[DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad) truth
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Fri Jul 18 08:05:01 EDT 2014
I had the same issue and it was the connector on the sender. Installed a
nrw end on the wire, problem solved.
Michael Shortt
On Jul 18, 2014 7:02 AM, "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also have a mechanical gauge installed because I didn't like what my
> stock pressure gauge was telling me. It was doing weird things that I
> assumed couldn't be possible, such asA wildly fluctuating pressure. In
> fact my real pressure is rock solid as indicated by the mechanical
> gauge.
> A
> Another data point that the stock gauge may get flaky on you and lead
> you to incorrect assumptions
> A
> A
>
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Andy May <[1]andymay24 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> A A Robert,
> A A Don't make the assumption that your oil gauge indication bears
> any
> A A relationship to what oil pressure you actually have at the
> engine!
> A A Speaking from personal experience, the problem may very well be
> the oil
> A A pressure sender. Mine was jumping around all over - especially
> when hot
> A A - which I could not understand with my reasonably freshly built
> engine.
> A A I replaced the electrical sender (a standard ford part) and
> also fitted
> A A an additional mechanical gauge via a T-connector just as a
> means of
> A A "positive checking" as I had lost confidence in the electrical
> one.
> A A Result - 55psi normal running and 40-45psi hot idle on the
> mechanical
> A A gauge and a much happier owner! The standard pantera gauge
> continues to
> A A present an approximation of pressure, but at least now its a
> pretty
> A A stable approximation!
> A A I suggest you hook up a mechanical gauge and check your oil
> pressure
> A A with this before you tear into the motor.
> A A Kind regards
> A A Andy
> A A On Jul 18, 2014 9:47 AM, "Robert Stroj" <[1][2]npdrs at maui.net>
> wrote:
> A A A Hi Sean,
> A A A Yes, as you pointed out it is a real problem that I don't
> have the
> A A A specs.
> A A A As well, looking at the price, it seems to me that they
> might not be
> A A A Solid Rollers; that price looks like it would fit to regular
> solid
> A A A flat tappet lifters?
> A A A I got all the original receipts with the car and tried to
> call
> A A A vendor of the cam to find out if he might have somewhere any
> spec,
> A A A but based on receipt it was not possible to find
> anything...it is 10
> A A A years past since they were purchased; same was the situation
> with
> A A A the head, so I do not know which SS valves are used, spring
> rates or
> A A A which roller rockers are installed.
> A A A I guess, first I need to check if my bearings are OK as I
> really
> A A A have a bad feeling with oil pressure showing really low when
> engine
> A A A is hot.
> A A A Is there any way to check that short of pulling the motor
> out and
> A A A opening the bottom; guess not?
> A A A Thanks, Robert
> A A A -----Original Message-----
> A A A From: Sean Korb [mailto:[2][3]spkorb at gmail.com]
> A A A Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:01 AM
> A A A To: [3][4]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad) truth
> A A A It's hard to tell with a custom grind Isky. A They make a
> lot of
> A A A pretty interesting flat tappet camshafts but I'm not
> familiar with
> A A A their roller line. A If you don't have a cam card you really
> should
> A A A make your own and get the specification. A A degree wheel
> and
> A A A removing the front accessories and water pump is kind of a
> pain but
> A A A it really needs to be done.
> A A A That said, you can find TDC without doing all that work. A
> Just pull
> A A A a spark plug on #1 and find it. A Make sure it matches your
> harmonic
> A A A balancer. A It does sound like timing since you are having
> trouble
> A A A starting it when it is hot,
> A A A My stock 1971 motor made 255HP at the wheels. A Hydraulic
> stock
> A A A grind on the camshaft and 10.5:1 compression with stock
> heads. A The
> A A A CHI heads *could* give you more power but unless you know
> your
> A A A camshaft will take advantage of it, the stock heads are
> already
> A A A pretty darn good and you won't see that much with just a
> head swap.
> A A A A If you are running something like 0.055 lift or better
> with
> A A A aggressive duration, you should really be getting more power
> and it
> A A A would be carburetor and timing to check next.
> A A A Oh hey! A You're running solid rollers? A Maybe your tappet
> A A A clearance should be adjusted. A If they are running really
> loose
> A A A that would rob you of a lot of power. A It would make a lot
> of noise
> A A A too.
> A A A sean
> A A A On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Robert Stroj
> <[4][5]npdrs at maui.net>
> A A A wrote:
> A A A > A A A Hi,
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A First thanks to all for your suggestions and sorry
> for delay
> A A A on coming
> A A A > A A A back; was two weeks traveling without the internet
> A A A connection.
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A My engine is not the one that was in the car; it is
> a A 4
> A A A bolt 351C,
> A A A > A A A here are all the engine A spec as I got them from a
> previous
> A A A owner:
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Engine
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A CUI A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A
> A A A A A 351 Cleveland
> A A A 4V
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Heads A : A A A A A A A A A A Australian (3) valve
> aluminum
> A A A polished heads
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> A A A A A A A A
> A A A A ($1,995)
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A
> A A A A A A A A A Polish
> A A A ($175)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Intake A : A A A A A A A A A A Polished aluminum
> Hi-Rise ($525)
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A
> A A A A A A A A A Polish
> A A A ($175)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Carb A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A
> A A A 780 CFM Holley
> A A A 4-barrel carburetor
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> A A A A A A A A
> A A A A ($512.99 Inc Shipping)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Cable A A : A A A A A A A A A A PI MotorSport
> Throttle Cable ($155)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Valves : A A A A A A A A A A Stainless Steel
> Exhaust/Intake valves
> A A A ($900)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Cam A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A
> A A A ISKY Solid
> A A A Roller Camshaft with Lifters
> A A A > A A A ($275)
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> A A A A A A A A A A Custom
> A A A grind
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Rockers A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A A A
> A Roller Rockers ($275)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Chain A A : A A A A A A A A A A Duel Roller Chain
> ($57)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Exhaust A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A A A
> A GTS Coated Headers
> A A A and Mufflers ($850)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Water Pump: A A Aluminum High Flow ($208.65)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Radiator A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A A A
> A Aluminum Radiator
> A A A Assembly Pantera
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> A A A A A A A A
> A A A A Performance ($1,108.90)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Starter : A A A A A A A A A A High Performance
> Starter ($165)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Oil Pan A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A A A
> A 10 Quart oil pan
> A A A with windage tray
> A A A > A A A ($400)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Ignition A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A A A
> A Mallory Unilite
> A A A Distributor, Mallory
> A A A > A A A Coil, Mallory Spark
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
> A A A A A A A A A A Plug
> A A A Wires ($280)
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A What I am the most worried about is the thing that
> car dies
> A A A on idle
> A A A > A A A after being driven hard and then it is really hard
> to start;
> A A A once did
> A A A > A A A not start at all.
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A When hot like this it turns really hard, as if the
> battery
> A A A would be
> A A A > A A A low, but when cold it turns really well; my worry is
> that
> A A A bearings
> A A A > A A A could be really worn and once the oil gets thin it
> increases
> A A A the
> A A A > A A A friction inside the engine.
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A The oil pressure gauge drops really low; when hot
> idling it
> A A A just jumps
> A A A > A A A between 0 and 1/4 of the gauge.
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A It all looks like I will need to do a complete
> rebuild and
> A A A will be
> A A A > A A A looking to see which are good parts that I could
> successfully
> A A A reuse;
> A A A > A A A this is why Brent's motor configuration is really
> interesting
> A A A as it
> A A A > A A A uses same heads and intake manifold.
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A I just got a lead to person that had a racing team
> using
> A A A Mustang in
> A A A > A A A German Turing championship and is willing to help;
> hope to
> A A A meet him
> A A A > A A A next week.
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A All the best, Robert
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A From: Pantdino [mailto:[5][6]pantdino at aol.com]
> A A A > A A A Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:28 PM
> A A A > A A A To: [6][7]boyd411 at gmail.com
> A A A > A A A Cc: [7][8]npdrs at maui.net;
> [8][9]bjbstewart at yahoo.com;
> A A A [9][10]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad) truth
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A "Torque really means a lot more but the way the
> engine runs
> A A A and how the
> A A A > A A A car drives is a lot more important then any dyne
> numbers. "
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A HP is actually calculated from torque, and the HP
> number the
> A A A dyno guy
> A A A > A A A gives you is so full of "correction factors" it has
> to be
> A A A taken with a
> A A A > A A A grain of salt I think in terms of comparing it to
> what
> A A A someone else
> A A A > A A A gets on different dyno in a different city on a
> different day
> A A A on a
> A A A > A A A chassis vs engine dyno etc
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A -----Original Message-----
> A A A > A A A From: Boyd Casey <[1][10][11]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> A A A > A A A To: Pantdino <[2][11][12]pantdino at aol.com>
> A A A > A A A Cc: npdrs <[3][12][13]npdrs at maui.net>; Brent Stewart
> A A A <[4][13][14]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>;
> A A A > A A A detomaso <[5][14][15]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A A > A A A Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 5:05 pm
> A A A > A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad) truth
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Robert,
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Do you know if your 71 engine was the original
> engine that
> A A A came with
> A A A > A A A your Pantera? (a numbers matching engine). Around
> 90% of the
> A A A Cleveland
> A A A > A A A engines made were not "high performance" engines.
> This link
> A A A explains
> A A A > A A A how to help determine what type of engine yours was
> A A A > A A A originally. [6]Cleveland guide A even though your
> engine has
> A A A good heads
> A A A > A A A it may have low compression pistons. You will only
> know what
> A A A you
> A A A > A A A actually have when you get inside your engine. In
> the
> A A A meantime you can
> A A A > A A A do a compression check to make sure all your 8
> cylinders have
> A A A close to
> A A A > A A A the same compression. You should also start with a
> good tune
> A A A up. make
> A A A > A A A sure you have the right plugs, make sure your timing
> is set
> A A A correctly.
> A A A > A A A Depending on your cam a 7550 CFM carb may be to big
> for your
> A A A engine (
> A A A > A A A with a stock 351 ci displacement A and depending on
> your
> A A A pistons
> A A A > A A A compression ratio and your cam 750 cfm may be to
> big. Lots of
> A A A people
> A A A > A A A thing bigger is better. To big a carb will do much
> more harm
> A A A then good
> A A A > A A A when it comes to losing power. A You also want to be
> sure
> A A A your carb is
> A A A > A A A jetted and set properly. Getting the most out of an
> engine is
> A A A like
> A A A > A A A navigating. You have to know where you are , before
> you can
> A A A figure out
> A A A > A A A how to get where you want to go. So you have to know
> what you
> A A A have
> A A A > A A A before you can figure out how to get the most out of
> it! HP
> A A A numbers are
> A A A > A A A just numbers. Torque really means a lot more but the
> way the
> A A A engine
> A A A > A A A runs and how the car drives is a lot more important
> then any
> A A A dyne
> A A A > A A A numbers. You want a car wit good throttle response,
> a car
> A A A that revs up
> A A A > A A A quickly when you hit the gas. Find a local mechanic
> that
> A A A knows
> A A A > A A A Cleveland engines and preferably Panteras as well.
> Figure out
> A A A what you
> A A A > A A A actually have and how to maximize it before you
> start
> A A A throwing money at
> A A A > A A A it. There are lots of good books on how to build
> Cleveland
> A A A engines as
> A A A > A A A well as some great web sites dedicated to Cleveland
> engines.
> A A A A Check out
> A A A > A A A Clevelands forever (google it) or 351C.net. there
> are also
> A A A numerous
> A A A > A A A books available at Amazon.com. You can also find
> loads of
> A A A free info on
> A A A > A A A various forums on he web for free!
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Good Luck!
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A Boyd
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Pantdino via
> DeTomaso
> A A A > A A A <[7][15][16]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A It is a Holley vacuum secondary unit fitted by
> Steve
> A A A Wilkinson-- he
> A A A > A A A A A A said jetted for a Pantera.
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A -----Original Message-----
> A A A > A A A A A A From: Robert Stroj <[8][16][17]npdrs at maui.net>
> A A A > A A A A A A To: 'Brent Stewart'
> <[9][17][18]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>;
> A A A detomaso
> A A A > A A A A A A <[10][18][19]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 11:58 am
> A A A > A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad)
> truth
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A Hi Brent,
> A A A > A A A A A A Thanks a lot, this is really good info!
> A A A > A A A A A A What carburetor are you using?
> A A A > A A A A A A Cheers,
> A A A > A A A A A A Robert
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A From: Brent Stewart
> A A A [[1]mailto:[11][19][20]bjbstewart at yahoo.com]
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:32 AM
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A To: Robert Stroj;
> [2][12][20][21]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad)
> truth
> A A A > A A A A A A Hi Robert,
> A A A > A A A A A A I have the same CHI heads and intake. A Here
> are my build
> A A A specs
> A A A > A A A incase
> A A A > A A A A A A you want to utilize those in an engine update:
> A A A > A A A A A A ENGINE SPECS:
> A A A > A A A A A A Bennett Racing Dyno'd the engine and provided
> the spec
> A A A sheet. A The
> A A A > A A A 351C
> A A A > A A A A A A based 392 CID engine made 571 HP and 517 TQ @
> 5800 RPM.
> A A A A Here are
> A A A > A A A the
> A A A > A A A A A A details of the build:
> A A A > A A A A A A Parts list
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A SCAT 3.85 Crankshaft,
> internally balanced
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A SCAT 6.00 H Beam Rods
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Custom Ross Pistons
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Custom Bennett Racing
> Hydraulic Roller Cam
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Superformance Balancer
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Crane Link Bar Hydraulic
> Roller Lifters
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Comp Cams Pushrods
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Harland Sharp 4005 Roller
> Rockers
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A CHI 228 3V aluminum Heads
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A CHI high-rise intake
> A A A > A A A A A A Build specs
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Bore: 4.030
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Crank: 3.850 9000 series
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Cam: 3018F-3039B 112
> A A A > A A A A A A o A A Intake Lobe: 242 @ .050 .366 LL
> A A A > A A A A A A o A A Exhaust Lobe: 250 @ .050 .363 LL
> A A A > A A A A A A o A A Lobe Separation: 112
> A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Pushrods: 7.850 Comp Cams HD
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:06 AM, Robert Stroj
> A A A > A A A <[1][3][13][21][22]npdrs at maui.net>
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A A A A wrote:
> A A A > A A A A A A So, finally, my '71 Pantera got through all
> the import
> A A A procedures
> A A A > A A A and
> A A A > A A A A A A is now
> A A A > A A A A A A street legal in Europe/Germany!
> A A A > A A A A A A Car is in very good shape, zero rust anywhere,
> suspension
> A A A feels very
> A A A > A A A A A A good to
> A A A > A A A A A A drive (height adjustable koni set), brakes
> work well
> A A A (wilwood
> A A A > A A A A A A conversion),
> A A A > A A A A A A but there is something not right with the
> motor.
> A A A > A A A A A A Engine is a older 351C rebuild using original
> crankshaft
> A A A and
> A A A > A A A pistons.
> A A A > A A A A A A Some
> A A A > A A A A A A years later it was fitted with CHI 3V heads
> and intake
> A A A system, SS
> A A A > A A A A A A valves,
> A A A > A A A A A A 780 Holley and GTS exhaust system.
> A A A > A A A A A A When driving the cart was pulling well, but
> definitely
> A A A was not
> A A A > A A A feeling
> A A A > A A A A A A as
> A A A > A A A A A A 400-500HP car; this is what I was sort of
> expecting after
> A A A talking to
> A A A > A A A A A A person
> A A A > A A A A A A who rebuild the engine as well as previous
> owner...it did
> A A A not really
> A A A > A A A A A A feel as
> A A A > A A A A A A 300HP car...
> A A A > A A A A A A I had a chance to put it on the dyno at the
> friend's
> A A A garage and got
> A A A > A A A the
> A A A > A A A A A A following graph (please see the attached
> image); this are
> A A A graphs for
> A A A > A A A A A A adjusted power on the flywheel after
> recalculating looses
> A A A between
> A A A > A A A A A A engine and
> A A A > A A A A A A wheels.
> A A A > A A A A A A What was really interesting is that he had a
> chance to
> A A A test 2 other
> A A A > A A A A A A panteras
> A A A > A A A A A A recently; one was a client that had rebuilt
> engine using
> A A A some
> A A A > A A A "special
> A A A > A A A A A A parts", bt I am not sure of the actual spec
> while the
> A A A other one was
> A A A > A A A A A A black
> A A A > A A A A A A GR4 replica that is currently listed for sale
> in Germany
> A A A and was
> A A A > A A A built
> A A A > A A A A A A by
> A A A > A A A A A A Braun Motorsport:
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A > A
> A A A A
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> A A A A
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> A A A xt=fa
> A A A > A A A A A A lse&m
> A A A >
> A A A > A
> A A A A
> akeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchIn
> A A A Freet
> A A A > A A A A A A ext=f
> A A A > A A A A A A alse&ambitCountry=DE&negativeFeatures=EXPORT
> A A A > A A A A A A So, finally, my engine did not even reach
> 250HP, another
> A A A rebuild
> A A A > A A A A A A pantera
> A A A > A A A A A A motor did just over 300HP while Braun pantera
> did very
> A A A nice 389HP;
> A A A > A A A A A A there is
> A A A > A A A A A A also Ford GT40 with racing motor in there; it
> did 410hp
> A A A but at much
> A A A > A A A A A A higher
> A A A > A A A A A A RPM.
> A A A > A A A A A A The most impressive about the Braun car is how
> smooth the
> A A A power
> A A A > A A A curve
> A A A > A A A A A A is.
> A A A > A A A A A A So, now I am wondering where to go from here;
> could it be
> A A A that it is
> A A A > A A A as
> A A A > A A A A A A simple as wrong cam choice?
> A A A > A A A A A A If going to do a rebuild is there a good
> configuration
> A A A someone could
> A A A > A A A A A A suggest
> A A A > A A A A A A that would use CHI3V heads and intake, as I
> already got
> A A A those?
> A A A > A A A A A A As well, I had something strange happen twice
> with the
> A A A gearbox; it
> A A A > A A A got
> A A A > A A A A A A out
> A A A > A A A A A A of the 3rd gear by itself; would someone know
> if this
> A A A could be due
> A A A > A A A to
> A A A > A A A A A A any
> A A A > A A A A A A wrong linkage adjustment?
> A A A > A A A A A A Thanks, Robert
> A A A > A A A A A
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> om
> A A A > A A A References
> A A A > A A A A A A 1. [7]mailto:[17][25][26]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A A A A A 2.
> A A A > A
> A A A A
> [8][18][26][27]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera
> -g
> A A A ruppe-4-m
> A A A > A A A -hist-s
> A A A > A A A trass
> A A A > A A A A A A 3. [9]mailto:[19][27][28]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A A A A 4.
> A A
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> A A A A
> [12][22][30][31]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> A A A > A A A A A A 1. mailto:[23][31][32]bjbstewart at yahoo.com?
> A A A > A A A A A A 2. mailto:[24][32][33]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A A A A 3. mailto:[25][33][34]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A A A A A 4.
> A A A > A
> A A A A
> [26][34][35]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
> up
> A A A pe-4-m-hi
> A A A > A A A s
> A A A > A A A A A A 5. mailto:[27][35][36]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A A A A 6.
> A A
> A [28][36][37]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A A A A A 7. mailto:[29][37][38]npdrs at maui.net?
> A A A > A A A A A A 8.
> A A A > A
> A A A A
> [30][38][39]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
> up
> A A A pe-4-m-hi
> A A A > A A A st-strass
> A A A > A A A A A A 9. mailto:[31][39][40]DeTomaso at poca.com?
> A A A > A A A A A 10.
> A A
> A [32][40][41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A A A A 11. mailto:[33][41][42]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A A A 12.
> A A
> A [34][42][43]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A A _______________________________________________
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> [36][44][45]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A >
> A A A > References
> A A A >
> A A A > A A A 1. mailto:[45][46]boyd411 at gmail.com
> A A A > A A A 2. mailto:[46][47]pantdino at aol.com
> A A A > A A A 3. mailto:[47][48]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A A 4. mailto:[48][49]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A A A > A A A 5. mailto:[49][50]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A 6.
> A A A >
> A A
> A [50][51]http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-Fac
> ts-Inf
> A A A ormation-/10000000001410755/g.html
> A A A > A A A 7. mailto:[51][52]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A A 8. mailto:[52][53]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A A 9. mailto:[53][54]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A A A > A A 10. mailto:[54][55]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 11. mailto:[55][56]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A A A > A A 12. mailto:[56][57]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 13. mailto:[57][58]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A 14.
> A A
> A [58][59]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
> pe-4-m
> A A A -his
> A A A > A A 15. mailto:[59][60]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 16.
> [60][61]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A 17. mailto:[61][62]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A 18.
> A A A >
> A A
> A [62][63]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
> pe-4-m
> A A A -hist-s
> A A A > A A 19. mailto:[63][64]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 20.
> [64][65]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A 21. mailto:[65][66]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 22.
> [66][67]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A 23. mailto:[67][68]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A A A > A A 24. mailto:[68][69]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 25. mailto:[69][70]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A 26.
> A A
> A [70][71]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
> pe-4-m
> A A A -his
> A A A > A A 27. mailto:[71][72]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 28.
> [72][73]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A 29. mailto:[73][74]npdrs at maui.net
> A A A > A A 30.
> A A A >
> A A
> A [74][75]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
> pe-4-m
> A A A -hist-strass
> A A A > A A 31. mailto:[75][76]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 32.
> [76][77]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A 33. mailto:[77][78]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 34.
> [78][79]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A > A A 35. mailto:[79][80]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > A A 36.
> [80][81]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A >
> A A A > _______________________________________________
> A A A >
> A A A > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> A A A >
> A A A > DeTomaso mailing list
> A A A > [81][82]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A A A > [82][83]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A A A >
> A A A >
> A A A --
> A A A Sean Korb [83][84]spkorb at spkorb.org
> [84][85]http://www.spkorb.org
> A A A '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71
> Pantera
> A A A #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get"
> --Miller
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> -P.
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> A A 1. mailto:[88]npdrs at maui.net
> A A 2. mailto:[89]spkorb at gmail.com
> A A 3. mailto:[90]detomaso at poca.com
> A A 4. mailto:[91]npdrs at maui.net
> A A 5. mailto:[92]pantdino at aol.com
> A A 6. mailto:[93]boyd411 at gmail.com
> A A 7. mailto:[94]npdrs at maui.net
> A A 8. mailto:[95]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A A 9. mailto:[96]detomaso at poca.com
> A 10. mailto:[97]boyd411 at gmail.com
> A 11. mailto:[98]pantdino at aol.com
> A 12. mailto:[99]npdrs at maui.net
> A 13. mailto:[100]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 14. mailto:[101]detomaso at poca.com
> A 15. mailto:[102]detomaso at poca.com
> A 16. mailto:[103]npdrs at maui.net
> A 17. mailto:[104]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 18. mailto:[105]detomaso at poca.com
> A 19. mailto:[106]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 20. mailto:[107]detomaso at poca.com
> A 21. mailto:[108]npdrs at maui.net
> A 22.
> [109]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-
> A 23. mailto:[110]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 24. [111]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 25. mailto:[112]npdrs at maui.net
> A 26.
> [113]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m
> A 27. mailto:[114]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 28. [115]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 29. mailto:[116]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 30. [117]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 31. mailto:[118]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 32. mailto:[119]detomaso at poca.com
> A 33. mailto:[120]npdrs at maui.net
> A 34.
> [121]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m-hi
> A 35. mailto:[122]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 36. [123]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 37. mailto:[124]npdrs at maui.net
> A 38.
> [125]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m-hi
> A 39. mailto:[126]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 40. [127]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 41. mailto:[128]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 42. [129]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 43. mailto:[130]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 44. [131]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 45. mailto:[132]boyd411 at gmail.com
> A 46. mailto:[133]pantdino at aol.com
> A 47. mailto:[134]npdrs at maui.net
> A 48. mailto:[135]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 49. mailto:[136]detomaso at poca.com
> A 50.
> [137]http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-Facts-In
> formation-/10000000001410755/g.html
> A 51. mailto:[138]detomaso at poca.com
> A 52. mailto:[139]npdrs at maui.net
> A 53. mailto:[140]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 54. mailto:[141]detomaso at poca.com
> A 55. mailto:[142]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 56. mailto:[143]detomaso at poca.com
> A 57. mailto:[144]npdrs at maui.net
> A 58.
> [145]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m-his
> A 59. mailto:[146]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 60. [147]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 61. mailto:[148]npdrs at maui.net
> A 62.
> [149]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m-hist-s
> A 63. mailto:[150]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 64. [151]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 65. mailto:[152]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 66. [153]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 67. mailto:[154]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> A 68. mailto:[155]detomaso at poca.com
> A 69. mailto:[156]npdrs at maui.net
> A 70.
> [157]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m-his
> A 71. mailto:[158]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 72. [159]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 73. mailto:[160]npdrs at maui.net
> A 74.
> [161]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
> m-hist-strass
> A 75. mailto:[162]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 76. [163]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 77. mailto:[164]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 78. [165]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 79. mailto:[166]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 80. [167]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 81. mailto:[168]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 82. [169]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> A 83. mailto:[170]spkorb at spkorb.org
> A 84. [171]http://www.spkorb.org/
> A 85. mailto:[172]DeTomaso at poca.com
> A 86. [173]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> _______________________________________________
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> DeTomaso mailing list
> [174]DeTomaso at poca.com
> [175]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:andymay24 at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 3. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 6. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 7. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 8. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 9. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 11. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 12. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 13. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 14. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 17. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 18. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 19. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 20. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 22. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 23. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-panter
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> 25. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 26. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 27. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-g
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> 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 30. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 31. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 32. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 33. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 34. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 35. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
> 36. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 37. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 38. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 39. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
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> 42. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 43. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 46. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
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> 50. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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> 67. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> 70. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
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> 74. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 75. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-m
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> 77. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> 79. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> 81. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 82. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 83. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 84. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 85. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 86. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 87. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 88. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 89. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
> 90. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 91. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 92. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 93. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 94. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 95. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 96. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 97. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 98. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 99. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 100. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 101. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 102. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 103. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 104. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 105. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 106. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
> 107. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 108. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 109. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-
> 110. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 111. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 112. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 113. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-m
> 114. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 115. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 116. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 117. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 118. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
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I had the same issue and it was the connector on the sender. Installed
a nrw end on the wire, problem solved.
Michael Shortt
On Jul 18, 2014 7:02 AM, "Charles McCall" <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A I also have a mechanical gauge installed because I didn't like
what my
A A stock pressure gauge was telling me. It was doing weird things
that I
A A assumed couldn't be possible, such asA wildly fluctuating
pressure. In
A A fact my real pressure is rock solid as indicated by the
mechanical
A A gauge.
A A A
A A Another data point that the stock gauge may get flaky on you
and lead
A A you to incorrect assumptions
A A A
A A A
A A On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Andy May
<[1][2]andymay24 at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A A A A Robert,
A A A A A A Don't make the assumption that your oil gauge
indication bears
A A A any
A A A A A A relationship to what oil pressure you actually have at
the
A A A engine!
A A A A A A Speaking from personal experience, the problem may
very well be
A A A the oil
A A A A A A pressure sender. Mine was jumping around all over -
especially
A A A when hot
A A A A A A - which I could not understand with my reasonably
freshly built
A A A engine.
A A A A A A I replaced the electrical sender (a standard ford
part) and
A A A also fitted
A A A A A A an additional mechanical gauge via a T-connector just
as a
A A A means of
A A A A A A "positive checking" as I had lost confidence in the
electrical
A A A one.
A A A A A A Result - 55psi normal running and 40-45psi hot idle on
the
A A A mechanical
A A A A A A gauge and a much happier owner! The standard pantera
gauge
A A A continues to
A A A A A A present an approximation of pressure, but at least now
its a
A A A pretty
A A A A A A stable approximation!
A A A A A A I suggest you hook up a mechanical gauge and check
your oil
A A A pressure
A A A A A A with this before you tear into the motor.
A A A A A A Kind regards
A A A A A A Andy
A A A A A A On Jul 18, 2014 9:47 AM, "Robert Stroj"
<[1][2][3]npdrs at maui.net>
A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A Hi Sean,
A A A A A A A A Yes, as you pointed out it is a real problem that
I don't
A A A have the
A A A A A A A A specs.
A A A A A A A A As well, looking at the price, it seems to me that
they
A A A might not be
A A A A A A A A Solid Rollers; that price looks like it would fit
to regular
A A A solid
A A A A A A A A flat tappet lifters?
A A A A A A A A I got all the original receipts with the car and
tried to
A A A call
A A A A A A A A vendor of the cam to find out if he might have
somewhere any
A A A spec,
A A A A A A A A but based on receipt it was not possible to find
A A A anything...it is 10
A A A A A A A A years past since they were purchased; same was the
situation
A A A with
A A A A A A A A the head, so I do not know which SS valves are
used, spring
A A A rates or
A A A A A A A A which roller rockers are installed.
A A A A A A A A I guess, first I need to check if my bearings are
OK as I
A A A really
A A A A A A A A have a bad feeling with oil pressure showing
really low when
A A A engine
A A A A A A A A is hot.
A A A A A A A A Is there any way to check that short of pulling
the motor
A A A out and
A A A A A A A A opening the bottom; guess not?
A A A A A A A A Thanks, Robert
A A A A A A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A A A A A A From: Sean Korb [mailto:[2][3][4]spkorb at gmail.com]
A A A A A A A A Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:01 AM
A A A A A A A A To: [3][4][5]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of (sad) truth
A A A A A A A A It's hard to tell with a custom grind Isky. A They
make a
A A A lot of
A A A A A A A A pretty interesting flat tappet camshafts but I'm
not
A A A familiar with
A A A A A A A A their roller line. A If you don't have a cam card
you really
A A A should
A A A A A A A A make your own and get the specification. A A
degree wheel
A A A and
A A A A A A A A removing the front accessories and water pump is
kind of a
A A A pain but
A A A A A A A A it really needs to be done.
A A A A A A A A That said, you can find TDC without doing all that
work. A
A A A Just pull
A A A A A A A A a spark plug on #1 and find it. A Make sure it
matches your
A A A harmonic
A A A A A A A A balancer. A It does sound like timing since you
are having
A A A trouble
A A A A A A A A starting it when it is hot,
A A A A A A A A My stock 1971 motor made 255HP at the wheels. A
Hydraulic
A A A stock
A A A A A A A A grind on the camshaft and 10.5:1 compression with
stock
A A A heads. A The
A A A A A A A A CHI heads *could* give you more power but unless
you know
A A A your
A A A A A A A A camshaft will take advantage of it, the stock
heads are
A A A already
A A A A A A A A pretty darn good and you won't see that much with
just a
A A A head swap.
A A A A A A A A A If you are running something like 0.055 lift or
better
A A A with
A A A A A A A A aggressive duration, you should really be getting
more power
A A A and it
A A A A A A A A would be carburetor and timing to check next.
A A A A A A A A Oh hey! A You're running solid rollers? A Maybe
your tappet
A A A A A A A A clearance should be adjusted. A If they are
running really
A A A loose
A A A A A A A A that would rob you of a lot of power. A It would
make a lot
A A A of noise
A A A A A A A A too.
A A A A A A A A sean
A A A A A A A A On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Robert Stroj
A A A <[4][5][6]npdrs at maui.net>
A A A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A > A A A Hi,
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A First thanks to all for your suggestions
and sorry
A A A for delay
A A A A A A A A on coming
A A A A A A A A > A A A back; was two weeks traveling without the
internet
A A A A A A A A connection.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A My engine is not the one that was in the
car; it is
A A A a A 4
A A A A A A A A bolt 351C,
A A A A A A A A > A A A here are all the engine A spec as I got
them from a
A A A previous
A A A A A A A A owner:
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Engine
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A CUI A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A
A A A A
A A A A A A A A 351 Cleveland
A A A A A A A A 4V
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Heads A : A A A A A A A A A A Australian
(3) valve
A A A aluminum
A A A A A A A A polished heads
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A ($1,995)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A : A
A A A A A A A A A A A A Polish
A A A A A A A A ($175)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Intake A : A A A A A A A A A A Polished
aluminum
A A A Hi-Rise ($525)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A : A
A A A A A A A A A A A A Polish
A A A A A A A A ($175)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Carb A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A 780 CFM Holley
A A A A A A A A 4-barrel carburetor
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A ($512.99 Inc Shipping)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Cable A A : A A A A A A A A A A PI
MotorSport
A A A Throttle Cable ($155)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Valves : A A A A A A A A A A Stainless
Steel
A A A Exhaust/Intake valves
A A A A A A A A ($900)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Cam A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A : A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A ISKY Solid
A A A A A A A A Roller Camshaft with Lifters
A A A A A A A A > A A A ($275)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A A A Custom
A A A A A A A A grind
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Rockers A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A
A A A
A A A A Roller Rockers ($275)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Chain A A : A A A A A A A A A A Duel
Roller Chain
A A A ($57)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Exhaust A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A
A A A
A A A A GTS Coated Headers
A A A A A A A A and Mufflers ($850)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Water Pump: A A Aluminum High Flow
($208.65)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Radiator A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A A A
A A
A A A A Aluminum Radiator
A A A A A A A A Assembly Pantera
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A Performance ($1,108.90)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Starter : A A A A A A A A A A High
Performance
A A A Starter ($165)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Oil Pan A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A
A A A A
A A A A 10 Quart oil pan
A A A A A A A A with windage tray
A A A A A A A A > A A A ($400)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Ignition A A A A A A A A A A A : A A A A A
A A A A
A A A A Mallory Unilite
A A A A A A A A Distributor, Mallory
A A A A A A A A > A A A Coil, Mallory Spark
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A A A Plug
A A A A A A A A Wires ($280)
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A What I am the most worried about is the
thing that
A A A car dies
A A A A A A A A on idle
A A A A A A A A > A A A after being driven hard and then it is
really hard
A A A to start;
A A A A A A A A once did
A A A A A A A A > A A A not start at all.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A When hot like this it turns really hard,
as if the
A A A battery
A A A A A A A A would be
A A A A A A A A > A A A low, but when cold it turns really well;
my worry is
A A A that
A A A A A A A A bearings
A A A A A A A A > A A A could be really worn and once the oil gets
thin it
A A A increases
A A A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A > A A A friction inside the engine.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A The oil pressure gauge drops really low;
when hot
A A A idling it
A A A A A A A A just jumps
A A A A A A A A > A A A between 0 and 1/4 of the gauge.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A It all looks like I will need to do a
complete
A A A rebuild and
A A A A A A A A will be
A A A A A A A A > A A A looking to see which are good parts that I
could
A A A successfully
A A A A A A A A reuse;
A A A A A A A A > A A A this is why Brent's motor configuration is
really
A A A interesting
A A A A A A A A as it
A A A A A A A A > A A A uses same heads and intake manifold.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A I just got a lead to person that had a
racing team
A A A using
A A A A A A A A Mustang in
A A A A A A A A > A A A German Turing championship and is willing
to help;
A A A hope to
A A A A A A A A meet him
A A A A A A A A > A A A next week.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A All the best, Robert
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A From: Pantdino
[mailto:[5][6][7]pantdino at aol.com]
A A A A A A A A > A A A Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:28 PM
A A A A A A A A > A A A To: [6][7][8]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A Cc: [7][8][9]npdrs at maui.net;
A A A [8][9][10]bjbstewart at yahoo.com;
A A A A A A A A [9][10][11]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of
(sad) truth
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A "Torque really means a lot more but the
way the
A A A engine runs
A A A A A A A A and how the
A A A A A A A A > A A A car drives is a lot more important then
any dyne
A A A numbers. "
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A HP is actually calculated from torque, and
the HP
A A A number the
A A A A A A A A dyno guy
A A A A A A A A > A A A gives you is so full of "correction
factors" it has
A A A to be
A A A A A A A A taken with a
A A A A A A A A > A A A grain of salt I think in terms of
comparing it to
A A A what
A A A A A A A A someone else
A A A A A A A A > A A A gets on different dyno in a different city
on a
A A A different day
A A A A A A A A on a
A A A A A A A A > A A A chassis vs engine dyno etc
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A A A A A A > A A A From: Boyd Casey
<[1][10][11][12]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A A A A A A > A A A To: Pantdino
<[2][11][12][13]pantdino at aol.com>
A A A A A A A A > A A A Cc: npdrs <[3][12][13][14]npdrs at maui.net>;
Brent Stewart
A A A A A A A A <[4][13][14][15]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>;
A A A A A A A A > A A A detomaso
<[5][14][15][16]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A > A A A Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 5:05 pm
A A A A A A A A > A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment of
(sad) truth
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Robert,
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Do you know if your 71 engine was the
original
A A A engine that
A A A A A A A A came with
A A A A A A A A > A A A your Pantera? (a numbers matching engine).
Around
A A A 90% of the
A A A A A A A A Cleveland
A A A A A A A A > A A A engines made were not "high performance"
engines.
A A A This link
A A A A A A A A explains
A A A A A A A A > A A A how to help determine what type of engine
yours was
A A A A A A A A > A A A originally. [6]Cleveland guide A even
though your
A A A engine has
A A A A A A A A good heads
A A A A A A A A > A A A it may have low compression pistons. You
will only
A A A know what
A A A A A A A A you
A A A A A A A A > A A A actually have when you get inside your
engine. In
A A A the
A A A A A A A A meantime you can
A A A A A A A A > A A A do a compression check to make sure all
your 8
A A A cylinders have
A A A A A A A A close to
A A A A A A A A > A A A the same compression. You should also
start with a
A A A good tune
A A A A A A A A up. make
A A A A A A A A > A A A sure you have the right plugs, make sure
your timing
A A A is set
A A A A A A A A correctly.
A A A A A A A A > A A A Depending on your cam a 7550 CFM carb may
be to big
A A A for your
A A A A A A A A engine (
A A A A A A A A > A A A with a stock 351 ci displacement A and
depending on
A A A your
A A A A A A A A pistons
A A A A A A A A > A A A compression ratio and your cam 750 cfm may
be to
A A A big. Lots of
A A A A A A A A people
A A A A A A A A > A A A thing bigger is better. To big a carb will
do much
A A A more harm
A A A A A A A A then good
A A A A A A A A > A A A when it comes to losing power. A You also
want to be
A A A sure
A A A A A A A A your carb is
A A A A A A A A > A A A jetted and set properly. Getting the most
out of an
A A A engine is
A A A A A A A A like
A A A A A A A A > A A A navigating. You have to know where you are
, before
A A A you can
A A A A A A A A figure out
A A A A A A A A > A A A how to get where you want to go. So you
have to know
A A A what you
A A A A A A A A have
A A A A A A A A > A A A before you can figure out how to get the
most out of
A A A it! HP
A A A A A A A A numbers are
A A A A A A A A > A A A just numbers. Torque really means a lot
more but the
A A A way the
A A A A A A A A engine
A A A A A A A A > A A A runs and how the car drives is a lot more
important
A A A then any
A A A A A A A A dyne
A A A A A A A A > A A A numbers. You want a car wit good throttle
response,
A A A a car
A A A A A A A A that revs up
A A A A A A A A > A A A quickly when you hit the gas. Find a local
mechanic
A A A that
A A A A A A A A knows
A A A A A A A A > A A A Cleveland engines and preferably Panteras
as well.
A A A Figure out
A A A A A A A A what you
A A A A A A A A > A A A actually have and how to maximize it
before you
A A A start
A A A A A A A A throwing money at
A A A A A A A A > A A A it. There are lots of good books on how to
build
A A A Cleveland
A A A A A A A A engines as
A A A A A A A A > A A A well as some great web sites dedicated to
Cleveland
A A A engines.
A A A A A A A A A Check out
A A A A A A A A > A A A Clevelands forever (google it) or
351C.net. there
A A A are also
A A A A A A A A numerous
A A A A A A A A > A A A books available at Amazon.com. You can
also find
A A A loads of
A A A A A A A A free info on
A A A A A A A A > A A A various forums on he web for free!
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Good Luck!
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A Boyd
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Pantdino
via
A A A DeTomaso
A A A A A A A A > A A A <[7][15][16][17]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A It is a Holley vacuum secondary unit
fitted by
A A A Steve
A A A A A A A A Wilkinson-- he
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A said jetted for a Pantera.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A From: Robert Stroj
<[8][16][17][18]npdrs at maui.net>
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A To: 'Brent Stewart'
A A A <[9][17][18][19]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>;
A A A A A A A A detomaso
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A <[10][18][19][20]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 11:58 am
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment
of (sad)
A A A truth
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Hi Brent,
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Thanks a lot, this is really good
info!
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A What carburetor are you using?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Cheers,
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Robert
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A From: Brent Stewart
A A A A A A A A [[1]mailto:[11][19][20][21]bjbstewart at yahoo.com]
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:32 AM
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A To: Robert Stroj;
A A A [2][12][20][21][22]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Moment
of (sad)
A A A truth
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Hi Robert,
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A I have the same CHI heads and
intake. A Here
A A A are my build
A A A A A A A A specs
A A A A A A A A > A A A incase
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A you want to utilize those in an
engine update:
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A ENGINE SPECS:
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Bennett Racing Dyno'd the engine and
provided
A A A the spec
A A A A A A A A sheet. A The
A A A A A A A A > A A A 351C
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A based 392 CID engine made 571 HP and
517 TQ @
A A A 5800 RPM.
A A A A A A A A A Here are
A A A A A A A A > A A A the
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A details of the build:
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Parts list
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A SCAT 3.85
Crankshaft,
A A A internally balanced
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A SCAT 6.00 H Beam
Rods
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Custom Ross Pistons
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Custom Bennett
Racing
A A A Hydraulic Roller Cam
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Superformance
Balancer
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Crane Link Bar
Hydraulic
A A A Roller Lifters
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Comp Cams Pushrods
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Harland Sharp 4005
Roller
A A A Rockers
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A CHI 228 3V aluminum
Heads
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A CHI high-rise intake
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Build specs
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Bore: 4.030
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Crank: 3.850 9000
series
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Cam: 3018F-3039B 112
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A o A A Intake Lobe: 242 @ .050 .366
LL
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A o A A Exhaust Lobe: 250 @ .050 .363
LL
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A o A A Lobe Separation: 112
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A . A A A A A A A Pushrods: 7.850 Comp
Cams HD
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:06 AM,
Robert Stroj
A A A A A A A A > A A A <[1][3][13][21][22][23]npdrs at maui.net>
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A So, finally, my '71 Pantera got
through all
A A A the import
A A A A A A A A procedures
A A A A A A A A > A A A and
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A is now
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A street legal in Europe/Germany!
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Car is in very good shape, zero rust
anywhere,
A A A suspension
A A A A A A A A feels very
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A good to
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A drive (height adjustable koni set),
brakes
A A A work well
A A A A A A A A (wilwood
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A conversion),
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A but there is something not right
with the
A A A motor.
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Engine is a older 351C rebuild using
original
A A A crankshaft
A A A A A A A A and
A A A A A A A A > A A A pistons.
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Some
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A years later it was fitted with CHI
3V heads
A A A and intake
A A A A A A A A system, SS
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A valves,
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 780 Holley and GTS exhaust system.
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A When driving the cart was pulling
well, but
A A A definitely
A A A A A A A A was not
A A A A A A A A > A A A feeling
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A as
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 400-500HP car; this is what I was
sort of
A A A expecting after
A A A A A A A A talking to
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A person
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A who rebuild the engine as well as
previous
A A A owner...it did
A A A A A A A A not really
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A feel as
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 300HP car...
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A I had a chance to put it on the dyno
at the
A A A friend's
A A A A A A A A garage and got
A A A A A A A A > A A A the
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A following graph (please see the
attached
A A A image); this are
A A A A A A A A graphs for
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A adjusted power on the flywheel after
A A A recalculating looses
A A A A A A A A between
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A engine and
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A wheels.
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A What was really interesting is that
he had a
A A A chance to
A A A A A A A A test 2 other
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A panteras
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A recently; one was a client that had
rebuilt
A A A engine using
A A A A A A A A some
A A A A A A A A > A A A "special
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A parts", bt I am not sure of the
actual spec
A A A while the
A A A A A A A A other one was
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A black
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A GR4 replica that is currently listed
for sale
A A A in Germany
A A A A A A A A and was
A A A A A A A A > A A A built
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A by
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Braun Motorsport:
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A [2][4][14][22][23][24]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomas
o-pant
A A A er
A A A A A A A A a-gruppe-
A A A A A A A A > A A A 4-m-his
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A t-strass
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A enzul-neuaufbau-neuried-bei-m%C3%BCnche/159513949.html?lang=de&pag
A A A A A A A A eNumb
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A er=1&
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A __lp=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=creationTime&sortOption.sortOrd
A A A A A A A A er=DE
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A SCEND
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A ING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=7400&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreete
A A A A A A A A xt=fa
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A lse&m
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A akeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchIn
A A A A A A A A Freet
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A ext=f
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A
alse&ambitCountry=DE&negativeFeatures=EXPORT
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A So, finally, my engine did not even
reach
A A A 250HP, another
A A A A A A A A rebuild
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A pantera
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A motor did just over 300HP while
Braun pantera
A A A did very
A A A A A A A A nice 389HP;
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A there is
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A also Ford GT40 with racing motor in
there; it
A A A did 410hp
A A A A A A A A but at much
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A higher
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A RPM.
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A The most impressive about the Braun
car is how
A A A smooth the
A A A A A A A A power
A A A A A A A A > A A A curve
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A is.
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A So, now I am wondering where to go
from here;
A A A could it be
A A A A A A A A that it is
A A A A A A A A > A A A as
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A simple as wrong cam choice?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A If going to do a rebuild is there a
good
A A A configuration
A A A A A A A A someone could
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A suggest
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A that would use CHI3V heads and
intake, as I
A A A already got
A A A A A A A A those?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A As well, I had something strange
happen twice
A A A with the
A A A A A A A A gearbox; it
A A A A A A A A > A A A got
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A out
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A of the 3rd gear by itself; would
someone know
A A A if this
A A A A A A A A could be due
A A A A A A A A > A A A to
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A any
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A wrong linkage adjustment?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A Thanks, Robert
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A
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A A A A
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A A A om
A A A A A A A A > A A A References
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 1.
[7]mailto:[17][25][26][27]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 2.
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A [8][18][26][27][28]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-p
antera
A A A -g
A A A A A A A A ruppe-4-m
A A A A A A A A > A A A -hist-s
A A A A A A A A > A A A trass
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 3.
[9]mailto:[19][27][28][29]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 4.
A A A A A A
A A A A
[10][20][28][29][30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.c
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A A A A A A A A A
A A
A [12][22][30][31][32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca
.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A References
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 1.
mailto:[23][31][32][33]bjbstewart at yahoo.com?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 2.
mailto:[24][32][33][34]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 3.
mailto:[25][33][34][35]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 4.
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A [26][34][35][36]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pant
era-gr
A A A up
A A A A A A A A pe-4-m-hi
A A A A A A A A > A A A s
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 5.
mailto:[27][35][36][37]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 6.
A A A A A A
A A A A
[28][36][37][38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 7.
mailto:[29][37][38][39]npdrs at maui.net?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 8.
A A A A A A A A > A
A A A A A A A A A
A A
A [30][38][39][40]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pant
era-gr
A A A up
A A A A A A A A pe-4-m-hi
A A A A A A A A > A A A st-strass
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A A 9.
mailto:[31][39][40][41]DeTomaso at poca.com?
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A 10.
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A A A A
[32][40][41][42]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A A A 11.
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A A A A A A A A > A A A A A 12.
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A A
A [36][44][45][46]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > References
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > A A A 1. mailto:[45][46][47]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A 2. mailto:[46][47][48]pantdino at aol.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A 3. mailto:[47][48][49]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A A 4. mailto:[48][49][50]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A 5. mailto:[49][50][51]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A 6.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A
A A A A
[50][51][52]http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-F
ac
A A A ts-Inf
A A A A A A A A ormation-/10000000001410755/g.html
A A A A A A A A > A A A 7. mailto:[51][52][53]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A A 8. mailto:[52][53][54]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A A 9. mailto:[53][54][55]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 10. mailto:[54][55][56]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 11. mailto:[55][56][57]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 12. mailto:[56][57][58]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 13. mailto:[57][58][59]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A 14.
A A A A A A
A A A A
[58][59][60]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
up
A A A pe-4-m
A A A A A A A A -his
A A A A A A A A > A A 15. mailto:[59][60][61]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 16.
A A
A [60][61][62]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 17. mailto:[61][62][63]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A 18.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A
A A A A
[62][63][64]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
up
A A A pe-4-m
A A A A A A A A -hist-s
A A A A A A A A > A A 19. mailto:[63][64][65]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 20.
A A
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A A A A A A A A > A A 24. mailto:[68][69][70]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 25. mailto:[69][70][71]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A 26.
A A A A A A
A A A A
[70][71][72]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
up
A A A pe-4-m
A A A A A A A A -his
A A A A A A A A > A A 27. mailto:[71][72][73]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 28.
A A
A [72][73][74]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 29. mailto:[73][74][75]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A A A > A A 30.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A
A A A A
[74][75][76]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
up
A A A pe-4-m
A A A A A A A A -hist-strass
A A A A A A A A > A A 31. mailto:[75][76][77]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A > A A 32.
A A
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A A A A A A A A > A A 36.
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A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A --
A A A A A A A A Sean Korb [83][84][85]spkorb at spkorb.org
A A A [84][85][86]http://www.spkorb.org
A A A A A A A A '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60
Metro,'59 A35,'71
A A A Pantera
A A A A A A A A #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent
you get"
A A A --Miller
A A A A A A A A "Computers are useless. A They can only give you
answers."
A A A -P.
A A A A A A A A Picasso
A A A A A A A A _______________________________________________
A A A A A A A A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
A A A A A A A A DeTomaso mailing list
A A A A A A A A [85][86][87]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A A A
[86][87][88]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A References
A A A A A A 1. mailto:[88][89]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A 2. mailto:[89][90]spkorb at gmail.com
A A A A A A 3. mailto:[90][91]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A A 4. mailto:[91][92]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A 5. mailto:[92][93]pantdino at aol.com
A A A A A A 6. mailto:[93][94]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A A A A A 7. mailto:[94][95]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A A 8. mailto:[95][96]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A A 9. mailto:[96][97]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 10. mailto:[97][98]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A A A A 11. mailto:[98][99]pantdino at aol.com
A A A A A 12. mailto:[99][100]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 13. mailto:[100][101]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 14. mailto:[101][102]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 15. mailto:[102][103]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 16. mailto:[103][104]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 17. mailto:[104][105]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 18. mailto:[105][106]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 19. mailto:[106][107]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 20. mailto:[107][108]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 21. mailto:[108][109]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 22.
A A
A [109][110]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-
A A A A A 23. mailto:[110][111]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 24.
[111][112]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 25. mailto:[112][113]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 26.
A A
A [113][114]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m
A A A A A 27. mailto:[114][115]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 28.
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A A A A A 29. mailto:[116][117]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 30.
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A A A A A 31. mailto:[118][119]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 32. mailto:[119][120]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 33. mailto:[120][121]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 34.
A A
A [121][122]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m-hi
A A A A A 35. mailto:[122][123]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 36.
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A A A A A 37. mailto:[124][125]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 38.
A A
A [125][126]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m-hi
A A A A A 39. mailto:[126][127]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 40.
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A A A A A 41. mailto:[128][129]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 42.
[129][130]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 43. mailto:[130][131]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 44.
[131][132]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 45. mailto:[132][133]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A A A A 46. mailto:[133][134]pantdino at aol.com
A A A A A 47. mailto:[134][135]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 48. mailto:[135][136]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 49. mailto:[136][137]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 50.
A A
A [137][138]http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-F
acts-In
A A A formation-/10000000001410755/g.html
A A A A A 51. mailto:[138][139]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 52. mailto:[139][140]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 53. mailto:[140][141]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 54. mailto:[141][142]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 55. mailto:[142][143]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 56. mailto:[143][144]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 57. mailto:[144][145]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 58.
A A
A [145][146]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m-his
A A A A A 59. mailto:[146][147]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 60.
[147][148]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 61. mailto:[148][149]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 62.
A A
A [149][150]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m-hist-s
A A A A A 63. mailto:[150][151]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 64.
[151][152]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 65. mailto:[152][153]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 66.
[153][154]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 67. mailto:[154][155]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A A A A A 68. mailto:[155][156]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 69. mailto:[156][157]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 70.
A A
A [157][158]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m-his
A A A A A 71. mailto:[158][159]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 72.
[159][160]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 73. mailto:[160][161]npdrs at maui.net
A A A A A 74.
A A
A [161][162]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
uppe-4-
A A A m-hist-strass
A A A A A 75. mailto:[162][163]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 76.
[163][164]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 77. mailto:[164][165]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 78.
[165][166]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 79. mailto:[166][167]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 80.
[167][168]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 81. mailto:[168][169]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 82.
[169][170]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A A A 83. mailto:[170][171]spkorb at spkorb.org
A A A A A 84. [171][172]http://www.spkorb.org/
A A A A A 85. mailto:[172][173]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A A A 86.
[173][174]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A A _______________________________________________
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A A A [174][175]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A A [175][176]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
References
A A 1. mailto:[177]andymay24 at gmail.com
A A 2. mailto:[178]npdrs at maui.net
A A 3. mailto:[179]spkorb at gmail.com
A A 4. mailto:[180]detomaso at poca.com
A A 5. mailto:[181]npdrs at maui.net
A A 6. mailto:[182]pantdino at aol.com
A A 7. mailto:[183]boyd411 at gmail.com
A A 8. mailto:[184]npdrs at maui.net
A A 9. mailto:[185]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 10. mailto:[186]detomaso at poca.com
A 11. mailto:[187]boyd411 at gmail.com
A 12. mailto:[188]pantdino at aol.com
A 13. mailto:[189]npdrs at maui.net
A 14. mailto:[190]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 15. mailto:[191]detomaso at poca.com
A 16. mailto:[192]detomaso at poca.com
A 17. mailto:[193]npdrs at maui.net
A 18. mailto:[194]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 19. mailto:[195]detomaso at poca.com
A 20. mailto:[196]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 21. mailto:[197]detomaso at poca.com
A 22. mailto:[198]npdrs at maui.net
A 23. [199]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-panter
A 24. mailto:[200]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 25. [201]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 26. mailto:[202]npdrs at maui.net
A 27. [203]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-g
A 28. mailto:[204]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 29. [205]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 30. mailto:[206]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 31. [207]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 32. mailto:[208]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 33. mailto:[209]detomaso at poca.com
A 34. mailto:[210]npdrs at maui.net
A 35.
[211]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
A 36. mailto:[212]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 37. [213]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 38. mailto:[214]npdrs at maui.net
A 39.
[215]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-grup
A 40. mailto:[216]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 41. [217]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 42. mailto:[218]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 43. [219]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 44. mailto:[220]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 45. [221]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 46. mailto:[222]boyd411 at gmail.com
A 47. mailto:[223]pantdino at aol.com
A 48. mailto:[224]npdrs at maui.net
A 49. mailto:[225]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 50. mailto:[226]detomaso at poca.com
A 51.
[227]http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-Facts-In
f
A 52. mailto:[228]detomaso at poca.com
A 53. mailto:[229]npdrs at maui.net
A 54. mailto:[230]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 55. mailto:[231]detomaso at poca.com
A 56. mailto:[232]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 57. mailto:[233]detomaso at poca.com
A 58. mailto:[234]npdrs at maui.net
A 59.
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m
A 60. mailto:[236]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 61. [237]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 62. mailto:[238]npdrs at maui.net
A 63.
[239]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m
A 64. mailto:[240]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 65. [241]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 66. mailto:[242]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 67. [243]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 68. mailto:[244]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 69. mailto:[245]detomaso at poca.com
A 70. mailto:[246]npdrs at maui.net
A 71.
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m
A 72. mailto:[248]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 73. [249]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 74. mailto:[250]npdrs at maui.net
A 75.
[251]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m
A 76. mailto:[252]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 77. [253]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 78. mailto:[254]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 79. [255]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 80. mailto:[256]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 81. [257]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 82. mailto:[258]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 83. [259]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 84. mailto:[260]spkorb at spkorb.org
A 85. [261]http://www.spkorb.org/
A 86. mailto:[262]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 87. [263]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 88. mailto:[264]npdrs at maui.net
A 89. mailto:[265]spkorb at gmail.com
A 90. mailto:[266]detomaso at poca.com
A 91. mailto:[267]npdrs at maui.net
A 92. mailto:[268]pantdino at aol.com
A 93. mailto:[269]boyd411 at gmail.com
A 94. mailto:[270]npdrs at maui.net
A 95. mailto:[271]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 96. mailto:[272]detomaso at poca.com
A 97. mailto:[273]boyd411 at gmail.com
A 98. mailto:[274]pantdino at aol.com
A 99. mailto:[275]npdrs at maui.net
A 100. mailto:[276]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 101. mailto:[277]detomaso at poca.com
A 102. mailto:[278]detomaso at poca.com
A 103. mailto:[279]npdrs at maui.net
A 104. mailto:[280]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 105. mailto:[281]detomaso at poca.com
A 106. mailto:[282]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 107. mailto:[283]detomaso at poca.com
A 108. mailto:[284]npdrs at maui.net
A 109.
[285]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-
A 110. mailto:[286]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 111. [287]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 112. mailto:[288]npdrs at maui.net
A 113.
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m
A 114. mailto:[290]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 115. [291]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 116. mailto:[292]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 117. [293]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 118. mailto:[294]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 119. mailto:[295]detomaso at poca.com
A 120. mailto:[296]npdrs at maui.net
A 121.
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m-hi
A 122. mailto:[298]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 123. [299]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 124. mailto:[300]npdrs at maui.net
A 125.
[301]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m-hi
A 126. mailto:[302]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 127. [303]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 128. mailto:[304]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 129. [305]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 130. mailto:[306]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 131. [307]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 132. mailto:[308]boyd411 at gmail.com
A 133. mailto:[309]pantdino at aol.com
A 134. mailto:[310]npdrs at maui.net
A 135. mailto:[311]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 136. mailto:[312]detomaso at poca.com
A 137.
[313]http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-Facts-In
formation-/10000000001410755/g.html
A 138. mailto:[314]detomaso at poca.com
A 139. mailto:[315]npdrs at maui.net
A 140. mailto:[316]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 141. mailto:[317]detomaso at poca.com
A 142. mailto:[318]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 143. mailto:[319]detomaso at poca.com
A 144. mailto:[320]npdrs at maui.net
A 145.
[321]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m-his
A 146. mailto:[322]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 147. [323]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 148. mailto:[324]npdrs at maui.net
A 149.
[325]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m-hist-s
A 150. mailto:[326]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 151. [327]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 152. mailto:[328]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 153. [329]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 154. mailto:[330]bjbstewart at yahoo.com
A 155. mailto:[331]detomaso at poca.com
A 156. mailto:[332]npdrs at maui.net
A 157.
[333]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m-his
A 158. mailto:[334]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 159. [335]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 160. mailto:[336]npdrs at maui.net
A 161.
[337]http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gruppe-4-
m-hist-strass
A 162. mailto:[338]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 163. [339]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 164. mailto:[340]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 165. [341]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 166. mailto:[342]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 167. [343]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 168. mailto:[344]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 169. [345]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 170. mailto:[346]spkorb at spkorb.org
A 171. [347]http://www.spkorb.org/
A 172. mailto:[348]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 173. [349]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 174. mailto:[350]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 175. [351]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
DeTomaso mailing list
[352]DeTomaso at poca.com
[353]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
References
1. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
2. mailto:andymay24 at gmail.com
3. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
4. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
6. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
7. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
8. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
9. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
10. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
12. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
13. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
14. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
15. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
16. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
18. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
19. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
21. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
23. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
24. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pant
25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.c
27. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
28. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera
29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
33. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
34. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
35. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
36. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
37. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
38. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
39. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
40. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/detomaso-pantera-gr
41. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
42. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
43. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
44. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
46. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
47. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
48. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
49. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
50. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
51. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
52. http://www.ebay.com/gds/Ford-351-Cleveland-Engines-Key-Fac
53. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
54. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
55. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
56. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
57. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
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