[DeTomaso] Pair of 10" Campy Pantera wheels wanted
Pantdino
pantdino at aol.com
Wed Jul 23 12:52:13 EDT 2014
My experience is that it is braking performance that makes tires too hard to use.
With cornering the car will still be stable because all the tires are old and hard, so it will just drift at a lower speed,
Once I was driving my Dino with 20 year old Yoko A008's when I decided to keep up with a kid in a WRX leaving a stop light. When we got up to a speed that was high enough above the limit I decided that was enough and I hit the brakes hard. There was a giant cloud of tire smoke as the fronts locked but the car hardly slowed.
I got new Sumitomos (cheap tires but one of the few that came in 205/70-14) and the difference in stopping power was night and day.
If you drive on 20 year old tires leave a LARGE distance between you and the car ahead of you.
Jim Oddie
-----Original Message-----
From: cengles <cengles at cox.net>
To: mikeldrew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 6:46 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pair of 10" Campy Pantera wheels wanted
Dear Mike,
See below:
>>>Actually, on the street I'm still running my Z-rated BFG 245/50-15
fronts and H-rated 305-50-15 Euro T/A in the rear. They are in great
shape although they are almost 20 years old (!).
$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!! is right. To paraphrase an old saying, "Just
because you ignore the laws of physics ( chemistry of rubber
deterioration), doesn't mean they won't kick your ass."
Fortunately I take care of tires well--I never use any sort of
Armor-All or other destructive products, they aren't exposed to
daylight very often, etc.
$$$$$$$$ Ah, we both know that sounds good, but it only works until
the tire fails. To use a favorite quote: "As long as nothing happens,
there's no danger."
They are hard as hockey pucks, and getting pretty worn. I have a set
of Toyo 225/50 and 295/50 Proxes tires (Z and H-rated, respectively)
waiting to be mounted.
$$$$$$$$ I am glad you have the Toyos in reserve. 1) how old are
they? 2) I hope the mix of Z & H works better for you than me. The
fiendish handling when I mixed V & S is what pushed me to take the
seventeen inch solution for good tires.
Those are no longer available, however.
$$$$$$$ Hmmmm. Further evidence of a serious decline in fifteen
inch tire options *for a Pantera*. I did a quick Tire Rack search for
suitable tires for 8 & 10x15" wheels the other day. No hits. Slim
pickins'.
I've recently spoken to a guy who replaced his old tires with new
S-rated BFG 225/50 and 295/50, and they said that the difference was
like night and day--the new tires were much, much better than the Euro
T/As that were there before.
$$$$$$ I hope that is true, but it seems too good to be true. I
would bet that given your skill at driving con brio, you would be a
good judge if they are more than adequate for a Pantera suspension and
drivetrain.
For the track, I use Z-rated Hoosier radials, sized 225/50 and 275/50
(largest rear size they make) and those work phenomenally well.
$$$$$$ Ah! Now we're talking about good tires, but they are not well
suited for the street.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
Mike
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My experience is that it is braking performance that makes tires too
hard to use.
With cornering the car will still be stable because all the tires are
old and hard, so it will just drift at a lower speed,
Once I was driving my Dino with 20 year old Yoko A008's when I decided
to keep up with a kid in a WRX leaving a stop light. When we got up to
a speed that was high enough above the limit I decided that was enough
and I hit the brakes hard. There was a giant cloud of tire smoke as the
fronts locked but the car hardly slowed.
I got new Sumitomos (cheap tires but one of the few that came in
205/70-14) and the difference in stopping power was night and day.
If you drive on 20 year old tires leave a LARGE distance between you
and the car ahead of you.
Jim Oddie
-----Original Message-----
From: cengles <cengles at cox.net>
To: mikeldrew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 6:46 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pair of 10" Campy Pantera wheels wanted
Dear Mike,
See below:
>>>Actually, on the street I'm still running my Z-rated BFG 245/50-15
fronts and H-rated 305-50-15 Euro T/A in the rear. They are in great
shape although they are almost 20 years old (!).
$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!! is right. To paraphrase an old saying, "Just
because you ignore the laws of physics ( chemistry of rubber
deterioration), doesn't mean they won't kick your ass."
Fortunately I take care of tires well--I never use any sort of
Armor-All or other destructive products, they aren't exposed to
daylight very often, etc.
$$$$$$$$ Ah, we both know that sounds good, but it only works until
the tire fails. To use a favorite quote: "As long as nothing happens,
there's no danger."
They are hard as hockey pucks, and getting pretty worn. I have a set
of Toyo 225/50 and 295/50 Proxes tires (Z and H-rated, respectively)
waiting to be mounted.
$$$$$$$$ I am glad you have the Toyos in reserve. 1) how old are
they? 2) I hope the mix of Z & H works better for you than me. The
fiendish handling when I mixed V & S is what pushed me to take the
seventeen inch solution for good tires.
Those are no longer available, however.
$$$$$$$ Hmmmm. Further evidence of a serious decline in fifteen
inch tire options *for a Pantera*. I did a quick Tire Rack search for
suitable tires for 8 & 10x15" wheels the other day. No hits. Slim
pickins'.
I've recently spoken to a guy who replaced his old tires with new
S-rated BFG 225/50 and 295/50, and they said that the difference was
like night and day--the new tires were much, much better than the Euro
T/As that were there before.
$$$$$$ I hope that is true, but it seems too good to be true. I
would bet that given your skill at driving con brio, you would be a
good judge if they are more than adequate for a Pantera suspension and
drivetrain.
For the track, I use Z-rated Hoosier radials, sized 225/50 and 275/50
(largest rear size they make) and those work phenomenally well.
$$$$$$ Ah! Now we're talking about good tires, but they are not well
suited for the street.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
Mike
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