[DeTomaso] Fw: FW: Fwd: modded Pantera to be auctioned at Newport Beach next weekend
Brent Stewart
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Mon Jun 16 17:29:53 EDT 2014
I took one of the pictures, cropped it and lightened it up to see what those wheels were - camps painted back...
On Monday, June 16, 2014 1:22 PM, Jordan Klein <ohjordan at hotmail.com> wrote:
The pictures of #1435 show a flat deck ('71) square door handles (late
'71 change from push button) and from the pictures it appears to be one
of the few with solid window frames (rather than the stainless window
frame caps).
I don't remember the exact number, but a few Pantera's body production
was delayed because the supplier couldn't deliver the stainless steel
window frame caps. DeTomaso historians know precisely the quantity and
serial numbers of
these rare cars. My recollection is something less
than 20-30 cars, and this car's serial number falls within 7 numbers of
another car I know personally that has the solid window frames.
As the story was shared with me, the stainless window frame caps were
back-ordered, which stalled the body production line. After inordinate
delays, DeTomaso patience finally turned to action; he contracted with
a local cathedral window maker to hand fabricate window frames from
brass which were then dipped for chroming.
If my eye is correct, and #1435 does in fact have the solid window
frames, that may explain in part the apparent 'out-of-sequence'
production timeline for this particular car. It might also make
this
particular car one of a few with this rare anomaly and perhaps be more
valuable to aficionados of DeTomaso production minutia.
Regarding the '72 registration, dealers frequently titled these cars in
whatever year was convenient, expedient, and/or satisfied the marketing
objective. '71 Panteras were occasionally registered as '72's simply
because they arrived late on the dealer's lot, and the dealer didn't
want the appearance of having the 'iconic' Pantera unsold for what
appeared to be last years model. So with a wave of the magic wand,
some '71s became '72s. It seems it was at the dealer's discretion.
I don't claim to be the ultimate authority on DeTomaso production, but
if this car has the solid window frames, this scenario is a good
guess.
Jordan Klein
#7314
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:35:08 +0200
From: charlesmccall at gmail.com
To: scscottc at gmail.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: modded Pantera to be auctioned at Newport
Beach next weekend
I agree with Michael - the serial number logic is only a rough guideline.
There were numerous cars pulled out of the line for months at a time, or
finished up a year later. I'd believe anything, really.
The sequence and dates in the ad are all mixed up. Maybe it's a mistake in
the ad, or maybe it's the way that particular car was built. I wouldn't
rule out either one
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Scott Carpenter <scscottc at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm wondering if they have their facts correct. From the listing:A
> 1972 De Tomaso Pantera #1435 "This DeTomaso Pantera was built in
> July/August of 1971 and sold new in 1972, being one of the 63 Panteras
> hand-built in total during 1971."
> So my car is #1523
and has a build date of May/71 on the door plate.A
> Is it possible that this car even though it is an earlier VIN than mine
> wasn't completed until July/August?A Does the delivery date of 1972
> make it a "1972" car? Or was it the August build date that pushed it to
> 1972 as I know a lot of manufacturers start delivering the next model
> year cars around August.A Not sure that was the practice in August of
> 1971.. I was only a year old then.. ;-)
> Scott
> #1523
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com>
> Date: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:12 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] modded Pantera to be auctioned at Newport Beach
> next weekend
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
> A A [1][3][1]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
> A A Russo and Steele will auctioning this car next weekend
> A A It will be interesting to see what it brings.
> A A Jim
> References
> A A 1. [4][2]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
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> 3. [4]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
> 4. [5]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
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2. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
4. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
5. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
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I took one of the pictures, cropped it and lightened it up to see what
those wheels were - camps painted back...
On Monday, June 16, 2014 1:22 PM, Jordan Klein <ohjordan at hotmail.com>
wrote:
The pictures of #1435 show a flat deck ('71) square door handles
(late
'71 change from push button) and from the pictures it appears to be
one
of the few with solid window frames (rather than the stainless window
frame caps).
I don't remember the exact number, but a few Pantera's body
production
was delayed because the supplier couldn't deliver the stainless steel
window frame caps. DeTomaso historians know precisely the quantity
and
serial numbers of these rare cars. My recollection is something less
than 20-30 cars, and this car's serial number falls within 7 numbers
of
another car I know personally that has the solid window frames.
As the story was shared with me, the stainless window frame caps were
back-ordered, which stalled the body production line. After
inordinate
delays, DeTomaso patience finally turned to action; he contracted
with
a local cathedral window maker to hand fabricate window frames from
brass which were then dipped for chroming.
If my eye is correct, and #1435 does in fact have the solid window
frames, that may explain in part the apparent 'out-of-sequence'
production timeline for this particular car. It might also make this
particular car one of a few with this rare anomaly and perhaps be
more
valuable to aficionados of DeTomaso production minutia.
Regarding the '72 registration, dealers frequently titled these cars
in
whatever year was convenient, expedient, and/or satisfied the
marketing
objective. '71 Panteras were occasionally registered as '72's simply
because they arrived late on the dealer's lot, and the dealer didn't
want the appearance of having the 'iconic' Pantera unsold for what
appeared to be last years model. So with a wave of the magic wand,
some '71s became '72s. It seems it was at the dealer's discretion.
I don't claim to be the ultimate authority on DeTomaso production,
but
if this car has the solid window frames, this scenario is a good
guess.
Jordan Klein
#7314
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:35:08 +0200
From: [1]charlesmccall at gmail.com
To: [2]scscottc at gmail.com
CC: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: modded Pantera to be auctioned at
Newport
Beach next weekend
I agree with Michael - the serial number logic is only a rough
guideline.
There were numerous cars pulled out of the line for months at a time,
or
finished up a year later. I'd believe anything, really.
The sequence and dates in the ad are all mixed up. Maybe it's a mistake
in
the ad, or maybe it's the way that particular car was built. I wouldn't
rule out either one
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Scott Carpenter
<[4]scscottc at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm wondering if they have their facts correct. From the listing:A
> 1972 De Tomaso Pantera #1435 "This DeTomaso Pantera was built in
> July/August of 1971 and sold new in 1972, being one of the 63
Panteras
> hand-built in total during 1971."
> So my car is #1523 and has a build date of May/71 on the door
plate.A
> Is it possible that this car even though it is an earlier VIN than
mine
> wasn't completed until July/August?A Does the delivery date of
1972
> make it a "1972" car? Or was it the August build date that pushed
it to
> 1972 as I know a lot of manufacturers start delivering the next
model
> year cars around August.A Not sure that was the practice in
August of
> 1971.. I was only a year old then.. ;-)
> Scott
> #1523
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pantdino <[1][5]pantdino at aol.com>
> Date: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:12 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] modded Pantera to be auctioned at Newport
Beach
> next weekend
> To: [2][6]detomaso at poca.com
> A A
[1][3][1][7]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
> A A Russo and Steele will auctioning this car next weekend
> A A It will be interesting to see what it brings.
> A A Jim
> References
> A A 1.
[4][2][8]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
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> 2. mailto:[12]detomaso at poca.com
> 3. [4][13]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
> 4. [5][14]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
> 5. mailto:[15]DeTomaso at poca.com
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2. [22]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
3. [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
4. [24]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
5. [25]http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
6. [26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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2. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com
3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
4. mailto:scscottc at gmail.com
5. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
8. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
11. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
13. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
14. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
21. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
22. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
24. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
25. http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1972/78591
26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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