[DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.

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Wed Jun 4 14:18:49 EDT 2014 

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-----Original Message-----
>From: jderyke at aol.com
>Sent: Jun 4, 2014 2:15 PM
>To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at poca.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.
>
>   I tyhink you're over-thinking this whole project. I've seen a couple of
>   180 setups that utilize exhaust pipes and/or short mufflers that do NOT
>   exit straight out the back but are in the std exiting spots on both
>   sides under the bumper. That might let you keep your A/C condenser in
>   back if you're so averse to moving it to the front..
>   That position is NOT the best for all Panteras, though. It works best
>   if the car is driven relatively slow. And the stock tub is a vital part
>   of the airflow management that allows air from in back of the car to be
>   drawn in, passed thru the condenser and bend downward against the rear
>   of the tub, to exit very close to the ground. This avoids having heated
>   A/C exhaust air simply circle around and around thru the condenser in a
>   loop.
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
>   To: Pantera list serve <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 9:11 am
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no,
>   don't.
>   Boyd,
>
>   The location you suggest would expose the condenser to heated air from
>   the radiator. Popular opinion is that the condenser should be in
>   ambient air to work best.
>   Forest
>   From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>   To: Rob Dumoulin <[2]rob at dumoulins.net>
>   Cc: Pantera list serve <[3]detomaso at poca.com>; Mikael
>   <[4]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:03 AM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no,
>   don't.
>     Rob brings up a very important point. The reason for my considering
>     moving my condenser is to accommodate the 180 degree headers. Last
>   year
>     I installed a completely new ac system . An authentic Sandeen
>     A compressor ( if you ever are shopping for a new compressor to
>   replace
>     the antiquated York comppressor you will notice most ads say"Sandeen
>     type") or even worse they are just Chinese knock offs manufactured
>     without license! Mine was an authentic Sandeen and was an SD7 vs an
>     SD5. The SD7 is a rotary compressor with 7 pistons vs 5 on the SD5
>   and
>     has a larger displacement. The bottom line is that it A capable of
>     compressing a larger volume of Freon then the SD5. I also installed a
>     Parallel flow condenser a new dryer, a new dual fan set up and A the
>     new dryer had the correct connections to allow installation of both
>   an
>     over pressure A and low pressure cut off switch. ( something that was
>     missing from the original Pantera AC system). So my new AC works
>   great.
>     It blows colder air then any other Pantera I have seen. So my
>     motivation is not in any way connected to an attempt to get a more
>     effective or efficient AC.
>     I am looking for the best way to keep my AC while installing A 180
>     degree exhaust. I already have the exhaust so reworking it to allow
>   the
>     pipes to exit from the normal exhaust exit point would be expensive
>   and
>     would also require A a change to the cam grind ( which was designed
>     using the 180 exhaust measurements.A
>     What about thinking outside the box ? I know just about everyone has
>     seen the Ring Bros. Pantera. My new parallel flow condenser is very
>     thin. What if I could mount it on the front hood with it's own fans
>   and
>     suck air from inside the car ( the air that comes to the car through
>     the front grill and from under the car and exhaust through the hood?.
>   I
>     could modify the hood (if necessary ) I already have vents in my
>   front
>     hood. I haven't measured them but I think their area is close to the
>     area A in the rear of the car , which allows the necessary A air for
>     the AC to operate properly.
>     Thoughts ,comments?
>     Boyd
>     On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Rob Dumoulin
>   <[1][1][5]rob at dumoulins.net>
>     wrote:
>       A  A Let's not forget one reason for making the move was to
>       accommodate 180
>       A  A degree headers. A Moving up front would be the obvious choice
>       unless
>       A  A you get really creative with the plumbing and keep the stock
>       exhaust
>       A  A location.
>       A  A Rob DuMoulin
>       A  A [2]904.476.8744
>       A  A [1][3][2][6]rob at dumoulins.net
>       A  A [2][4][7]www.kbsi.co
>       A  A [3][5][3][8]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>       A  A  A Boyd wrote:
>       A  A  A A A A A A ...
>       A  A  A A A A A A I have always
>       A  A  A A A A A A wanted 180 degree headers and having just
>       installed a super
>       A  A  A deluxe
>       A  A  A A A A A A new AC stem last year the prospect of moving the
>       condenser
>       A  A  A and hoses
>       A  A  A A A A A A to the front of the car is the only thing that is
>       standing
>       A  A  A in m way.
>       A  A  A A A A A A A ...
>       A  A  A A A A A A Boyd
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