 11:03:33 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:03:33 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, michael at michaelshortt.com < michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Now you all know where my inspiration came from. > > Michael > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) < > terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > >> Mike, where can I get those seats! >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> >> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >> >> Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: "[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> >> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM >> To: "[4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5]detomaso at POCA.com> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! >> >> Hi guys, >> Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl >> Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in >> 1970. These >> photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford >> University: >> [6]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? >> Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial >> prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the >> rear >> one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo >> wheels, >> different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made >> one-offs I >> think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on >> the >> decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. >> I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being >> driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... >> Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a >> Bob >> Bondurant racing school...good times! >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >> 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >> 4. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >> 5. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >> 6. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. 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Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [4](818) 393-6261 Cell: [5](818) 653-8213 Fax: [6](818) 393-3147 [1][7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6][10]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. mailto:[11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:[13]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:[14]detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:[15]detomaso at POCA.com 6. [16]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [19]www.michaelshortt.com [20]michael at michaelshortt.com [21]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [22]www.michaelshortt.com [23]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 4. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 5. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 6. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 7. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 9. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 10. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 11. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 13. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 14. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 15. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 16. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 21. tel:912-232-9390 22. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 23. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_6080small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 274715 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Mar 25 11:12:23 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:12:23 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: References: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com>, <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9EC9353E78F94986922A10E820D3B1E1@LarryHPPC> Bill my friend, My "old magazines, 8mm film and VCR tapes" have long been replaced by the many facets offered by the internet. A 50" 1080i screen can really bring to life entertainment today. Larry (thanks Al Gore) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:25 AM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. Except, the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Mar 25 11:16:03 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: References: <1d80525.8a81f.144f4dbdab8.Webtop.0@cox.net>, Message-ID: <13AD794AC0DF4D718704156C6361B73B@LarryHPPC> Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of being read if it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We all love a good story. Larry - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM To: Rob Dumoulin Cc: DeTomaso Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - who reads those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never buy, describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. And, what is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 From: rob at dumoulins.net To: cengles at cox.net CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for the same reasons. Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > Dear Larry, > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > alike. > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every >> month >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and >> less >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy >> going >> back to re-read the old issues. >> Car art by words. >> >> >> >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >> MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> Chuck, >> >> Brilliant stuff. >> >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. >> >> Sad.... >> >> Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 25 11:19:06 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:19:06 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: <13AD794AC0DF4D718704156C6361B73B@LarryHPPC> References: <1d80525.8a81f.144f4dbdab8.Webtop.0@cox.net> <13AD794AC0DF4D718704156C6361B73B@LarryHPPC> Message-ID: I used to love reading Satch in Autoweek on the last page, hearing about the long legged, red headed stock broker. As I recall, he got into some trouble briefly and they canned him. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of being read > if > it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We all love > a good story. > > Larry - Cleveland > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM > To: Rob Dumoulin > Cc: DeTomaso Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - who > reads > those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never buy, > describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. And, what > is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? > Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 > From: rob at dumoulins.net > To: cengles at cox.net > CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them > around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for > the same reasons. > > Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. > > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > rob at dumoulins.net > www.kbsi.co > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > > > Dear Larry, > > > > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > > alike. > > > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every > >> month > >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and > >> less > >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy > >> going > >> back to re-read the old issues. > >> Car art by words. > >> > >> > >> > >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > >> MikeLDrew at aol.com > >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM > >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > >> > >> Chuck, > >> > >> Brilliant stuff. > >> > >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have > >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the > Pantera > >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue > in > >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained > >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a > >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that > >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. > >> > >> Sad.... > >> > >> Mike > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- I used to love reading Satch in Autoweek on the last page, hearing about the long legged, red headed stock broker. As I recall, he got into some trouble briefly and they canned him. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of being read if it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We all love a good story. Larry - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM To: Rob Dumoulin Cc: DeTomaso Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - who reads those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never buy, describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. And, what is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 From: [3]rob at dumoulins.net To: [4]cengles at cox.net CC: [5]mikeldrew at aol.com; [6]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for the same reasons. Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. Rob DuMoulin [7]904.476.8744 [8]rob at dumoulins.net [9]www.kbsi.co [10]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, <[11]cengles at cox.net> wrote: > Dear Larry, > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > alike. > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every >> month >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and >> less >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy >> going >> back to re-read the old issues. >> Car art by words. >> >> >> >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >> [13]MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM >> To: [14]cengles at cox.net; [15]detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> Chuck, >> >> Brilliant stuff. >> >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. >> >> Sad.... >> >> Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [16]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [20]DeTomaso at poca.com [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [22]www.michaelshortt.com [23]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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[2]http://www.eset.com References 1. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 2. http://www.eset.com/ From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 11:44:38 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will always drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them as much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the highway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 -------------- next part -------------- I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will always drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them as much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the highway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter <[2]scscottc at gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[3]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com From grayjim at att.net Tue Mar 25 11:56:22 2014 From: grayjim at att.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1395762982.60981.YahooMailNeo@web185402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I recently increased my coverage with Hagerty.? All they asked for, if readily available, was an up-to-date photo of the car since the only one they had was from 2001! When I DID have a claim (broken windshield) they handled it quite promptly and to my full satisfaction. YMMV Jim Gray From: Scott Carpenter To: De Tomaso List Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value ? I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. ? Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, ? last year I bumped it up to $60,000.? I've never had to make a claim so ? I guess so far I am happy with them.? If values keep going up I will ? probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. ? As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in ? values.? While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given ? some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't ? want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want ? to drive them.? Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is ? still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I ? usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then ? I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of ? Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy ? texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian ? hot rod. ? Scott ? #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I recently increased my coverage with Hagerty. All they asked for, if readily available, was an up-to-date photo of the car since the only one they had was from 2001! When I DID have a claim (broken windshield) they handled it quite promptly and to my full satisfaction. YMMV Jim Gray From: Scott Carpenter To: De Tomaso List Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at poca.com [2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From grayjim at att.net Tue Mar 25 11:57:32 2014 From: grayjim at att.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1395763052.66467.YahooMailNeo@web185402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! ? Now you all know where my inspiration came from. ? Michael ? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com ? <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: ? Now you all know where my inspiration came from. ? Michael ? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) ? <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: ? ? ? Mike, where can I get those seats! ? ? ? Terry W. Himes ? ? ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory ? ? ? Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead ? ? ? Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead ? ? ? Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead ? ? ? Phone: [4](818) 393-6261 ? ? ? Cell:? ? [5](818) 653-8213 ? ? ? Fax:? ? [6](818) 393-3147 ? ? ? [1][7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ? ? ? From: "[2][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9]MikeLDrew at aol.com> ? ? ? Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM ? ? ? To: "[4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5]detomaso at POCA.com> ? ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! ? ? ? Hi guys, ? ? ? Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl ? ? ? Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, ? in ? ? ? 1970.? These ? ? ? photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford ? ? ? University: ? ? ? [6][10]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? ? ? ? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial ? ? ? prototype, and the production Panteras.? Different bumpers (notice ? the ? ? ? rear ? ? ? one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo ? ? ? wheels, ? ? ? different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made ? ? ? one-offs I ? ? ? think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges ? on ? ? ? the ? ? ? decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. ? ? ? I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of ? being ? ? ? driven.? There are no photos indicating that the car actually ? ran.... ? ? ? Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners ? enjoying a ? ? ? Bob ? ? ? Bondurant racing school...good times! ? ? ? Mike ? References ? ? ? 1. mailto:[11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ? ? ? 2. mailto:[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com ? ? ? 3. mailto:[13]MikeLDrew at aol.com ? ? ? 4. mailto:[14]detomaso at POCA.com ? ? ? 5. mailto:[15]detomaso at POCA.com ? ? ? 6. [16]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA ? ? DeTomaso mailing list ? ? [17]DeTomaso at poca.com ? ? [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com ? -- ? Michael L. Shortt ? Savannah, Georgia ? [19]www.michaelshortt.com ? [20]michael at michaelshortt.com ? [21]912-232-9390 ? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy ? Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally ? privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby ? notified ? that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this ? communication is strictly prohibited.? 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From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2][2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [4](818) 393-6261 Cell: [5](818) 653-8213 Fax: [6](818) 393-3147 [1][7][4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][8][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4][7]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6][10]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. mailto:[11][9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[12][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:[13][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com 6. [16][14]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17][15]DeTomaso at poca.com [18][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [19]www.michaelshortt.com [20][17]michael at michaelshortt.com [21]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [22]www.michaelshortt.com [23][18]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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[36]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 23. mailto:[37]michael at michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [38]DeTomaso at poca.com [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 4. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 12. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 13. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 14. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 19. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 21. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 22. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 23. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 24. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 25. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 26. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 27. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 28. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 29. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 30. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 31. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 34. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 35. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 36. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 37. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Tue Mar 25 12:01:21 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:01:21 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: <1395763052.66467.YahooMailNeo@web185402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1395763052.66467.YahooMailNeo@web185402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My understanding is that they were aluminum shells with glued on pads that were 100% for looks, very uncomfortable. Only one set in the prototype. If you look at other show cars back then, the styling was popular, very "2001". Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jim Gray wrote: > Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" > Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! > Now you all know where my inspiration came from. > Michael > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1]michael at michaelshortt.com > <[2][2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: > Now you all know where my inspiration came from. > Michael > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) > <[3][3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Mike, where can I get those seats! > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: [4](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [5](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [6](818) 393-3147 > [1][7][4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > From: "[2][8][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> > Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM > To: "[4][7]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8]detomaso at POCA.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! > Hi guys, > Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by > Karl > Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new > Pantera, > in > 1970. These > photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford > University: > > [6][10]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? > Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this > initial > prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers > (notice > the > rear > one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot > Campagnolo > wheels, > different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made > one-offs I > think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny > badges > on > the > decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. > I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of > being > driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually > ran.... > Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners > enjoying a > Bob > Bondurant racing school...good times! > Mike > References > 1. mailto:[11][9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:[12][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 3. mailto:[13][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 4. mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com > 5. mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com > 6. > [16][14]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [17][15]DeTomaso at poca.com > [18][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [19]www.michaelshortt.com > [20][17]michael at michaelshortt.com > [21]912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. 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Thank you > References > 1. mailto:[19]michael at michaelshortt.com > 2. mailto:[20]michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:[21]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 4. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 > 5. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 > 6. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 > 7. mailto:[22]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 8. mailto:[23]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 9. mailto:[24]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 10. [25]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > 11. mailto:[26]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 12. mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 13. mailto:[28]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 14. mailto:[29]detomaso at POCA.com > 15. mailto:[30]detomaso at POCA.com > 16. [31]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > 17. mailto:[32]DeTomaso at poca.com > 18. [33]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 19. [34]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 20. mailto:[35]michael at michaelshortt.com > 21. tel:912-232-9390 > 22. [36]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 23. mailto:[37]michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [38]DeTomaso at poca.com > [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 4. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 7. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 10. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 12. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 13. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 14. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 17. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 19. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 21. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 22. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 23. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 24. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 25. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > 26. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 27. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 28. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 29. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 30. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 31. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 34. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 35. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 36. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 37. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- My understanding is that they were aluminum shells with glued on pads that were 100% for looks, very uncomfortable. Only one set in the prototype. If you look at other show cars back then, the styling was popular, very "2001". Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jim Gray <[1]grayjim at att.net> wrote: Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> Cc: "[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; "detomaso at POCA.com" <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1][8]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2][2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][3][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [4][11](818) 393-6261 Cell: [5][12](818) 653-8213 Fax: [6][13](818) 393-3147 [1][7][4][14]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][8][5][15]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6][16]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4][7]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6][10][17]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= '? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. mailto:[11][9][18]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[12][10][19]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:[13][11][20]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com 6. 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I had a stress crack (poor installation of last windshield) and they paid as soon as I submitted my claim. No questions asked. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Jim Gray > Reply-To: Jim Gray > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:56 AM To: Scott Carpenter >, De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I recently increased my coverage with Hagerty. All they asked for, if readily available, was an up-to-date photo of the car since the only one they had was from 2001! When I DID have a claim (broken windshield) they handled it quite promptly and to my full satisfaction. YMMV Jim Gray From: Scott Carpenter > To: De Tomaso List > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Same here. I had a stress crack (poor installation of last windshield) and they paid as soon as I submitted my claim. No questions asked. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Jim Gray <[2]grayjim at att.net> Reply-To: Jim Gray <[3]grayjim at att.net> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:56 AM To: Scott Carpenter <[4]scscottc at gmail.com>, De Tomaso List <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I recently increased my coverage with Hagerty. All they asked for, if readily available, was an up-to-date photo of the car since the only one they had was from 2001! When I DID have a claim (broken windshield) they handled it quite promptly and to my full satisfaction. YMMV Jim Gray From: Scott Carpenter <[6]scscottc at gmail.com> To: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:grayjim at att.net 3. mailto:grayjim at att.net 4. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 12:03:39 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:03:39 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: <1395763052.66467.YahooMailNeo@web185402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah! That explains a lot. Thanks. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:01 AM To: Jim Gray > Cc: Terry Himes >, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" >, "detomaso at POCA.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! My understanding is that they were aluminum shells with glued on pads that were 100% for looks, very uncomfortable. Only one set in the prototype. If you look at other show cars back then, the styling was popular, very "2001". Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jim Gray > wrote: Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" > To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" > Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" >; "detomaso at POCA.com" > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2][2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [4](818) 393-6261 Cell: [5](818) 653-8213 Fax: [6](818) 393-3147 [1][7][4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][8][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4][7]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6][10]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. mailto:[11][9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[12][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:[13][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com 6. [16][14]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17][15]DeTomaso at poca.com [18][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [19]www.michaelshortt.com [20][17]michael at michaelshortt.com [21]912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [22]www.michaelshortt.com [23][18]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:01 AM To: Jim Gray <[4]grayjim at att.net> Cc: Terry Himes <[5]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, "[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[7]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "[8]detomaso at POCA.com" <[9]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! My understanding is that they were aluminum shells with glued on pads that were 100% for looks, very uncomfortable. Only one set in the prototype. If you look at other show cars back then, the styling was popular, very "2001". Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jim Gray <[10]grayjim at att.net> wrote: Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? From: "[11]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[12]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[13]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> Cc: "[14]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[15]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; "[16]detomaso at POCA.com" <[17]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1][18]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2][2][19]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][3][20]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [4][21](818) 393-6261 Cell: [5][22](818) 653-8213 Fax: [6][23](818) 393-3147 [1][7][4][24]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][8][5][25]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6][26]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4][7][27]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8][28]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6][10][29]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= '? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. [30]mailto:[11][9][31]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. [32]mailto:[12][10][33]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. [34]mailto:[13][11][35]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. [36]mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com 5. [37]mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com 6. 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Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > Bill my friend, > > My "old magazines, 8mm film and VCR tapes" have long been replaced by the > many facets offered by the internet. A 50" 1080i screen can really bring to > life entertainment today. > > Larry (thanks Al Gore) - Cleveland > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:25 AM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free > subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite > magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. > Except, > the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, > Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] > ---BILL Lewis > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 > From: lashdeep at yahoo.com > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. > > Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the > 1980s...shocking. > > I still read all of the old ones from time to time. > > Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. > > The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being > tossed like a frisbee into the bin. > > LS > > > > > > > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > > > 625 e street nw > > washington, dc 20004 > > centralwines.com > > > facebook.com/CentralLiquors > > > 202-737-2800 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" > To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com > Sent: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > > Chuck, > Brilliant stuff. > To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism > have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where > the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was > reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the > outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single > writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing > with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to > virtually all writers today. > Sad.... > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Is that a Porn reference? Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: Bill my friend, My "old magazines, 8mm film and VCR tapes" have long been replaced by the many facets offered by the internet. A 50" 1080i screen can really bring to life entertainment today. Larry (thanks Al Gore) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:25 AM To: [3]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. Except, the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 From: [4]lashdeep at yahoo.com To: [5]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [6]cengles at cox.net; [7]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [8]centralwines.com [9]facebook.com/CentralLiquors [10]202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "[11]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com> To: [13]cengles at cox.net; [14]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [19]DeTomaso at poca.com [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [21]www.michaelshortt.com [22]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. mailto:cengles at cox.net 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. http://centralwines.com/ 9. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 10. tel:202-737-2800 11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 13. mailto:cengles at cox.net 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From grayjim at att.net Tue Mar 25 12:14:45 2014 From: grayjim at att.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: <1395763052.66467.YahooMailNeo@web185402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1395764085.15507.YahooMailNeo@web185404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yours look good and I'm sure are more comfortable. Jim From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: Jim Gray Cc: "Himes, Terry (397C)" ; "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! My understanding is that they were aluminum shells with glued on? pads that were 100% for looks, very uncomfortable. Only one set in the prototype. ?If you look at other show cars back then, the styling was popular, very "2001". Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jim Gray wrote: ? ?Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? >? ?From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" >? ?To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" >? ?Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" >? ? >? ?Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM >? ?Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! > >? ? ?Now you all know where my inspiration came from. >? ? ?Michael > >? ? ?On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1]michael at michaelshortt.com >? ? ?<[2][2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: >? ? ?Now you all know where my inspiration came from. >? ? ?Michael >? ? ?On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) > >? ? ?<[3][3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >? ? ? ? ?Mike, where can I get those seats! >? ? ? ? ?Terry W. Himes >? ? ? ? ?JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >? ? ? ? ?Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >? ? ? ? ?Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead >? ? ? ? ?Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead >? ? ? ? ?Phone: [4](818) 393-6261 >? ? ? ? ?Cell: ? ?[5](818) 653-8213 >? ? ? ? ?Fax: ? ?[6](818) 393-3147 >? ? ? ? ?[1][7][4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? ? ? ?From: "[2][8][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> > >? ? ? ? ?Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM >? ? ? ? ?To: "[4][7]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8]detomaso at POCA.com> > >? ? ? ? ?Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! >? ? ? ? ?Hi guys, >? ? ? ? ?Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by >? ?Karl >? ? ? ? ?Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new >? ?Pantera, >? ? ?in >? ? ? ? ?1970. ?These >? ? ? ? ?photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford >? ? ? ? ?University: > >? ?[6][10]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8='? > >? ? ? ? ?Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this >? ?initial >? ? ? ? ?prototype, and the production Panteras. ?Different bumpers >? ?(notice >? ? ?the >? ? ? ? ?rear >? ? ? ? ?one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot >? ?Campagnolo >? ? ? ? ?wheels, >? ? ? ? ?different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made >? ? ? ? ?one-offs I >? ? ? ? ?think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny >? ?badges >? ? ?on >? ? ? ? ?the >? ? ? ? ?decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. >? ? ? ? ?I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of >? ? ?being >? ? ? ? ?driven. ?There are no photos indicating that the car actually >? ? ?ran.... >? ? ? ? ?Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners >? ? ?enjoying a >? ? ? ? ?Bob >? ? ? ? ?Bondurant racing school...good times! >? ? ? ? ?Mike >? ? ?References >? ? ? ? ?1. mailto:[11][9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? ? ? ?2. mailto:[12][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com >? ? ? ? ?3. mailto:[13][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com >? ? ? ? ?4. mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com >? ? ? ? ?5. mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com >? ? ? ? ?6. >? ?[16][14]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= > >? ? ? ?_______________________________________________ >? ? ? ?Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >? ? ? ?DeTomaso mailing list >? ? ? ?[17][15]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? ? ?[18][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >? ? ?-- >? ? ?Michael L. Shortt >? ? ?Savannah, Georgia >? ? ?[19]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? ? ?[20][17]michael at michaelshortt.com >? ? ?[21]912-232-9390 > >? ? ?This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >? ? ?Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >? ? ?privileged. ?If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >? ? ?notified >? ? ?that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >? ? ?communication is strictly prohibited. ?Please reply to the sender >? ?that >? ? ?you >? ? ?have received this message in error, then delete it. ?Thank you >? ? ?-- >? ? ?Michael L. Shortt >? ? ?Savannah, Georgia >? ? ?[22]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? ? ?[23][18]michael at michaelshortt.com > >? ? ?912-232-9390 >? ? ?This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >? ? ?Act, 18 U.S.C. 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[25]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= >? ? ?11. mailto:[26]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? ?12. mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com >? ? ?13. mailto:[28]MikeLDrew at aol.com >? ? ?14. mailto:[29]detomaso at POCA.com >? ? ?15. mailto:[30]detomaso at POCA.com >? ? ?16. [31]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= >? ? ?17. mailto:[32]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? ?18. [33]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? ? ?19. [34]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? ? ?20. mailto:[35]michael at michaelshortt.com >? ? ?21. tel:912-232-9390 >? ? ?22. [36]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? ? ?23. mailto:[37]michael at michaelshortt.com > >? ?_______________________________________________ >? ?Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >? ?DeTomaso mailing list >? ?[38]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ?[39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > >? ?1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? ?2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? ?3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ?4. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ?5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? ?6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? ?7. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >? ?8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >? ?9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 10. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? 11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? 12. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >? 13. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >? 14. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= >? 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 17. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? 18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? 19. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? 21. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 22. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 23. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? 24. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? 25. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= >? 26. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 27. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? 28. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >? 29. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >? 30. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >? 31. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= >? 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 34. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? 35. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? 36. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? 37. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com >? 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia http://www.michaelshortt.com/ michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 ? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.? Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it.? Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Yours look good and I'm sure are more comfortable. Jim From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" To: Jim Gray Cc: "Himes, Terry (397C)" ; "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! My understanding is that they were aluminum shells with glued on pads that were 100% for looks, very uncomfortable. Only one set in the prototype. If you look at other show cars back then, the styling was popular, very "2001". Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jim Gray <[1]grayjim at att.net> wrote: Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? From: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> Cc: "[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; "detomaso at POCA.com" <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM, [1][1][8]michael at michaelshortt.com <[2][2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: Now you all know where my inspiration came from. Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][3][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [4][11](818) 393-6261 Cell: [5][12](818) 653-8213 Fax: [6][13](818) 393-3147 [1][7][4][14]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][8][5][15]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][9][6][16]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:34 PM To: "[4][7]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][8]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Hi guys, Ron Southern tipped me off to this treasure trove of photos by Karl Ludvigsen, taken at a press day for the launch of the new Pantera, in 1970. These photos are housed as part of the Revs collection at Stanford University: [6][10][17]https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= '? Look at all the hundreds of detail differences between this initial prototype, and the production Panteras. Different bumpers (notice the rear one-piece bumper?), side markers, dashboard, three-slot Campagnolo wheels, different taillights (not "Group 4" lights, but instead hand-made one-offs I think), decklid hinged at the rear instead of the front, tiny badges on the decklid instead of the rear panel, and on and on and on. I don't know if this car was a pushmobile or actually capable of being driven. There are no photos indicating that the car actually ran.... Page 2 also shows a bunch of photos of So-Cal Pantera owners enjoying a Bob Bondurant racing school...good times! Mike References 1. mailto:[11][9][18]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[12][10][19]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:[13][11][20]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:[14][12]detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:[15][13]detomaso at POCA.com 6. 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Thank you References 1. mailto:grayjim at att.net 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 11. file://localhost/tmp/tmp_C99ZK.html 12. file://localhost/tmp/tmp_C99ZK.html 13. file://localhost/tmp/tmp_C99ZK.html 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 15. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 16. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 17. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 18. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 19. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 20. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 21. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 24. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 25. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 26. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 27. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 28. file://localhost/tmp/tmp_C99ZK.html 29. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 30. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 31. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 32. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 33. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 34. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 35. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 36. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 37. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 38. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 39. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 42. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 43. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 44. file://localhost/tmp/tmp_C99ZK.html 45. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 46. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 47. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 48. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 49. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 50. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 51. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 52. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 53. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 54. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 55. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 56. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 57. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 58. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 59. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 60. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 61. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 62. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 63. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 64. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 65. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 66. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 67. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 68. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 69. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 70. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 71. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 72. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 73. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 74. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 75. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 76. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 77. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 78. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 79. https://revslib.stanford.edu/?per_page=50&q=Pantera&utf8= 80. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 81. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 82. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 83. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 84. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 85. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 86. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 87. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 88. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 89. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 90. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 91. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:42:15 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:42:15 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: adin at frontier.net To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: adin at frontier.net To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange [1]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pante ra/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature data base 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [2]http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 2. http://www.eset.com/ From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:55:35 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:55:35 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. ---BILL Lewis From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will always drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them as much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the highway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. ---BILL Lewis From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 12:57:15 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:57:15 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a friend looking for a Pantera. This might work. Anyone seen, inspected this car? Is there rust? Which is his main concern. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Bill Lewis > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:42 AM To: Panteras > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: adin at frontier.net To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I have a friend looking for a Pantera. This might work. Anyone seen, inspected this car? Is there rust? Which is his main concern. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Bill Lewis <[2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:42 AM To: Panteras <[3]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: [4]adin at frontier.net To: [5]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange [6]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detom aso-pantera/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [7]http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:adin at frontier.net 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 7. http://www.eset.com/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Tue Mar 25 13:19:21 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Message-ID: <10cf7d2.8af55.144fa40e6dd.Webtop.0@cox.net> Dear Michael, I thoroughly enjoyed Satch's column until it disappeared. He later re-appeared as the editor of the BMW club magazine. No more references to the leggy stockbroker. The following clip from will explain the "trouble". from Anchorage, Alaska " Back then, if a teacher had sex with a child over 16, it wasn't clear that it was against the law. The Satch Carlson case changed all that. In 1989 Carlson was fired after he was accused of having sex with a 17-year-old student, but since the sex was consensual, it was unclear whether it was a crime. " I was very, very disappointed in Satch. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote: > I used to love reading Satch in Autoweek on the last page, hearing > about > the long legged, red headed stock broker. > As I recall, he got into some trouble briefly and they canned him. > > Michael > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Larry - Ohio Time > wrote: > >> Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of being >> read >> if >> it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We >> all love >> a good story. >> >> Larry - Cleveland >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill >> Lewis >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM >> To: Rob Dumoulin >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - >> who >> reads >> those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never >> buy, >> describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. >> And, what >> is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? >> Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis >> >> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 >> From: rob at dumoulins.net >> To: cengles at cox.net >> CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >> >> Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop >> them >> around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it >> lapse for >> the same reasons. >> >> Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. >> >> Rob DuMoulin >> 904.476.8744 >> rob at dumoulins.net >> www.kbsi.co >> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: >> >>> Dear Larry, >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds >>> think >>> alike. >>> >>> I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to >>> R&T >>> and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T >>> when >>> Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, >>> Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that >>> know >>> enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags >>> have >>> become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, >>> but it >>> is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving >>> and >>> repairing sports cars. My opinion. >>> >>> >>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: >>> >>> Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover >>> every >>>> month >>>> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less >>>> and >>>> less >>>> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill >>>> enjoy >>>> going >>>> back to re-read the old issues. >>>> Car art by words. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >>>> MikeLDrew at aol.com >>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM >>>> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor >>>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Brilliant stuff. >>>> >>>> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism >>>> have >>>> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the >> Pantera >>>> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that >>>> issue >> in >>>> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose >>>> contained >>>> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine >>>> had a >>>> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision >>>> that >>>> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. >>>> >>>> Sad.... >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Dear Michael, I thoroughly enjoyed Satch's column until it disappeared. He later re-appeared as the editor of the BMW club magazine. No more references to the leggy stockbroker. The following clip from will explain the "trouble". from Anchorage, Alaska " Back then, if a teacher had sex with a child over 16, it wasn't clear that it was against the law. The Satch Carlson case changed all that. In 1989 Carlson was fired after he was accused of having sex with a 17-year-old student, but since the sex was consensual, it was unclear whether it was a crime. " I was very, very disappointed in Satch. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote: > I used to love reading Satch in Autoweek on the last page, hearing about > the long legged, red headed stock broker. > As I recall, he got into some trouble briefly and they canned him. > > Michael > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Larry - Ohio Time > wrote: > > > Very true Bill. I think the crap would have a better chance of being read > > if > > it was written well and entertaining as it was in the old days. We all love > > a good story. > > > > Larry - Cleveland > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:36 AM > > To: Rob Dumoulin > > Cc: DeTomaso Mail List > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > > > My subscription to CD expires soon - thankfully!! My point is - who > > reads > > those magazines. All the articles are about cars that I will never buy, > > describing (in excruciating detail) points that IMHO, who cares. And, what > > is the difference in a sedan/family car that has 300 or 400 or 500HP? > > Seriously, who reads that crap!!!! ---BILL Lewis > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:32 -0400 > > From: rob at dumoulins.net > > To: cengles at cox.net > > CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > > > Ditto here. I started subscribing to R&T in the early 80s and drop them > > around 2004. Picked up a year of C&D a few years later but let it lapse for > > the same reasons. > > > > Now it's just First Freedom and Popular Mechanics. > > > > Rob DuMoulin > > 904.476.8744 > > rob at dumoulins.net > > www.kbsi.co > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > > > > > Dear Larry, > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. It is the day of coincidences and great minds think > > > alike. > > > > > > I, too, have dropped my decades long subscriptions to R&T > > > and C&D because of their descent into puerile writing. I quit R&T when > > > Peter Egan finished his last regular column. For current reading, > > > Grassroots Motorsports is a good solid publication for people that know > > > enough about cars to be disappointed with what the mainstream mags have > > > become. GM's writing is not as good the old standards of R&T/C&D, but it > > > is *honest* writing done by people that know cars, tools, driving and > > > repairing sports cars. My opinion. > > > > > > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > > > > > > Car & Driver was the only publication I read from cover to cover every > > >> month > > >> from '65 till around 95. The last years I found myself reading less and > > >> less > > >> till I got to the point of not renewing my subscription. I sill enjoy > > >> going > > >> back to re-read the old issues. > > >> Car art by words. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Larry (Popular Mech too) - Cleveland > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > > >> MikeLDrew at aol.com > > >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:56 AM > > >> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com > > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor > > >> > > >> Chuck, > > >> > > >> Brilliant stuff. > > >> > > >> To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have > > >> plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the > > Pantera > > >> was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue > > in > > >> bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained > > >> therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a > > >> marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that > > >> would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. > > >> > > >> Sad.... > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 13:21:23 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:21:23 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good points Bill. My dad was a Ford mechanic (then a machinist, tool & die) so I always was under the hood with him. We built our own Go-Kart (knocked off Dart Kart plans) with twin West-Bend 580's and raced every Saturday. But today, that is less and less. Very few people work in their own cars. I was also building and launching bigger & bigger rockets out of my back yard and my dad encouraged that. But Gemini and Apollo were all over the news. (today NASA discovery's cannot even displace Lindsey (eck) Lohan) I think in the future hot cars like Pantera's it will be a cool fad thing, and go in cycles. My grandkids will inherit my Pantera. But what they will do with it after I'm gone is anybody's guess. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Bill Lewis > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:55 AM To: Terry Himes >, Scott Carpenter >, De Tomaso List > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. ---BILL Lewis From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will always drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them as much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the highway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Good points Bill. My dad was a Ford mechanic (then a machinist, tool & die) so I always was under the hood with him. We built our own Go-Kart (knocked off Dart Kart plans) with twin West-Bend 580's and raced every Saturday. But today, that is less and less. Very few people work in their own cars. I was also building and launching bigger & bigger rockets out of my back yard and my dad encouraged that. But Gemini and Apollo were all over the news. (today NASA discovery's cannot even displace Lindsey (eck) Lohan) I think in the future hot cars like Pantera's it will be a cool fad thing, and go in cycles. My grandkids will inherit my Pantera. But what they will do with it after I'm gone is anybody's guess. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Bill Lewis <[2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:55 AM To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Carpenter <[4]scscottc at gmail.com>, De Tomaso List <[5]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. ---BILL Lewis From: [6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [7]scscottc at gmail.com; [8]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[10]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> From: Scott Carpenter <[11]scscottc at gmail.com<[12]mailto:scscottc at gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[13]detomaso at poca.com<[14]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 3. mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov 4. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 12. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com> 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Mar 25 13:31:24 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:31:24 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor In-Reply-To: References: <59589.2af9f63d.406114d7@aol.com> <1395684905.31126.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9EC9353E78F94986922A10E820D3B1E1@LarryHPPC> Message-ID: <5CB183BABB24495F858B090E0FF0DB0C@LarryHPPC> << Is that a Porn reference?>> Heavens no. We were discussing the journalism in printed mater in the old days and the quality it had. Then I applied that to the current day of information and entertainment brought to us on the internet. The quality of this information has gotten much better. I would presume that if one had an interest in Porn, it to would be at a very good quality today too. Larry (research is needed) - Cleveland _____ From: michaelsavga at gmail.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:12 PM To: Larry - Ohio Time Cc: Bill Lewis; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Is that a Porn reference? Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: Bill my friend, My "old magazines, 8mm film and VCR tapes" have long been replaced by the many facets offered by the internet. A 50" 1080i screen can really bring to life entertainment today. Larry (thanks Al Gore) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:25 AM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. Except, the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- << Is that a Porn reference?>> Heavens no. We were discussing the journalism in printed mater in the old days and the quality it had. Then I applied that to the current day of information and entertainment brought to us on the internet. The quality of this information has gotten much better. I would presume that if one had an interest in Porn, it to would be at a very good quality today too. Larry (research is needed) - Cleveland _______________________________________________________________________ From: michaelsavga at gmail.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:12 PM To: Larry - Ohio Time Cc: Bill Lewis; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Is that a Porn reference? Michael On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: Bill my friend, My "old magazines, 8mm film and VCR tapes" have long been replaced by the many facets offered by the internet. A 50" 1080i screen can really bring to life entertainment today. Larry (thanks Al Gore) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:25 AM To: [3]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I used to subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and along with it came a free subscription to Mountain Biking - which was one of my all-time favorite magazines. They had really great articles that transcended biking. Except, the 4-5 page article about "blacktop surfaces" for roads! [And, Larry, don't you have some old magazines that you look at frequently?] ---BILL Lewis Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:15:05 -0700 From: [4]lashdeep at yahoo.com To: [5]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [6]cengles at cox.net; [7]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor I haven't seen a decent US car or bike magazine in years. Compare any magazine today with an example of the same mag from the 1980s...shocking. I still read all of the old ones from time to time. Classic and Sportscar is quite good nowadays though. The latest C&Ds and R&Ts last exactly 15 mins in our house before being tossed like a frisbee into the bin. LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [8]centralwines.com [9]facebook.com/CentralLiquors [10]202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: "[11]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com> To: [13]cengles at cox.net; [14]detomaso at poca.com Sent: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Automotive Journalism Humor Chuck, Brilliant stuff. To see just how far the standards of American automotive journalism have plunged, pick up the August 1971 issue of Car and Driver, where the Pantera was introduced to the USA for the first time. I was reading that issue in bed last night, and was bowled over at the outstanding prose contained therein. Not just one, but every single writer in that magazine had a marvelous gift for expression, writing with a style and precision that would be completely foreign to virtually all writers today. Sad.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso at poca.com [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [19]DeTomaso at poca.com [20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [21]www.michaelshortt.com [22]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Thank you References 1. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. mailto:cengles at cox.net 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. http://centralwines.com/ 9. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 10. tel:202-737-2800 11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 13. mailto:cengles at cox.net 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From gaino at earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 13:47:21 2014 From: gaino at earthlink.net (bill gaino) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:47:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange Message-ID: <27156895.1395769641825.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Looks like a deal to me too! Bill 1362 -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Lewis >Sent: Mar 25, 2014 12:42 PM >To: Panteras >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange > > Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? > ---BILL Lewis > From: adin at frontier.net > To: detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 > Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange >[1]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pante >ra/ > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature data >base 9590 (20140325) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >[2]http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >References > > 1. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ > 2. http://www.eset.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:06:26 2014 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:06:26 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C2726A2E6904D55A438CBC9BEB12B34@BOSS3A> Mike, where can I get those seats! Terry W. Himes Terry, take a look at 5607... Nicely done. Chuck From rfmccall at comcast.net Tue Mar 25 14:08:26 2014 From: rfmccall at comcast.net (rfmccall at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso] its orange In-Reply-To: <269883878.3006047.1395770887524.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1056737189.3006385.1395770906271.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Watch the You Tube Video. It has A LOT of rust in the door jambs and lower fenders/1/4 panels. Ron From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:15:44 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:15:44 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <8D11591FD607936-F84-50E13@webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I contacted BJ yesterday and they were half way through the application process when I mentioned I was currently insured with American Modern home Insurance Co.. They stopped in their tracks and said"That's who underwrites our coverage , so there is no point in continuing because your premium and coverage will be the same. So Arjun was right when he said BJ and Heacock were both resellers of American modern! I contacted Grundy, and got a quote for $75,000 agreed value and $500K Liability,( My policy with american modern was for $45K agreed value and 100/300 liability and the premium with grundy was lower then what I am paying now!) I also read several blogs on collector car web sights and all the people had positive things to say about grundy. Dennis sanford had his car totaled by Sandy and they paid him off quickly and with no problems (he is the person who told me about Grundy) he bought his car back from the insurance co,. and is in the process of restoring it. Boyd On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Bill Lewis wrote: > With the value of Panteras having gone up 50% and more in the last > couple of years - have many of you increased the "fixed value" on your > insurance policies? (I'm with Heacock, also) ---BILL Lewis > From: julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com; boyd411 at gmail.com > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:42:56 -0700 > CC: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I'm with the BJ endorsed program, it is underwritten by AIG now that TDS > got acq > uired by AIG. It is by far the cheapest option I have found and I have 5 > cars wi > th them, before that I was with American Collectors and halved my > insurance bill > with the switch. > > Julian > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > From: arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com > To: boyd411 at gmail.com > CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > > BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock > Classic i > s one of their re-sellers too). > When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options > for fi > xed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, > Natio > nwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you > go abo > ve that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American > Modern, > Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I > have 4 c > ars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to > actually > use the coverage. > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is > > a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which > > are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a > > subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. > > I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole > > expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my > > insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. > > Boyd > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift > > <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera > > L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for > > classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. > > > > Julian > > > > To: [2]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3]detomaso at poca.com > > From: [4]tmshinro at aol.com > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided > to up > > my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase > value to > > $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it > showed > > the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide > was (m > > aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect > the g > > uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. > > > > > > Tom > > 5186 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Boyd Casey <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com> > > To: detomaso <[6]detomaso at poca.com> > > > > Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > > > Greetings, > > I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to > > increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new > > > > suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the > > insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over > > the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything > > > > that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place > > or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent > > sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of > > > > the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I > > believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this > > would be greatly appreciated. > > Boyd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [8][1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [10][2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > > 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > > 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 4. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com > > 5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com > > 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > > 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > > 8. 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[4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- I contacted BJ yesterday and they were half way through the application process when I mentioned I was currently insured with American Modern home Insurance Co.. They stopped in their tracks and said"That's who underwrites our coverage , so there is no point in continuing because your premium and coverage will be the same. So Arjun was right when he said BJ and Heacock were both resellers of American modern! I contacted Grundy, and got a quote for $75,000 agreed value and $500K Liability,( My policy with american modern was for $45K agreed value and 100/300 liability and the premium with grundy was lower then what I am paying now!) I also read several blogs on collector car web sights and all the people had positive things to say about grundy. Dennis sanford had his car totaled by Sandy and they paid him off quickly and with no problems (he is the person who told me about Grundy) he bought his car back from the insurance co,. and is in the process of restoring it. Boyd On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: With the value of Panteras having gone up 50% and more in the last couple of years - have many of you increased the "fixed value" on your insurance policies? (I'm with Heacock, also) ---BILL Lewis From: [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com To: [3]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com; [4]boyd411 at gmail.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:42:56 -0700 CC: [5]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm with the BJ endorsed program, it is underwritten by AIG now that TDS got acq uired by AIG. It is by far the cheapest option I have found and I have 5 cars wi th them, before that I was with American Collectors and halved my insurance bill with the switch. Julian Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:14:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value From: [6]arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com To: [7]boyd411 at gmail.com CC: [8]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [9]detomaso at poca.com BJ Insurance is a re-seller of American Modern Home Insurance (Heacock Classic i s one of their re-sellers too). When it comes to insuring classic cars, there aren't not too many options for fi xed value insurance coverage. Most regular insurance companies (StateFarm, Natio nwide, GEICO etc.) will do fixed value coverage up to $150K, but when you go abo ve that it's slim pickings - the only choices I have found are American Modern, Chubb (if you bundle with a >$1M home insurance policy), and Hagerty. I have 4 c ars insured through American Modern and luckily haven't had the need to actually use the coverage. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Boyd Casey <[10]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the feed back guys. I already had the Haggerty guide ( it is a handy tool for research on which cars are going up in value and which are declining) My insurance company (American Modern Home) is a subsideary of GEICO and they have been a pain in the ass since day one. I have never had a claim (except one for road service) and that whole expierience was a fiasco. I am seriously considering changing my insurance company. BJ sounds good (it has a nice ring to it!) LOL. Boyd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Julian Kift <[1][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: Hagerty actually has an online valuation tool; condition 1 1973 Pantera L valued at $73,300 as of Dec 2013. There is also a trade guide for classic car valuation, I think it is a Glass's guide. Julian To: [2][12]boyd411 at gmail.com; [3][13]detomaso at poca.com From: [4][14]tmshinro at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I have Barrett-Jackson insurance and when it came time to renew I decided to up my agreed upon value. When I told my agent what I wanted to increase value to $60K she looked it up in some kind of classic car price guide and said it showed the value to be $72K. I can't remember what the name of the price guide was (m aybe Hemmings). So one of your sources would be such a guide. I suspect the g uide would not reflect the cost of upgrades you made though. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Boyd Casey <[5][15]boyd411 at gmail.com> To: detomaso <[6][16]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Greetings, I am in the process of renewing my Pantera's insurance and I want to increase the insured value. Besides the thousands I have spent on new suspension , brembo brakes, cv loints updated ac etc. I told the insurance company that the market value of Panteras has increased over the years I have owned my car ( since 2008). Does anyone have anything that would support the current values of Panteras in the market place or any suggestions as to a source for this info. They suggested recent sales records.I know some of you follow this and I have seen allot of the Panteras sold on E-bay for higher prices but once they are sold I believe the ebay info is no longer accessible.So any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Boyd _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7][17]DeTomaso at poca.com [8][1][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9][19]DeTomaso at poca.com [10][2][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[21]julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:[22]boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:[23]detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:[24]tmshinro at aol.com 5. mailto:[25]boyd411 at gmail.com 6. mailto:[26]detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:[27]DeTomaso at poca.com 8. [3][28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com 10. 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[39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [40]DeTomaso at poca.com [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com 4. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:arjun.ghoshdastidar at gmail.com 7. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 8. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 11. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 12. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 15. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 22. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 24. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 25. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 26. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 33. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 34. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 37. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From algisby at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:15:59 2014 From: algisby at hotmail.com (Al Gisby) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:15:59 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Herbie goes to MonteCarlo Message-ID: To all Panterians... How many Pantera's where actually used in this film! I'm sure I counted 3.Are the VIN numbers known? CiaoAl#1925 -------------- next part -------------- To all Panterians... How many Pantera's where actually used in this film! I'm sure I counted 3. Are the VIN numbers known? Ciao Al #1925 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 14:18:15 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... Message-ID: <34a47.29a4eadd.40632267@aol.com> Hi guys, Just saw this.... http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAGERTY Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Just saw this.... http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAGERT Y Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 14:18:41 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Message-ID: <34a9b.69c062ba.40632281@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/14 7 53 25, terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > Mike, where can I get those seats! ? > >>>Yes, they were fairly radical-looking, and presumably not very comfortable, so they didn't make it into production. The thing is, De Tomaso had already produced quite a few of these (steel, not aluminum) shells. Not wanting to waste anything, these were upholstered in the conventional manner, and became the factory racing seat as fitted to the Gr4 race Panteras. A few European owners bought leftovers from the factory to fit to their street cars. Bill Milburn owned a '72 Euro GTS that was the factory Geneva show car; when I was at his house years ago taking a million photos of it, he showed me some other bits and bobs that had come with it, including one of the factory racing seats. I was amazed to see a row of holes running all the way down the back and the bottom, evenly spaced--a pair of holes for each of the horizontal bars from the prototype design.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/25/14 7 53 25, terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Mike, where can I get those seats! >>>Yes, they were fairly radical-looking, and presumably not very comfortable, so they didn't make it into production. The thing is, De Tomaso had already produced quite a few of these (steel, not aluminum) shells. Not wanting to waste anything, these were upholstered in the conventional manner, and became the factory racing seat as fitted to the Gr4 race Panteras. A few European owners bought leftovers from the factory to fit to their street cars. Bill Milburn owned a '72 Euro GTS that was the factory Geneva show car; when I was at his house years ago taking a million photos of it, he showed me some other bits and bobs that had come with it, including one of the factory racing seats. I was amazed to see a row of holes running all the way down the back and the bottom, evenly spaced--a pair of holes for each of the horizontal bars from the prototype design.... Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 14:18:46 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Message-ID: <34aaf.4bbcbee0.40632286@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/14 8 57 34, grayjim at att.net writes: > Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? > I believe only one set was ever made, appearing in the original prototype. That car still exists, lurking in a garage in Modena, although I don't know if it still has those seats. It is reputed to be owned by Bertocci's widow, although Steve Wilkinson has told me that HE owns it but just hasn't collected it yet. Perhaps it's still a negotiation-in-progress? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/25/14 8 57 34, grayjim at att.net writes: Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? I believe only one set was ever made, appearing in the original prototype. That car still exists, lurking in a garage in Modena, although I don't know if it still has those seats. It is reputed to be owned by Bertocci's widow, although Steve Wilkinson has told me that HE owns it but just hasn't collected it yet. Perhaps it's still a negotiation-in-progress? Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 14:18:51 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Somebody steals a car on E-bay.... Message-ID: <34ac5.7b761fa.4063228a@aol.com> Hi guys, Just saw this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ebaymotors/1974-De-Tomaso-Pantera-/131140904530 This car sold for only $40K? The buyer is in Austria. I don't know how this slipped under the radar, because I think in today's market this car should be worth substantially more? Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Just saw this: [1]http://cgi.ebay.de/ebaymotors/1974-De-Tomaso-Pantera-/131140904530 This car sold for only $40K? The buyer is in Austria. I don't know how this slipped under the radar, because I think in today's market this car should be worth substantially more? Mike References 1. http://cgi.ebay.de/ebaymotors/1974-De-Tomaso-Pantera-/131140904530?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 14:18:48 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale Message-ID: <34ab9.5efdea12.40632288@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/14 2 44 29, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ > and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. > Or maybe my copy and paste will work below > >>>Why not just give the direct link to the image? http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg I always thought those wheels were by Etoile? These are very high-quality wheels, regardless! Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/25/14 2 44 29, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. Or maybe my copy and paste will work below >>>Why not just give the direct link to the image? http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg I always thought those wheels were by Etoile? These are very high-quality wheels, regardless! Mike From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:28:52 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:28:52 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale In-Reply-To: <34ab9.5efdea12.40632288@aol.com> References: <34ab9.5efdea12.40632288@aol.com> Message-ID: Why? Because I was lazy, I guess. Didn't the embedded image come through? Probably too big... Etoile, Gotti... As DQ explained to me, one bought the other or the other bought the one or something. They're supposedly the same wheels. Any clarification there would be good, but a quick googleoscopy yielded nothing other than nobody can remember. :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/14 2 44 29, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > > If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ > > and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. > Or maybe my copy and paste will work below > > > >>>Why not just give the direct link to the image? > > http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg > > I always thought those wheels were by Etoile? > > These are very high-quality wheels, regardless! > > Mike -------------- next part -------------- Why? Because I was lazy, I guess. Didn't the embedded image come through? Probably too big... Etoile, Gotti... As DQ explained to me, one bought the other or the other bought the one or something. They're supposedly the same wheels. Any clarification there would be good,A but a quick googleoscopy yielded nothing other than nobody can remember. :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/25/14 2 44 29, [2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: If you go here: [3]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. Or maybe my copy and paste will work below >>>Why not just give the direct link to the image? [4]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg I always thought those wheels were by Etoile? These are very high-quality wheels, regardless! Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 3. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ 4. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:29:26 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:29:26 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Somebody steals a car on E-bay.... In-Reply-To: <34ac5.7b761fa.4063228a@aol.com> References: <34ac5.7b761fa.4063228a@aol.com> Message-ID: Maybe, but it needes some bodywork and a new dash for starters. It was discussed on the PI forum with one Autralian potential new owner bidding on it, he got beat out in the last few seconds by an autobid. Sometimes I think people don't go in with their absolute best bid and then live to regret it. Julian From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:51 -0400 To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Somebody steals a car on E-bay.... Hi guys, Just saw this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ebaymotors/1974-De-Tomaso-Pantera-/131140904530 This car sold for only $40K? The buyer is in Austria. I don't know how this slipped under the radar, because I think in today's market this car should be worth substantially more? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Maybe, but it needes some bodywork and a new dash for starters. It was discussed on the PI forum with one Autralian potential new owner bidding on it, he got beat out in the last few seconds by an autobid. Sometimes I think people don't go in with their absolute best bid and then live to regret it. Julian From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:18:51 -0400 To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Somebody steals a car on E-bay.... Hi guys, Just saw this: [1]http://cgi.ebay.de/ebaymotors/1974-De-Tomaso-Pantera-/131140904530 This car sold for only $40K? The buyer is in Austria. I don't know how this slipped under the radar, because I think in today's market this car should be worth substantially more? Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://cgi.ebay.de/ebaymotors/1974-De-Tomaso-Pantera-/131140904530 From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:30:41 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:30:41 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: <34a9b.69c062ba.40632281@aol.com> References: <34a9b.69c062ba.40632281@aol.com> Message-ID: Michael, I think your right on with the seats.They look like they are right off the set of a sci fi flick. They look cool but I'm sure that curve would be very uncomfortable! They do look cool though. Early space ship look! Boyd On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 3/25/14 7 53 25, terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: > > Mike, where can I get those seats! > > >>>Yes, they were fairly radical-looking, and presumably not very > comfortable, so they didn't make it into production. The thing is, De > Tomaso had already produced quite a few of these (steel, not aluminum) > shells. Not wanting to waste anything, these were upholstered in the > conventional manner, and became the factory racing seat as fitted to > the Gr4 race Panteras. A few European owners bought leftovers from the > factory to fit to their street cars. > Bill Milburn owned a '72 Euro GTS that was the factory Geneva show car; > when I was at his house years ago taking a million photos of it, he > showed me some other bits and bobs that had come with it, including one > of the factory racing seats. I was amazed to see a row of holes > running all the way down the back and the bottom, evenly spaced--a pair > of holes for each of the horizontal bars from the prototype design.... > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Michael, I think your right on with the seats.They look like they are right off the set of a sci fi flick. They look cool but I'm sure that curve would be very uncomfortable! They do look cool though. Early space ship look! Boyd On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/25/14 7 53 25, [2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov writes: Mike, where can I get those seats! >>>Yes, they were fairly radical-looking, and presumably not very comfortable, so they didn't make it into production. The thing is, De Tomaso had already produced quite a few of these (steel, not aluminum) shells. Not wanting to waste anything, these were upholstered in the conventional manner, and became the factory racing seat as fitted to the Gr4 race Panteras. A few European owners bought leftovers from the factory to fit to their street cars. Bill Milburn owned a '72 Euro GTS that was the factory Geneva show car; when I was at his house years ago taking a million photos of it, he showed me some other bits and bobs that had come with it, including one of the factory racing seats. I was amazed to see a row of holes running all the way down the back and the bottom, evenly spaced--a pair of holes for each of the horizontal bars from the prototype design.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tmshinro at aol.com Tue Mar 25 14:43:33 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: its orange In-Reply-To: <8D1167133411C4B-1358-52153@webmail-vm048.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1167133411C4B-1358-52153@webmail-vm048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D1167141FB981B-1358-52160@webmail-vm048.sysops.aol.com> If you look at the video on the eBay ad you will see there is rust bubbles at the bottom of both B pillars (worse on driver side). You can also see rust bubbles on the outside of the quarter panel at the bottom of the B pillar. I'm thinking the car needs some serious rust repair in that area. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lewis To: Panteras Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:43 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: adin at frontier.net To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange [1]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pante ra/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature data base 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [2]http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 2. http://www.eset.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- If you look at the video on the eBay ad you will see there is rust bubbles at the bottom of both B pillars (worse on driver side). You can also see rust bubbles on the outside of the quarter panel at the bottom of the B pillar. I'm thinking the car needs some serious rust repair in that area. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> To: Panteras <[2]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:43 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: [3]adin at frontier.net To: [4]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange [1][5]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pa nte ra/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature data base 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [2][6]http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at poca.com [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [9]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso -pantera/ 2. [10]http://www.eset.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. mailto:adin at frontier.net 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pante 6. http://www.eset.com/ 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 10. http://www.eset.com/ 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 15:21:18 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:21:18 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... In-Reply-To: <34a47.29a4eadd.40632267@aol.com> References: <34a47.29a4eadd.40632267@aol.com> Message-ID: I knew I liked that guy. GO Spartans!! I hope the business stays the same. Sadly I fear it will not. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:18 AM To: "detomaso at POCA.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... Hi guys, Just saw this.... http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAGERTY Mike -------------- next part -------------- I knew I liked that guy. GO Spartans!! I hope the business stays the same. Sadly I fear it will not. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:18 AM To: "[4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... Hi guys, Just saw this.... [6]http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAG ERTY Mike References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 6. http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAGERTY From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 15:29:48 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:29:48 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: its orange In-Reply-To: <8D1167141FB981B-1358-52160@webmail-vm048.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1167133411C4B-1358-52153@webmail-vm048.sysops.aol.com> <8D1167141FB981B-1358-52160@webmail-vm048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yep! You guys are correct. Good eyes. The same place mine had rust. I found it after sanding it down to the metal. So, one would have to figure $6-8k for body work and repaint job if not doing it yourself? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Tom Shinrock > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:43 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: its orange If you look at the video on the eBay ad you will see there is rust bubbles at the bottom of both B pillars (worse on driver side). You can also see rust bubbles on the outside of the quarter panel at the bottom of the B pillar. I'm thinking the car needs some serious rust repair in that area. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lewis > To: Panteras > Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:43 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: adin at frontier.net To: detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange [1]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pante ra/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature data base 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [2]http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 2. http://www.eset.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Yep! You guys are correct. Good eyes. The same place mine had rust. I found it after sanding it down to the metal. So, one would have to figure $6-8k for body work and repaint job if not doing it yourself? Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Tom Shinrock <[2]tmshinro at aol.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:43 AM To: "[3]detomaso at poca.com" <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: its orange If you look at the video on the eBay ad you will see there is rust bubbles at the bottom of both B pillars (worse on driver side). You can also see rust bubbles on the outside of the quarter panel at the bottom of the B pillar. I'm thinking the car needs some serious rust repair in that area. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lewis <[5]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> To: Panteras <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:43 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] its orange Seems like a pretty darn good buy! What are other's thoughts? ---BILL Lewis From: [7]adin at frontier.net To: [8]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:54 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] its orange [1][9]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-de tomaso-pante ra/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature data base 9590 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. [2][10]http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [13]http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-deto maso-pantera/ 2. [14]http://www.eset.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso at poca.com [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:adin at frontier.net 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pante 10. http://www.eset.com/ 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/24/chrome-bumper-bargain-1971-detomaso-pantera/ 14. http://www.eset.com/ 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From grayjim at att.net Tue Mar 25 16:16:46 2014 From: grayjim at att.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... In-Reply-To: References: <34a47.29a4eadd.40632267@aol.com> Message-ID: <1395778606.62187.YahooMailNeo@web185403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> FWIK, McKeel Hagerty, the son, has been running the thing for years. From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... ? I knew I liked that guy.? GO Spartans!! ? I hope the business stays the same.? Sadly I fear it will not. ? Terry W. Himes ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory ? Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead ? Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead ? Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead ? Phone: (818) 393-6261 ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 ? Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147 ? [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ? From: "[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> ? Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:18 AM ? To: "[4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5]detomaso at POCA.com> ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... ? Hi guys, ? Just saw this.... ? [6]http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAG ? ERTY ? Mike References ? 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ? 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com ? 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com ? 4. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com ? 5. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com ? 6. http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAGERTY _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- FWIK, McKeel Hagerty, the son, has been running the thing for years. From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" ; "detomaso at POCA.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... I knew I liked that guy. GO Spartans!! I hope the business stays the same. Sadly I fear it will not. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: "[2][2]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[3][3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:18 AM To: "[4][4]detomaso at POCA.com" <[5][5]detomaso at POCA.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty RIP.... Hi guys, Just saw this.... [6][6]http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank- HAG ERTY Mike References 1. mailto:[7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:[10]detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:[11]detomaso at POCA.com 6. [12]http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HA GERTY _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso at poca.com [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 5. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 6. http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAG 7. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 9. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 10. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 11. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 12. http://www.hagerty.com/Articles-Videos/Articles/2014/03/19/Frank-HAGERTY 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rgg at gregorycook.com Tue Mar 25 17:04:22 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:04:22 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: <34aaf.4bbcbee0.40632286@aol.com> References: <34aaf.4bbcbee0.40632286@aol.com> Message-ID: <9916e59f481c4fd3bcf2b2327968efb6@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Mike, Are you sure? I remember seeing a car with those seats at the factory museum the first trip we made there. Was the original prototype in the museum back then? Or was there perhaps another prototype something there with those seats? Or am I just dreaming that? Gray -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:19 PM To: grayjim at att.net; michael at michaelshortt.com; terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In a message dated 3/25/14 8 57 34, grayjim at att.net writes: > Has anyone ever actually "seen" a set of those seats? > I believe only one set was ever made, appearing in the original prototype. That car still exists, lurking in a garage in Modena, although I don't know if it still has those seats. It is reputed to be owned by Bertocci's widow, although Steve Wilkinson has told me that HE owns it but just hasn't collected it yet. Perhaps it's still a negotiation-in-progress? Mike From rob at dumoulins.net Tue Mar 25 17:41:45 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:41:45 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I > guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some > recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to > become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it > were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the > sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the > drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to > see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [3]scscottc at gmail.com; [4]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[7]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[9]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I > guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some > recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to > become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it > were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the > sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the > drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to > see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com > [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [13]DeTomaso at poca.com > [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 8. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 18:14:25 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! Message-ID: <63230.53512171.406359c1@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/14 14 04 27, rgg at gregorycook.com writes: > Are you sure? I remember seeing a car with those seats at the factory > museum the first trip we made there. Was the original prototype in the museum > back then? Or was there perhaps another prototype something there with > those seats? Or am I just dreaming that? > >>>You're just dreaming. :>) The only car that had something odd was the three-seat Pantera (which was made by plopping Pantera sheetmetal atop a Maserati Merak chassis--the car had no VIN that we could find, and now lives in Belgium, an odd engineering cul-de-sac). Although the seats in that car were/are unusual, they are nothing like those fitted to the prototype. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/25/14 14 04 27, rgg at gregorycook.com writes: Are you sure? I remember seeing a car with those seats at the factory museum the first trip we made there. Was the original prototype in the museum back then? Or was there perhaps another prototype something there with those seats? Or am I just dreaming that? >>>You're just dreaming. :>) The only car that had something odd was the three-seat Pantera (which was made by plopping Pantera sheetmetal atop a Maserati Merak chassis--the car had no VIN that we could find, and now lives in Belgium, an odd engineering cul-de-sac). Although the seats in that car were/are unusual, they are nothing like those fitted to the prototype. Mike From coreyjprice at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 18:49:51 2014 From: coreyjprice at gmail.com (Corey Price) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:49:51 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Still looking for interest in a modern transaxle Message-ID: <7A343E36-5D86-4BA6-9AC5-F348E6472A6F@gmail.com> If you have interest, please send me an email privately for details. The possible replacement tranny will soon be offered in a 6 speed version and a paddle shifting hybrid 6 speed version. No flaming, please! Yes the ZF works okay! Corey From boyd411 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 18:58:07 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:58:07 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the rising value is the most important reason to keep updating the agreed value of your insurance! That way if something (god forbid) does happen you will get enough money to repair or replace you pantera. I don't care how much they go up as long as i can get adequate coverage I will keep driving mine. As far as young guys go when I managed a Honda ? BMW franchise there were plenty of young guys into cars, the differnce is that they were into "rice burners!" It;s actually amazing they take front wheel drive 4 cylinder cars (like civics) put big turbos on them and some are turning under 8 sec 1/4 miles!I think the young guys today face the same issues we did when we were young, the really cool cars are just too much money! So they work with what they can afford. Here is a car I found on google 17. Rosado Racing / Alex Dieguez (USA)* * Car: 1982 Toyota Corolla Chassis: 3/4 Chassis (RWD) Engine: Toyota 3S-GTE Best ET: 7.09 @ 194.80 mph Video: http://www.grs-motorsports.net/noticias ... 09/123.wmv Hard to believe! a 194mph 1983 Toyota Corolla! Who would have thunk? Boyd P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) as the quote I got from Grundy. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rob Dumoulin wrote: > Response inline > > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before > - > > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't > > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of > > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question > is, > > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? > > ----------------------------------------- > > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on > > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV > > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn > out a > > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to > > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > > . > > ---BILL Lewis > > From: [2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > > To: [3]scscottc at gmail.com; [4]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) > will alway > > s drive them! > > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and > driving my > > Pantera. > > > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > > s much. In 2035 it > > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars on the hi > > ghway. ;-) > > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > > > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > > > > From: Scott Carpenter > <[7]scscottc at gmail.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > > To: De Tomaso List > <[9]detomaso at poca.com> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, > > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I > > guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will > probably > > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some > > recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want > it to > > become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive > them. > > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it > > were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question > the > > sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans > where the > > drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back > to > > see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > > > Scott > > #1523 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [13]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > References > > 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 3. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 7. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 8. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- I think the rising value is the most important reason to keep updating the agreed value of your insurance! That way if something (god forbid) does happen you will get enough money to repair or replace you pantera. I don't care how much they go up as long as i can get adequate coverage I will keep driving mine. As far as young guys go when I managed a Honda ? BMW franchise there were plenty of young guys into cars, the differnce is that they were into "rice burners!" It;s actually amazing they take front wheel drive 4 cylinder cars (like civics) put big turbos on them and some are turning under 8 sec 1/4 miles!I think the young guys today face the same issues we did when we were young, the really cool cars are just too much money! So they work with what they can afford. Here is a car I found on google 17. Rosado Racing / Alex Dieguez (USA)* * Car: 1982 [1]Toyota Corolla Chassis: 3/4 Chassis (RWD) Engine: Toyota 3S-GTE Best ET: 7.09 @ 194.80 mph Video: [2]http://www.grs-motorsports.net/noticias ... 09/123.wmv Hard to believe! a 194mph 1983 Toyota Corolla! Who would have thunk? Boyd P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) as the quote I got from Grundy. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[3]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[1][4]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [2][5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [3][6]scscottc at gmail.com; [4][7]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: [8](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [9](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [10](818) 393-3147 > [5][11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[7][13]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[9][15]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I > guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some > recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to > become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it > were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the > sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the > drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to > see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11][17]DeTomaso at poca.com > [12][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [13][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > [14][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References 1. mailto:[21]lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:[22]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:[23]scscottc at gmail.com 4. mailto:[24]detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:[25]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:[26]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. mailto:[27]scscottc at gmail.com 8. mailto:[28]scscottc at gmail.com 9. mailto:[29]detomaso at poca.com 10. mailto:[30]detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:[31]DeTomaso at poca.com 12. 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[34]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [35]DeTomaso at poca.com [36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=toyota+corolla 2. http://www.grs-motorsports.net/noticias 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 5. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 9. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 10. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 11. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 12. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 13. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 14. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 22. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 23. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 25. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 26. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 27. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 28. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 29. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 30. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 33. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 34. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 20:20:55 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:20:55 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Plus add what was mentioned before? movies like "Fast & Furious" make them "Cool". Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:58 PM To: Rob Dumoulin > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I think the rising value is the most important reason to keep updating the agreed value of your insurance! That way if something (god forbid) does happen you will get enough money to repair or replace you pantera. I don't care how much they go up as long as i can get adequate coverage I will keep driving mine. As far as young guys go when I managed a Honda ? BMW franchise there were plenty of young guys into cars, the differnce is that they were into "rice burners!" It;s actually amazing they take front wheel drive 4 cylinder cars (like civics) put big turbos on them and some are turning under 8 sec 1/4 miles!I think the young guys today face the same issues we did when we were young, the really cool cars are just too much money! So they work with what they can afford. Here is a car I found on google 17. Rosado Racing / Alex Dieguez (USA)* * Car: 1982 Toyota Corolla Chassis: 3/4 Chassis (RWD) Engine: Toyota 3S-GTE Best ET: 7.09 @ 194.80 mph Video: http://www.grs-motorsports.net/noticias ... 09/123.wmv Hard to believe! a 194mph 1983 Toyota Corolla! Who would have thunk? Boyd P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) as the quote I got from Grundy. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rob Dumoulin > wrote: Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [3]scscottc at gmail.com; [4]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[7]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[9]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I > guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some > recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to > become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it > were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the > sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the > drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to > see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com > [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [13]DeTomaso at poca.com > [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 8. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Plus add what was mentioned before... movies like "Fast & Furious" make them "Cool". Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:58 PM To: Rob Dumoulin <[3]rob at dumoulins.net> Cc: De Tomaso List <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I think the rising value is the most important reason to keep updating the agreed value of your insurance! That way if something (god forbid) does happen you will get enough money to repair or replace you pantera. I don't care how much they go up as long as i can get adequate coverage I will keep driving mine. As far as young guys go when I managed a Honda ? BMW franchise there were plenty of young guys into cars, the differnce is that they were into "rice burners!" It;s actually amazing they take front wheel drive 4 cylinder cars (like civics) put big turbos on them and some are turning under 8 sec 1/4 miles!I think the young guys today face the same issues we did when we were young, the really cool cars are just too much money! So they work with what they can afford. Here is a car I found on google 17. Rosado Racing / Alex Dieguez (USA)* * Car: 1982 Toyota Corolla<[5]http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=toyota+corolla> Chassis: 3/4 Chassis (RWD) Engine: Toyota 3S-GTE Best ET: 7.09 @ 194.80 mph Video: [6]http://www.grs-motorsports.net/noticias ... 09/123.wmv Hard to believe! a 194mph 1983 Toyota Corolla! Who would have thunk? Boyd P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) as the quote I got from Grundy. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[7]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[1][8]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [2][9]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [3][10]scscottc at gmail.com; [4][11]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [5][12]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[13]mailto:[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[7][14]scscottc at gmail.com<[15]mailto:[8]scscottc at gmail.com>> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[9][16]detomaso at poca.com<[17]mailto:[10]detomaso at poca.com>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I > guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some > recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to > become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it > were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the > sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the > drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to > see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11][18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [12][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [13][20]DeTomaso at poca.com > [14][21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References 1. [22]mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 2. [23]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. [24]mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 4. [25]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. [26]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. [27]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 7. [28]mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 8. [29]mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 9. [30]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 10. [31]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. [32]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. [33]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. [34]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 14. [35]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [36]DeTomaso at poca.com [37]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=toyota+corolla 6. http://www.grs-motorsports.net/noticias 7. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 8. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 9. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 12. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 13. mailto:[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 14. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 15. mailto:[8]scscottc at gmail.com> 16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:[10]detomaso at poca.com> 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 23. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 24. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 26. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 27. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 28. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 29. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 30. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 31. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 34. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 37. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Tue Mar 25 20:53:42 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:53:42 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale In-Reply-To: References: <34ab9.5efdea12.40632288@aol.com> Message-ID: <008a01cf488d$d5caf3b0$8160db10$@net> Dear Kirby, I happen to know a bit about this trivia of wheels. The short story is that the original corporation was Gotti. Gotti begat Etoile. Etoile begat Kinesis. Essentially one corporation with different names and designs in different decades. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Kirby Schrader Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:29 PM To: MikeLDrew at aol.com Cc: Panteras Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale Why? Because I was lazy, I guess. Didn't the embedded image come through? Probably too big... Etoile, Gotti... As DQ explained to me, one bought the other or the other bought the one or something. They're supposedly the same wheels. Any clarification there would be good, but a quick googleoscopy yielded nothing other than nobody can remember. :-) Kirby On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/14 2 44 29, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: > > > If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ > > and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. > Or maybe my copy and paste will work below > > > >>>Why not just give the direct link to the image? > > http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg > > I always thought those wheels were by Etoile? > > These are very high-quality wheels, regardless! > > Mike From asajay at asajay.com Tue Mar 25 21:36:04 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:36:04 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53322F04.7070408@asajay.com> So, the thing that ticks me off with respect to these other insurers, is that they -all- (except for Hagerty so far) want to insure my other cars in order to get that "great price" on my classic. I don't want them to insure my other cars, I'm totally satisfied with my present carrier. I only want coverage on my classic. For example, I just came from Grundy's web site. They won't process the on-line quote unless you list at least three vehicles and two different categories. WTH? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/25/2014 3:58 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) > as the quote I got from Grundy. > From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 22:04:32 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:04:32 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: <53322F04.7070408@asajay.com> References: , , <53322F04.7070408@asajay.com> Message-ID: Asa, That is usually to establish that you have two daily drivers and that your classic is used as such and not your daily driver. Most all the classic insurers have over riders against classic use for daily driving, to and from work etc. to ensure the risk is in line with the lower premium classics afford through limited mileage. Julian > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:36:04 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > So, the thing that ticks me off with respect to these other insurers, is > that they -all- (except for Hagerty so far) want to insure my other cars > in order to get that "great price" on my classic. I don't want them to > insure my other cars, I'm totally satisfied with my present carrier. I > only want coverage on my classic. > > For example, I just came from Grundy's web site. They won't process the > on-line quote unless you list at least three vehicles and two different > categories. WTH? > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/25/2014 3:58 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) > > as the quote I got from Grundy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Asa, That is usually to establish that you have two daily drivers and that your classic is used as such and not your daily driver. Most all the classic insurers have over riders against classic use for daily driving, to and from work etc. to ensure the risk is in line with the lower premium classics afford through limited mileage. Julian > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:36:04 -0700 > From: asajay at asajay.com > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > So, the thing that ticks me off with respect to these other insurers, is > that they -all- (except for Hagerty so far) want to insure my other cars > in order to get that "great price" on my classic. I don't want them to > insure my other cars, I'm totally satisfied with my present carrier. I > only want coverage on my classic. > > For example, I just came from Grundy's web site. They won't process the > on-line quote unless you list at least three vehicles and two different > categories. WTH? > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > On 3/25/2014 3:58 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > > P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) > > as the quote I got from Grundy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 22:07:05 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:07:05 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale In-Reply-To: <008a01cf488d$d5caf3b0$8160db10$@net> References: <34ab9.5efdea12.40632288@aol.com> <008a01cf488d$d5caf3b0$8160db10$@net> Message-ID: <5699916C-7C5F-4AE9-9647-A278037A7CED@gmail.com> Chuck, Very good! I was not aware of the Kinesis connection? which is now somebody else also. Thanks, Kirby On Mar 25, 2014, at 19:53, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Kirby, > > > I happen to know a bit about this trivia of wheels. > > > The short story is that the original corporation was Gotti. Gotti begat Etoile. Etoile begat Kinesis. Essentially one corporation with different names and designs in different decades. > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Kirby Schrader > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:29 PM > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Cc: Panteras > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale > > Why? Because I was lazy, I guess. > Didn't the embedded image come through? Probably too big... > > Etoile, Gotti... As DQ explained to me, one bought the other or the other bought the one or something. > They're supposedly the same wheels. Any clarification there would be good, but a quick googleoscopy yielded nothing other than nobody can remember. > :-) > > Kirby > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 3/25/14 2 44 29, kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes: >> >> >> If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ >> >> and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. >> Or maybe my copy and paste will work below >> >> >>>>> Why not just give the direct link to the image? >> >> http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/files/img_1917.jpg >> >> I always thought those wheels were by Etoile? >> >> These are very high-quality wheels, regardless! >> >> Mike > From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Mar 25 22:08:55 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 02:08:55 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <53322F04.7070408@asajay.com> Message-ID: That is true. Even Haggerty makes sure you are not using the classic car as daily driver. Plus they DO NOT cover the car if you even think about putting it on the track. I believe I had to sign-off on that one. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Julian Kift > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:04 PM To: "asajay at asajay.com" >, "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Asa, That is usually to establish that you have two daily drivers and that your classic is used as such and not your daily driver. Most all the classic insurers have over riders against classic use for daily driving, to and from work etc. to ensure the risk is in line with the lower premium classics afford through limited mileage. Julian Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:36:04 -0700 From: asajay at asajay.com To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value So, the thing that ticks me off with respect to these other insurers, is that they -all- (except for Hagerty so far) want to insure my other cars in order to get that "great price" on my classic. I don't want them to insure my other cars, I'm totally satisfied with my present carrier. I only want coverage on my classic. For example, I just came from Grundy's web site. They won't process the on-line quote unless you list at least three vehicles and two different categories. WTH? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/25/2014 3:58 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) > as the quote I got from Grundy. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- That is true. Even Haggerty makes sure you are not using the classic car as daily driver. Plus they DO NOT cover the car if you even think about putting it on the track. I believe I had to sign-off on that one. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:04 PM To: "[3]asajay at asajay.com" <[4]asajay at asajay.com>, "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Asa, That is usually to establish that you have two daily drivers and that your classic is used as such and not your daily driver. Most all the classic insurers have over riders against classic use for daily driving, to and from work etc. to ensure the risk is in line with the lower premium classics afford through limited mileage. Julian Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:36:04 -0700 From: [7]asajay at asajay.com To: [8]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value So, the thing that ticks me off with respect to these other insurers, is that they -all- (except for Hagerty so far) want to insure my other cars in order to get that "great price" on my classic. I don't want them to insure my other cars, I'm totally satisfied with my present carrier. I only want coverage on my classic. For example, I just came from Grundy's web site. They won't process the on-line quote unless you list at least three vehicles and two different categories. WTH? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [9]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [11]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/25/2014 3:58 PM, Boyd Casey wrote: > P.S. I called Hagerty and their premium was twice as much (literally) > as the quote I got from Grundy. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 10. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 11. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 22:13:37 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... Message-ID: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> Hi guys, Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my seat! The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpaper_02 .htm So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my seat! The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpap er_02.htm So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 22:14:46 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Message-ID: <6a724.60e5ae68.40639216@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/14 19 05 39, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes: > > That is usually to establish that you have two daily drivers and that your > classic is used as such and not your daily driver. Most all the classic > insurers have over riders against classic use for daily driving, to and from > work etc. to ensure the risk is in line with the lower premium classics > afford through limited mileage. > >>>Heacock doesn't insist that you insure your regular cars with them (in fact they have no provisions for insuring regular cars), but I did have to provide a copy of my regular car insurance policy to establish that I did, in fact, have cars other than the ones I was insuring with them. They then required me to raise my liability coverage limits on my regular cars to match the one I was seeking from them. Apparently deep pockets laws mean that if you had low liability limits on your Brand X car, and got into a wreck, unscrupulous lawyers could go after a settlement from your collector policy even though that wasn't the car you were driving at the time! Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/25/14 19 05 39, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes: That is usually to establish that you have two daily drivers and that your classic is used as such and not your daily driver. Most all the classic insurers have over riders against classic use for daily driving, to and from work etc. to ensure the risk is in line with the lower premium classics afford through limited mileage. >>>Heacock doesn't insist that you insure your regular cars with them (in fact they have no provisions for insuring regular cars), but I did have to provide a copy of my regular car insurance policy to establish that I did, in fact, have cars other than the ones I was insuring with them. They then required me to raise my liability coverage limits on my regular cars to match the one I was seeking from them. Apparently deep pockets laws mean that if you had low liability limits on your Brand X car, and got into a wreck, unscrupulous lawyers could go after a settlement from your collector policy even though that wasn't the car you were driving at the time! Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Mar 25 22:14:48 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale Message-ID: <6a725.1ad4433d.40639218@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/14 17 53 43, cengles at cox.net writes: > ? ? ? ? ? ?? I happen to know a bit about this trivia of wheels. > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? The short story is that the original corporation was Gotti.?? > Gotti begat Etoile.?? Etoile begat Kinesis.?? Essentially one corporation > with different names and designs in different decades.? > > >>>Chuck, I think you may have been standing a bit too close to your anesthesiologist when he pulled the mask off your last patient? :>) Gotti was, and is, a French company that has been in continuous business since 1966: http://www.gotti.fr/ Apparently Gotti was acquired by Etoile, another French company, and then they were both swallowed up by Ronal, yet another French company. The Gotti name is the one with longevity so the company exists with that name to this day. The US importer was an outfit in Tustin, CA called Topline. I believe they folded their tent in the late 1990s. Kinesis was a So-Cal outfit (years ago I toured the Kinesis factory) founded in the mid-1990s, but I saw no evidence of anything other than Kinesis going on there. They disappeared for awhile, but apparently they are back in business. Their website has been hacked by an odd spammer that uses it as a platform to spread generic information about how to get a good real estate agent, etc. http://www.kinesismotorsport.com/ But Kinesis is apparently still up and running, in Poway, CA. They maintain a presence on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KinesisMotorsport And there are recent updates there. Also, no Kinesis wheels look like Gotti/Etoile. >From where did you get the idea that Kinesis was an outgrowth of the French companies? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/25/14 17 53 43, cengles at cox.net writes: I happen to know a bit about this trivia of wheels. The short story is that the original corporation was Gotti. Gotti begat Etoile. Etoile begat Kinesis. Essentially one corporation with different names and designs in different decades. >>>Chuck, I think you may have been standing a bit too close to your anesthesiologist when he pulled the mask off your last patient? :>) Gotti was, and is, a French company that has been in continuous business since 1966: http://www.gotti.fr/ Apparently Gotti was acquired by Etoile, another French company, and then they were both swallowed up by Ronal, yet another French company. The Gotti name is the one with longevity so the company exists with that name to this day. The US importer was an outfit in Tustin, CA called Topline. I believe they folded their tent in the late 1990s. Kinesis was a So-Cal outfit (years ago I toured the Kinesis factory) founded in the mid-1990s, but I saw no evidence of anything other than Kinesis going on there. They disappeared for awhile, but apparently they are back in business. Their website has been hacked by an odd spammer that uses it as a platform to spread generic information about how to get a good real estate agent, etc. http://www.kinesismotorsport.com/ But Kinesis is apparently still up and running, in Poway, CA. They maintain a presence on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KinesisMotorsport And there are recent updates there. Also, no Kinesis wheels look like Gotti/Etoile. From where did you get the idea that Kinesis was an outgrowth of the French companies? Mike From rgg at gregorycook.com Tue Mar 25 22:38:49 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 02:38:49 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In-Reply-To: <63230.53512171.406359c1@aol.com> References: <63230.53512171.406359c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3e94f009cb3d44fc86ef4c8683a4dc28@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Yes I remember the 3 seat Pantera. It had a white interior if I remember correctly, but I still remember seeing something somewhere with those seats... Gray From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:14 PM To: Gray Gregory; grayjim at att.net; michael at michaelshortt.com; terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In a message dated 3/25/14 14 04 27, rgg at gregorycook.com writes: Are you sure? I remember seeing a car with those seats at the factory museum the first trip we made there. Was the original prototype in the museum back then? Or was there perhaps another prototype something there with those seats? Or am I just dreaming that? >>>You're just dreaming. :>) The only car that had something odd was the three-seat Pantera (which was made by plopping Pantera sheetmetal atop a Maserati Merak chassis--the car had no VIN that we could find, and now lives in Belgium, an odd engineering cul-de-sac). Although the seats in that car were/are unusual, they are nothing like those fitted to the prototype. Mike -------------- next part -------------- Yes I remember the 3 seat Pantera. It had a white interior if I remember correctly, but I still remember seeing something somewhere with those seats... Gray From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:14 PM To: Gray Gregory; grayjim at att.net; michael at michaelshortt.com; terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Amazing find! In a message dated 3/25/14 14 04 27, [1]rgg at gregorycook.com writes: Are you sure? I remember seeing a car with those seats at the factory museum the first trip we made there. Was the original prototype in the museum back then? Or was there perhaps another prototype something there with those seats? Or am I just dreaming that? >>>You're just dreaming. :>) The only car that had something odd was the three-seat Pantera (which was made by plopping Pantera sheetmetal atop a Maserati Merak chassis--the car had no VIN that we could find, and now lives in Belgium, an odd engineering cul-de-sac). Although the seats in that car were/are unusual, they are nothing like those fitted to the prototype. Mike References 1. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 23:33:06 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 23:33:06 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... In-Reply-To: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> References: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> Message-ID: I'd like a good source for the inside door handles. I believe they are the same as Lamborghini Espada, but that doesn't help a whole lot. On 3/25/14 10:13 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: > Hi guys, > Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other > night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that > had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my > seat! > The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! > http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpap > er_02.htm > So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, > but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the > doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, > there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... > Mike >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mghibli7 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 25 23:52:03 2014 From: mghibli7 at hotmail.com (E B) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:52:03 -1000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... In-Reply-To: References: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> Message-ID: Mike, I think you're wrong about the Lancia door handles. They are very close but not exact. A good friend of mine has three or four of them, actually probably nearly all of them that are in New Mexico. The door handles are a bit longer and the locking mechanism is different. I'll try to get a photo. Will, the inside door handles are identical to what are in my '72 Maserati Ghibli. I periodically see them on eBay for not much, you'd just need to recover the leather portion or vinyl and the Panteras case. Emiliano Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: I'd like a good source for the inside door handles. I believe they are the same as Lamborghini Espada, but that doesn't help a whole lot. > On 3/25/14 10:13 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: > > Hi guys, > Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other > night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that > had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my > seat! > The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! > http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpap > er_02.htm > So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, > but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the > doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, > there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 00:00:46 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:00:46 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... In-Reply-To: References: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Emiliano, I will look for Ghibli too. In the meantime, I'm going to try to make my own. How hard can it be? On 3/25/14 11:52 PM, "E B" wrote: >Mike, I think you're wrong about the Lancia door handles. They are very >close but not exact. A good friend of mine has three or four of them, >actually probably nearly all of them that are in New Mexico. > >The door handles are a bit longer and the locking mechanism is different. >I'll try to get a photo. > >Will, the inside door handles are identical to what are in my '72 >Maserati Ghibli. I periodically see them on eBay for not much, you'd just >need to recover the leather portion or vinyl and the Panteras case. > >Emiliano > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: > >I'd like a good source for the inside door handles. > >I believe they are the same as Lamborghini Espada, but that doesn't help a >whole lot. > > >> On 3/25/14 10:13 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other >> night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that >> had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my >> seat! >> The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! >> http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpap >> er_02.htm >> So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, >> but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the >> doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, >> there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mghibli7 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 00:29:34 2014 From: mghibli7 at hotmail.com (E B) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:29:34 -1000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... In-Reply-To: References: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> Message-ID: Here is a photo that I just got off of eBay for the door handle. Sorry it is a screen shot as eBay doesn't let you save the photos. Will, I may have a extra door handle. When I get back to New Mexico I'll look for it, that'll be in a week or so. Emiliano -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 153826 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: Thanks Emiliano, I will look for Ghibli too. In the meantime, I'm going to try to make my own. How hard can it be? > On 3/25/14 11:52 PM, "E B" wrote: > > Mike, I think you're wrong about the Lancia door handles. They are very > close but not exact. A good friend of mine has three or four of them, > actually probably nearly all of them that are in New Mexico. > > The door handles are a bit longer and the locking mechanism is different. > I'll try to get a photo. > > Will, the inside door handles are identical to what are in my '72 > Maserati Ghibli. I periodically see them on eBay for not much, you'd just > need to recover the leather portion or vinyl and the Panteras case. > > Emiliano > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: > > I'd like a good source for the inside door handles. > > I believe they are the same as Lamborghini Espada, but that doesn't help a > whole lot. > > >> On 3/25/14 10:13 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other >> night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that >> had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my >> seat! >> The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! >> http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpap >> er_02.htm >> So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, >> but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the >> doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, >> there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 26 01:11:42 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:11:42 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... In-Reply-To: References: <6a6ae.20897953.406391d1@aol.com> Message-ID: That handle is definitely different from the Pantera handle. But the one we saw in the video sure looked the same as ours? Hmm.... Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2014, at 21:29, E B wrote: > Here is a photo that I just got off of eBay for the door handle. Sorry it is a screen shot as eBay doesn't let you save the photos. > > Will, I may have a extra door handle. When I get back to New Mexico I'll look for it, that'll be in a week or so. > > Emiliano > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: > > Thanks Emiliano, > > I will look for Ghibli too. > > In the meantime, I'm going to try to make my own. How hard can it be? > >> On 3/25/14 11:52 PM, "E B" wrote: >> >> Mike, I think you're wrong about the Lancia door handles. They are very >> close but not exact. A good friend of mine has three or four of them, >> actually probably nearly all of them that are in New Mexico. >> >> The door handles are a bit longer and the locking mechanism is different. >> I'll try to get a photo. >> >> Will, the inside door handles are identical to what are in my '72 >> Maserati Ghibli. I periodically see them on eBay for not much, you'd just >> need to recover the leather portion or vinyl and the Panteras case. >> >> Emiliano >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Will Kooiman wrote: >> >> I'd like a good source for the inside door handles. >> >> I believe they are the same as Lamborghini Espada, but that doesn't help a >> whole lot. >> >> >>> On 3/25/14 10:13 PM, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> Larry Stock and his son Richard spent the night at our house the other >>> night, and we were surfing around on Youtube. We spotted a video that >>> had a Lancia Beta Montecarlo in it, and suddenly I leapt out of my >>> seat! >>> The Lancia uses Pantera doorhandles! >>> http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1974-beta_montecarlo/1600x1200/wallpap >>> er_02.htm >>> So now you know. At one time this could have been useful information, >>> but now that the Pantera vendors have tooled up to reproduce all the >>> doorhandle parts, in both original-style plastic and billet aluminum, >>> there is no longer any need to try to source these things elsewhere.... >>> Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From fresnofinches at aol.com Wed Mar 26 13:04:54 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera doorhandles source.... Message-ID: <8D1172CA463FB2F-7DC-20CE@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Mike wrote - <<>> Uh, not true? Housings - check. several sources Outside pull handles in forged SS or billet - check. But which vendor is able to provide reproduction lock sections with all their various components? Larry - Did I miss the memo on this? -------------- next part -------------- Mike wrote - <<>> Uh, not true? Housings - check. several sources Outside pull handles in forged SS or billet - check. But which vendor is able to provide reproduction lock sections with all their va rious components? Larry - Did I miss the memo on this? From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:22:14 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Message-ID: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:22:57 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0_Pantera_doorhandles_source=2E=2E=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=2E?= Message-ID: <5dc6c.36679ed6.40647501@aol.com> In a message dated 3/26/14 10 06 3, fresnofinches at aol.com writes: > But which vendor is able to provide reproduction lock sections with all > their various components? > > Larry - Did I miss the memo on this? > >>>Excellent point--I wasn't considering the lock tumbler! Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/26/14 10 06 3, fresnofinches at aol.com writes: But which vendor is able to provide reproduction lock sections with all their various components? Larry - Did I miss the memo on this? >>>Excellent point--I wasn't considering the lock tumbler! Mike From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 15:19:34 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:19:34 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> Message-ID: That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html Julian From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; [1]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 [2]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 [3]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch assis_no_2263.html [4]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g r4_ex_works.html [5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 4_racecar.html Julian From: MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: [6]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 2. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 3. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html 6. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 From asajay at asajay.com Wed Mar 26 15:40:04 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:40:04 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Message-ID: <48c3a403-d46e-410e-b277-06f31ada8b5c@blur> That car is five serial numbers behind mine, and the engine is 35 behind mine. Wow, I think that's the closest I've found. Asa Jay THPNNP05533 04634 Sent using Jedi mind tricks. -------------- next part -------------- That car is five serial numbers behind mine, and the engine is 35 behind mine. Wow, I think that's the closest I've found. Asa Jay THPNNP[1]05533 [2]04634 Sent using Jedi mind tricks. References 1. tel:05533 2. tel:04634 From dave at damardirect.com Wed Mar 26 15:45:00 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > From knottsj at galstar.com Wed Mar 26 16:11:02 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:11:02 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> Message-ID: <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> I like the headlight treatment in this car. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html Is that an available conversion or a one off? Thanks, jerry On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in > a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? > > There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; > > [1]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > > [2]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > > [3]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > assis_no_2263.html > > [4]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > r4_ex_works.html > > [5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 4_racecar.html > > Julian > > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > Hi guys, > > This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage > pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: > > [6]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 2. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 3. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 6. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I like the headlight treatment in this car. [1]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar .html Is that an available conversion or a one off? Thanks, jerry On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; [1][2]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 [2][3]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 [3][4]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch assis_no_2263.html [4][5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g r4_ex_works.html [5][6]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 4_racecar.html Julian From: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: [6][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 2. [13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 3. [14]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chas sis_no_2263.html 4. [15]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4 _ex_works.html 5. [16]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_ racecar.html 6. [17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 2. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 3. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 14. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html 15. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html 16. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Wed Mar 26 17:27:14 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:27:14 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> Message-ID: I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom fabrications. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > [1] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar > .html > > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > > Thanks, > jerry > > On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > > That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in > a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? > > There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; > > [1][2]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > > [2][3]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > > [3][4] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > assis_no_2263.html > > [4][5] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > r4_ex_works.html > > [5][6] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 4_racecar.html > > Julian > > From: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 > To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > Hi guys, > > This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage > pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: > > [6][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. [12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 2. [13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 3. [14] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chas > sis_no_2263.html > 4. [15] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4 > _ex_works.html > 5. [16] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_ > racecar.html > 6. [17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 2. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 3. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom fabrications. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: I like the headlight treatment in this car. [1][2]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_ group_4_racecar .html Is that an available conversion or a one off? Thanks, jerry On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; [1][2][3]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 [2][3][4]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maI D=211 [3][4][5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pante ra_gt4_ch assis_no_2263.html [4][5][6]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_ pantera_g r4_ex_works.html [5][6][7]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pante ra_group_ 4_racecar.html Julian From: [7][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: [6][9][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [12][12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 2. [13][13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID =211 3. [14][14]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_panter a_gt4_chas sis_no_2263.html 4. [15][15]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_p antera_gr4 _ex_works.html 5. [16][16]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_panter a_group_4_ racecar.html 6. [17][17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18][18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [20]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr oup_ 2. [21]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 3. [22]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 4. [23]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt 4_ch 5. [24]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante ra_g 6. [25]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr oup_ 7. mailto:[26]MikeLDrew at aol.com 8. mailto:[27]detomaso at POCA.com 9. [28]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 10. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com 11. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. [31]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 13. [32]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 14. [33]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt 4_chassis_no_2263.html 15. [34]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante ra_gr4_ex_works.html 16. [35]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr oup_4_racecar.html 17. [36]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 18. mailto:[37]DeTomaso at poca.com 19. [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [39]DeTomaso at poca.com [40]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [41]www.michaelshortt.com [42]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 2. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html 3. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 4. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g 7. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 14. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html 15. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html 16. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 20. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 21. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 22. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 23. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch 24. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g 25. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 26. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 27. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com 28. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 31. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 32. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 33. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html 34. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html 35. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html 36. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 39. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 40. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 41. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 42. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From willibillie at live.de Wed Mar 26 17:38:31 2014 From: willibillie at live.de (R.J.) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:38:31 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> Message-ID: At least, this one is sold. It's in my workshop right now to fix several things for the new owner. Roland Jaeckel Am 26.03.2014 22:27, schrieb michael at michaelshortt.com: > I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom > fabrications. > Michael Shortt > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> > wrote: > > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > [1][2]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_ > group_4_racecar > .html > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > Thanks, > jerry > > On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection > in > a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? > There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; > > [1][2][3]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > > [2][3][4]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maI > D=211 > > [3][4][5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pante > ra_gt4_ch > assis_no_2263.html > > [4][5][6]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_ > pantera_g > r4_ex_works.html > > [5][6][7]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pante > ra_group_ > 4_racecar.html > Julian > From: [7][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 > > To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > Hi guys, > This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro > vintage > pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage > racing: > > [6][9][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [12][12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 2. > [13][13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID > =211 > 3. > [14][14]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_panter > a_gt4_chas > sis_no_2263.html > 4. > [15][15]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_p > antera_gr4 > _ex_works.html > 5. > [16][16]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_panter > a_group_4_ > racecar.html > 6. [17][17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [20]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_ > 2. [21]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 3. > [22]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 4. > [23]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt > 4_ch > 5. > [24]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante > ra_g > 6. > [25]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_ > 7. mailto:[26]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 8. mailto:[27]detomaso at POCA.com > 9. [28]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. [31]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. > [32]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. > [33]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt > 4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. > [34]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante > ra_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. > [35]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_4_racecar.html > 17. [36]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:[37]DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [39]DeTomaso at poca.com > [40]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [41]www.michaelshortt.com > [42]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com > 2. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 3. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 4. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > 7. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 20. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 21. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 22. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 23. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > 24. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > 25. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 26. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 27. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 28. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 31. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 32. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 33. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 34. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 35. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 36. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 39. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 40. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 41. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 42. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- At least, this one is sold. It's in my workshop right now to fix several things for the new owner. Roland Jaeckel Am 26.03.2014 22:27, schrieb [1]michael at michaelshortt.com: I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom fabrications. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts [2]<[1]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: I like the headlight treatment in this car. [1][2][3]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_ group_4_racecar .html Is that an available conversion or a one off? Thanks, jerry On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; [1][2][3][4]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 [2][3][4][5]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maI D=211 [3][4][5][6]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pante ra_gt4_ch assis_no_2263.html [4][5][6][7]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_ pantera_g r4_ex_works.html [5][6][7][8]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pante ra_group_ 4_racecar.html Julian From: [7][[9]8]MikeLDrew at aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 To: [[10]8]detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi guys, This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: [6][9][9][11]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][[12]10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][11][13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. 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http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 82. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 83. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 84. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 85. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 86. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 87. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lashdeep at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 18:02:11 2014 From: lashdeep at yahoo.com (LS) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Dave To: Rob Dumoulin ; Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" wrote: > >? ? I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - >? ? about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast.? I don't >? ? know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of >? ? interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths.? First question is, >? ? is that true?? Then, if true - why?? Then, can it be turned around? >? ? ? ----------------------------------------- >? ? -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on >? ? racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV >? ? "Route 66" series.? And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a >? ? bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies.? I mean, if you want kids to >? ? smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . >? ? ? ---BILL Lewis >? ? From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com >? ? Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 >? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree.? But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my >? Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much.? In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem.? > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 > Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000.? I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them.? If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values.? While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > >? ? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed >? ? by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave To: Rob Dumoulin ; Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [6]scscottc at gmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[10]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[12]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com > [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [16]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 5. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Wed Mar 26 18:09:11 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS wrote: > I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that > loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before > any of them were born. > I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there > has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of > car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, > Pinterest, etc. > Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > LS > > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > 625 e street nw > washington, dc 20004 > [1]centralwines.com > [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 202-737-2800 > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Dave > To: Rob Dumoulin ; Bill Lewis > > Cc: De Tomaso List > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > caretakers. > IndyDave > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3]rob at dumoulins.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Response inline > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before > - > > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't > > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of > > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question > is, > > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? > > ----------------------------------------- > > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on > > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV > > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn > out a > > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to > > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > . > > ---BILL Lewis > > From: [5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > > To: [6]scscottc at gmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) > will alway > > s drive them! > > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and > driving my > > Pantera. > > > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > > drive > them a > > s much. In 2035 it > > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars > > on > the hi > > ghway. ;-) > > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > > > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > > Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > > > > From: Scott Carpenter > <[10]scscottc at gmail.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > > To: De Tomaso List > <[12]detomaso at poca.com> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, > > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > > will > probably > > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > want to drive them. > > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > > risk > to > > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > > > Scott > > #1523 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [16]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://centralwines.com/ > 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 4. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 5. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 6. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 8. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 10. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2]centralwines.com [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors [4]202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[5]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[6]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[7]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[8]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][9]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][10]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [5][11]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [6][12]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][13]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: [14](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [15](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [16](818) 393-3147 > [8][17]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[10][19]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[12][21]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][23]DeTomaso at poca.com > [15][24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [16][25]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17][26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18][27]DeTomaso at poca.com [19][28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [29]http://centralwines.com/ 2. [30]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:[31]rob at dumoulins.net 4. mailto:[32]lotus0005 at hotmail.com 5. mailto:[33]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:[34]scscottc at gmail.com 7. mailto:[35]detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:[36]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 9. mailto:[37]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:[38]scscottc at gmail.com 11. mailto:[39]scscottc at gmail.com 12. mailto:[40]detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:[41]detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com 15. [43]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 16. mailto:[44]DeTomaso at poca.com 17. [45]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:[46]DeTomaso at poca.com 19. [47]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [48]DeTomaso at poca.com [49]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. 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Thank you References 1. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 2. http://centralwines.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 4. tel:202-737-2800 5. mailto:dave at damardirect.com 6. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 7. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 9. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 10. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 11. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 12. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261 15. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213 16. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147 17. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 18. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 19. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 20. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 29. http://centralwines.com/ 30. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 31. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 32. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 33. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 34. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 35. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 36. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 37. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 38. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 39. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 40. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 41. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 46. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 47. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 48. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 49. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 50. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 51. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 18:10:15 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:10:15 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> <53333456.2000001@galstar.com>, , Message-ID: Roland, Cool, glad to hear that business is fairng well. Will we see you in Le Mans this year? Julian Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:38:31 +0100 From: willibillie at live.de To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco At least, this one is sold. It's in my workshop right now to fix several things for the new owner. Roland Jaeckel Am 26.03.2014 22:27, schrieb michael at michaelshortt.com: > I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom > fabrications. > Michael Shortt > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> > wrote: > > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > [1][2]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_ > group_4_racecar > .html > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > Thanks, > jerry > > On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection > in > a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? > There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; > > [1][2][3]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > > [2][3][4]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maI > D=211 > > [3][4][5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pante > ra_gt4_ch > assis_no_2263.html > > [4][5][6]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_ > pantera_g > r4_ex_works.html > > [5][6][7]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pante > ra_group_ > 4_racecar.html > Julian > From: [7][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 > > To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > Hi guys, > This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro > vintage > pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage > racing: > > [6][9][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [12][12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 2. > [13][13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID > =211 > 3. > [14][14]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_panter > a_gt4_chas > sis_no_2263.html > 4. > [15][15]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_p > antera_gr4 > _ex_works.html > 5. > [16][16]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_panter > a_group_4_ > racecar.html > 6. [17][17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [20]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_ > 2. [21]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 3. > [22]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 4. > [23]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt > 4_ch > 5. > [24]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante > ra_g > 6. > [25]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_ > 7. mailto:[26]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 8. mailto:[27]detomaso at POCA.com > 9. [28]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. [31]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. > [32]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. > [33]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt > 4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. > [34]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante > ra_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. > [35]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_4_racecar.html > 17. [36]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:[37]DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. [38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [39]DeTomaso at poca.com > [40]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [41]www.michaelshortt.com > [42]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com > 2. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 3. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 4. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > 7. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 20. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 21. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 22. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 23. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > 24. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > 25. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 26. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 27. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 28. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 31. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 32. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 33. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 34. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 35. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 36. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 39. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 40. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 41. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 42. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Roland, Cool, glad to hear that business is fairng well. Will we see you in Le Mans this year? Julian Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:38:31 +0100 From: willibillie at live.de To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco At least, this one is sold. It's in my workshop right now to fix several things for the new owner. Roland Jaeckel Am 26.03.2014 22:27, schrieb michael at michaelshortt.com: > I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom > fabrications. > Michael Shortt > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> > wrote: > > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > [1][2][1]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_ > group_4_racecar > .html > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > Thanks, > jerry > > On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection > in > a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? > There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; > > [1][2][3][2]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > > [2][3][4][3]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maI > D=211 > > [3][4][5][4]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pante > ra_gt4_ch > assis_no_2263.html > > [4][5][6][5]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_ > pantera_g > r4_ex_works.html > > [5][6][7][6]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pante > ra_group_ > 4_racecar.html > Julian > From: [7][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 > > To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > Hi guys, > This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro > vintage > pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage > racing: > > [6][9][9][7]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11][11][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [12][12][9]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 2. > [13][13][10]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID > =211 > 3. > [14][14][11]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_panter > a_gt4_chas > sis_no_2263.html > 4. > [15][15][12]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_p > antera_gr4 > _ex_works.html > 5. > [16][16][13]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_panter > a_group_4_ > racecar.html > 6. [17][17][14]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][19][15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. > [20][16]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_ > 2. [21][17]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 3. > [22][18]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 4. > [23][19]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt > 4_ch > 5. > [24][20]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante > ra_g > 6. > [25][21]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_ > 7. mailto:[26]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 8. mailto:[27]detomaso at POCA.com > 9. [28][22]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. [30][23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. [31][24]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. > [32][25]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. > [33][26]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt > 4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. > [34][27]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pante > ra_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. > [35][28]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gr > oup_4_racecar.html > 17. [36][29]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:[37]DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. [38][30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [39]DeTomaso at poca.com > [40][31]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [41]www.michaelshortt.com > [42]michael at michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com > 2. [32]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group _4_racecar.html > 3. [33]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 4. [34]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 5. [35]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_c h > 6. [36]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_ g > 7. 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[63]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 42. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [64]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_ 2. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 3. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maI 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pante 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_ 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pante 7. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. 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http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 55. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 56. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 57. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html 58. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html 59. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html 60. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 61. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 62. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 63. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 64. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 18:21:41 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:21:41 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: , , , <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave To: Rob Dumoulin ; Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [6]scscottc at gmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[10]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[12]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com > [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [16]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso at poca.com [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 5. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 10. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2]centralwines.com [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > [15][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [16][21]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17][22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18][23]DeTomaso at poca.com [19][24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [25]http://centralwines.com/ 2. 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Thank you References 1. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 2. http://centralwines.com/ 3. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 4. mailto:dave at damardirect.com 5. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 6. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 9. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 13. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 15. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 16. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 25. http://centralwines.com/ 26. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 27. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 28. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 29. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 30. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 31. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 32. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 33. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 34. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 35. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 37. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 46. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 47. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From rgg at gregorycook.com Wed Mar 26 18:24:15 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:24:15 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been expecting a decline in the prewar car market for the last few years. It hasn't really happened yet, but the collector car market overall has been so strong I think it's just a case of a rising tide lifting all boats. While there will always be a market for the really desirable stuff (Bugatti's, Bentley's, Duisenberg's etc.) I think the more run of the mill prewar cars are going to struggle to find interest with the next generation of collectors. Time will tell.... Gray -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:45 PM To: Rob Dumoulin; Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rgg at gregorycook.com Wed Mar 26 18:27:55 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:27:55 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> Message-ID: <091cd5024ef0462c85156cdb67a281e2@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> That looks like one of Johnny Woods conversions. Gray -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:27 PM To: Jerry Knotts Cc: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom fabrications. Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > [1] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_ > racecar > .html > > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > > Thanks, > jerry > > On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > > That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in > a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? > > There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; > > [1][2]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > > > [2][3]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > > [3][4] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > assis_no_2263.html > > [4][5] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > r4_ex_works.html > > [5][6] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 4_racecar.html > > Julian > > From: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 > To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi > guys, > > This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro > vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: > > [6][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. [12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 2. [13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 3. [14] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chas > sis_no_2263.html > 4. [15] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4 > _ex_works.html > 5. [16] > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_ > racecar.html > 6. [17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [18]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 2. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 3. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch > 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g > 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com > 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 > 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 > 14. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html > 15. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html > 16. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html > 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you From boyd411 at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 18:34:56 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:34:56 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think part of the problem is that when many of us were growing up we learned how to work on cars (and motorcycles) so many of the new cars are not really serviceable by the backyard mechanic. With the computerised systems you need $100,000 diagnostic machines just to figure out what's going on. Boyd On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend > many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they > going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other > than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > To: lashdeep at yahoo.com > CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; > detomaso at poca.com > At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, > Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 > set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older > men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they > loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for > driving. > Michael Shortt > The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd > that > loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long > before > any of them were born. > I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than > there > has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular > type of > car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, > Youtube, > Pinterest, etc. > Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > LS > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > 625 e street nw > washington, dc 20004 > [1][2]centralwines.com > [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 202-737-2800 > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> > To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis > <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > caretakers. > IndyDave > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Response inline > > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here > before > - > > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't > > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of > > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First > question > is, > > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? > > ----------------------------------------- > > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on > > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV > > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would > churn > out a > > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to > > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > . > > ---BILL Lewis > > > From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > > To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com > > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased > value > > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now > (today) > will alway > > s drive them! > > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up > and > driving my > > Pantera. > > > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might > not > > drive > them a > > s much. In 2035 it > > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars > > on > the hi > > ghway. ;-) > > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > > > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > > Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > > [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > > > > From: Scott Carpenter > <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > > To: De Tomaso List > > <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, > > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a > claim > > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > > will > probably > > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise > in > > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally > given > > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I > don't > > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > want to drive them. > > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a > viable > > risk > to > > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... > If > > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs > and > > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or > yelling > > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > > > Scott > > #1523 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [15][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > [16][21]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [17][22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][23]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [25]http://centralwines.com/ > 2. [26]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 3. mailto:[27]rob at dumoulins.net > > 4. mailto:[28]lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 5. mailto:[29]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 6. mailto:[30]scscottc at gmail.com > 7. mailto:[31]detomaso at poca.com > > 8. mailto:[32]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 9. mailto:[33]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 10. mailto:[34]scscottc at gmail.com > 11. mailto:[35]scscottc at gmail.com > 12. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:[37]detomaso at poca.com > 14. mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com > 15. [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 16. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com > 17. [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 18. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. 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Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com > 2. http://centralwines.com/ > 3. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 4. mailto:dave at damardirect.com > 5. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 6. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 8. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 9. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 15. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 16. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 25. http://centralwines.com/ > 26. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 27. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 28. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 29. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 30. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 31. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 32. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 33. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 34. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 35. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 37. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 46. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 47. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- I think part of the problem is that when many of us were growing up we learned how to work on cars (and motorcycles) so many of the new cars are not really serviceable by the backyard mechanic. With the computerised systems you need $100,000 diagnostic machines just to figure out what's going on. Boyd On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: [2]michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: [3]lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: [4]dave at damardirect.com; [5]rob at dumoulins.net; [6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1][8]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2][9]centralwines.com [2][3][10]facebook.com/CentralLiquors [11]202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4][12]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5][13]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6][14]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7][15]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8][16]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9][17]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [5][10][18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [6][11][19]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12][20]detomaso at poca.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my > Pantera. > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not > drive them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars > on the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: [21](818) 393-6261 > Cell: [22](818) 653-8213 > Fax: [23](818) 393-3147 > [8][13][24]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15][26]scscottc at gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List <[12][17][28]detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable > risk to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > Scott > #1523 > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19][30]DeTomaso at poca.com > [15][20][31]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [16][21][32]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17][22][33]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [18][23][34]DeTomaso at poca.com [19][24][35]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [25][36]http://centralwines.com/ 2. 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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:35:09 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: <091cd5024ef0462c85156cdb67a281e2@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> <091cd5024ef0462c85156cdb67a281e2@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Jonny Woods never had his hands on this car. Am 26.03.2014 23:27, schrieb Gray Gregory: > That looks like one of Johnny Woods conversions. > > Gray > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:27 PM > To: Jerry Knotts > Cc: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > > I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom fabrications. > > Michael Shortt > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > >> I like the headlight treatment in this car. >> [1] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_ >> racecar >> .html >> >> Is that an available conversion or a one off? >> >> Thanks, >> jerry >> >> On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >> That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in >> a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? >> >> There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; >> >> [1][2]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> >> >> [2][3]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> >> [3][4] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch >> assis_no_2263.html >> >> [4][5] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g >> r4_ex_works.html >> >> [5][6] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ >> 4_racecar.html >> >> Julian >> >> From: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 >> To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi >> guys, >> >> This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro >> vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: >> >> [6][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed >> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. [12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> 2. [13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> 3. [14] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chas >> sis_no_2263.html >> 4. [15] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4 >> _ex_works.html >> 5. [16] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_ >> racecar.html >> 6. [17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [18]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ >> 2. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> 3. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch >> 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g >> 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ >> 7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >> 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> 14. >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html >> 15. >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html >> 16. >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html >> 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> > From jjdetrich at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 18:36:14 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:36:14 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? > There are lots of kids interested in cars but they aren't our cars. They are at C&C mostly with HiPo turbo imports. Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? There are lots of kids interested in cars but they aren't our cars. They are at C&C mostly with HiPo turbo imports. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Mar 26 18:37:46 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:37:46 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: True. I still have my 1930 Model A that my dad and I restored. I will pass it on. (sooner than I would like ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: LS > Reply-To: LS > Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:02 PM To: Dave >, Rob Dumoulin >, Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Dave > To: Rob Dumoulin >; Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" > wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- True. I still have my 1930 Model A that my dad and I restored. I will pass it on. (sooner than I would like ;-) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: LS <[2]lashdeep at yahoo.com> Reply-To: LS <[3]lashdeep at yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:02 PM To: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com>, Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>, Bill Lewis <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Dave <[8]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[9]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[10]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[11]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [[12]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[13]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: [14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [15]scscottc at gmail.com; [16]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [17]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[18]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> From: Scott Carpenter <[19]scscottc at gmail.com<[20]mailto:scscottc at gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[21]detomaso at poca.com<[22]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. Scott #1523 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [23]DeTomaso at poca.com [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [25]DeTomaso at poca.com [26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [27]DeTomaso at poca.com [28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 3. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com 4. mailto:dave at damardirect.com 5. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 6. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 8. mailto:dave at damardirect.com 9. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 10. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 12. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 13. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com 14. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 15. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 17. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 18. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 19. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com 20. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com> 21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From shawkins777 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 18:51:50 2014 From: shawkins777 at comcast.net (shawkins777 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1132348745.770161.1395874310105.JavaMail.root@sz0134a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You'd be surprised what you can do with just an OBD2 communicator/code reader and a repair manual. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyd Casey" To: "Bill Lewis" Cc: "De Tomaso List" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 5:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I think part of the problem is that when many of us were growing up we learned how to work on cars (and ?motorcycles) so many of the new cars are not really serviceable by the backyard mechanic. With the computerised systems you need ?$100,000 diagnostic machines just to figure out what's going on. Boyd On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > ? ?My question: ?are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > ? ?vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? ?What % of them are going to spend > ? ?many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? ?Are they > ? ?going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other > ? ?than their daily drivers? ? ---BILL Lewis > ? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ > > ? ?From: michael at michaelshortt.com > ? ?Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 > ? ?Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > ? ?To: lashdeep at yahoo.com > ? ?CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; > ? ?detomaso at poca.com > ? ?At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, > ? ?Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 > ? ?set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older > ? ?men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they > ? ?loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for > ? ?driving. > ? ?Michael Shortt > ? ?The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. > ? ?On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: > > ? ? ? ? I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd > ? ? ?that > ? ? ? ? loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > ? ? ? ? Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > ? ? ? ? Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long > ? ? ?before > ? ? ? ? any of them were born. > ? ? ? ? I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > ? ? ? ? There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than > ? ? ?there > ? ? ? ? has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular > ? ? ?type of > ? ? ? ? car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, > ? ? ?Youtube, > ? ? ? ? Pinterest, etc. > ? ? ? ? Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > ? ? ? ? LS > ? ? ? ? central > ? ? ? ? wines-spirits ? est 1934 > ? ? ? ? 625 e street nw > ? ? ? ? washington, dc 20004 > ? ? ? ? [1][2]centralwines.com > ? ? ? ? [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > ? ? ? ? 202-737-2800 > > ? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ > ? ? ? ? From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> > ? ? ? ? To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis > ? ? ? ? <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > ? ? ? ? Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> > ? ? ? ? Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > > ? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > ? ? ? How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > ? ? ? caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > ? ? ? caretakers. > ? ? ? IndyDave > ? ? ? -----Original Message----- > > ? ? ? From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] > ? ? ? Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > ? ? ? To: Bill Lewis > ? ? ? Cc: De Tomaso List > ? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > ? ? ? Response inline > > ? ? ? On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > ? ? ? wrote: > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > ? ?I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here > ? ?before > ? ? ? - > ? ? ? > ? ?about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. ?I > ? ? ? don't > ? ? ? > ? ?know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > ? ? ? lack of > ? ? ? > ? ?interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. ?First > ? ?question > ? ? ? is, > ? ? ? > ? ?is that true? ?Then, if true - why? ?Then, can it be turned > ? ? ? around? > ? ? ? > ? ? ?----------------------------------------- > ? ? ? > ? ?-------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > ? ? ? $$$$ on > ? ? ? > ? ?racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > ? ? ? old TV > ? ? ? > ? ?"Route 66" series. ?And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would > ? ?churn > ? ? ? out a > ? ? ? > ? ?bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. ?I mean, if you want > ? ? ? kids to > ? ? ? > ? ?smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > ? ? ? smoke. > ? ? ? I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > ? ? ? what is wrong with youth. > ? ? ? . > ? ? ? > ? ? ?---BILL Lewis > > ? ? ? ? > ? ?From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > ? ? ? ? > ? ?To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com > > ? ? ? > ? ?Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > ? ? ? > ? ?Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased > ? ?value > ? ? ? > I agree. ?But I think the people who own their Pantera's now > ? ?(today) > ? ? ? will alway > ? ? ? > s drive them! > ? ? ? > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up > ? ?and > ? ? ? driving my > ? ? ? > ?Pantera. > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might > ? ?not > ? ? ? > drive > ? ? ? them a > ? ? ? > s much. ?In 2035 it > ? ? ? > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > ? ? ? cars > ? ? ? > on > ? ? ? the hi > ? ? ? > ghway. ;-) > ? ? ? > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. ? > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > Terry W. Himes > ? ? ? > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > ? ? ? > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > ? ? ? > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > ? ? ? > Sequence Team Lead > ? ? ? > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > ? ? ? > Cell: ? ?(818) 653-8213 > ? ? ? > Fax: ? ?(818) 393-3147 > > ? ? ? ? > [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ? > From: Scott Carpenter > ? ? ? ? <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> > > ? ? ? > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > ? ? ? > To: De Tomaso List > > ? ? ? ? <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> > > ? ? ? > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > ? ? ? > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > ? ? ? $35,000, > ? ? ? > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. ?I've never had to make a > ? ?claim > ? ? ? > so I guess so far I am happy with them. ?If values keep going up I > ? ? ? > will > ? ? ? probably > ? ? ? > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise > ? ?in > ? ? ? > values. ?While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally > ? ?given > ? ? ? > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I > ? ?don't > ? ? ? > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > ? ? ? want to drive them. > ? ? ? > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a > ? ?viable > ? ? ? > risk > ? ? ? to > ? ? ? > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... > ? ?If > ? ? ? > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > ? ? ? > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs > ? ?and > ? ? ? > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or > ? ?yelling > ? ? ? > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > Scott > ? ? ? > #1523 > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? > ? ?_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > ? ? ? 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Steve __________________________________________________________________ From: "Boyd Casey" To: "Bill Lewis" Cc: "De Tomaso List" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 5:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I think part of the problem is that when many of us were growing up we learned how to work on cars (and motorcycles) so many of the new cars are not really serviceable by the backyard mechanic. With the computerised systems you need $100,000 diagnostic machines just to figure out what's going on. Boyd On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend > many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they > going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other > than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > To: lashdeep at yahoo.com > CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; > detomaso at poca.com > At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, > Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 > set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older > men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they > loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for > driving. > Michael Shortt > The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd > that > loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long > before > any of them were born. > I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than > there > has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular > type of > car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, > Youtube, > Pinterest, etc. > Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > LS > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > 625 e street nw > washington, dc 20004 > [1][2]centralwines.com > [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 202-737-2800 > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> > To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis > <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > caretakers. > IndyDave > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Response inline > > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here > before > - > > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't > > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of > > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First > question > is, > > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? > > ----------------------------------------- > > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on > > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV > > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would > churn > out a > > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to > > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > . > > ---BILL Lewis > > > From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > > To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com > > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased > value > > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now > (today) > will alway > > s drive them! > > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up > and > driving my > > Pantera. > > > > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might > not > > drive > them a > > s much. In 2035 it > > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars > > on > the hi > > ghway. ;-) > > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > > > > > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > > Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > > [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > > > > From: Scott Carpenter > <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > > To: De Tomaso List > > <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > > > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, > > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a > claim > > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > > will > probably > > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > > > > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise > in > > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally > given > > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I > don't > > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > want to drive them. > > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a > viable > > risk > to > > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... > If > > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs > and > > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or > yelling > > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > > > > Scott > > #1523 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > > > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [15][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > [16][21]DeTomaso at poca.com > > [17][22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][23]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [25]http://centralwines.com/ > 2. [26]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 3. mailto:[27]rob at dumoulins.net > > 4. mailto:[28]lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 5. mailto:[29]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 6. mailto:[30]scscottc at gmail.com > 7. mailto:[31]detomaso at poca.com > > 8. mailto:[32]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 9. mailto:[33]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 10. mailto:[34]scscottc at gmail.com > 11. mailto:[35]scscottc at gmail.com > 12. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:[37]detomaso at poca.com > 14. mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com > 15. [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 16. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com > 17. [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 18. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. 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Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com > 2. http://centralwines.com/ > 3. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 4. mailto:dave at damardirect.com > 5. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 6. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 8. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 9. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 15. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 16. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 25. http://centralwines.com/ > 26. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 27. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 28. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 29. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 30. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 31. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 32. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 33. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 34. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 35. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com > 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 37. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 46. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 47. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From rgg at gregorycook.com Wed Mar 26 19:03:53 2014 From: rgg at gregorycook.com (Gray Gregory) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:03:53 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: References: <5dbd7.3feedbb1.406474d6@aol.com> <53333456.2000001@galstar.com> <091cd5024ef0462c85156cdb67a281e2@BY2PR05MB709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: On closer inspection I stand corrected. This does not look like Johnny's kit. It's similar in that it eliminates the pop up buckets but this looks like it has a single rectangular shape bulb while Johnny's has small round HID lamps. Gray -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of R.J. Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 5:35 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Jonny Woods never had his hands on this car. Am 26.03.2014 23:27, schrieb Gray Gregory: > That looks like one of Johnny Woods conversions. > > Gray > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > michael at michaelshortt.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:27 PM > To: Jerry Knotts > Cc: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco > > I have seen it on other Panteras, as far as I know, they are all custom fabrications. > > Michael Shortt > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > >> I like the headlight treatment in this car. >> [1] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4 >> _ >> racecar >> .html >> >> Is that an available conversion or a one off? >> >> Thanks, >> jerry >> >> On 3/26/2014 2:19 PM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >> That roll cage doesn't look like it would offer too much protection in >> a hard shunt, but I guess 'period' correct is sufficient in vintage? >> >> There are a number of GP4 cars for sale currently; >> >> [1][2]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> >> >> [2][3]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=21 >> 1 >> >> [3][4] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch >> assis_no_2263.html >> >> [4][5] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g >> r4_ex_works.html >> >> [5][6] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ >> 4_racecar.html >> >> Julian >> >> From: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:22:14 -0400 >> To: [8]detomaso at POCA.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Hi >> guys, >> >> This looks like a real weapon--a perfect car to take part in Euro >> vintage pavement rallies like the Tour de France Auto, as well as vintage racing: >> >> [6][9]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed >> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. [12]http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> 2. [13]http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> 3. [14] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_cha >> s >> sis_no_2263.html >> 4. [15] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr >> 4 >> _ex_works.html >> 5. [16] >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4 >> _ >> racecar.html >> 6. [17]http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [18]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ >> 2. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> 3. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> 4. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_ch >> 5. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_g >> 6. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ >> 7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso at POCA.com >> 9. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> 12. http://www.grabersportgarage.ch/index.php?id=3&carid=59 >> 13. http://www.stelvio.dk/uk/product_detail.asp?mode=master&maID=211 >> 14. >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/52092/de_tomaso_pantera_gt4_chassis_no_2263.html >> 15. >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/43480/1972_de_tomaso_pantera_gr4_ex_works.html >> 16. >> http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racecar.html >> 17. http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1066204 >> 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >> 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 26 19:24:19 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Message-ID: <86dcb.16391ce2.4064bba9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/26/14 14 05 58, knottsj at galstar.com writes: > > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_4_racec > ar.html > > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > >>>That's a custom one-off deal. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/26/14 14 05 58, knottsj at galstar.com writes: I like the headlight treatment in this car. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 4_racecar.html Is that an available conversion or a one off? >>>That's a custom one-off deal. Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Mar 26 19:24:23 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 19:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco Message-ID: <86dd7.2a0b8436.4064bbad@aol.com> In a message dated 3/26/14 16 05 4, rgg at gregorycook.com writes: > On closer inspection I stand corrected. This does not look like Johnny's > kit. It's similar in that it eliminates the pop up buckets but this looks > like it has a single rectangular shape bulb while Johnny's has small round > HID lamps. > >>>More to the point, Johnny's lights retain the pop-up feature. These are fixed, under a plexiglass cover--totally different. Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/26/14 16 05 4, rgg at gregorycook.com writes: On closer inspection I stand corrected. This does not look like Johnny's kit. It's similar in that it eliminates the pop up buckets but this looks like it has a single rectangular shape bulb while Johnny's has small round HID lamps. >>>More to the point, Johnny's lights retain the pop-up feature. These are fixed, under a plexiglass cover--totally different. Mike From michael at michaelshortt.com Wed Mar 26 19:34:38 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 19:34:38 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad-ass Gr4 track car at auction in Monaco In-Reply-To: <86dcb.16391ce2.4064bba9@aol.com> References: <86dcb.16391ce2.4064bba9@aol.com> Message-ID: here's another one that was in Greenville, SC a couple of years ago, Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:24 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 3/26/14 14 05 58, knottsj at galstar.com writes: > > I like the headlight treatment in this car. > http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ > 4_racecar.html > Is that an available conversion or a one off? > > >>>That's a custom one-off deal. > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- here's another one that was in Greenville, SC a couple of years ago, Michael Shortt On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:24 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 3/26/14 14 05 58, [2]knottsj at galstar.com writes: I like the headlight treatment in this car. [3]http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_gro up_ 4_racecar.html Is that an available conversion or a one off? >>>That's a custom one-off deal. Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [6]www.michaelshortt.com [7]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:knottsj at galstar.com 3. http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/49965/de_tomaso_pantera_group_ 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BlueFront (2).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 223162 bytes Desc: not available URL: From coreyjprice at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 19:39:00 2014 From: coreyjprice at gmail.com (Corey Price) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:39:00 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time. > On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > > My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend > many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they > going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other > than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > To: lashdeep at yahoo.com > CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; > detomaso at poca.com > At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, > Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 > set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older > men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they > loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for > driving. > Michael Shortt > The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd > that > loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long > before > any of them were born. > I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than > there > has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular > type of > car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, > Youtube, > Pinterest, etc. > Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > LS > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > 625 e street nw > washington, dc 20004 > [1][2]centralwines.com > [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 202-737-2800 > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> > To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis > <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > caretakers. > IndyDave > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Response inline > > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here > before > - >> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't >> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of >> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First > question > is, >> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? >> ----------------------------------------- >> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on >> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV >> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would > churn > out a >> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to >> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > . >> ---BILL Lewis > >> From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >> To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com > >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased > value >> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now > (today) > will alway >> s drive them! >> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up > and > driving my >> Pantera. >> >> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might > not >> drive > them a >> s much. In 2035 it >> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars >> on > the hi >> ghway. ;-) >> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. >> >> >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX >> Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 > >> [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> >> From: Scott Carpenter > <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> > >> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM >> To: De Tomaso List > > <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> >> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. >> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, >> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a > claim >> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I >> will > probably >> look at bumping it up in the next year or two. >> >> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise > in >> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally > given >> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I > don't >> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > want to drive them. >> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a > viable >> risk > to >> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... > If >> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to >> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs > and >> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or > yelling >> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. >> >> Scott >> #1523 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > >> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [15][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [16][21]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [17][22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][23]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. [25]http://centralwines.com/ > 2. [26]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 3. mailto:[27]rob at dumoulins.net > > 4. mailto:[28]lotus0005 at hotmail.com > 5. mailto:[29]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > 6. mailto:[30]scscottc at gmail.com > 7. mailto:[31]detomaso at poca.com > > 8. mailto:[32]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 9. mailto:[33]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 10. mailto:[34]scscottc at gmail.com > 11. mailto:[35]scscottc at gmail.com > 12. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com > 13. mailto:[37]detomaso at poca.com > 14. mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com > 15. [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 16. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com > 17. [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > 18. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com > 19. 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None were alive when it came out. So there is a market/interest in the younger crowd. Even better, the current crop of young people only know of the Pantera as a reliable, sorted, and well designed car with lots of heritage. One guy even spit whiskey through his nose when I told him they were sold through Lincoln-Mercury dealerships in the US. Time has been good to our cars... LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Corey Price To: Bill Lewis Cc: LS ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time. > On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > >? My question:? are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in >? vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)?? What % of them are going to spend >? many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us?? Are they >? going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other >? than their daily drivers?? ---BILL Lewis >? ? __________________________________________________________________ > >? From: michael at michaelshortt.com >? Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 >? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >? To: lashdeep at yahoo.com >? CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; >? detomaso at poca.com >? At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, >? Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 >? set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older >? men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they >? loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for >? driving. >? Michael Shortt >? The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. >? On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: > >? ? ? ? I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd >? ? that >? ? ? ? loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. >? ? ? ? Yet, those cars are still valuable now. >? ? ? ? Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long >? ? before >? ? ? ? any of them were born. >? ? ? ? I have cars that were made before I was born as well. >? ? ? ? There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than >? ? there >? ? ? ? has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular >? ? type of >? ? ? ? car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, >? ? Youtube, >? ? ? ? Pinterest, etc. >? ? ? ? Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... >? ? ? ? LS >? ? ? ? central >? ? ? ? wines-spirits? est 1934 >? ? ? ? 625 e street nw >? ? ? ? washington, dc 20004 >? ? ? ? [1][2]centralwines.com >? ? ? ? [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors >? ? ? ? 202-737-2800 > >? ? __________________________________________________________________ >? ? ? ? From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> >? ? ? ? To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis >? ? ? ? <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> >? ? ? ? Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> >? ? ? ? Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > >? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > >? ? ? How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that >? ? ? caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future >? ? ? caretakers. >? ? ? IndyDave >? ? ? -----Original Message----- > >? ? ? From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] >? ? ? Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM >? ? ? To: Bill Lewis >? ? ? Cc: De Tomaso List >? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >? ? ? Response inline > >? ? ? On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> >? ? ? wrote: >> >>? I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here >? before >? ? ? - >>? about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast.? I >? ? ? don't >>? know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) >? ? ? lack of >>? interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths.? First >? question >? ? ? is, >>? is that true?? Then, if true - why?? Then, can it be turned >? ? ? around? >>? ? ----------------------------------------- >>? -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending >? ? ? $$$$ on >>? racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the >? ? ? old TV >>? "Route 66" series.? And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would >? churn >? ? ? out a >>? bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies.? I mean, if you want >? ? ? kids to >>? smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies >? ? ? smoke. >? ? ? I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent >? ? ? what is wrong with youth. >? ? ? . >>? ? ---BILL Lewis > >>? From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >>? To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com > >>? Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 >>? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased >? value >> I agree.? But I think the people who own their Pantera's now >? (today) >? ? ? will alway >> s drive them! >> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up >? and >? ? ? driving my >> Pantera. >> >> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might >? not >> drive >? ? ? them a >> s much.? In 2035 it >> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric >? ? ? cars >> on >? ? ? the hi >> ghway. ;-) >> Of course availability of gas might be a problem.? >> >> >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX >> Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 >> Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147 > >> [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> >> From: Scott Carpenter >? ? ? ? <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> > >> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM >> To: De Tomaso List > >? ? ? ? <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> >> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. >> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of >? ? ? $35,000, >> last year I bumped it up to $60,000.? I've never had to make a >? claim >> so I guess so far I am happy with them.? If values keep going up I >> will >? ? ? probably >> look at bumping it up in the next year or two. >> >> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise >? in >> values.? While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally >? given >> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I >? don't >> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not >? ? ? want to drive them. >> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a >? viable >> risk >? ? ? to >> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... >? If >> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to >> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs >? and >> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or >? yelling >> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. >> >> Scott >> #1523 >> >> >>? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum >? ? ? Managed > >>? by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19]DeTomaso at poca.com >>? [15][20]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [16][21]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [17][22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >? ? ? _______________________________________________ >? ? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >? ? ? DeTomaso mailing list > >? ? ? ? [18][23]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? ? ? [19][24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? ? References >? ? ? ? 1. [25]http://centralwines.com/ >? ? ? ? 2. [26]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors >? ? ? ? 3. mailto:[27]rob at dumoulins.net > >? ? ? 4. mailto:[28]lotus0005 at hotmail.com >? ? ? 5. mailto:[29]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? ? 6. mailto:[30]scscottc at gmail.com >? ? ? 7. mailto:[31]detomaso at poca.com > >? ? ? ? 8. mailto:[32]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? ? ? 9. mailto:[33]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? ? ? 10. mailto:[34]scscottc at gmail.com >? ? ? 11. mailto:[35]scscottc at gmail.com >? ? ? 12. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com >? ? ? 13. mailto:[37]detomaso at poca.com >? ? ? 14. mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? ? 15. [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? ? ? 16. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? ? 17. [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >? ? 18. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? 19. [43]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >? ? _______________________________________________ >? ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >? ? DeTomaso mailing list >? ? [44]DeTomaso at poca.com >? ? [45]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >? -- >? Michael L. Shortt >? Savannah, Georgia >? [46]www.michaelshortt.com >? [47]michael at michaelshortt.com >? 912-232-9390 > >? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >? Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >? privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >? notified >? that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >? communication is strictly prohibited.? Please reply to the sender that >? you >? have received this message in error, then delete it.? Thank you > > References > >? 1. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com >? 2. http://centralwines.com/ >? 3. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors >? 4. mailto:dave at damardirect.com >? 5. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net >? 6. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com >? 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 8. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net >? 9. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com >? 10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 11. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com >? 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 13. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 14. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 15. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com >? 16. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com >? 17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 25. http://centralwines.com/ >? 26. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors >? 27. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net >? 28. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com >? 29. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 30. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com >? 31. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 32. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 33. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >? 34. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com >? 35. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com >? 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 37. mailto:detomaso at poca.com >? 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com >? 45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >? 46. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ >? 47. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- The last four Pantera purchases I know of were by guys under, or just about, 40. None were alive when it came out. So there is a market/interest in the younger crowd. Even better, the current crop of young people only know of the Pantera as a reliable, sorted, and well designed car with lots of heritage. One guy even spit whiskey through his nose when I told him they were sold through Lincoln-Mercury dealerships in the US. Time has been good to our cars... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Corey Price To: Bill Lewis Cc: LS ; De Tomaso List Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time. > On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis <[3]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend > many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they > going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other > than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [4]michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > To: [5]lashdeep at yahoo.com > CC: [6]dave at damardirect.com; [7]rob at dumoulins.net; [8]lotus0005 at hotmail.com; > [9]detomaso at poca.com > At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, > Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 > set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older > men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they > loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for > driving. > Michael Shortt > The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1][10]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd > that > loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long > before > any of them were born. > I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than > there > has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular > type of > car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, > Youtube, > Pinterest, etc. > Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > LS > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > 625 e street nw > washington, dc 20004 > [1][2]centralwines.com > [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 202-737-2800 > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Dave <[4][11]dave at damardirect.com> > To: Rob Dumoulin <[5][12]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis > <[6][13]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > Cc: De Tomaso List <[7][14]detomaso at poca.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > caretakers. > IndyDave > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8][15]rob at dumoulins.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Response inline > > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9][16]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here > before > - >> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't >> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of >> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First > question > is, >> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? >> ----------------------------------------- >> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on >> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV >> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would > churn > out a >> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to >> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > . >> ---BILL Lewis > >> From: [5][10][17]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >> To: [6][11][18]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12][19]detomaso at poca.com > >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased > value >> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now > (today) > will alway >> s drive them! >> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up > and > driving my >> Pantera. >> >> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might > not >> drive > them a >> s much. In 2035 it >> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars >> on > the hi >> ghway. ;-) >> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. >> >> >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX >> Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 > >> [8][13][20]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> >> From: Scott Carpenter > <[10][15][22]scscottc at gmail.com> > >> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM >> To: De Tomaso List > > <[12][17][24]detomaso at poca.com> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> >> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. >> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, >> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a > claim >> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I >> will > probably >> look at bumping it up in the next year or two. >> >> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise > in >> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally > given >> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I > don't >> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > want to drive them. >> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a > viable >> risk > to >> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... > If >> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to >> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs > and >> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or > yelling >> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. >> >> Scott >> #1523 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > >> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19][26]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [15][20][27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [16][21][28]DeTomaso at poca.com >> [17][22][29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > > [18][23][30]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][24][31]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. 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LOL ;-)) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Corey Price > Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time. On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis > wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2]centralwines.com [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. 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LOL ;-)) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Corey Price <[2]coreyjprice at gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM To: Bill Lewis <[3]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[4]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time. On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis <[5]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: [6]michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: [7]lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: [8]dave at damardirect.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]lotus0005 at hotmail.com; [11]detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1][12]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2]centralwines.com [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4][13]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5][14]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6][15]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7][16]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [[17]mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9][18]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: [5][10][19]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [6][11][20]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12][21]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [8][13][22]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[23]mailto:[9][14]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15][24]scscottc at gmail.com<[25]mailto:[11][16]scscottc at gma il.com>> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[12][17][26]detomaso at poca.com<[27]mailto:[13][18]detomaso at poca .com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. 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I want a Pantera because I lusted after it as a teenager. If I had been born 10 years later, I would probably be lusting after a ZR1, and Panteras would be in the same category as Deloreans - cool cars, but probably not cool enough for me to buy it. On 3/26/14 6:24 PM, "Gray Gregory" wrote: >I've been expecting a decline in the prewar car market for the last few >years. It hasn't really happened yet, but the collector car market >overall has been so strong I think it's just a case of a rising tide >lifting all boats. While there will always be a market for the really >desirable stuff (Bugatti's, Bentley's, Duisenberg's etc.) I think the >more run of the mill prewar cars are going to struggle to find interest >with the next generation of collectors. Time will tell.... > >Gray > >-----Original Message----- >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:45 PM >To: Rob Dumoulin; Bill Lewis >Cc: De Tomaso List >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > >How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that >caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future >caretakers. >IndyDave > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM >To: Bill Lewis >Cc: De Tomaso List >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > >Response inline > >On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" wrote: >> >> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - >> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't >> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack >>of >> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, >> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? >> ----------------------------------------- >> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ >>on >> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old >>TV >> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn >>out a >> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids >>to >> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. > >I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what >is wrong with youth. > >. >> ---BILL Lewis >> From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >> To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) >will alway >> s drive them! >> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and >driving my >> Pantera. >> >> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not >> drive >them a >> s much. In 2035 it >> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars >> on >the hi >> ghway. ;-) >> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. >> >> >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX >> Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> >> >> From: Scott Carpenter > >> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM >> To: De Tomaso List > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> >> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. >> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, >> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim >> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I >> will >probably >> look at bumping it up in the next year or two. >> >> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in >> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given >> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't >> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want >>to drive them. >> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable >> risk >to >> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If >> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to >> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and >> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling >> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. >> >> Scott >> #1523 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum >>Managed >> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From asajay at asajay.com Wed Mar 26 23:35:52 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:35:52 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? Message-ID: <53339C98.6000201@asajay.com> When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 Asa Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism From algisby at hotmail.com Thu Mar 27 03:49:38 2014 From: algisby at hotmail.com (Al Gisby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:49:38 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , , , Message-ID: Dear AllI'm under 40 (1975 kid) and have a pantera. I have also been tinkling with classics for many years. A factory MGB GT V8 proceeded the Pantera and I still have a series 1 MX5 [miata to most of you] and a Mexico bug to keep me busy along with the Pantera. Coming from the UK, there was always a larger group of 'youngsters' getting involved in classics as particular cars [and tools] are more accessible and cheaper. Since being here in Italy, the classics are always grandpa's hobby as sometimes getting parts is cost prohibitive as generally the monthly pay cheque is less.Vespas and Lambrettas are big here only because they are a cheap way into classics. Smaller cars such as the early Fiat 500's have now fallen right of the scales with high prices being paid, and most projects now being shipped out of Italy with dealers buying 10-20 at a time. The De Tomaso Mini has also gained some ground in the last year, so if you want a pocket rocket to drive down the middle of your gigantic US shopping malls - do it now. Ciao for now Al # 1925 p.s. Lego Technics and Top Trumps has alot to answer for. How similar is the Lego Technic Test Car model 8865 released in 1988 to a Pantera - uncanny!!!p.p.s BMW M1 - is this really just a German Pantera?p.p.p.s OK - its morning here, so time to go and clean all my teeth [fillings free], which quite handily all still remain in my head From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: coreyjprice at gmail.com; lotus0005 at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:21:12 +0000 CC: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Welcome to the forum junior. LOL ;-)) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Corey Price > Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are surprised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like the Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp was a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car but it wasn't the time. On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis > wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2]centralwines.com [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. 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I have also been tinkling with classics for many years. A factory MGB GT V8 proceeded the Pantera and I still have a series 1 MX5 [miata to most of you] and a Mexico bug to keep me busy along with the Pantera. Coming from the UK, there was always a larger group of 'youngsters' getting involved in classics as particular cars [and tools] are more accessible and cheaper. Since being here in Italy, the classics are always grandpa's hobby as sometimes getting parts is cost prohibitive as generally the monthly pay cheque is less. Vespas and Lambrettas are big here only because they are a cheap way into classics. Smaller cars such as the early Fiat 500's have now fallen right of the scales with high prices being paid, and most projects now being shipped out of Italy with dealers buying 10-20 at a time. The De Tomaso Mini has also gained some ground in the last year, so if you want a pocket rocket to drive down the middle of your gigantic US shopping malls - do it now. Ciao for now Al # 1925 p.s. Lego Technics and Top Trumps has alot to answer for. How similar is the Lego Technic Test Car model 8865 released in 1988 to a Pantera - uncanny!!! p.p.s BMW M1 - is this really just a German Pantera? p.p.p.s OK - its morning here, so time to go and clean all my teeth [fillings free], which quite handily all still remain in my head From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: coreyjprice at gmail.com; lotus0005 at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:21:12 +0000 CC: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Welcome to the forum junior. LOL ;-)) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Corey Price > Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are sur prised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like t he Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp wa s a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car bu t it wasn't the time. On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis > wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2]centralwines.com [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poc a.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. 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We have a small local market, and there just isn't enough guys who are interested in them anymore. -Janne 27.3.2014 5.33, Will Kooiman kirjoitti: > Gray, > > I think that sums it up pretty well. > > I want a Pantera because I lusted after it as a teenager. If I had been > born 10 years later, I would probably be lusting after a ZR1, and Panteras > would be in the same category as Deloreans - cool cars, but probably not > cool enough for me to buy it. > > > On 3/26/14 6:24 PM, "Gray Gregory" wrote: > >> I've been expecting a decline in the prewar car market for the last few >> years. It hasn't really happened yet, but the collector car market >> overall has been so strong I think it's just a case of a rising tide >> lifting all boats. While there will always be a market for the really >> desirable stuff (Bugatti's, Bentley's, Duisenberg's etc.) I think the >> more run of the mill prewar cars are going to struggle to find interest >> with the next generation of collectors. Time will tell.... >> >> Gray >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:45 PM >> To: Rob Dumoulin; Bill Lewis >> Cc: De Tomaso List >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> >> How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that >> caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future >> caretakers. >> IndyDave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM >> To: Bill Lewis >> Cc: De Tomaso List >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >> >> Response inline >> >> On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" wrote: >>> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - >>> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't >>> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack >>> of >>> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, >>> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ >>> on >>> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old >>> TV >>> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn >>> out a >>> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids >>> to >>> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. >> I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what >> is wrong with youth. >> >> . >>> ---BILL Lewis >>> From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> To: scscottc at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com >>> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >>> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) >> will alway >>> s drive them! >>> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and >> driving my >>> Pantera. >>> >>> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not >>> drive >> them a >>> s much. In 2035 it >>> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars >>> on >> the hi >>> ghway. ;-) >>> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. >>> >>> >>> Terry W. Himes >>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead >>> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX >>> Sequence Team Lead >>> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >>> >>> >>> From: Scott Carpenter > >>> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM >>> To: De Tomaso List > >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value >>> >>> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. >>> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, >>> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim >>> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I >>> will >> probably >>> look at bumping it up in the next year or two. >>> >>> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in >>> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given >>> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't >>> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want >>> to drive them. >>> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable >>> risk >> to >>> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If >>> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to >>> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and >>> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling >>> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. >>> >>> Scott >>> #1523 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum >>> Managed >>> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at poca.com >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at poca.com >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 08:30:37 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 05:30:37 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges Message-ID: <051401cf49b8$5c308ed0$1491ac70$@comcast.net> Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? Thanks Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 08:41:47 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 05:41:47 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? In-Reply-To: <53339C98.6000201@asajay.com> References: <53339C98.6000201@asajay.com> Message-ID: <052e01cf49b9$eb2ac5a0$c18050e0$@comcast.net> Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to speed, the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera GT Paul Walker was in when he died. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hag erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 Asa Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 08:51:38 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:51:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? In-Reply-To: <052e01cf49b9$eb2ac5a0$c18050e0$@comcast.net> References: <53339C98.6000201@asajay.com> <052e01cf49b9$eb2ac5a0$c18050e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I saw that.... 9 years old? Surprised me.. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to speed, > the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera GT > Paul > Walker was in when he died. > > Mike Thomas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay > Laughton > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? > > When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: > > http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm > > _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hag > erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 > > > Asa Jay > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- Yeah, I saw that.... 9 years old? Surprised me.. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to speed, the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera GT Paul Walker was in when he died. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM To: [3]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: [4]http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded- Tire?utm _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaig n=Hag erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 Asa A Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [7]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 5. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 27 08:53:51 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:53:51 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? In-Reply-To: <052e01cf49b9$eb2ac5a0$c18050e0$@comcast.net> References: <53339C98.6000201@asajay.com> <052e01cf49b9$eb2ac5a0$c18050e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I read the report, tires at least 8 years old ( the two that did not melt/burn). Michael On Mar 27, 2014 8:42 AM, "Mike Thomas" wrote: > Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to speed, > the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera GT > Paul > Walker was in when he died. > > Mike Thomas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay > Laughton > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? > > When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: > > http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm > > _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hag > erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 > > > Asa Jay > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://www.racingagainstautism.com > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- I read the report, tires at least 8 years old ( the two that did not melt/burn). Michael On Mar 27, 2014 8:42 AM, "Mike Thomas" <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to speed, the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera GT Paul Walker was in when he died. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM To: [3]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: [4]http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredd ed-Tire?utm _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_camp aign=Hag erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 Asa Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [7]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 4. http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 5. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 27 08:57:09 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:57:09 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? In-Reply-To: References: <53339C98.6000201@asajay.com> <052e01cf49b9$eb2ac5a0$c18050e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: What was especially odd about that was the wheels were added by the new owner recently, it appears he either mounted old tires or remounted the tires that came on the car from the factory. Michael On Mar 27, 2014 8:52 AM, "Kirby Schrader" wrote: > Yeah, I saw that.... 9 years old? > Surprised me.. > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Mike Thomas > <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: > > Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to > speed, > the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera > GT Paul > Walker was in when he died. > Mike Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa > Jay > Laughton > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM > To: [3]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? > When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: > [4]http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded- > Tire?utm > _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaig > n=Hag > erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 > Asa A Jay > -- > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [5]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [7]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 4. > http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 > 5. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 7. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- What was especially odd about that was the wheels were added by the new owner recently, it appears he either mounted old tires or remounted the tires that came on the car from the factory. Michael On Mar 27, 2014 8:52 AM, "Kirby Schrader" <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, I saw that.... 9 years old? Surprised me.. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Mike Thomas <[1][2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: Heard on the news yesterday that the LA Police cited, in addition to speed, the age of the tires contributed to the crash of the Porsche Carrera GT Paul Walker was in when he died. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:36 PM To: [3][4]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Like them old tires...? When they go, be glad you don't own a Corvette: [4][5]http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shr edded- Tire?utm _source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_camp aig n=Hag erty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 Asa A Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [5][6]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [6][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [7][8]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8][9]DeTomaso at poca.com [9][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [10][11]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:[13]mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:[14]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 3. mailto:[15]detomaso at poca.com 4. [16]http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shred ded-Tire?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_conte nt=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 5. [17]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 6. [18]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 7. [19]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 8. mailto:[20]DeTomaso at poca.com 9. [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:[22]DeTomaso at poca.com 11. [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [24]DeTomaso at poca.com [25]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded- 6. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 8. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 13. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 14. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 16. http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/03/21/Shredded-Tire?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-26-2014 17. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 18. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 19. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 24. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From demongusta at me.com Thu Mar 27 10:21:35 2014 From: demongusta at me.com (John Donahue) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:21:35 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Tommy Hodges Message-ID: <57060C7A-981C-4F0B-8BF6-A0B7966AC31D@me.com> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Corey From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Mar 27 12:02:34 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges Message-ID: <80c3e.7b006c0d.4065a59a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: > Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? > >>>Try: extremepantera at hotmail.com Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? >>>Try: extremepantera at hotmail.com Mike From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Mar 27 12:02:39 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for a clutch slave bracket Message-ID: <80c53.5315439.4065a59f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/14 7 55 53, coreyjprice at gmail.com writes: > Title says it all. Anyone have one that they are willing to sell? > >>>What kind are you after? Stock steel, or blingy polished aluminum, or blingy anodized aluminum? Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated 3/27/14 7 55 53, coreyjprice at gmail.com writes: Title says it all. Anyone have one that they are willing to sell? >>>What kind are you after? Stock steel, or blingy polished aluminum, or blingy anodized aluminum? Mike From coreyjprice at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:21:20 2014 From: coreyjprice at gmail.com (Corey Price) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:21:20 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for a clutch slave bracket In-Reply-To: <80c53.5315439.4065a59f@aol.com> References: <80c53.5315439.4065a59f@aol.com> Message-ID: Stock or black anodized aluminum is great. Corey > On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:02 AM, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/27/14 7 55 53, coreyjprice at gmail.com writes: > > >> Title says it all. Anyone have one that they are willing to sell? > > > >>>What kind are you after? Stock steel, or blingy polished aluminum, or blingy anodized aluminum? > > Mike -------------- next part -------------- Stock or black anodized aluminum is great. Corey On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:02 AM, [1]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/27/14 7 55 53, [2]coreyjprice at gmail.com writes: Title says it all. Anyone have one that they are willing to sell? >>>What kind are you after? Stock steel, or blingy polished aluminum, or blingy anodized aluminum? Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 27 13:11:17 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:11:17 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] The Shortt List Updated 3-27-2014 Message-ID: I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them, please share. Thanks Michael Shortt 38 cars so far. > > > > Want to know more? > > > > I use Marti Reports... please send yours. > > > > 11/18/13 Note: A valid point has been > > raised about build date versus release > > date, Thus the build date for each car > > will be listed next to it's serial number, > > > > followed by the release date which is > > more likely when it was finished and > > > > ready for shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > 37 US Cars and 1 Euro Car so far, > > > > > > > Please send your info if you have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > US Cars > > > > > > > TOTAL 5,244 > > > > > > > Imported to the US Market > > > > > > > 25.57% of which were Yellow > > > > The second most popular > > color appears to be White. > > > > Less than 3% were GTS Models > > > > 14% were 71's > > 40% were 72's > > 24% were 73's > > 21% were 74's > > > > > > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .57% > > of US Import Models at 30 total units. > > > > > The most popular Pantera is a > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > > 743 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > 1464 5/71 2/72 > > 1490 5/71 12/71 > > 1660 6/71 3/72 > > 1661 6/71 4/72 2042 7/71 4/72 > > > > > > > > 120 made in May > > 208 made in June 263 made in July > > 101 made in Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224 Yellow 30% > > 87 Lime 12% > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > > > > 2,131 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars included > > > > > > > 2071 9/71 5/72 > > 2207 10/71 6/72 > > 2467 1/72 6/72 > > 2586 1/72 12/72 > > 2761 2/72 10/72 > > 3310 4/72 8/72 > > 3400. 5/72 8/72 > > 3482 4/72 9/72 > > 3676 6/72 2/72 > > 3960 7/72 3/73 > > 4234 7/72 2/73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 307 made in January > > 238 made in February > > 308 made in April > > 171 made in May > > 227 made in June > > 445 made in July > > 83 made in September > > > > > > > > > > > 558 Yellow 26% > > 517 White 24% > > 436 Red 20% > > 244 Blue 11% > > 94 Lime. 4% > > 107 Silver 4% > > 57 Green 2% > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > Includes some 72 Models designated as > > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839 > > > > > > > 1,258 ALL Standard > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > > 4443* 9/72 5/73 > 4520* 9/72 10/73 > > 4566* 10/72 7/73 > > 4665* 10/72 6/73 > > > > 4860 10/72 5/73 > > 5048 12/72 8/73 > > 5445 3/73 9/73 > > 5491 4/73 12/73 > > 5906 7/73 5/74 > > 5926 7/73 7/73 > > > > > > > 68 in March > > 83 in April > > 185 in July > > 187 in October > > 163 in September > > 113 in December > > > > > > > 334 Yellow 26% > > 277 White. 22% > > 203 Orange 16% > > 178 Red 14% > > 90 Green 7% > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > > 1,112 Produced > > > > > > > 962 Standard > > 150 GTS Models > > > > > > > 6143 8/73 2/75 > > 6328 9/73 9/74 > > 6480 10/73 8/74 > > 6590 10/73 8/74 > > 6928 12/73 11/74 > > 7080 1/74 11/74 > > 7207 2/74 9/74 > > 7217 3/74 1/75 > > 7269 3/74 12/74 > > 7314 6/74 1/75 > > 7366 6/74 1/75 > > > > > > > > > 142 in Jan > > 39 in Feb > > > > 61 in Mar > > 69 in June > > 65 in Aug > > 113 in Sept > > 224 in Oct > > 128 in Dec > > > > > > > > > 225 Yellow 20% > > 191 White 17% > > 188 Orange 17% > > 151 Red 13% > > > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40% > > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40% > > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20% > > > > > > > > > > > > Euro Cars > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > 549 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > 416 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > > ? Produced > > > > > > > > > > 5186 GTS > > > > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > > > > Blk/Silver > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > 369 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following information was > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell > > > > > who credits George Pence. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971, > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles > > > > > based on the fiscal year. > > > > > > > > > > The curious part of that difference ... > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971 > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln > > > > > showroom until February or March of > > > > > 1972. > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models > > > > > since September 1971. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short, > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973, > > > > > just like Ford. > > > > > > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models, > > > > > a few were actually built before > > > > > January, in 1970) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382 > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly > > > > > line models) > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292 > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268 > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839 > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short > > > > > 6 month model year) > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899 > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's > > > > > production year, then extended. > > > > > Should have ended June 1974) > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380 > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!) > > > > > > > > > > The total number of Panteras based > > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74 > > > > > > > > > > 5,244 US Models > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models > > > > > > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136 > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334 > > > > > not counting all of 73. > > > > > > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE. > > > > > More to come. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them, please share. Thanks Michael Shortt 38 cars so far. > > > > Want to know more? > > > > I use Marti Reports... please send yours. > > > > 11/18/13 Note: A valid point has been > > raised about build date versus release > > date, Thus the build date for each car > > will be listed next to it's serial number, > > > > followed by the release date which is > > more likely when it was finished and > > > > ready for shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > 37 US Cars and 1 Euro Car so far, > > > > > > > Please send your info if you have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > US Cars > > > > > > > TOTAL 5,244 > > > > > > > Imported to the US Market > > > > > > > 25.57% of which were Yellow > > > > The second most popular > > color appears to be White. > > > > Less than 3% were GTS Models > > > > 14% were 71's > > 40% were 72's > > 24% were 73's > > 21% were 74's > > > > > > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .57% > > of US Import Models at 30 total units. > > > > > The most popular Pantera is a > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > > > 743 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > 1464 5/71 2/72 > > 1490 5/71 12/71 > > 1660 6/71 3/72 > > 1661 6/71 4/72 2042 7/71 4/72 > > > > > > > > 120 made in May > > 208 made in June 263 made in July > > 101 made in Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224 Yellow 30% > > 87 Lime 12% > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > > > > > 2,131 ALL Standard > > > > > > > > > Cars included > > > > > > > 2071 9/71 5/72 > > 2207 10/71 6/72 > > 2467 1/72 6/72 > > 2586 1/72 12/72 > > 2761 2/72 10/72 > > 3310 4/72 8/72 > > 3400. 5/72 8/72 > > 3482 4/72 9/72 > > 3676 6/72 2/72 > > 3960 7/72 3/73 > > 4234 7/72 2/73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 307 made in January > > 238 made in February > > 308 made in April > > 171 made in May > > 227 made in June > > 445 made in July > > 83 made in September > > > > > > > > > > > 558 Yellow 26% > > 517 White 24% > > 436 Red 20% > > 244 Blue 11% > > 94 Lime. 4% > > 107 Silver 4% > > 57 Green 2% > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > Includes some 72 Models designated as > > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839 > > > > > > > 1,258 ALL Standard > > > > > > > Cars Included > > > > > > > 4443* 9/72 5/73 > 4520* 9/72 10/73 > > 4566* 10/72 7/73 > > 4665* 10/72 6/73 > > > > 4860 10/72 5/73 > > 5048 12/72 8/73 > > 5445 3/73 9/73 > > 5491 4/73 12/73 > > 5906 7/73 5/74 > > 5926 7/73 7/73 > > > > > > > 68 in March > > 83 in April > > 185 in July > > 187 in October > > 163 in September > > 113 in December > > > > > > > 334 Yellow 26% > > 277 White. 22% > > 203 Orange 16% > > 178 Red 14% > > 90 Green 7% > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > > > 1,112 Produced > > > > > > > 962 Standard > > 150 GTS Models > > > > > > > 6143 8/73 2/75 > > 6328 9/73 9/74 > > 6480 10/73 8/74 > > 6590 10/73 8/74 > > 6928 12/73 11/74 > > 7080 1/74 11/74 > > 7207 2/74 9/74 > > 7217 3/74 1/75 > > 7269 3/74 12/74 > > 7314 6/74 1/75 > > 7366 6/74 1/75 > > > > > > > > > 142 in Jan > > 39 in Feb > > > > 61 in Mar > > 69 in June > > 65 in Aug > > 113 in Sept > > 224 in Oct > > 128 in Dec > > > > > > > > > 225 Yellow 20% > > 191 White 17% > > 188 Orange 17% > > 151 Red 13% > > > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40% > > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40% > > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20% > > > > > > > > > > > > Euro Cars > > > > > > > > > > 1971 > > > > > 549 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1972 > > > > > 416 Produced > > > > > > > > > > 1973 > > > > > > > > > > ? Produced > > > > > > > > > > 5186 GTS > > > > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > > > > Blk/Silver > > > > > > > > > > 1974 > > > > > 369 Produced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following information was > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell > > > > > who credits George Pence. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971, > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles > > > > > based on the fiscal year. > > > > > > > > > > The curious part of that difference ... > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971 > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln > > > > > showroom until February or March of > > > > > 1972. > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models > > > > > since September 1971. > > > > > > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short, > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973, > > > > > just like Ford. > > > > > > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models, > > > > > a few were actually built before > > > > > January, in 1970) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382 > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly > > > > > line models) > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292 > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971 > > > > > > > > > > Pre-L > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268 > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839 > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short > > > > > 6 month model year) > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899 > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's > > > > > production year, then extended. > > > > > Should have ended June 1974) > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380 > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974 > > > > > > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!) > > > > > > > > > > The total number of Panteras based > > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74 > > > > > > > > > > 5,244 US Models > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models > > > > > > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136 > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334 > > > > > not counting all of 73. > > > > > > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE. > > > > > More to come. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [1]www.michaelshortt.com [2]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From michael at michaelshortt.com Thu Mar 27 13:53:04 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:53:04 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Message-ID: Is anybody using Evans Waterless Coolant or any other brand? Aside from the cost ( in a Pantera, about $150.00 ), any noticed advantages? How much higher does it raise the operating temp? Can it be used on track ( rules generally prohibit antifreeze)? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- Is anybody using Evans Waterless Coolant or any other brand? Aside from the cost ( in a Pantera, about $150.00 ), any noticed advantages? How much higher does it raise the operating temp? Can it be used on track ( rules generally prohibit antifreeze)? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [1]www.michaelshortt.com [2]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com From dave at damardirect.com Thu Mar 27 16:26:19 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:26:19 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Flammable worries a lot of people. I think I read something about banned from SCCA but not sure. -----Original Message----- From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:53 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Is anybody using Evans Waterless Coolant or any other brand? Aside from the cost ( in a Pantera, about $150.00 ), any noticed advantages? How much higher does it raise the operating temp? Can it be used on track ( rules generally prohibit antifreeze)? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you From kenn_green at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 16:52:12 2014 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1395953532.50017.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's all black magic.? Actually, there are good and bad things.? It is flammable, but I'm not sure how volatile.? I suspect not nearly as bad as gas. They worked with a guy racing a Pantera so have experience.? It has a little lower heat capacity than a 50/50 mix, but not a lot, probably results in a little higher steady state temperature.? I think there are three versions, so you need to know which your are talking about. You can run it at near zero pressure, which is nice with all the connections in the water lines.? They claim the higher boiling temp prevents or reduces boiling in the heads adjacent to the combustion chambers, which helps reduce hot spots in the chambers and resulting detonation.? But even if you can live with higher coolant temp, it could be an issue with an oil to water heat exchanger if you are thinking about that as an option. It seems like most gearheads extrapolate from limited experience and will swear that a product is terrible or wonderful.? There are so many variable that it's hard to know what really made an engine overheat or run cooler, unless there is a clear issue, like fans running backwards. web site:? http://www.evanscooling.com/products/coolants/ Ken ________________________________ From: Dave To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Flammable worries a lot of people. I think I read something about? banned from SCCA but not sure. -----Original Message----- From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:53 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Is anybody using Evans Waterless Coolant or any other brand? Aside from the cost ( in a Pantera, about $150.00 ), any noticed advantages? How much higher does it raise the operating temp? Can it be used on track ( rules generally prohibit antifreeze)? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.? Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it.? Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- It's all black magic. Actually, there are good and bad things. It is flammable, but I'm not sure how volatile. I suspect not nearly as bad as gas. They worked with a guy racing a Pantera so have experience. It has a little lower heat capacity than a 50/50 mix, but not a lot, probably results in a little higher steady state temperature. I think there are three versions, so you need to know which your are talking about. You can run it at near zero pressure, which is nice with all the connections in the water lines. They claim the higher boiling temp prevents or reduces boiling in the heads adjacent to the combustion chambers, which helps reduce hot spots in the chambers and resulting detonation. But even if you can live with higher coolant temp, it could be an issue with an oil to water heat exchanger if you are thinking about that as an option. It seems like most gearheads extrapolate from limited experience and will swear that a product is terrible or wonderful. There are so many variable that it's hard to know what really made an engine overheat or run cooler, unless there is a clear issue, like fans running backwards. web site: [1]http://www.evanscooling.com/products/coolants/ Ken From: Dave To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" ; "detomaso at poca.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Flammable worries a lot of people. I think I read something about banned from SCCA but not sure. -----Original Message----- From: [2]michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:[3]michael at michaelshortt.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:53 PM To: [4]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Is anybody using Evans Waterless Coolant or any other brand? Aside from the cost ( in a Pantera, about $150.00 ), any noticed advantages? How much higher does it raise the operating temp? Can it be used on track ( rules generally prohibit antifreeze)? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com [5]michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at poca.com [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://www.evanscooling.com/products/coolants/ 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Evans Collant flyer.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 494277 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at damardirect.com Thu Mar 27 16:57:01 2014 From: dave at damardirect.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:57:01 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant References: Message-ID: I forgot to send this link: http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=Evans+Waterless+Coolant+ -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:26 PM To: 'michael at michaelshortt.com'; detomaso at poca.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Flammable worries a lot of people. I think I read something about banned from SCCA but not sure. -----Original Message----- From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:53 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Waterless Engine Coolant Is anybody using Evans Waterless Coolant or any other brand? Aside from the cost ( in a Pantera, about $150.00 ), any noticed advantages? How much higher does it raise the operating temp? Can it be used on track ( rules generally prohibit antifreeze)? Michael Shortt -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you From don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 21:17:15 2014 From: don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com (Don Thomas) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:17:15 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value In-Reply-To: References: <1395871331.93534.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: neat. A Pantera made out of LEGO's http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71492 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Al Gisby wrote: > Dear All > I'm under 40 (1975 kid) and have a pantera. I have also been tinkling > with classics for many years. > A factory MGB GT V8 proceeded the Pantera and I still have a series 1 > MX5 [miata to most of you] and a Mexico bug to keep me busy along with > the Pantera. > Coming from the UK, there was always a larger group of 'youngsters' > getting involved in classics as particular cars [and tools] are more > accessible and cheaper. Since being here in Italy, the classics are > always grandpa's hobby as sometimes getting parts is cost prohibitive > as generally the monthly pay cheque is less. > Vespas and Lambrettas are big here only because they are a cheap way > into classics. > Smaller cars such as the early Fiat 500's have now fallen right of the > scales with high prices being paid, and most projects now being shipped > out of Italy with dealers buying 10-20 at a time. > The De Tomaso Mini has also gained some ground in the last year, so if > you want a pocket rocket to drive down the middle of your gigantic US > shopping malls - do it now. > Ciao for now > Al # 1925 > p.s. Lego Technics and Top Trumps has alot to answer for. How similar > is the Lego Technic Test Car model 8865 released in 1988 to a Pantera - > uncanny!!! > p.p.s BMW M1 - is this really just a German Pantera? > p.p.p.s OK - its morning here, so time to go and clean all my teeth > [fillings free], which quite handily all still remain in my head > From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: coreyjprice at gmail.com; lotus0005 at hotmail.com > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:21:12 +0000 > CC: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Welcome to the forum junior. LOL ;-)) > > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead > Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > > From: Corey Price > > Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM > To: Bill Lewis > > Cc: De Tomaso List > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > > I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that > are sur > prised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age > like t > he Pantera. > > I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 > hp wa > s a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the > car bu > t it wasn't the time. > > > On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis lotus0005@ > hotmail.com>> wrote: > My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in > vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend > many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they > going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other > than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis > __________________________________________________________________ > From: michael at michaelshortt.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > To: lashdeep at yahoo.com > CC: dave at damardirect.com; > rob at dumoulins.net to:rob at dumoulins.net>; lotus0005 at hotmail.com >; > detomaso at poca.com > At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, > Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 > set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older > men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they > loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for > driving. > Michael Shortt > The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com lashdeep at ya > hoo.com>> wrote: > I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd > that > loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. > Yet, those cars are still valuable now. > Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long > before > any of them were born. > I have cars that were made before I was born as well. > There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than > there > has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular > type of > car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, > Youtube, > Pinterest, etc. > Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... > LS > central > wines-spirits est 1934 > 625 e street nw > washington, dc 20004 > [1][2]centralwines.com > [2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors > 202-737-2800 > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com> > To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; > Bill > Lewis > <[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> > Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that > caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future > caretakers. > IndyDave > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Bill Lewis > Cc: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > Response inline > On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com > :lotus0005 at hotmail.com>> > wrote: > I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here > before > - > about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I > don't > know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) > lack of > interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First > question > is, > is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned > around? > ----------------------------------------- > -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending > $$$$ on > racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the > old TV > "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would > churn > out a > bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want > kids to > smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies > smoke. > I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent > what is wrong with youth. > . > ---BILL Lewis > From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov > To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; > [7][12]detomaso at poc > a.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased > value > I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now > (today) > will alway > s drive them! > I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up > and > driving my > Pantera. > Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might > not > drive > them a > s much. In 2035 it > would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric > cars > on > the hi > ghway. ;-) > Of course availability of gas might be a problem. > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead > Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX > Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov [9][14]thimes at jpl. > nasa.gov> > From: Scott Carpenter > <[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com [11][16]sc > scottc at gmail.com>> > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM > To: De Tomaso List > <[12][17]detomaso at poca.com [13][18]deto > maso at poca.com>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value > I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. > Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of > $35,000, > last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a > claim > so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I > will > probably > look at bumping it up in the next year or two. > As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise > in > values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally > given > some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I > don't > want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not > want to drive them. > Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a > viable > risk > to > take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... > If > it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to > question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs > and > Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or > yelling > at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. > Scott > #1523 > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum > Managed > by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14][19]DeTomaso at poca.com DeTomaso at poca. > com> > [15][20][1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [16][21]DeTomaso at poca.com > [17][22][2]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [18][23]DeTomaso at poca.com > [19][24][3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > References > 1. 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A Pantera made out of LEGO's [1]http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71492 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Al Gisby <[2]algisby at hotmail.com> wrote: Dear All I'm under 40 (1975 kid) and have a pantera. I have also been tinkling with classics for many years. A factory MGB GT V8 proceeded the Pantera and I still have a series 1 MX5 [miata to most of you] and a Mexico bug to keep me busy along with the Pantera. Coming from the UK, there was always a larger group of 'youngsters' getting involved in classics as particular cars [and tools] are more accessible and cheaper. Since being here in Italy, the classics are always grandpa's hobby as sometimes getting parts is cost prohibitive as generally the monthly pay cheque is less. Vespas and Lambrettas are big here only because they are a cheap way into classics. Smaller cars such as the early Fiat 500's have now fallen right of the scales with high prices being paid, and most projects now being shipped out of Italy with dealers buying 10-20 at a time. The De Tomaso Mini has also gained some ground in the last year, so if you want a pocket rocket to drive down the middle of your gigantic US shopping malls - do it now. Ciao for now Al # 1925 p.s. Lego Technics and Top Trumps has alot to answer for. How similar is the Lego Technic Test Car model 8865 released in 1988 to a Pantera - uncanny!!! p.p.s BMW M1 - is this really just a German Pantera? p.p.p.s OK - its morning here, so time to go and clean all my teeth [fillings free], which quite handily all still remain in my head From: [3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [4]coreyjprice at gmail.com; [5]lotus0005 at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:21:12 +0000 CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Welcome to the forum junior. LOL ;-)) Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [7](818) 393-6261 Cell: [8](818) 653-8213 Fax: [9](818) 393-3147 [10]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Corey Price <[12]coreyjprice at gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM To: Bill Lewis <[14]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[16]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I'm under 40 and own a Pantera. There are people in my neighborhood that are sur prised when I tell them what I have though. Most car guys that are my age like t he Pantera. I went to high school thinking the glory days of horsepower were over; 300 hp wa s a LOT to me. I had a 5.0 Mustang and loved it. I had big dreams for the car bu t it wasn't the time. On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lewis <[18]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: [21]michael at michaelshortt.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value To: [23]lashdeep at yahoo.com CC: [25]dave at damardirect.com; [27]rob at dumoulins.net; [29]lotus0005 at hotmail.com; [31]detomaso at poca.com At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving. Michael Shortt The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1][33]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote: I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away. Yet, those cars are still valuable now. Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before any of them were born. I have cars that were made before I was born as well. There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube, Pinterest, etc. Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though... LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1][2][36]centralwines.com [2][3][37]facebook.com/CentralLiquors [38]202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <[4][39]dave at damardirect.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <[5][41]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis <[6][43]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> Cc: De Tomaso List <[7][45]detomaso at poca.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future caretakers. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8][47]rob at dumoulins.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value Response inline On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9][48]lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote: I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before - about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming) lack of interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question is, is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned around? ----------------------------------------- -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending $$$$ on racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the old TV "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn out a bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want kids to smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies smoke. I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent what is wrong with youth. . ---BILL Lewis From: [5][10][50]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov To: [6][11][52]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poc [54]a.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today) will alway s drive them! I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and driving my Pantera. Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not drive them a s much. In 2035 it would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric cars on the hi ghway. ;-) Of course availability of gas might be a problem. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: [56](818) 393-6261 Cell: [57](818) 653-8213 Fax: [58](818) 393-3147 [8][13][59]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Scott Carpenter <[10][15][62]scscottc at gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM To: De Tomaso List <[12][17][65]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago. Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of $35,000, last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I will probably look at bumping it up in the next year or two. As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not want to drive them. Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable risk to take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod. 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http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 180. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 181. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 182. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 22:08:28 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:08:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In-Reply-To: <80c3e.7b006c0d.4065a59a@aol.com> References: <80c3e.7b006c0d.4065a59a@aol.com> Message-ID: <05a701cf4a2a$9c707010$d5515030$@comcast.net> Need a mailing address to send a vendor letter to. Thanks Mike From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:03 AM To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? >>>Try: extremepantera at hotmail.com Mike -------------- next part -------------- Need a mailing address to send a vendor letter to. Thanks Mike From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:03 AM To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, [1]mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? >>>Try: [2]extremepantera at hotmail.com Mike References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:extremepantera at hotmail.com From pantera01826 at rogers.com Thu Mar 27 22:51:42 2014 From: pantera01826 at rogers.com (Mark Charlton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 22:51:42 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In-Reply-To: <05a701cf4a2a$9c707010$d5515030$@comcast.net> References: <80c3e.7b006c0d.4065a59a@aol.com> <05a701cf4a2a$9c707010$d5515030$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Extreme Pantera 6332 Burnham Ave. Buena Park, CA. 90621 714-562-8664 Mark Charlton pantera01826 at rogers.com On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Mike Thomas wrote: > Need a mailing address to send a vendor letter to. > > Thanks > > Mike > > > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:03 AM > To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges > > > In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, [1]mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: > > Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? > >>>> Try: > [2]extremepantera at hotmail.com > Mike > > References > > 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net > 2. mailto:extremepantera at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From pantdino at aol.com Thu Mar 27 23:01:54 2014 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In-Reply-To: <05a701cf4a2a$9c707010$d5515030$@comcast.net> References: <80c3e.7b006c0d.4065a59a@aol.com> <05a701cf4a2a$9c707010$d5515030$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D118493535E8E7-2624-A9C5@webmail-m298.sysops.aol.com> He's at: 6332 Burnham Ave Buena Park, CA 90621-2211 Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Thomas To: MikeLDrew ; detomaso Sent: Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges Need a mailing address to send a vendor letter to. Thanks Mike From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:03 AM To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, [1]mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? >>>Try: [2]extremepantera at hotmail.com Mike References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:extremepantera at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- He's at: 6332 Burnham Ave Buena Park, CA 90621-2211 Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Thomas To: MikeLDrew ; detomaso Sent: Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges Need a mailing address to send a vendor letter to. Thanks Mike From: [1]MikeLDrew at aol.com [[2]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:03 AM To: [3]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [4]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Address for Tommy Hodges In a message dated 3/27/14 5 31 53, [1][5]mbefthomas at comcast.net writes: Does anybody have an address for Tommy Hodges Extreme Pantera? >>>Try: [2][6]extremepantera at hotmail.com Mike References 1. [7]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. [8]mailto:extremepantera at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com? 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 6. mailto:extremepantera at hotmail.com 7. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net? 8. mailto:extremepantera at hotmail.com? 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com Fri Mar 28 00:31:33 2014 From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com (John Taphorn) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure Message-ID: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com> Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm JT From pantera at cox.net Fri Mar 28 03:22:31 2014 From: pantera at cox.net (Al Chelini) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:22:31 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Pantera on Discovery TV's "Fast N' Loud" Message-ID: While buying some Cleveland parts, I recently ran into a new Pantera owner, Paul of Santa Ana, CA, and advised him of the POCA support group and this forum. He wasn't aware of the membership. Judy McCartney has been advised, and so has POCA application materials going out to him. Anyway, his car will be soon be featured on Discovery Channel's "Fast N' Loud", episode 28, thought the group would be interested. It's scheduled to be aired on Cox Cable on Saturday, April 5th, at 10 AM, your own cable provider may have a different time slot and channel on this Discovery program . Best, Al (still recruiting membership) Chelini #3915 -------------- next part -------------- While buying some Cleveland parts, I recently ran into a new Pantera owner, Paul of Santa Ana, CA, and advised him of the POCA support group and this forum. He wasn't aware of the membership. Judy McCartney has been advised, and so has POCA application materials going out to him. Anyway, his car will be soon be featured on Discovery Channel's "Fast N' Loud", episode 28, thought the group would be interested. It's scheduled to be aired on Cox Cable on Saturday, April 5th, at 10 AM, your own cable provider may have a different time slot and channel on this Discovery program . Best, Al (still recruiting membership) Chelini #3915 From mbefthomas at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 08:45:54 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 05:45:54 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure In-Reply-To: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com> References: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: <05e001cf4a83$a8fa2250$faee66f0$@comcast.net> John, where are you picking up the car? We're doing an engine pull in Kirkland, across Lake Washington from Seattle, on Saturday morning, but should be done by noon. Perhaps I could try to make it by your pick up before you head out. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of John Taphorn Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:32 PM To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm JT _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From tmshinro at aol.com Fri Mar 28 09:59:40 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera shell for sale Message-ID: <8D118A518F7EA5B-17A0-A2E@webmail-va060.sysops.aol.com> Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html Tom 5186 -------------- next part -------------- Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html Tom 5186 From spkorb at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 10:06:21 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:06:21 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera shell for sale In-Reply-To: <8D118A518F7EA5B-17A0-A2E@webmail-va060.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D118A518F7EA5B-17A0-A2E@webmail-va060.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Neat! But ummmm... what makes that happen? Just a "make more money in parts than a whole" exercise? Seems like a good shell to fix up if you have a wrecked one. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tom Shinrock wrote: > Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html > Tom > 5186 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- Neat! But ummmm... what makes that happen? Just a "make more money in parts than a whole" exercise? Seems like a good shell to fix up if you have a wrecked one. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tom Shinrock <[1]tmshinro at aol.com> wrote: Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 [2]http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html Tom 5186 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 2. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ From boyd411 at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 11:27:46 2014 From: boyd411 at gmail.com (Boyd Casey) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:27:46 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera shell for sale In-Reply-To: References: <8D118A518F7EA5B-17A0-A2E@webmail-va060.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Unless you have a wreck you are trying to rebuild it will cost a small fortune to turn this into a Complete Pantera. On the other hand if you have a wreck this would be a god send as long as most of the parts from your wreck are still usable. I've seen complete cars selling for $15K. They were Rough (RUFFF RUFFF) but they were all there! Boyd On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Sean Korb wrote: > Neat! But ummmm... what makes that happen? Just a "make more money in > parts than a whole" exercise? Seems like a good shell to fix up if you > have a wrecked one. > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tom Shinrock <[1]tmshinro at aol.com> > wrote: > > Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 > [2]http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html > Tom > 5186 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at poca.com > [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -- > Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > References > > 1. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com > 2. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Unless you have a wreck you are trying to rebuild it will cost a small fortune to turn this into a Complete Pantera. On the other hand if you have a wreck this would be a god send as long as most of the parts from your wreck are still usable. I've seen complete cars selling for $15K. They were Rough (RUFFF RUFFF) but they were all there! Boyd On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: Neat! But ummmm... what makes that happen? Just a "make more money in parts than a whole" exercise? Seems like a good shell to fix up if you have a wrecked one. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tom Shinrock <[1][2]tmshinro at aol.com> wrote: Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 [2][3]http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html Tom 5186 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3][4]DeTomaso at poca.com [4][5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Sean Korb [5][6]spkorb at spkorb.org [6][7]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. mailto:[8]tmshinro at aol.com 2. [9]http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html 3. mailto:[10]DeTomaso at poca.com 4. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 5. mailto:[12]spkorb at spkorb.org 6. [13]http://www.spkorb.org/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 2. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 3. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 6. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 7. http://www.spkorb.org/ 8. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 9. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 13. http://www.spkorb.org/ 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 11:51:25 2014 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:51:25 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure In-Reply-To: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com> References: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't someone transport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just need a road trip! Good luck, Julian > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > JT > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't someone transport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just need a road trip! Good luck, Julian > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > cell 713.553.5474[1] Call: 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > JT > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmpXqnEoN.html From tmshinro at aol.com Fri Mar 28 12:20:10 2014 From: tmshinro at aol.com (Tom Shinrock) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta on eBay Message-ID: <8D118B8B971CFD7-1C6C-1ABD@webmail-d286.sysops.aol.com> $219K and it's yours. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Detomaso-Mangusta-Mangusta-/321363424546?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160 Went into the registry but couldn't find the VIN as listed (US69640). Were there other VINs that didn't start with 8MA? Tom 5186 -------------- next part -------------- $219K and it's yours. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Detomaso-Mangusta-Mangusta-/3213634 24546?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160 Went into the registry but couldn't find the VIN as listed (US69640). Were there other VINs that didn't start with 8MA? Tom 5186 From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 12:34:35 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:34:35 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com>, Message-ID: They're renting a van and a trailer - gonna save money by sleeping in the van. ---BILL L From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:51:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't someone transport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just need a road trip! Good luck, Julian > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > JT > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- They're renting a van and a trailer - gonna save money by sleeping in the van. ---BILL L From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:51:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't someone tr ansport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just need a road tr ip! Good luck, Julian > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > JT > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [1]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From Larry at ohiotimecorp.com Fri Mar 28 14:26:32 2014 From: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com (Larry - Ohio Time) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:26:32 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com>, Message-ID: I think it would be more fun to just drive the race car home. It must be fast!! Larry (wish I could go too) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:35 PM To: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure They're renting a van and a trailer - gonna save money by sleeping in the van. ---BILL L From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com; detomaso at poca.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:51:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't someone transport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just need a road trip! Good luck, Julian > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > JT > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From edducati at mac.com Fri Mar 28 15:26:10 2014 From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:26:10 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th Message-ID: Calling all Panteras for Cars and Coffee in Irvine April 12th 7am-9am! I realize that some of you live far away but just wanted to invite everyone on behalf of San Diego Panteras chapter of POCA. Probably grab breakfast somewhere around there after the event. Should be a great showing as we have 20+ cars showing already. Please let me know if you are planning on joining as we know the person who puts on the event and can get front row parking for our Panteras. I hope you will join us. Thanks Ed Sent from my iPhone 5 From rcbsons1 at aol.com Fri Mar 28 15:30:35 2014 From: rcbsons1 at aol.com (rcbsons1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Road Trip Message-ID: <8D118D35376733D-8A8-2A12@webmail-vm046.sysops.aol.com> John, you can stop by my shop in Norcal-Campbell Califorinia.. four Panteras at one site you could crash inside the front room if you want..park inside a gated yard ... Most Pantera guys going to Brizio's shop tomorrow... let me know Bob Benson 408 209-7677 cell -------------- next part -------------- John, you can stop by my shop in Norcal-Campbell Califorinia.. four Panteras at one site you could crash inside the front room if you want..park inside a gated yard ... Most Pantera guys going to Brizio's shop tomorrow... let me know Bob Benson 408 209-7677 cell From rob at dumoulins.net Fri Mar 28 16:51:16 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:51:16 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera shell for sale In-Reply-To: <8D118A518F7EA5B-17A0-A2E@webmail-va060.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D118A518F7EA5B-17A0-A2E@webmail-va060.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Curious, In So. Cal, what would it cost for a body shop to strip down a running Pantera to this point to prep for a rotisserie rebuild? Rob On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tom Shinrock wrote: > Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html > Tom > 5186 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Curious, In So. Cal, what would it cost for a body shop to strip down a running Pantera to this point to prep for a rotisserie rebuild? Rob On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tom Shinrock <[1]tmshinro at aol.com> wrote: Craigslist has a Pantera body for sale for $10500 [2]http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html Tom 5186 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at poca.com [4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com 2. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4385425453.html 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mikebecker at cox.net Fri Mar 28 21:21:34 2014 From: mikebecker at cox.net (Michael Becker) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:21:34 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm in -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:26 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Cars and Coffee Irvine April 12th Calling all Panteras for Cars and Coffee in Irvine April 12th 7am-9am! I realize that some of you live far away but just wanted to invite everyone on behalf of San Diego Panteras chapter of POCA. Probably grab breakfast somewhere around there after the event. Should be a great showing as we have 20+ cars showing already. Please let me know if you are planning on joining as we know the person who puts on the event and can get front row parking for our Panteras. I hope you will join us. Thanks Ed Sent from my iPhone 5 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From robpink2012 at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 22:13:13 2014 From: robpink2012 at gmail.com (Robert Pink) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:13:13 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure In-Reply-To: References: <5334FB25.4090408@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: We just picked up the car which included the trailer and an entire 14 foot box of spares. 4 engines, 4 or 5 transmissions, differentials, tires, wheels, heads, carbs, radiators etc etc. we are heading south to LA. Not sure what time we will hit CA. On Friday, March 28, 2014, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > I think it would be more fun to just drive the race car home. It must be > fast!! > > > Larry (wish I could go too) - Cleveland > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com ] On > Behalf Of Bill Lewis > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:35 PM > To: De Tomaso List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > They're renting a van and a trailer - gonna save money by sleeping in the > van. ---BILL L > > From: julian_kift at hotmail.com > To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com ; detomaso at poca.com > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:51:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't > someone transport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just > need a road trip! > > Good luck, > Julian > > > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > > To: detomaso at POCA.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then > East. > > > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > > cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > > > JT > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -------------- next part -------------- We just picked up the car which included the trailer and an entire 14 foot box of spares. 4 engines, 4 or 5 transmissions, differentials, tires, wheels, heads, carbs, radiators etc etc. we are heading south to LA. Not sure what time we will hit CA. On Friday, March 28, 2014, Larry - Ohio Time <[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: I think it would be more fun to just drive the race car home. It must be fast!! Larry (wish I could go too) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:35 PM To: De Tomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure They're renting a van and a trailer - gonna save money by sleeping in the van. ---BILL L From: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com To: [4]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com; [5]detomaso at poca.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:51:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure So how does that work, you rent a tow car & trailer one way? Couldn't someone transport it for you for a lot less hassle and cost? Or do you just need a road trip! Good luck, Julian > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:31:33 -0500 > From: [6]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com > To: detomaso at POCA.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rob & John's Big Adventure > > Rob Pink and I are flying into Seattle Friday to pick up a vintage 240Z > race car and trailer it back to Houston TX. > > While we hoped to take a more direct route southeast, it looks like the > weather will have us driving south through California to LA and then East. > > While we can't dawdle to much, we'd love to hook up with Pantera folks > along the way for a bite or two where it makes sense. Call me on my > cell 713.553.5474 if you are game. > > We hope to be loaded up and headed South out of Seattle by 3:00pm > > JT > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at poca.com [10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [11]DeTomaso at poca.com [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com 2. javascript:; 3. javascript:; 4. javascript:; 5. javascript:; 6. javascript:; 7. javascript:; 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. javascript:; 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 11. javascript:; 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From spkorb at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 00:34:18 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:34:18 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] [Fordnatics] Tire choices for TractionLTD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Probably not an issue for racing and I agree that greasy tires can be a lot of fun and are more forgiving but... Watch those date codes. If your tires are hard because they are old they might be dry rotted. That's pretty dangerous. sean On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Peter Russell wrote: > If by "turned to stone", you mean that the rubber compound got hard, then > that's exactly what happened to mine. Which is probably why mine have > lasted for so long with tons of tread left. I don't mind exchanging the > grip for durability... Even though it's an open track car. > > I had a championship american iron racer drive my car with the rock hard > tires in my intermediate lapping group (level 3 out of 4), and he decimated > the field which included stis and Evos on R compounds a viper a Corvette or > two. Until I even begin to approach that skill level I'll keep learning on > the hard stuff. > On Mar 28, 2014 4:20 PM, "Big Al" wrote: > >> And I have had the exact opposite experience. Chinese truck tires. Turned >> to stone in about 30K miles. Never again. If it's not made here it stays on >> the rack. I have had decent luck with off shore motorcycle tires however. >> >> Al >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Peter Russell wrote: >> >>> Re the whole deal about cheap tires possibly not lasting... Not always. >>> I have a set of 275/40/17's on my track car that. were the cheapest tire >>> offered in that size by tire rack... Back in 2003... >>> >>> >> -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- Probably not an issue for racing and I agree that greasy tires can be a lot of fun and are more forgiving but... Watch those date codes. If your tires are hard because they are old they might be dry rotted. That's pretty dangerous. sean On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Peter Russell <[1]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: If by "turned to stone", you mean that the rubber compound got hard, then that's exactly what happened to mine. Which is probably why mine have lasted for so long with tons of tread left. I don't mind exchanging the grip for durability... Even though it's an open track car. I had a championship american iron racer drive my car with the rock hard tires in my intermediate lapping group (level 3 out of 4), and he decimated the field which included stis and Evos on R compounds a viper a Corvette or two. Until I even begin to approach that skill level I'll keep learning on the hard stuff. On Mar 28, 2014 4:20 PM, "Big Al" <[2]molinky at gmail.com> wrote: And I have had the exact opposite experience. Chinese truck tires. Turned to stone in about 30K miles. Never again. If it's not made here it stays on the rack. I have had decent luck with off shore motorcycle tires however. Al On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Peter Russell <[3]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: Re the whole deal about cheap tires possibly not lasting... Not always. I have a set of 275/40/17's on my track car that. were the cheapest tire offered in that size by tire rack... Back in 2003... -- Sean Korb [4]spkorb at spkorb.org [5]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 2. mailto:molinky at gmail.com 3. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 4. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 5. http://www.spkorb.org/ From spkorb at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 00:35:15 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:35:15 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] [Fordnatics] Tire choices for TractionLTD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry... did it again. Wrong forum. This is the one where we been there and done that. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Sean Korb wrote: > Probably not an issue for racing and I agree that greasy tires can be a > lot of fun and are more forgiving but... > > Watch those date codes. If your tires are hard because they are old they > might be dry rotted. That's pretty dangerous. > > sean > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Peter Russell wrote: > >> If by "turned to stone", you mean that the rubber compound got hard, then >> that's exactly what happened to mine. Which is probably why mine have >> lasted for so long with tons of tread left. I don't mind exchanging the >> grip for durability... Even though it's an open track car. >> >> I had a championship american iron racer drive my car with the rock hard >> tires in my intermediate lapping group (level 3 out of 4), and he decimated >> the field which included stis and Evos on R compounds a viper a Corvette or >> two. Until I even begin to approach that skill level I'll keep learning on >> the hard stuff. >> On Mar 28, 2014 4:20 PM, "Big Al" wrote: >> >>> And I have had the exact opposite experience. Chinese truck tires. >>> Turned to stone in about 30K miles. Never again. If it's not made here it >>> stays on the rack. I have had decent luck with off shore motorcycle tires >>> however. >>> >>> Al >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Peter Russell wrote: >>> >>>> Re the whole deal about cheap tires possibly not lasting... Not >>>> always. I have a set of 275/40/17's on my track car that. were the >>>> cheapest tire offered in that size by tire rack... Back in 2003... >>>> >>>> >>> > > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- Sorry... did it again. Wrong forum. This is the one where we been there and done that. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: Probably not an issue for racing and I agree that greasy tires can be a lot of fun and are more forgiving but... Watch those date codes. If your tires are hard because they are old they might be dry rotted. That's pretty dangerous. sean On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Peter Russell <[2]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: If by "turned to stone", you mean that the rubber compound got hard, then that's exactly what happened to mine. Which is probably why mine have lasted for so long with tons of tread left. I don't mind exchanging the grip for durability... Even though it's an open track car. I had a championship american iron racer drive my car with the rock hard tires in my intermediate lapping group (level 3 out of 4), and he decimated the field which included stis and Evos on R compounds a viper a Corvette or two. Until I even begin to approach that skill level I'll keep learning on the hard stuff. On Mar 28, 2014 4:20 PM, "Big Al" <[3]molinky at gmail.com> wrote: And I have had the exact opposite experience. Chinese truck tires. Turned to stone in about 30K miles. Never again. If it's not made here it stays on the rack. I have had decent luck with off shore motorcycle tires however. Al On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Peter Russell <[4]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: Re the whole deal about cheap tires possibly not lasting... Not always. I have a set of 275/40/17's on my track car that. were the cheapest tire offered in that size by tire rack... Back in 2003... -- Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -- Sean Korb [7]spkorb at spkorb.org [8]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 2. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 3. mailto:molinky at gmail.com 4. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ 7. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 8. http://www.spkorb.org/ From michael at michaelshortt.com Sat Mar 29 08:33:44 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 08:33:44 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] [Fordnatics] Tire choices for TractionLTD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Once upon a time, I bought another GMC motorhome and started to drive it home on the back two lane roads south of Ocala. I made it 12 miles when the front left tire destroyed itself and the motorcoach veered sharply into the oncoming lane in the path of an orange juice tanker semitruck. Luckily, I had just enough time to manhandle the moho (with an adrenaline shot to be sure) back into my lane except for my driver's mirror assembly which was sheered off by the tanker truck. That was the second time that I have cheated death with a semi truck. Have you ever seen what makes up the front construction of a motorhome (esp a vintage model like thr GMC), fiberglass, stamped metal frame and a giant windshield? It was discovered that the GMC tires were 10 years old, which is common on mohos because most never see high mileage, they sit outdoors and slowly dry rot. That's when I started paying attention to date codes. Michael Shortt On Mar 29, 2014 12:35 AM, "Sean Korb" wrote: > Probably not an issue for racing and I agree that greasy tires can be a > lot of fun and are more forgiving but... > Watch those date codes. If your tires are hard because they are old > they might be dry rotted. That's pretty dangerous. > sean > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Peter Russell > <[1]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: > > If by "turned to stone", you mean that the rubber compound got hard, > then that's exactly what happened to mine. Which is probably why > mine have lasted for so long with tons of tread left. I don't mind > exchanging the grip for durability... Even though it's an open track > car. > > I had a championship american iron racer drive my car with the rock > hard tires in my intermediate lapping group (level 3 out of 4), and > he decimated the field which included stis and Evos on R compounds a > viper a Corvette or two. Until I even begin to approach that skill > level I'll keep learning on the hard stuff. > > On Mar 28, 2014 4:20 PM, "Big Al" <[2]molinky at gmail.com> wrote: > > And I have had the exact opposite experience. Chinese truck tires. > Turned to stone in about 30K miles. Never again. If it's not made here > it stays on the rack. I have had decent luck with off shore motorcycle > tires however. > Al > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Peter Russell > <[3]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Re the whole deal about cheap tires possibly not lasting... Not > always. I have a set of 275/40/17's on my track car that. were the > cheapest tire offered in that size by tire rack... Back in 2003... > > -- > Sean Korb [4]spkorb at spkorb.org [5]http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera > #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > > References > > 1. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com > 2. mailto:molinky at gmail.com > 3. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com > 4. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org > 5. http://www.spkorb.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Once upon a time, I bought another GMC motorhome and started to drive it home on the back two lane roads south of Ocala. I made it 12 miles when the front left tire destroyed itself and the motorcoach veered sharply into the oncoming lane in the path of an orange juice tanker semitruck. Luckily, I had just enough time to manhandle the moho (with an adrenaline shot to be sure) back into my lane except for my driver's mirror assembly which was sheered off by the tanker truck. That was the second time that I have cheated death with a semi truck. Have you ever seen what makes up the front construction of a motorhome (esp a vintage model like thr GMC), fiberglass, stamped metal frame and a giant windshield? It was discovered that the GMC tires were 10 years old, which is common on mohos because most never see high mileage, they sit outdoors and slowly dry rot. That's when I started paying attention to date codes. Michael Shortt On Mar 29, 2014 12:35 AM, "Sean Korb" <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: Probably not an issue for racing and I agree that greasy tires can be a lot of fun and are more forgiving but... Watch those date codes. If your tires are hard because they are old they might be dry rotted. That's pretty dangerous. sean On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Peter Russell <[1][2]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: If by "turned to stone", you mean that the rubber compound got hard, then that's exactly what happened to mine. Which is probably why mine have lasted for so long with tons of tread left. I don't mind exchanging the grip for durability... Even though it's an open track car. I had a championship american iron racer drive my car with the rock hard tires in my intermediate lapping group (level 3 out of 4), and he decimated the field which included stis and Evos on R compounds a viper a Corvette or two. Until I even begin to approach that skill level I'll keep learning on the hard stuff. On Mar 28, 2014 4:20 PM, "Big Al" <[2][3]molinky at gmail.com> wrote: And I have had the exact opposite experience. Chinese truck tires. Turned to stone in about 30K miles. Never again. If it's not made here it stays on the rack. I have had decent luck with off shore motorcycle tires however. Al On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Peter Russell <[3][4]pcrussell50 at gmail.com> wrote: Re the whole deal about cheap tires possibly not lasting... Not always. I have a set of 275/40/17's on my track car that. were the cheapest tire offered in that size by tire rack... Back in 2003... -- Sean Korb [4][5]spkorb at spkorb.org [5][6]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. mailto:[7]pcrussell50 at gmail.com 2. mailto:[8]molinky at gmail.com 3. mailto:[9]pcrussell50 at gmail.com 4. mailto:[10]spkorb at spkorb.org 5. [11]http://www.spkorb.org/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 2. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 3. mailto:molinky at gmail.com 4. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ 7. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 8. mailto:molinky at gmail.com 9. mailto:pcrussell50 at gmail.com 10. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 11. http://www.spkorb.org/ 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 23:02:51 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:02:51 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Demon Engines Message-ID: <067b01cf4bc4$8a336150$9e9a23f0$@comcast.net> Anybody on the forum familiar with Demon Engines out of California? Mike Thomas VP, POCA VP, Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sat Mar 29 23:16:06 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:16:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article Message-ID: I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. Young people just don't care about cars as we did. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-and-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why Chris From cengles at cox.net Sun Mar 30 10:32:43 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:32:43 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Dear Chris, Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. Young people just don't care about cars as we did. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why Chris _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From spkorb at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 10:53:04 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:53:04 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Message-ID: I think the article is a lot of wishful thinking. There are some fair points to be sure but a few things stand out for me that are not mentioned in the article. Millennials don't have any money. http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php While it does look dire, if you compare that to the cost of a new car, you can see that the barrier to entry is that much higher as a percentage of income. Disturbing as well is why would you invest so much money into a disposable item? That is, why would I put up $22k (close to yearly income) for a base model car that is an actual depreciating liability, but taxed as an asset? There is also a declining amount of "fun" you can have informally with a car. We do have formal and safe events and that is a good thing, but speeders are routinely caught, doing doughnuts in your cul-de-sac or in the mall parking lot is no longer a "boys will be boys" (or girls) affair. You're going to jail. Nobody works on cars. Well, we work on cars but the barrier to understanding them is low and we grew up in a culture where you changed your own oil and spark plugs and checked fluids before long trips (and had to sometimes). Now cars are very reliable and the only time you have to interact with your car at this intimate level is when something horrible happens. Overheat your car? The head warps and your car is trashed. Never change your oil? Big deal. The damn thing will last 150K easy and you can unload it on some other poor sot. Even your tires are designed to last 60,000+ miles. You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you never see one save to give your car last rites. For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your hood with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts inside" they are also not inviting. Wow. Rant much? I need to stop oversleeping. sean On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Chris, > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- I think the article is a lot of wishful thinking. There are some fair points to be sure but a few things stand out for me that are not mentioned in the article. Millennials don't have any money. [1]http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes- by-Age-Brackets.php While it does look dire, if you compare that to the cost of a new car, you can see that the barrier to entry is that much higher as a percentage of income. Disturbing as well is why would you invest so much money into a disposable item? That is, why would I put up $22k (close to yearly income) for a base model car that is an actual depreciating liability, but taxed as an asset? There is also a declining amount of "fun" you can have informally with a car. We do have formal and safe events and that is a good thing, but speeders are routinely caught, doing doughnuts in your cul-de-sac or in the mall parking lot is no longer a "boys will be boys" (or girls) affair. You're going to jail. Nobody works on cars. Well, we work on cars but the barrier to understanding them is low and we grew up in a culture where you changed your own oil and spark plugs and checked fluids before long trips (and had to sometimes). Now cars are very reliable and the only time you have to interact with your car at this intimate level is when something horrible happens. Overheat your car? The head warps and your car is trashed. Never change your oil? Big deal. The damn thing will last 150K easy and you can unload it on some other poor sot. Even your tires are designed to last 60,000+ miles. You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you never see one save to give your car last rites. For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your hood with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts inside" they are also not inviting. Wow. Rant much? I need to stop oversleeping. sean On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Engles <[2]cengles at cox.net> wrote: Dear Chris, Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM To: [4]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. Young people just don't care about cars as we did. [5]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-ownin g-cars-a nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why Chris _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at poca.com [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at poca.com [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Sean Korb [10]spkorb at spkorb.org [11]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 5. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-and-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 11. http://www.spkorb.org/ From jjdetrich at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 11:53:17 2014 From: jjdetrich at gmail.com (Jeff Detrich) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:53:17 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Sean Korb wrote: > You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you never see one save to > give your car last rites. > For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood > anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your > hood with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable > parts inside" they are also not inviting. > It's bad for the mechanics, too. My buddies at the local Acura dealership are starving. Cars don't break and when they do, warranty work doesn't pay enough to make a good living. Being a mechanic used to be a good career path for those not interested in college, not so much anymore. The middle class shrinks some more. Jeff 6559 -------------- next part -------------- On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you never see one save to give your car last rites. For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your hood with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts inside" they are also not inviting. It's bad for the mechanics, too. My buddies at the local Acura dealership are starving. Cars don't break and when they do, warranty work doesn't pay enough to make a good living. Being a mechanic used to be a good career path for those not interested in college, not so much anymore. The middle class shrinks some more. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com From asajay at asajay.com Sun Mar 30 11:56:49 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 08:56:49 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Message-ID: <53383EC1.70202@asajay.com> Personally, I can agree with most of the article; however, I also believe it's been the social conditioning these younger people have been bombarded with. Things such as: - city living is better (who needs a car in the city?) - cars are gross polluters, contributing to dirty air - you don't need the same freedoms your parents had - liberty is a state of mind and only exists on facebook Actually, I've read similar articles over the last two years. Unfortunately most of them are focused on inner city kids, not so much the rural demographic where kids still need to get a license early and be able to drive the farm equipment to different fields. The inner city kids prefer the bus, or taxis or to just plain walk. There are virtually no garages to park you car (I knew a girl once in San Francisco who had to park her car up to 10 blocks away from her apartment; if it weren't for the fact she worked 45 miles out of the city, she wouldn't have owned a car. She tried living closer to work but it drove her crazy not being in the thick of the city. City living isn't very conducive to owning a car. Small towns are dying and with them goes the small town local car dealer. Welcome to the age of being a dinosaur. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/30/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Chris, > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6762 - Release Date: 03/28/14 > > From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 12:55:22 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:55:22 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] SCPOCA annualPig Roast Message-ID: The annual Space City Pantera (Houston) Pig Roast is in four weeks - Saturday, April 26. If you are going to be in the neighborhood, or if not - all are welcome. ----Bill Lewis -------------- next part -------------- The annual Space City Pantera (Houston) Pig Roast is in four weeks - Saturday, April 26. If you are going to be in the neighborhood, or if not - all are welcome. ----Bill Lewis From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sun Mar 30 13:15:05 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:15:05 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article Message-ID: I couldn't agree more. Chris Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton Sent: ?3/?30/?2014 8:57 AM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article Personally, I can agree with most of the article; however, I also believe it's been the social conditioning these younger people have been bombarded with. Things such as: - city living is better (who needs a car in the city?) - cars are gross polluters, contributing to dirty air - you don't need the same freedoms your parents had - liberty is a state of mind and only exists on facebook Actually, I've read similar articles over the last two years. Unfortunately most of them are focused on inner city kids, not so much the rural demographic where kids still need to get a license early and be able to drive the farm equipment to different fields. The inner city kids prefer the bus, or taxis or to just plain walk. There are virtually no garages to park you car (I knew a girl once in San Francisco who had to park her car up to 10 blocks away from her apartment; if it weren't for the fact she worked 45 miles out of the city, she wouldn't have owned a car. She tried living closer to work but it drove her crazy not being in the thick of the city. City living isn't very conducive to owning a car. Small towns are dying and with them goes the small town local car dealer. Welcome to the age of being a dinosaur. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/30/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Chris, > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6762 - Release Date: 03/28/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- I couldn't agree more. Chris Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]Asa Jay Laughton Sent: 3/30/2014 8:57 AM To: [2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article Personally, I can agree with most of the article; however, I also believe it's been the social conditioning these younger people have been bombarded with. Things such as: - city living is better (who needs a car in the city?) - cars are gross polluters, contributing to dirty air - you don't need the same freedoms your parents had - liberty is a state of mind and only exists on facebook Actually, I've read similar articles over the last two years. Unfortunately most of them are focused on inner city kids, not so much the rural demographic where kids still need to get a license early and be able to drive the farm equipment to different fields. The inner city kids prefer the bus, or taxis or to just plain walk. There are virtually no garages to park you car (I knew a girl once in San Francisco who had to park her car up to 10 blocks away from her apartment; if it weren't for the fact she worked 45 miles out of the city, she wouldn't have owned a car. She tried living closer to work but it drove her crazy not being in the thick of the city. City living isn't very conducive to owning a car. Small towns are dying and with them goes the small town local car dealer. Welcome to the age of being a dinosaur. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/30/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Chris, > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > [7]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-ownin g-cars-a > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [10]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6762 - Release Date: 03/28/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 5. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 7. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. http://www.avg.com/ 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 30 13:26:15 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:26:15 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Message-ID: Excellent research, good dialog. Keep ranting. Can you imagine in the next 5-10 years, your neighborhood mechanic working on a Google car? Will they know about 3D mapping with a Velodyne 64-beam laser, radar, GPS, and wheel encoders? You can park your car anywhere, and when you need it, tap on your phone and it will come pick you up! Mechanics will need a lot more education to work on future cars. Terry Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Sean Korb > Reply-To: "spkorb at gmail.com" > Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:53 AM To: "detomaso at poca.com" > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article I think the article is a lot of wishful thinking. There are some fair points to be sure but a few things stand out for me that are not mentioned in the article. Millennials don't have any money. http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php While it does look dire, if you compare that to the cost of a new car, you can see that the barrier to entry is that much higher as a percentage of income. Disturbing as well is why would you invest so much money into a disposable item? That is, why would I put up $22k (close to yearly income) for a base model car that is an actual depreciating liability, but taxed as an asset? There is also a declining amount of "fun" you can have informally with a car. We do have formal and safe events and that is a good thing, but speeders are routinely caught, doing doughnuts in your cul-de-sac or in the mall parking lot is no longer a "boys will be boys" (or girls) affair. You're going to jail. Nobody works on cars. Well, we work on cars but the barrier to understanding them is low and we grew up in a culture where you changed your own oil and spark plugs and checked fluids before long trips (and had to sometimes). Now cars are very reliable and the only time you have to interact with your car at this intimate level is when something horrible happens. Overheat your car? The head warps and your car is trashed. Never change your oil? Big deal. The damn thing will last 150K easy and you can unload it on some other poor sot. Even your tires are designed to last 60,000+ miles. You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you never see one save to give your car last rites. For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your hood with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts inside" they are also not inviting. Wow. Rant much? I need to stop oversleeping. sean On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Engles > wrote: Dear Chris, Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. Young people just don't care about cars as we did. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why Chris _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- Excellent research, good dialog. Keep ranting. Can you imagine in the next 5-10 years, your neighborhood mechanic working on a Google car? Will they know about 3D mapping with a Velodyne 64-beam laser, radar, GPS, and wheel encoders? You can park your car anywhere, and when you need it, tap on your phone and it will come pick you up! Mechanics will need a lot more education to work on future cars. Terry Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: Sean Korb <[2]spkorb at gmail.com> Reply-To: "[3]spkorb at gmail.com" <[4]spkorb at gmail.com> Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:53 AM To: "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article I think the article is a lot of wishful thinking. There are some fair points to be sure but a few things stand out for me that are not mentioned in the article. Millennials don't have any money. [7]http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes- by-Age-Brackets.php While it does look dire, if you compare that to the cost of a new car, you can see that the barrier to entry is that much higher as a percentage of income. Disturbing as well is why would you invest so much money into a disposable item? That is, why would I put up $22k (close to yearly income) for a base model car that is an actual depreciating liability, but taxed as an asset? There is also a declining amount of "fun" you can have informally with a car. We do have formal and safe events and that is a good thing, but speeders are routinely caught, doing doughnuts in your cul-de-sac or in the mall parking lot is no longer a "boys will be boys" (or girls) affair. You're going to jail. Nobody works on cars. Well, we work on cars but the barrier to understanding them is low and we grew up in a culture where you changed your own oil and spark plugs and checked fluids before long trips (and had to sometimes). Now cars are very reliable and the only time you have to interact with your car at this intimate level is when something horrible happens. Overheat your car? The head warps and your car is trashed. Never change your oil? Big deal. The damn thing will last 150K easy and you can unload it on some other poor sot. Even your tires are designed to last 60,000+ miles. You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you never see one save to give your car last rites. For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your hood with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts inside" they are also not inviting. Wow. Rant much? I need to stop oversleeping. sean On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Engles <[8]cengles at cox.net> wrote: Dear Chris, Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM To: [10]detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. Young people just don't care about cars as we did. [11]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owni ng-cars-a nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why Chris _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at poca.com [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -- Sean Korb [16]spkorb at spkorb.org [17]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 3. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 4. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php 8. mailto:cengles at cox.net 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 11. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 16. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 17. http://www.spkorb.org/ From mazdastuff at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 13:47:10 2014 From: mazdastuff at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:47:10 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: <53383EC1.70202@asajay.com> References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> <53383EC1.70202@asajay.com> Message-ID: Some small towns are dying but not all. I recently went back to work for a small town Ford dealership...it's getting ready for a million dollar renovation and they just signed up for a dodge franchise. It ain't over till it's over folks Brian Sent from The Republic of Texas On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: Personally, I can agree with most of the article; however, I also believe it's been the social conditioning these younger people have been bombarded with. Things such as: - city living is better (who needs a car in the city?) - cars are gross polluters, contributing to dirty air - you don't need the same freedoms your parents had - liberty is a state of mind and only exists on facebook Actually, I've read similar articles over the last two years. Unfortunately most of them are focused on inner city kids, not so much the rural demographic where kids still need to get a license early and be able to drive the farm equipment to different fields. The inner city kids prefer the bus, or taxis or to just plain walk. There are virtually no garages to park you car (I knew a girl once in San Francisco who had to park her car up to 10 blocks away from her apartment; if it weren't for the fact she worked 45 miles out of the city, she wouldn't have owned a car. She tried living closer to work but it drove her crazy not being in the thick of the city. City living isn't very conducive to owning a car. Small towns are dying and with them goes the small town local car dealer. Welcome to the age of being a dinosaur. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/30/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Chris, > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > To: detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6762 - Release Date: 03/28/14 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MyCars at Comcast.net Sun Mar 30 13:48:51 2014 From: MyCars at Comcast.net (MyCars) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:48:51 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Message-ID: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0967.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 174031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Mar 30 13:53:46 2014 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:53:46 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm In-Reply-To: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> References: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> Message-ID: Welcome to the land of sunshine and avocado's! I live in Del Mar (North County Sandy Eggo). I love it here. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: MyCars > Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:48 AM To: deTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 -------------- next part -------------- Welcome to the land of sunshine and avocado's! I live in Del Mar (North County Sandy Eggo). I love it here. Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov From: MyCars <[2]MyCars at Comcast.net> Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:48 AM To: deTomaso List <[3]detomaso at poca.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:MyCars at Comcast.net 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com From knottsj at galstar.com Sun Mar 30 14:00:30 2014 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:00:30 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53385BBE.8080409@galstar.com> Lowered expectations continue to take their toll on society. jerry On 3/30/2014 12:15 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: > I couldn't agree more. > Chris > Sent from my Windows Phone > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Asa Jay Laughton > Sent: 3/30/2014 8:57 AM > To: [2]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > Personally, I can agree with most of the article; however, I also > believe it's been the social conditioning these younger people have > been > bombarded with. Things such as: > - city living is better (who needs a car in the city?) > - cars are gross polluters, contributing to dirty air > - you don't need the same freedoms your parents had > - liberty is a state of mind and only exists on facebook > Actually, I've read similar articles over the last two years. > Unfortunately most of them are focused on inner city kids, not so much > the rural demographic where kids still need to get a license early and > be able to drive the farm equipment to different fields. The inner > city > kids prefer the bus, or taxis or to just plain walk. > There are virtually no garages to park you car (I knew a girl once in > San Francisco who had to park her car up to 10 blocks away from her > apartment; if it weren't for the fact she worked 45 miles out of the > city, she wouldn't have owned a car. She tried living closer to work > but it drove her crazy not being in the thick of the city. City living > isn't very conducive to owning a car. > Small towns are dying and with them goes the small town local car > dealer. > Welcome to the age of being a dinosaur. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com > [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > On 3/30/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young > People > > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the > car > > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > Christopher > > Kimball > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > > To: detomaso at poca.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it > well. > > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > > > > > [7]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-ownin > g-cars-a > > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at poca.com > > [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - [10]www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6762 - Release Date: > 03/28/14 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > References > > 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com > 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com > 3. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ > 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 5. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism > 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com > 7. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a > 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > 10. http://www.avg.com/ > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Lowered expectations continue to take their toll on society. jerry On 3/30/2014 12:15 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote: I couldn't agree more. Chris Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]Asa Jay Laughton Sent: 3/30/2014 8:57 AM To: [[1]2]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article Personally, I can agree with most of the article; however, I also believe it's been the social conditioning these younger people have been bombarded with. Things such as: - city living is better (who needs a car in the city?) - cars are gross polluters, contributing to dirty air - you don't need the same freedoms your parents had - liberty is a state of mind and only exists on facebook Actually, I've read similar articles over the last two years. Unfortunately most of them are focused on inner city kids, not so much the rural demographic where kids still need to get a license early and be able to drive the farm equipment to different fields. The inner city kids prefer the bus, or taxis or to just plain walk. There are virtually no garages to park you car (I knew a girl once in San Francisco who had to park her car up to 10 blocks away from her apartment; if it weren't for the fact she worked 45 miles out of the city, she wouldn't have owned a car. She tried living closer to work but it drove her crazy not being in the thick of the city. City living isn't very conducive to owning a car. Small towns are dying and with them goes the small town local car dealer. Welcome to the age of being a dinosaur. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [3][2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com [4][3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com [5][4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism On 3/30/2014 7:32 AM, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Chris, > > > Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People > and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6][5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher > Kimball > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM > To: [6]detomaso at poca.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well. > Young people just don't care about cars as we did. > > > [7][7]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-ownin g-cars-a > nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at poca.com > [8][9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at poca.com > [9][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [10]www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3722/6762 - Release Date: 03/28/14 > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso at poca.com [11][13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. [14]mailto:asajay at asajay.com 2. [15]mailto:detomaso at poca.com 3. [16]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 4. [17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 5. [18]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 6. [19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 7. [20]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning- cars-a 8. [21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 9. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. [23]http://www.avg.com/ 11. [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [25]DeTomaso at poca.com [26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:2]detomaso at poca.com 2. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 4. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 7. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-ownin 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 14. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 16. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ 17. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 18. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 19. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 20. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a 21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 23. http://www.avg.com/ 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From charlesmccall at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 14:18:17 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 20:18:17 +0200 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm In-Reply-To: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> References: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <04fe01cf4c44$6d14a3b0$473deb10$@gmail.com> Congrats! Good luck with the avocados! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of MyCars Sent: domingo, 30 de marzo de 2014 19:49 To: deTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 From bflesland at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 14:27:24 2014 From: bflesland at gmail.com (bflesland at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:27:24 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Message-ID: <66FAD54C-5DA8-4001-BF39-E62211922D43@gmail.com> What do you mean by saying: It is a problem for the car makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. Cheers Bjoern > Den 30. mars 2014 kl. 15:32 skrev "Charles Engles" : > > It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. From doug351c at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 15:38:53 2014 From: doug351c at gmail.com (doug351c) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:38:53 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm In-Reply-To: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> Message-ID: Dang Roydon - we're gonna miss ya. You'll be losing your Seattle rain webbed feet and acquire a green avocado facial hue. At least you should be able to drive the beast far more often. Best of luck! Doug Braun blue 73L #5505 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of MyCars Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:49 AM To: deTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 From chrisvkimball at msn.com Sun Mar 30 14:49:37 2014 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:49:37 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Message-ID: We'll miss you! Best wishes and good luck! See you at the fun rally. Sincerely, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: MyCars Sent: ?3/?30/?2014 10:50 AM To: deTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 -------------- next part -------------- We'll miss you! Best wishes and good luck! See you at the fun rally. Sincerely, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]MyCars Sent: 3/30/2014 10:50 AM To: [2]deTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 References 1. mailto:MyCars at Comcast.net 2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From cengles at cox.net Sun Mar 30 15:13:18 2014 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:13:18 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> Message-ID: <004e01cf4c4c$1c58a270$5509e750$@net> Dear Bjoern, It is a typo. It should read: "It is a problem for the car makers *and* it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA." My apologies for the confusion, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of bflesland at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:27 PM To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article What do you mean by saying: It is a problem for the car makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. Cheers Bjoern > Den 30. mars 2014 kl. 15:32 skrev "Charles Engles" : > > It is a problem for the car > makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 19:13:14 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 23:13:14 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm In-Reply-To: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> References: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> Message-ID: And, I hope your new friends tell you about the necessary driving tool (and buy you several) in SoCal!!! ---BILL Lewis Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:48:51 -0700 From: MyCars at Comcast.net To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- And, I hope your new friends tell you about the necessary driving tool (and buy you several) in SoCal!!! ---BILL Lewis Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:48:51 -0700 From: MyCars at Comcast.net To: detomaso at poca.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From will.kooiman at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 22:44:08 2014 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:44:08 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: <004e01cf4c4c$1c58a270$5509e750$@net> References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net> <004e01cf4c4c$1c58a270$5509e750$@net> Message-ID: I want to a birthday party last night (not mine). These guys were in their early 30's. There was a new Challenger and a new Camaro there, and the owners loved their cars. They were talking about other cars too. I don't remember details except that they had 4-bangers with nitrous. There are a lot of car shows down here (Ft. Lauderdale / Miami). There are as many young guys as there are old. My point is that as far as I can tell, the interest is still there. Cars aren't as cool as they once were, but the fault isn't the lack of interest. I don't have an answer, though. Maybe it's a lack of relevance. When Billy Joe Jim Bob wins a NASCAR race, is he driving a Ford? A Chevy? If a Toyota wins, do you want to head out to your Toyota dealer and buy a Prius? What about F1? Cool to watch, but did they really win in a Ferrari or an Audi? Or maybe it's because all the safety gadgets remove the soul of the car. There was a 1961 Starliner at the last cruise night. That's a pretty car, but impossible to build with today's regulations. You can't even get close. A car that like that needs lots of chrome. When the 5.0 Mustangs took off, it was fueled by low prices, great performance, drag racing, and hot rodding. I personally think the article is wrong. Young people still like their cars, but auto makers do not know how to reach them. On 3/30/14 3:13 PM, "Charles Engles" wrote: >Dear Bjoern, > > > It is a typo. It should read: "It is a problem for the >car makers *and* it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA." > > > My apologies for the confusion, Chuck Engles > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of >bflesland at gmail.com >Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:27 PM >To: detomaso at poca.com >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > >What do you mean by saying: >It is a problem for the car >makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. >Cheers Bjoern > >> Den 30. mars 2014 kl. 15:32 skrev "Charles Engles" : >> >> It is a problem for the car >> makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > >_______________________________________________ > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at poca.com >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From kirby.schrader at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 07:59:08 2014 From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com (Kirby Schrader) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:59:08 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Some wheels for sale In-Reply-To: <451469A6-B085-4E02-9C29-3E1639A1B273@gmail.com> References: <451469A6-B085-4E02-9C29-3E1639A1B273@gmail.com> Message-ID: The wheels are sold. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote: > > Since I can't run them in vintage, I have the wheels and tires that were > on the racecar available. > They are Gottis. The fronts are 16", the rears are 17". > > The fronts are 8" wide and the rears 10". > They fit a stock bodied car, no problem. > > There are Hoosier slicks on them currently, but they be very old and very > hard. > I?ll have them taken off. > > If you go here: http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ > and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. > Or maybe my copy and paste will work below > > Let the bidding begin. Make an offer. > > Kirby > > [image: img_1917] > -------------- next part -------------- The wheels are sold. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Kirby Schrader <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote: Since I can't run them in vintage, I have the wheels and tires that were on the racecar available. They are Gottis. The fronts are 16", the rears are 17". The fronts are 8" wide and the rears 10". They fit a stock bodied car, no problem. There are Hoosier slicks on them currently, but they be very old and very hard. Iall have them taken off. If you go here:A [2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ and scroll down to the 19th picture, you'll see the wheels on the car. Or maybe my copy and paste will work below Let the bidding begin. Make an offer. Kirby img_1917 References 1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com 2. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Members/ From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 10:15:18 2014 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:15:18 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article In-Reply-To: References: <000301cf4c24$e9c1a770$bd44f650$@net>, <004e01cf4c4c$1c58a270$5509e750$@net>, Message-ID: It just made me think - they are selling, and I see LOTS of the new Mustangs, Camaros, Dodge (whatever they are) on the roads. So, if they aren't bought/driven by gray-headed old dudes, or girls, then it must be the younger men!!! So, I'll amend my statement and say that if they have "car interest" now, they will have car interest in 20-30 years; and I think that will include ALL cars. Different guys may like different "old" cars, but they will all still love "old cars!" E.g., I was born in 1941, but love most all the cars of the 30's, and lots of the older ones. I'm not sure about the '50 models Plymouths! ----BILL Lewis > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:44:08 -0400 > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com > To: cengles at cox.net; bflesland at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > I want to a birthday party last night (not mine). > > These guys were in their early 30's. > > There was a new Challenger and a new Camaro there, and the owners loved > their cars. They were talking about other cars too. I don't remember > details except that they had 4-bangers with nitrous. > > There are a lot of car shows down here (Ft. Lauderdale / Miami). There > are as many young guys as there are old. > > My point is that as far as I can tell, the interest is still there. Cars > aren't as cool as they once were, but the fault isn't the lack of interest. > > I don't have an answer, though. Maybe it's a lack of relevance. When > Billy Joe Jim Bob wins a NASCAR race, is he driving a Ford? A Chevy? If > a Toyota wins, do you want to head out to your Toyota dealer and buy a > Prius? What about F1? Cool to watch, but did they really win in a > Ferrari or an Audi? > > Or maybe it's because all the safety gadgets remove the soul of the car. > There was a 1961 Starliner at the last cruise night. That's a pretty car, > but impossible to build with today's regulations. You can't even get > close. A car that like that needs lots of chrome. > > When the 5.0 Mustangs took off, it was fueled by low prices, great > performance, drag racing, and hot rodding. > > I personally think the article is wrong. Young people still like their > cars, but auto makers do not know how to reach them. > > > > On 3/30/14 3:13 PM, "Charles Engles" wrote: > > >Dear Bjoern, > > > > > > It is a typo. It should read: "It is a problem for the > >car makers *and* it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA." > > > > > > My apologies for the confusion, Chuck Engles > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > >bflesland at gmail.com > >Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:27 PM > >To: detomaso at poca.com > >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > >What do you mean by saying: > >It is a problem for the car > >makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > >Cheers Bjoern > > > >> Den 30. mars 2014 kl. 15:32 skrev "Charles Engles" : > >> > >> It is a problem for the car > >> makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >DeTomaso at poca.com > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >DeTomaso at poca.com > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- It just made me think - they are selling, and I see LOTS of the new Mustangs, Camaros, Dodge (whatever they are) on the roads. So, if they aren't bought/driven by gray-headed old dudes, or girls, then it must be the younger men!!! So, I'll amend my statement and say that if they have "car interest" now, they will have car interest in 20-30 years; and I think that will include ALL cars. Different guys may like different "old" cars, but they will all still love "old cars!" E.g., I was born in 1941, but love most all the cars of the 30's, and lots of the older ones. I'm not sure about the '50 models Plymouths! ----BILL Lewis > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:44:08 -0400 > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com > To: cengles at cox.net; bflesland at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > I want to a birthday party last night (not mine). > > These guys were in their early 30's. > > There was a new Challenger and a new Camaro there, and the owners loved > their cars. They were talking about other cars too. I don't remember > details except that they had 4-bangers with nitrous. > > There are a lot of car shows down here (Ft. Lauderdale / Miami). There > are as many young guys as there are old. > > My point is that as far as I can tell, the interest is still there. Cars > aren't as cool as they once were, but the fault isn't the lack of interest. > > I don't have an answer, though. Maybe it's a lack of relevance. When > Billy Joe Jim Bob wins a NASCAR race, is he driving a Ford? A Chevy? If > a Toyota wins, do you want to head out to your Toyota dealer and buy a > Prius? What about F1? Cool to watch, but did they really win in a > Ferrari or an Audi? > > Or maybe it's because all the safety gadgets remove the soul of the car. > There was a 1961 Starliner at the last cruise night. That's a pretty car, > but impossible to build with today's regulations. You can't even get > close. A car that like that needs lots of chrome. > > When the 5.0 Mustangs took off, it was fueled by low prices, great > performance, drag racing, and hot rodding. > > I personally think the article is wrong. Young people still like their > cars, but auto makers do not know how to reach them. > > > > On 3/30/14 3:13 PM, "Charles Engles" wrote: > > >Dear Bjoern, > > > > > > It is a typo. It should read: "It is a problem for the > >car makers *and* it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA." > > > > > > My apologies for the confusion, Chuck Engles > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of > >bflesland at gmail.com > >Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:27 PM > >To: detomaso at poca.com > >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article > > > >What do you mean by saying: > >It is a problem for the car > >makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > >Cheers Bjoern > > > >> Den 30. mars 2014 kl. 15:32 skrev "Charles Engles" : > >> > >> It is a problem for the car > >> makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >DeTomaso at poca.com > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > >DeTomaso mailing list > >DeTomaso at poca.com > >http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From jgkrenton at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 11:42:44 2014 From: jgkrenton at comcast.net (jgkrenton at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm In-Reply-To: <53385903.3060603@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <688292293.864338.1396280564809.JavaMail.root@sz0159a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Roydon: Keep in touch!? Let us know your new address so we can come bug you.? Now that I've retired, I might have time! Take care. Jeff Kimball/3467 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MyCars" To: "deTomaso List" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:48:51 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com -------------- next part -------------- Roydon: Keep in touch! Let us know your new address so we can come bug you. Now that I've retired, I might have time! Take care. Jeff Kimball/3467 __________________________________________________________________ From: "MyCars" To: "deTomaso List" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:48:51 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Bought The Farm Yes friends, I truly have bought the farm! Sixteen acres with 1600 Avocado trees. So I will be leaving Boeing and the Seattle area, buying an enclosed (40 foot?) car hauler and trailoring the Pantera down to San Diego County around the end of April. Anyone along the 5 freeway between Seattle & L.A. that wants to meet up for coffee, look at each others cars, etc, let me know. It is time to say goodbye to all my friends in Panteras NorthWest, make new friends with the Pantera crew in San Diego & hopefully meet up with some of my old friends from TPOC. And here is a pic (hopefully the attachment works) of the shrinking push button Pantera, it is not much taller then the tires on my truck! Roydon #1295 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at poca.com http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From charlesmccall at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 13:48:47 2014 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:48:47 +0200 Subject: [DeTomaso] LPC (limited Pantera Content) - washing materials Message-ID: <009401cf4d09$789b93e0$69d2bba0$@gmail.com> Snagged from Facebook from a friend of mine, but reposted because it is sooooo true -------------- next part -------------- Snagged from Facebook from a friend of mine, but reposted because it is sooooo true -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: washing.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61240 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Mar 31 14:52:00 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - miniature V-12 - video Message-ID: <8D11B296ECC68DD-1180-DEC1@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> If you have about ten minutes to spend, and want to be amazed at the skills of some of those who walk amongst us mere humans, click this link: http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ Larry -------------- next part -------------- If you have about ten minutes to spend, and want to be amazed at the skills of some of those who walk amongst us mere humans, click this link: [1]http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ Larry References 1. http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Mar 31 14:53:24 2014 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] LPC (limited Pantera Content) - washing materials Message-ID: <8D11B29A10BEF5D-1180-DEE5@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> LOL Soooo true. :-) -------------- next part -------------- LOL Soooo true. :-) From thedrol at pobox.com Mon Mar 31 15:18:26 2014 From: thedrol at pobox.com (Paul Timko) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:18:26 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - miniature V-12 - video In-Reply-To: <8D11B296ECC68DD-1180-DEC1@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D11B296ECC68DD-1180-DEC1@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5339BF82.9000809@pobox.com> I've seen this video before and I have a couple of questions. The camshafts are spinning a crank frequency, not half. Does this make it a 2-stroke? No method for spark, so is it a diesel? When I first saw this, I figured it was running off of compressed air, not combustion. But now I'm not sure as it looks like there is a mesh on the top portion of the intake manifold. Way cool. Paul #9270 On 3/31/2014 1:52 PM, Larry Finch wrote: > If you have about ten minutes to spend, and want to be amazed at the > skills of some of those who walk amongst us mere humans, click this > link: > [1]http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ > > > Larry > > References > > 1. http://m.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > From edducati at mac.com Mon Mar 31 16:37:47 2014 From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:37:47 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Cara and Coffee April 12th update Message-ID: We are still all going and will meet at the Park and Ride Oceanside on the morning of the 12th at 5am will leave for Irvine at 5.15am sharp. Park and ride is located Hwy 78 and I-5 Northwest corner. It was too late to reserve the front row but we still are all going and will be great fun. Thanks Ed Sent from my iPhone 5 From rob at dumoulins.net Mon Mar 31 18:48:16 2014 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob Dumoulin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:48:16 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion Message-ID: One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features -------------- next part -------------- One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not. [1]http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-vol vo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features References 1. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features From michael at michaelshortt.com Mon Mar 31 19:01:52 2014 From: michael at michaelshortt.com (michael at michaelshortt.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:01:52 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NOV: Mustang Volvo Fusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ford actually made one for the auto shows, so did Pontiac with a Trans Am. I'd drive it ( Magnum owner ) , always a fan of shooting brakes, Volvo 1800es and the Jag hearse in Harold & Maude. Michael On Mar 31, 2014 6:49 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" wrote: > One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not. > > [1]http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-vol > vo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features > > References > > 1. > http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at poca.com > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com > > -------------- next part -------------- Ford actually made one for the auto shows, so did Pontiac with a Trans Am. I'd drive it ( Magnum owner ) , always a fan of shooting brakes, Volvo 1800es and the Jag hearse in Harold & Maude. Michael On Mar 31, 2014 6:49 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <[1]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: One might wonder why Ford did not think of this.........Not. [1][2]http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-mee ts-vol vo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features References 1. [3]http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets- volvo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at poca.com [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-vol 3. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/31/166-ford-mustang-meets-volvo-wagon-marriage-convenience/?intcmp=features 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 31 20:07:12 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (1 of 2) Message-ID: Hi guys, You may recall that the folks behind the Concorso Italiano ecided to stage an all-new event in Palm Springs, which would follow a similar model but be oriented towards all nations, rather than only Italian cars. Feeling the need for a road trip, Lori and I jumped in her humble minivan and headed south through a driving rainstorm. We had hoped to link up with John Taphorn and Rob Pink; they were about an hour and a half behind us, towing Rob's new race car, but even though we texted back and forth we never did manage to link up. We pulled into Palm Springs late Saturday night, and slept in a bit Sunday morning, so we missed the mondo windstorm that blew dirt and dust all over everything, including all the cars in the show. Long story short, there were perhaps 100-150 cars in the show, including four Panteras, belonging to John Buckman, Steve Wilson, Bruce Mallory and Randy Kershaw. Here are a few photos; more to follow in #2 of 2....first shows some spectacular cars (Maserati 450S and MC12), second is Lori with Kathy and John Buckman in front of Randy Wolfgram's car, third shows Randy, Steve and John Panteras.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- Hi guys, You may recall that the folks behind the Concorso Italiano ecided to stage an all-new event in Palm Springs, which would follow a similar model but be oriented towards all nations, rather than only Italian cars. Feeling the need for a road trip, Lori and I jumped in her humble minivan and headed south through a driving rainstorm. We had hoped to link up with John Taphorn and Rob Pink; they were about an hour and a half behind us, towing Rob's new race car, but even though we texted back and forth we never did manage to link up. We pulled into Palm Springs late Saturday night, and slept in a bit Sunday morning, so we missed the mondo windstorm that blew dirt and dust all over everything, including all the cars in the show. Long story short, there were perhaps 100-150 cars in the show, including four Panteras, belonging to John Buckman, Steve Wilson, Bruce Mallory and Randy Kershaw. Here are a few photos; more to follow in #2 of 2....first shows some spectacular cars (Maserati 450S and MC12), second is Lori with Kathy and John Buckman in front of Randy Wolfgram's car, third shows Randy, Steve and John Panteras.... Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1233.jpg+.zip Type: application/zip Size: 310153 bytes Desc: not available URL: From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Mar 31 20:08:05 2014 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (MikeLDrew at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2) Message-ID: Guys, Three more photos Bruce Mallory's car Steve Wilson's Pantera (3266, currently for sale, you can find out more at his website) https://sites.google.com/site/1972detomasopantera/home And finally, a new Pagani Huayra... Overall, it was a really nice first effort. I hope they can grow it to be something even greater in the future! Mike -------------- next part -------------- Guys, Three more photos Bruce Mallory's car Steve Wilson's Pantera (3266, currently for sale, you can find out more at his website) https://sites.google.com/site/1972detomasopantera/home And finally, a new Pagani Huayra... Overall, it was a really nice first effort. I hope they can grow it to be something even greater in the future! Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3364.jpg+.zip Type: application/zip Size: 309849 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mbefthomas at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 21:51:41 2014 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike Thomas) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:51:41 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <077601cf4d4c$eded0320$c9c70960$@comcast.net> The Panteras look great, but that Pagani is something else. I love the mirrors shaped to look like a woman's eyes. Pure Italian. Any idea who it belonged to? I figure Jay Leno must have one by now. Saw his video with Hiracio Pagani. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 5:08 PM To: detomaso at POCA.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Desert Concorso (2 of 2) Guys, Three more photos Bruce Mallory's car Steve Wilson's Pantera (3266, currently for sale, you can find out more at his website) https://sites.google.com/site/1972detomasopantera/home And finally, a new Pagani Huayra... Overall, it was a really nice first effort. I hope they can grow it to be something even greater in the future! Mike From spkorb at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 21:57:32 2014 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:57:32 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Italian cars Message-ID: I wanted to feel a bit Italian tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdUzf50-pFU -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso -------------- next part -------------- I wanted to feel a bit Italian tonight [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdUzf50-pFU -- Sean Korb [2]spkorb at spkorb.org [3]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdUzf50-pFU 2. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 3. http://www.spkorb.org/ From asajay at asajay.com Mon Mar 31 23:26:26 2014 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:26:26 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [TPR] Fw: NORC 44 Days Away! Have You Registered? Message-ID: <533A31E2.5090909@asajay.com> >From Mad Dawg: Guys, Do we have anyone planning to attend in May. JB and I are both buried in work and may be able to fly up IF we have any of our guys are gonna run. AJ - Would you share with the List if you haven't already. dawg On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:17 AM, Silver State Classic Challenge wrote: Nevada Open RoadChallenge Event Date: May 15-18, 2014 We are now 44 Days BEFORE THE EVENT! I just looked at the calendar and realized that even though August has just started we are about SIX WEEKS AWAY from the start of race weekend! HAVE YOU REGISTERED? Go to the homepage of our website for easy registration or contact me to get a packet either emailed or mailed to you.Please make my life easier and register as soon as possible! Entry forms: http://www.sscc.us/entry_forms.aspx RULE BOOK: The 2014 Rule Book is posted on our websitehttp:http://sscc.us/documents/global/pdf/2014_rulebook.pdf It is your responsibility to read and understand the rules! Please READ THE RULES *DEADLINES:* *Pre-printed Car Number Decals ? April 17, 2014 -*Your entry must be received and paid in full, by this date in order to have your Car Number Decals pre-printed. *Sam?s Town Hotel, Las Vegas ? April 29, 2014 -* To receive the special rate of $29.00 plus 12% tax, be sure to make your room reservations! Call (877) 593-5993 Call in Code: *NVOE14C* ENTER EARLY & SAVE MONEY! *Late entries, and Entries not paid in full,* within two weeks prior to the event will add $50.00. This includes last minute entries on race weekend. ?/Event?/ /is/ defined as the day all functions/activities begin which is the Thursday of race weekend. For NORC: Entries must be received by May 1, 2014 *SCHEDULE CHANGES - Half Mile and One Mile Shootouts:* BOTH the Half Mile & One Mile Shootouts will take place on Fridays (10am-3pm). If by chance they are rained out on Friday, BOTH the Half Mile & One Mile Shootouts will be conducted on Saturday (11am-4pm). *REGISTRATION:* 8am-9:15am for Shootout Participants ONLY. *TECH INSPECTION:* 8am-9:30am for Shootout Participants ONLY. Please plan accordingly! If you are in line for either Registration or Tech Inspection, make sure those ahead of you are for the Shootouts, otherwise move ahead of them. SATURDAY CAR SHOW: With the change in the Shootout schedule, please everyone plan on attending the Car Show. The Course Workers and Locals really enjoy seeing your cars up close and also meeting the drivers. *It is your way to say ?Thank You? to the city and the many volunteers! * ROOKIES: We have a "Rookie" tab on the website located under Race Preparation. Just some "Fast Facts" to make your first time participation a little less stressful. We tried to address some of the common questions or mistakes to avoid.http://www.sscc.us/rookies.aspx CONFIRMATIONS: I have been trying to get caught up on entries so if you have already registered prior to today, I will be sending you confirmations in the next few weeks. Veteran racers will be receiving theirs via email and Rookies will be getting theirs in the mail that will include a pre-race DVD. COURSE WORKERS: As there are no spectator areas on the "Silver State Classic Challenge Highway", aka Hwy. 318, we are always in need of course workers! If your family, friends or crew would like to watch as you race down the road at speed, please have them sign up to be Course Workers! As a course worker they will receive (per gate) a hat, 2 t-shirts, 2 bottles of water and be entered in a drawing for a chance to win $100.00! (Ten gates are pulled). Also, once equipment is returned and verified, they will receive a check from the SSCC for $50.00. Sign up on-line http://sscc.us/course_workers_signup.aspx or Contact Charlie Kunz sscc.courseworker at gmail.com or (702) 334-1196 -- /Gail Waldman/ /Chief Operating Officer/ /Office 702-631-6166/ /Fax 702-436-1589/ /Email sscc.us at gmail.com / /Website www.sscc.us / -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 328.png Type: image/png Size: 569 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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