[DeTomaso] Number of 'P' cars built in 1972

michael at michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com
Sat Jun 28 10:16:01 EDT 2014


I am now also going to start a list  of all relevant Period ( 1971 - 1975 )
Race Results so if you have documentation or a link to American or Eurpoean
races, please forward.
I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them,
please share.

Thanks

Michael Shortt

53 cars so far.   ( Just added the 14 "Factory Racecars" )
> >
> >  Want to know more?
> >
> >  I use Marti Reports...
please send yours.
> >
> > 11/18/13 Note: A valid point has been
> >  raised about build date versus release
> > date, Thus the build date for each car
> > will be listed next to it's serial number,
> >
> > followed by the release date which is
> > more likely when it was finished and
> >
> > ready for shipping.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 38 US Cars and 14 Euro Car so far,
> > > > >
> > Please send your info if you have it.

FACTORY RACE CARS

(All were Red/Black)

2263  12/71  GT 4 Euro

2342    3/72  GT 4 USA (2824)

2343    3/72  GT 4 Euro

2344    3/72  GT 4 Euro

2824    3/72  GT 4 Euro (2342)

2823    4/72  GT 4 Euro

2860    4/72  GR 4 Euro

2858    4/72  GR 4 Euro

2859    5/72  GR 4 Euro

2861    5/72  GR 4 Euro

2862    5/72  GR 4 Euro

2872    6/72  GR 4 Euro

2873   12/72  GR 4 Euro

2874   12/72  GR 4 Euro

> >  US Cars
> > > > >
> >  TOTAL  5,244
> > > > >
> >  Imported to the US Market
> > > > >
> > 25.57% of which were Yellow
> >
> > The second most popular
> >  color appears to be White.
> >
> > Less than 3% were GTS Models
> >
> > 14% were 71's
> > 40% were 72's
> > 24% were 73's
> > 21% were 74's
> > > > >
> > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a
> > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .57%
> > of US Import Models at 30 total units.
> > >
> > The most popular Pantera is a
> > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at
> > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 1971
> > > > >
> > 743  ALL Standard
> > > > >
> >
> >  Cars Included
> >
> > 1464    5/71     2/72
> > 1490    5/71   12/71
> > 1660    6/71     3/72
> > 1661    6/71     4/72
       2042   7/71     4/72
> > > >
> >
> > 120 made in May
> > 208 made in June
      263 made in July
> > 101 made in Oct
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >  224 Yellow      30%
> >    87 Lime         12%
> > > > >
> > 1972
> > > > >
> >
> >  2,131 ALL Standard
> > > > >
> >
> >  Cars included
> > > > >
> > 2071    9/71     5/72
> > 2207  10/71     6/72
> > 2467    1/72     6/72
> > 2586    1/72   12/72
> > 2761    2/72   10/72
> > 3310    4/72     8/72
> > 3400.   5/72     8/72
> > 3482    4/72     9/72
> > 3676    6/72     2/72
> > 3960    7/72     3/73
> > 4234    7/72     2/73
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > 307 made in January
> > 238 made in February
> > 308 made in April
> > 171 made in May
> > 227 made in June
> > 445 made in July
> > 83 made in September
> > > >
> > > > >
> > 558 Yellow    26%
> > 517 White      24%
> >  436 Red        20%
> >  244 Blue       11%
> >  94 Lime.         4%
> > 107 Silver        4%
> >   57 Green       2%
> > > > >
> > 1973
> > > > >
> > Includes some 72 Models designated as
> > 72 1/2*  #4269 -#4839
> > > > >
> > 1,258 ALL Standard
> > > > >
> > Cars Included
> > > > >
> > 4443*    9/72    5/73
>    4520*     9/72   10/73
> > 4566*   10/72   7/73
> > 4665*   10/72    6/73
> >
> > 4860    10/72    5/73
> > 5048    12/72    8/73
> > 5445     3/73     9/73
> > 5491     4/73   12/73
> > 5906     7/73     5/74
> > 5926     7/73     7/73
> > > > >
> >  68 in March
> >  83 in April
> > 185 in July
> > 187 in October
> > 163 in September
> > 113 in December
> > > > >
> >  334 Yellow       26%
> >  277 White.        22%
> >  203 Orange      16%
> > 178 Red             14%
> >   90 Green            7%
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >  1974
> > > > >
> > 1,112 Produced
> > > > >
> >  962 Standard
> > 150 GTS Models
> > > > >
> >  6143    8/73     2/75
> >  6328    9/73     9/74
> >  6480   10/73    8/74

       6583     10/73   8/74 EURO GTS/SLV/BLK Sultan of Brunei (Rusting
away)

> >  6590   10/73    8/74

> >  6928   12/73  11/74
> >  7080    1/74   11/74
> >  7207    2/74     9/74
> >  7217    3/74     1/75
> >  7269    3/74   12/74
> >  7314    6/74     1/75
> >  7366    6/74     1/75
> >
> > > > >
> > 142 in Jan
> > 39 in Feb
> >
> > 61 in Mar
> > 69 in June
> > 65 in Aug
> > 113 in Sept
> > 224 in Oct
> > 128 in Dec
> >
> > > > >
> > 225 Yellow              20%
> > 191 White               17%
> > 188 Orange            17%
> > 151 Red                  13%
> >
> > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS       40%
> > 60 Burg/Blk GTS     40%
> > 30 YGold/Blk GTS   20%
>
>

> > > > >
> > > > > Euro Cars
> > > > >
> > > > > 1971
> > > > > 549 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 1972
> > > > > 416 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 1973
> > > > >
> > > > >  ? Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 5186 GTS
> > > > >
> > > > > May
> > > > >
> > > > > Blk/Silver
> > > > >
> > > > > 1974
> > > > > 369 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The following information was
> > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell
> > > > > who credits George Pence.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with
> > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera
> > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been
> > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971,
> > > > > because they manufactured automobiles
> > > > > based on the fiscal year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The curious part of that difference ...
> > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971
> > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln
> > > > > showroom until February or March of
> > > > > 1972.
> > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models
> > > > > since September 1971.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned
> > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the
> > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short,
> > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began
> > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973,
> > > > > just like Ford.
> > > > >
> > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models,
> > > > > a few were actually built before
> > > > > January, in 1970)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382
> > > > > January 1971 - April 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Pre-L
> > > > > (The beginning of the assembly
> > > > > line models)
> > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292
> > > > > April 1971 - December 1971
> > > > >
> > > > >  Total 1292 cars in 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Pre-L
> > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268
> > > > > January 1972 - August 1972
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L
> > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models
> > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839
> > > > > August 1972 - December 1972
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L (this is the short
> > > > > 6 month model year)
> > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899
> > > > > January 1973 - June 1973
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's
> > > > > production year, then extended.
> > > > > Should have ended June 1974)
> > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380
> > > > > July 1973 - August 1974
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!)
> > > > >
> > > > > The total number of Panteras based
> > > > >  on the above data is 6380 from 71-74
> > > > >
> > > > > 5,244 US Models
> > > > > 1,136 Euro Models
> > > > >
> > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136
> > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334
> > > > > not counting all of 73.
> > > > >
> > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE.
> > > > >  More to come.
On Jun 28, 2014 10:11 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <
michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:

> Only from deduction if you read between the marti reports serial # that
> have been supplied to me. Ill send what I have.
>
> Michael
> On Jun 28, 2014 10:02 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>    Michael, can you break this down further - what were the actual VIN
>>    numbers for each month.  For instance, my 4296 is MD (November, 1972);
>>    what were the other VINs built in that month?   --BILL Lewis
>>    Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:26:31 -0400
>>    From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>    To: knottsj at galstar.com
>>    CC: detomaso at poca.com
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Number of 'P' cars built in 1972
>> > > 307 made in January
>> > > 238 made in February
>> > > 308 made in April
>> > > 171 made in May
>> > > 227 made in June
>> > > 445 made in July
>> > > 83 made in September
>>
>> > > 558 Yellow    26%
>> > > 517 White      24%
>> > >  436 Red        20%
>> > >  244 Blue       11%
>> > >  94 Lime.         4%
>> > > 107 Silver        4%
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Jun 27, 2014 11:07 PM, "Jerry Knotts" <knottsj at galstar.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Just a random thought.  How many Panteras were built in 1972
>> approximately.
>> >
>> > jerry knotts
>> >
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   I am now also going to start a listA  of all relevant Period ( 1971 -
   1975 ) Race Results so if you have documentation or a link to American
   or Eurpoean races, please forward.
   I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have
   them, please share.

   Thanks

   Michael Shortt

   53 cars so far.A A  ( Just added the 14 "Factory Racecars" )
   > >
   > >A  Want to know more?
   > >
   > >A  I use Marti Reports...
   please send yours.
   > >
   > > 11/18/13 Note: A valid point has been
   > >A  raised about build date versus release
   > > date, Thus the build date for each car
   > > will be listed next to it's serial number,
   > >
   > > followed by the release date which is
   > > more likely when it was finished and
   > >
   > > ready for shipping.
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > 38 US Cars and 14 Euro Car so far,
   > > > > >
   > > Please send your info if you have it.

   FACTORY RACE CARS

   (All were Red/Black)

   2263A  12/71A  GT 4 Euro

   2342A A A  3/72A  GT 4 USA (2824)

   2343A A A  3/72A  GT 4 Euro

   2344A A A  3/72A  GT 4 Euro

   2824A A A  3/72A  GT 4 Euro (2342)

   2823A A A  4/72A  GT 4 Euro

   2860A A A  4/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2858A A A  4/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2859A A A  5/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2861A A A  5/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2862A A A  5/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2872A A A  6/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2873A A  12/72A  GR 4 Euro

   2874A A  12/72A  GR 4 Euro

   > >A  US Cars
   > > > > >
   > >A  TOTALA  5,244
   > > > > >
   > >A  Imported to the US Market
   > > > > >
   > > 25.57% of which were Yellow
   > >
   > > The second most popular
   > >A  color appears to be White.
   > >
   > > Less than 3% were GTS Models
   > >
   > > 14% were 71's
   > > 40% were 72's
   > > 24% were 73's
   > > 21% were 74's
   > > > > >
   > > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a
   > > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .57%
   > > of US Import Models at 30 total units.
   > > >
   > > The most popular Pantera is a
   > > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at
   > > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported.
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > 1971A A
   > > > > >
   > > 743A  ALL Standard
   > > > > >
   > >
   > >A  Cars Included
   > >
   > > 1464A A A  5/71A A A A  2/72
   > > 1490A A A  5/71A A  12/71
   > > 1660A A A  6/71A A A A  3/72
   > > 1661A A A  6/71A A A A  4/72
   A A A A A A  2042A A  7/71A A A A  4/72
   > > > >A A A
   > >
   > > 120 made in May
   > > 208 made in June
   A A A A A  263 made in July
   > > 101 made in Oct
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > >
   > >A  224 YellowA A A A A  30%
   > >A A A  87 LimeA A A A A A A A  12%
   > > > > >
   > > 1972A
   > > > > >A A
   > >
   > >A  2,131 ALL StandardA
   > > > > >
   > >
   > >A  Cars included
   > > > > >
   > > 2071A A A  9/71A A A A  5/72
   > > 2207A  10/71A A A A  6/72
   > > 2467A A A  1/72A A A A  6/72
   > > 2586A A A  1/72A A  12/72
   > > 2761A A A  2/72A A  10/72
   > > 3310A A A  4/72A A A A  8/72
   > > 3400.A A  5/72A A A A  8/72
   > > 3482A A A  4/72A A A A  9/72
   > > 3676A A A  6/72A A A A  2/72A A A
   > > 3960A A A  7/72A A A A  3/73A A
   > > 4234A A A  7/72A A A A  2/73
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > >
   > > 307 made in January
   > > 238 made in February
   > > 308 made in April
   > > 171 made in May
   > > 227 made in JuneA
   > > 445 made in JulyA
   > > 83 made in September
   > > > >A A A
   > > > > >
   > > 558 YellowA A A  26%
   > > 517 WhiteA A A A A  24%
   > >A  436 RedA A A A A A A  20%
   > >A  244 BlueA A A A A A  11%
   > >A  94 Lime.A A A A A A A A  4%
   > > 107 SilverA A A A A A A  4%
   > >A A  57 GreenA A A A A A  2%
   > > > > >
   > > 1973
   > > > > >
   > > Includes some 72 Models designated as
   > > 72 1/2*A  #4269 -#4839
   > > > > >A A A
   > > 1,258 ALL StandardA
   > > > > >
   > > Cars Included
   > > > > >
   > > 4443*A A A  9/72A A A  5/73
   >A A A  4520*A A A A  9/72A A  10/73
   > > 4566*A A  10/72A A  7/73
   > > 4665*A A  10/72A A A  6/73
   > >
   > > 4860A A A  10/72A A A  5/73
   > > 5048A A A  12/72A A A  8/73
   > > 5445A A A A  3/73A A A A  9/73
   > > 5491A A A A  4/73A A  12/73
   > > 5906A A A A  7/73A A A A  5/74
   > > 5926A A A A  7/73A A A A  7/73
   > > > > >
   > >A  68 in March
   > >A  83 in April
   > > 185 in July
   > > 187 in October
   > > 163 in September
   > > 113 in DecemberA
   > > > > >
   > >A  334 YellowA A A A A A  26%
   > >A  277 White.A A A A A A A  22%A A A A A A A
   > >A  203 OrangeA A A A A  16%
   > > 178 RedA A A A A A A A A A A A  14%
   > >A A  90 GreenA A A A A A A A A A A  7%
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > >A  1974A
   > > > > >
   > > 1,112 ProducedA A A A
   > > > > >
   > >A  962 Standard
   > > 150 GTS Models
   > > > > >
   > >A  6143A A A  8/73A A A A  2/75
   > >A  6328A A A  9/73A A A A  9/74
   > >A  6480A A  10/73A A A  8/74

   A A A A A A  6583A A A A  10/73A A  8/74 EURO GTS/SLV/BLK Sultan of
   Brunei (Rusting away)

   > >A  6590A A  10/73A A A  8/74

   > >A  6928A A  12/73A  11/74
   > >A  7080A A A  1/74A A  11/74A A A A
   > >A  7207A A A  2/74A A A A  9/74
   > >A  7217A A A  3/74A A A A  1/75
   > >A  7269A A A  3/74A A  12/74
   > >A  7314A A A  6/74A A A A  1/75
   > >A  7366A A A  6/74A A A A  1/75
   > >
   > > > > >
   > > 142 in Jan
   > > 39 in FebA A A A A
   > >
   > > 61 in Mar
   > > 69 in JuneA A A A A
   > > 65 in AugA A A A A
   > > 113 in SeptA A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
   > > 224 in Oct
   > > 128 in DecA A
   > >
   > > > > >
   > > 225 YellowA A A A A A A A A A A A A  20%
   > > 191 WhiteA A A A A A A A A A A A A A  17%
   > > 188 OrangeA A A A A A A A A A A  17%
   > > 151 RedA A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A  13%
   > >
   > > 60 Slvr/Blk GTSA A A A A A  40%
   > > 60 Burg/Blk GTSA A A A  40%
   > > 30 YGold/Blk GTSA A  20%
   >
   >A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
   A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
    A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Euro Cars
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 1971
   > > > > > 549 Produced
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 1972
   > > > > > 416 Produced
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 1973
   > > > > >
   > > > > >A  ? Produced
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 5186 GTS
   > > > > >
   > > > > > May
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Blk/Silver
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 1974
   > > > > > 369 Produced
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > > The following information was
   > > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell
   > > > > > who credits George Pence.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with
   > > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera
   > > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been
   > > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971,
   > > > > > because they manufactured automobiles
   > > > > > based on the fiscal year.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > The curious part of that difference ...
   > > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971
   > > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln
   > > > > > showroom until February or March of
   > > > > > 1972.
   > > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models
   > > > > > since September 1971.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned
   > > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the
   > > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short,
   > > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began
   > > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973,
   > > > > > just like Ford.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models,
   > > > > > a few were actually built before
   > > > > > January, in 1970)
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382
   > > > > > January 1971 - April 1971
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Pre-L
   > > > > > (The beginning of the assembly
   > > > > > line models)
   > > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292
   > > > > > April 1971 - December 1971
   > > > > >
   > > > > >A  Total 1292 cars in 1971
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Pre-L
   > > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268
   > > > > > January 1972 - August 1972
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Pantera L
   > > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models
   > > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839
   > > > > > August 1972 - December 1972
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Pantera L (this is the short
   > > > > > 6 month model year)
   > > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899
   > > > > > January 1973 - June 1973
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months)
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's
   > > > > > production year, then extended.
   > > > > > Should have ended June 1974)
   > > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380
   > > > > > July 1973 - August 1974
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!)
   > > > > >
   > > > > > The total number of Panteras based
   > > > > >A  on the above data is 6380 from 71-74
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 5,244 US Models
   > > > > > 1,136 Euro Models
   > > > > >
   > > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136
   > > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334
   > > > > > not counting all of 73.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE.
   > > > > >A  More to come.

   On Jun 28, 2014 10:11 AM, "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com"
   <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:

     Only from deduction if you read between the marti reports serial #
     that have been supplied to me. Ill send what I have.

     Michael

   On Jun 28, 2014 10:02 AM, "Bill Lewis" <[3]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

     A  A Michael, can you break this down further - what were the actual
     VIN
     A  A numbers for each month. A For instance, my 4296 is MD
     (November, 1972);
     A  A what were the other VINs built in that month? A  --BILL Lewis
     A  A Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:26:31 -0400
     A  A From: [4]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A To: [5]knottsj at galstar.com
     A  A CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Number of 'P' cars built in 1972
     > > 307 made in January
     > > 238 made in February
     > > 308 made in April
     > > 171 made in May
     > > 227 made in June
     > > 445 made in July
     > > 83 made in September
     > > 558 Yellow A  A 26%
     > > 517 White A  A  A 24%
     > > A 436 Red A  A  A  A 20%
     > > A 244 Blue A  A  A  11%
     > > A 94 Lime. A  A  A  A  4%
     > > 107 Silver A  A  A  A 4%
     Michael Shortt
     On Jun 27, 2014 11:07 PM, "Jerry Knotts" <[7]knottsj at galstar.com>
     wrote:
     > Just a random thought. A How many Panteras were built in 1972
     approximately.
     >
     > jerry knotts
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