[DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.

[Rich]

I am in Arizona heat.   I have moved my condenser to the front to make the 
car cool for me.  It works, I am cool.  I installed a ron davis radiator 
with fans and the engine is also cool.
Rich Hoppe

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kirby Schrader
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 5:49 PM
To: Charles McCall
Cc: Pantera list serve ; Mikael
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.


I, too, have moved my condenser up front. No overheating and the A/C works 
better.
We plan on installing my son’s the same way.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 5:45, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:

>   I've read over the years numerous first-hand reports of people who have
>   mounted the condenser up front and have not noticed overheating
>   problems, but have noticed improved A/C performance. I even remember
>   reading an objetive report from someone who measured the temperature
>   coming out the vents before and and after moving the condenser, both at
>   around-town speeds and highway speeds. A/C efficiency was equal around
>   town with both setups, but the effectiveness dropped measurably with
>   the rear mounted setupA as highway speed increased, and they only
>   measured up to 60 mph or so. A/C efficiency would no doubt continue to
>   drop, and perhaps even exponentially, at sustained 150 k/hr cruising.
>   A
>   Based on the number of reports I've read over the years, I have filed
>   away in my mind that this was a good mod for cars used at higher
>   cruising speeds, and would be of limited value for cars that just
>   cruise around town.
>   Names of the people who have tried this may be found in the archives.
>   (And Mikael will have the opportunity to talk to some of them next
>   month at Le Mans)
>   A
>   Just another perspective
>   On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Mikael <[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
>   wrote:
>
>     Boyd, allow me to paste in my earlier input on this. Nobody
>     disagreed back then, that could of course be because they think I'm
>     beyond repair... :-) Please read below...
>     --
>     It pops up once in a while: the idea of front mounted A/C. Before
>     you spend the time and money (unless youare rich and retired and
>     needs to get through the day), consider this:
>     It would have been easier and cheaper for DeTomaso to have the A/C
>     in the front, so why did they go to rear mounted? Very simply
>     because having two hot things close to one another doesnat help.
>     A/C:
>     1. A  A  A If going slow or standing still in stop and go traffic,
>     which would you rather have? A rear mounted no restrictions system
>     is for sure better than a front mounted where it would be sitting
>     next to a hot radiator and airflow would be restricted by having to
>     pass through both of them
>     2. A  A  A If cruising or going fast, the extra air flow from the
>     car moving MIGHT give better A/C cooling. Iave never seen figures to
>     document that, and my own rear mounted A/C deals with German/French
>     highways and stop and go in summer, without me having to turn the
>     knob to full cool, itas just working as designed
>     Engine cooling:
>     3. A  A  A Who would dispute that the risk of overheating the engine
>     is bigger when a hot restrictive A/C system is placed in front of
>     the radiator?
>     So what are the pros and cons? There are two definite aconsa, 1. and
>     3., and one maybe aproa, 2. Do the math, and save the time and
>     money, and spend it on getting the original system to work as
>     designed. Be cool
>     Mikael
>     -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>     Fra: Boyd Casey [mailto:[2]boyd411 at gmail.com]
>     Sendt: 3. juni 2014 01:15
>     Til: [3]detomaso at poca.com
>     Emne: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car.
>     As some of you may recall I blew up my engine and was considering
>     installing a Coyote engine. As much as I think the Coyote is a great
>     engine I have decided to stick with a Cleveland. I have always
>     wanted 180 degree headers and having just installed a super deluxe
>     new AC stem last year the prospect of moving the condenser and hoses
>     to the front of the car is the only thing that is standing in m way.
>     When I upgraded I installed a very thin parallel flow condenser . I
>     was wondering how much air flow restriction mooing the condenser to
>     behind the radiator will cause. I have a "True" lay down radiator
>     and sucker fans. Is there anything else I should worry about or take
>     into consideration. I went 5 years with out having working AC and
>     the new set up was blowing cold air at 42F so I don't want to go
>     back to the "Sauna".
>     Boyd
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