[DeTomaso] Number of 'P' cars built in 1972
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Sat Jun 28 10:16:01 EDT 2014
I am now also going to start a list of all relevant Period ( 1971 - 1975 )
Race Results so if you have documentation or a link to American or Eurpoean
races, please forward.
I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have them,
please share.
Thanks
Michael Shortt
53 cars so far. ( Just added the 14 "Factory Racecars" )
> >
> > Want to know more?
> >
> > I use Marti Reports...
please send yours.
> >
> > 11/18/13 Note: A valid point has been
> > raised about build date versus release
> > date, Thus the build date for each car
> > will be listed next to it's serial number,
> >
> > followed by the release date which is
> > more likely when it was finished and
> >
> > ready for shipping.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 38 US Cars and 14 Euro Car so far,
> > > > >
> > Please send your info if you have it.
FACTORY RACE CARS
(All were Red/Black)
2263 12/71 GT 4 Euro
2342 3/72 GT 4 USA (2824)
2343 3/72 GT 4 Euro
2344 3/72 GT 4 Euro
2824 3/72 GT 4 Euro (2342)
2823 4/72 GT 4 Euro
2860 4/72 GR 4 Euro
2858 4/72 GR 4 Euro
2859 5/72 GR 4 Euro
2861 5/72 GR 4 Euro
2862 5/72 GR 4 Euro
2872 6/72 GR 4 Euro
2873 12/72 GR 4 Euro
2874 12/72 GR 4 Euro
> > US Cars
> > > > >
> > TOTAL 5,244
> > > > >
> > Imported to the US Market
> > > > >
> > 25.57% of which were Yellow
> >
> > The second most popular
> > color appears to be White.
> >
> > Less than 3% were GTS Models
> >
> > 14% were 71's
> > 40% were 72's
> > 24% were 73's
> > 21% were 74's
> > > > >
> > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a
> > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .57%
> > of US Import Models at 30 total units.
> > >
> > The most popular Pantera is a
> > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at
> > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 1971
> > > > >
> > 743 ALL Standard
> > > > >
> >
> > Cars Included
> >
> > 1464 5/71 2/72
> > 1490 5/71 12/71
> > 1660 6/71 3/72
> > 1661 6/71 4/72
2042 7/71 4/72
> > > >
> >
> > 120 made in May
> > 208 made in June
263 made in July
> > 101 made in Oct
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > 224 Yellow 30%
> > 87 Lime 12%
> > > > >
> > 1972
> > > > >
> >
> > 2,131 ALL Standard
> > > > >
> >
> > Cars included
> > > > >
> > 2071 9/71 5/72
> > 2207 10/71 6/72
> > 2467 1/72 6/72
> > 2586 1/72 12/72
> > 2761 2/72 10/72
> > 3310 4/72 8/72
> > 3400. 5/72 8/72
> > 3482 4/72 9/72
> > 3676 6/72 2/72
> > 3960 7/72 3/73
> > 4234 7/72 2/73
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > 307 made in January
> > 238 made in February
> > 308 made in April
> > 171 made in May
> > 227 made in June
> > 445 made in July
> > 83 made in September
> > > >
> > > > >
> > 558 Yellow 26%
> > 517 White 24%
> > 436 Red 20%
> > 244 Blue 11%
> > 94 Lime. 4%
> > 107 Silver 4%
> > 57 Green 2%
> > > > >
> > 1973
> > > > >
> > Includes some 72 Models designated as
> > 72 1/2* #4269 -#4839
> > > > >
> > 1,258 ALL Standard
> > > > >
> > Cars Included
> > > > >
> > 4443* 9/72 5/73
> 4520* 9/72 10/73
> > 4566* 10/72 7/73
> > 4665* 10/72 6/73
> >
> > 4860 10/72 5/73
> > 5048 12/72 8/73
> > 5445 3/73 9/73
> > 5491 4/73 12/73
> > 5906 7/73 5/74
> > 5926 7/73 7/73
> > > > >
> > 68 in March
> > 83 in April
> > 185 in July
> > 187 in October
> > 163 in September
> > 113 in December
> > > > >
> > 334 Yellow 26%
> > 277 White. 22%
> > 203 Orange 16%
> > 178 Red 14%
> > 90 Green 7%
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 1974
> > > > >
> > 1,112 Produced
> > > > >
> > 962 Standard
> > 150 GTS Models
> > > > >
> > 6143 8/73 2/75
> > 6328 9/73 9/74
> > 6480 10/73 8/74
6583 10/73 8/74 EURO GTS/SLV/BLK Sultan of Brunei (Rusting
away)
> > 6590 10/73 8/74
> > 6928 12/73 11/74
> > 7080 1/74 11/74
> > 7207 2/74 9/74
> > 7217 3/74 1/75
> > 7269 3/74 12/74
> > 7314 6/74 1/75
> > 7366 6/74 1/75
> >
> > > > >
> > 142 in Jan
> > 39 in Feb
> >
> > 61 in Mar
> > 69 in June
> > 65 in Aug
> > 113 in Sept
> > 224 in Oct
> > 128 in Dec
> >
> > > > >
> > 225 Yellow 20%
> > 191 White 17%
> > 188 Orange 17%
> > 151 Red 13%
> >
> > 60 Slvr/Blk GTS 40%
> > 60 Burg/Blk GTS 40%
> > 30 YGold/Blk GTS 20%
>
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Euro Cars
> > > > >
> > > > > 1971
> > > > > 549 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 1972
> > > > > 416 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 1973
> > > > >
> > > > > ? Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 5186 GTS
> > > > >
> > > > > May
> > > > >
> > > > > Blk/Silver
> > > > >
> > > > > 1974
> > > > > 369 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The following information was
> > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell
> > > > > who credits George Pence.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with
> > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera
> > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been
> > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971,
> > > > > because they manufactured automobiles
> > > > > based on the fiscal year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The curious part of that difference ...
> > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971
> > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln
> > > > > showroom until February or March of
> > > > > 1972.
> > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models
> > > > > since September 1971.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned
> > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the
> > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short,
> > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began
> > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973,
> > > > > just like Ford.
> > > > >
> > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models,
> > > > > a few were actually built before
> > > > > January, in 1970)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382
> > > > > January 1971 - April 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Pre-L
> > > > > (The beginning of the assembly
> > > > > line models)
> > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292
> > > > > April 1971 - December 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1292 cars in 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Pre-L
> > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268
> > > > > January 1972 - August 1972
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L
> > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models
> > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839
> > > > > August 1972 - December 1972
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L (this is the short
> > > > > 6 month model year)
> > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899
> > > > > January 1973 - June 1973
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's
> > > > > production year, then extended.
> > > > > Should have ended June 1974)
> > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380
> > > > > July 1973 - August 1974
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!)
> > > > >
> > > > > The total number of Panteras based
> > > > > on the above data is 6380 from 71-74
> > > > >
> > > > > 5,244 US Models
> > > > > 1,136 Euro Models
> > > > >
> > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136
> > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334
> > > > > not counting all of 73.
> > > > >
> > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE.
> > > > > More to come.
On Jun 28, 2014 10:11 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <
michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> Only from deduction if you read between the marti reports serial # that
> have been supplied to me. Ill send what I have.
>
> Michael
> On Jun 28, 2014 10:02 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael, can you break this down further - what were the actual VIN
>> numbers for each month. For instance, my 4296 is MD (November, 1972);
>> what were the other VINs built in that month? --BILL Lewis
>> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:26:31 -0400
>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>> To: knottsj at galstar.com
>> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Number of 'P' cars built in 1972
>> > > 307 made in January
>> > > 238 made in February
>> > > 308 made in April
>> > > 171 made in May
>> > > 227 made in June
>> > > 445 made in July
>> > > 83 made in September
>>
>> > > 558 Yellow 26%
>> > > 517 White 24%
>> > > 436 Red 20%
>> > > 244 Blue 11%
>> > > 94 Lime. 4%
>> > > 107 Silver 4%
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Jun 27, 2014 11:07 PM, "Jerry Knotts" <knottsj at galstar.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Just a random thought. How many Panteras were built in 1972
>> approximately.
>> >
>> > jerry knotts
>> >
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I am now also going to start a listA of all relevant Period ( 1971 -
1975 ) Race Results so if you have documentation or a link to American
or Eurpoean races, please forward.
I need more Marti Reports and order formd from RS Corse, if you have
them, please share.
Thanks
Michael Shortt
53 cars so far.A A ( Just added the 14 "Factory Racecars" )
> >
> >A Want to know more?
> >
> >A I use Marti Reports...
please send yours.
> >
> > 11/18/13 Note: A valid point has been
> >A raised about build date versus release
> > date, Thus the build date for each car
> > will be listed next to it's serial number,
> >
> > followed by the release date which is
> > more likely when it was finished and
> >
> > ready for shipping.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 38 US Cars and 14 Euro Car so far,
> > > > >
> > Please send your info if you have it.
FACTORY RACE CARS
(All were Red/Black)
2263A 12/71A GT 4 Euro
2342A A A 3/72A GT 4 USA (2824)
2343A A A 3/72A GT 4 Euro
2344A A A 3/72A GT 4 Euro
2824A A A 3/72A GT 4 Euro (2342)
2823A A A 4/72A GT 4 Euro
2860A A A 4/72A GR 4 Euro
2858A A A 4/72A GR 4 Euro
2859A A A 5/72A GR 4 Euro
2861A A A 5/72A GR 4 Euro
2862A A A 5/72A GR 4 Euro
2872A A A 6/72A GR 4 Euro
2873A A 12/72A GR 4 Euro
2874A A 12/72A GR 4 Euro
> >A US Cars
> > > > >
> >A TOTALA 5,244
> > > > >
> >A Imported to the US Market
> > > > >
> > 25.57% of which were Yellow
> >
> > The second most popular
> >A color appears to be White.
> >
> > Less than 3% were GTS Models
> >
> > 14% were 71's
> > 40% were 72's
> > 24% were 73's
> > 21% were 74's
> > > > >
> > So far, the rarest US Pantera is a
> > 74 GTS in YellowGold/Blk at .57%
> > of US Import Models at 30 total units.
> > >
> > The most popular Pantera is a
> > 72 Standard Model in Yellow at
> > 558 units or 10.6% of all cars imported.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 1971A A
> > > > >
> > 743A ALL Standard
> > > > >
> >
> >A Cars Included
> >
> > 1464A A A 5/71A A A A 2/72
> > 1490A A A 5/71A A 12/71
> > 1660A A A 6/71A A A A 3/72
> > 1661A A A 6/71A A A A 4/72
A A A A A A 2042A A 7/71A A A A 4/72
> > > >A A A
> >
> > 120 made in May
> > 208 made in June
A A A A A 263 made in July
> > 101 made in Oct
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >A 224 YellowA A A A A 30%
> >A A A 87 LimeA A A A A A A A 12%
> > > > >
> > 1972A
> > > > >A A
> >
> >A 2,131 ALL StandardA
> > > > >
> >
> >A Cars included
> > > > >
> > 2071A A A 9/71A A A A 5/72
> > 2207A 10/71A A A A 6/72
> > 2467A A A 1/72A A A A 6/72
> > 2586A A A 1/72A A 12/72
> > 2761A A A 2/72A A 10/72
> > 3310A A A 4/72A A A A 8/72
> > 3400.A A 5/72A A A A 8/72
> > 3482A A A 4/72A A A A 9/72
> > 3676A A A 6/72A A A A 2/72A A A
> > 3960A A A 7/72A A A A 3/73A A
> > 4234A A A 7/72A A A A 2/73
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > 307 made in January
> > 238 made in February
> > 308 made in April
> > 171 made in May
> > 227 made in JuneA
> > 445 made in JulyA
> > 83 made in September
> > > >A A A
> > > > >
> > 558 YellowA A A 26%
> > 517 WhiteA A A A A 24%
> >A 436 RedA A A A A A A 20%
> >A 244 BlueA A A A A A 11%
> >A 94 Lime.A A A A A A A A 4%
> > 107 SilverA A A A A A A 4%
> >A A 57 GreenA A A A A A 2%
> > > > >
> > 1973
> > > > >
> > Includes some 72 Models designated as
> > 72 1/2*A #4269 -#4839
> > > > >A A A
> > 1,258 ALL StandardA
> > > > >
> > Cars Included
> > > > >
> > 4443*A A A 9/72A A A 5/73
>A A A 4520*A A A A 9/72A A 10/73
> > 4566*A A 10/72A A 7/73
> > 4665*A A 10/72A A A 6/73
> >
> > 4860A A A 10/72A A A 5/73
> > 5048A A A 12/72A A A 8/73
> > 5445A A A A 3/73A A A A 9/73
> > 5491A A A A 4/73A A 12/73
> > 5906A A A A 7/73A A A A 5/74
> > 5926A A A A 7/73A A A A 7/73
> > > > >
> >A 68 in March
> >A 83 in April
> > 185 in July
> > 187 in October
> > 163 in September
> > 113 in DecemberA
> > > > >
> >A 334 YellowA A A A A A 26%
> >A 277 White.A A A A A A A 22%A A A A A A A
> >A 203 OrangeA A A A A 16%
> > 178 RedA A A A A A A A A A A A 14%
> >A A 90 GreenA A A A A A A A A A A 7%
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >A 1974A
> > > > >
> > 1,112 ProducedA A A A
> > > > >
> >A 962 Standard
> > 150 GTS Models
> > > > >
> >A 6143A A A 8/73A A A A 2/75
> >A 6328A A A 9/73A A A A 9/74
> >A 6480A A 10/73A A A 8/74
A A A A A A 6583A A A A 10/73A A 8/74 EURO GTS/SLV/BLK Sultan of
Brunei (Rusting away)
> >A 6590A A 10/73A A A 8/74
> >A 6928A A 12/73A 11/74
> >A 7080A A A 1/74A A 11/74A A A A
> >A 7207A A A 2/74A A A A 9/74
> >A 7217A A A 3/74A A A A 1/75
> >A 7269A A A 3/74A A 12/74
> >A 7314A A A 6/74A A A A 1/75
> >A 7366A A A 6/74A A A A 1/75
> >
> > > > >
> > 142 in Jan
> > 39 in FebA A A A A
> >
> > 61 in Mar
> > 69 in JuneA A A A A
> > 65 in AugA A A A A
> > 113 in SeptA A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> > 224 in Oct
> > 128 in DecA A
> >
> > > > >
> > 225 YellowA A A A A A A A A A A A A 20%
> > 191 WhiteA A A A A A A A A A A A A A 17%
> > 188 OrangeA A A A A A A A A A A 17%
> > 151 RedA A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A 13%
> >
> > 60 Slvr/Blk GTSA A A A A A 40%
> > 60 Burg/Blk GTSA A A A 40%
> > 30 YGold/Blk GTSA A 20%
>
>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> > > > >
> > > > > Euro Cars
> > > > >
> > > > > 1971
> > > > > 549 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 1972
> > > > > 416 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 1973
> > > > >
> > > > >A ? Produced
> > > > >
> > > > > 5186 GTS
> > > > >
> > > > > May
> > > > >
> > > > > Blk/Silver
> > > > >
> > > > > 1974
> > > > > 369 Produced
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The following information was
> > > > > shared with me by Scott Bell
> > > > > who credits George Pence.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DeTomaso model year was in line with
> > > > > the calendar year I 1971. The last 1971 Pantera
> > > > > was #2292, built in December 1971.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whereas North American Ford had been
> > > > > building 1972 model Fords since July of 1971,
> > > > > because they manufactured automobiles
> > > > > based on the fiscal year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The curious part of that difference ...
> > > > > chassis 2292 which was the last 1971
> > > > > Pantera, probably didn't hit a Lincoln
> > > > > showroom until February or March of
> > > > > 1972.
> > > > > Ford had been selling 1972 models
> > > > > since September 1971.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DeTomaso model year was aligned
> > > > > with Ford's model year in 1973 ... the
> > > > > DeTomaso 1973 model year was cut short,
> > > > > it was only 6 months long. DeTomaso began
> > > > > manufacturing 1974 models in July of 1973,
> > > > > just like Ford.
> > > > >
> > > > > Push Buttons (hand built models,
> > > > > a few were actually built before
> > > > > January, in 1970)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chassis 1001 - 1382
> > > > > January 1971 - April 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Pre-L
> > > > > (The beginning of the assembly
> > > > > line models)
> > > > > Chassis 1383 - 2292
> > > > > April 1971 - December 1971
> > > > >
> > > > >A Total 1292 cars in 1971
> > > > >
> > > > > Pre-L
> > > > > Chassis 2293 - 4268
> > > > > January 1972 - August 1972
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L
> > > > > Officially called 1972-1/2 models
> > > > > Chassis 4269 - 4839
> > > > > August 1972 - December 1972
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 2547 cars in 1972
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L (this is the short
> > > > > 6 month model year)
> > > > > Chassis 4840 - 5899
> > > > > January 1973 - June 1973
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1060 cars in 1973 (only 6 months)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pantera L (aligned with Ford's
> > > > > production year, then extended.
> > > > > Should have ended June 1974)
> > > > > Chassis 5900 - 7380
> > > > > July 1973 - August 1974
> > > > >
> > > > > Total 1481 cars in 1974 (14 months!)
> > > > >
> > > > > The total number of Panteras based
> > > > >A on the above data is 6380 from 71-74
> > > > >
> > > > > 5,244 US Models
> > > > > 1,136 Euro Models
> > > > >
> > > > > 6,380-5244 =1,136
> > > > > Yearly totals = 1,334
> > > > > not counting all of 73.
> > > > >
> > > > > These totals do NOT AGREE.
> > > > >A More to come.
On Jun 28, 2014 10:11 AM, "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com"
<[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
Only from deduction if you read between the marti reports serial #
that have been supplied to me. Ill send what I have.
Michael
On Jun 28, 2014 10:02 AM, "Bill Lewis" <[3]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
A A Michael, can you break this down further - what were the actual
VIN
A A numbers for each month. A For instance, my 4296 is MD
(November, 1972);
A A what were the other VINs built in that month? A --BILL Lewis
A A Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:26:31 -0400
A A From: [4]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A To: [5]knottsj at galstar.com
A A CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Number of 'P' cars built in 1972
> > 307 made in January
> > 238 made in February
> > 308 made in April
> > 171 made in May
> > 227 made in June
> > 445 made in July
> > 83 made in September
> > 558 Yellow A A 26%
> > 517 White A A A 24%
> > A 436 Red A A A A 20%
> > A 244 Blue A A A 11%
> > A 94 Lime. A A A A 4%
> > 107 Silver A A A A 4%
Michael Shortt
On Jun 27, 2014 11:07 PM, "Jerry Knotts" <[7]knottsj at galstar.com>
wrote:
> Just a random thought. A How many Panteras were built in 1972
approximately.
>
> jerry knotts
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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