[DeTomaso] Flare fitting question

Fri Jul 11 12:05:46 EDT 2014

 I don't think that is what I need.  My hoses have flare fittings. The condenser has a type of flair fitting that has a shoulder around the end of the flare that is not sealing against the flare of the AN connector.

I can't get through to CCS to ask them what kind of fitting they put on the condenser.  It is really strange that the lower fitting is a straight flare but the top fitting has this shoulder fitting.  I know they said they discovered that the fittings on the Pantera condenser were found to be the cause of leaks and that they were putting on different fittings to solve the problem but why only change the top fitting.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 11, 2014 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flare fitting question

Is this it:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hose-Adaptor-Kit-convert-O-ring-CONDENSER-to-take-aircon-flare-hose-fittings-P53-/251139343159

Ken

   From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 To: detomaso at poca.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:57 AM
 Subject: [DeTomaso] Flare fitting question

   Well my A/C condenser was delivered on Wednesday (thanks again to Ken
   Green) and I hooked it up that afternoon.  I had the system charged up
   with R-12 yesterday.
   The shop said the car held vacuum for half a day.   It was 84 deg and
   sunny when they charged it and they said they were seeing 29 deg air at
   the vents.   When I made the short drive home, I was seeing 19 deg air
   at the vents.  I was in hog heaven thinking that I've finally cracked
   the nut on my A/C.
   I parked the car and proceeded to wipe off all the dust that had
   accumulated on it over the last six weeks I've been waiting to get the
   condenser.  After I finished the outside of the car I went to wipe down
   the engine bay (it's painted).  I saw some very small droplets of
   something on the edge of the fan shroud next to the condenser fitting
   and when I went to wipe them off I could hear a faint hissing sound.  I
   called the shop and informed them of the sound and they said bring the
   car back.
   Side note.....My car had an aftermarket condenser on it when I bought
   it which had the top fitting coming straight out of the condenser
   (pointing to the right side of car).  The prior owner had routed the
   A/C hoses through the wheel wells so the hose fitting was made to mate
   up with the top fitting coming straight out of the condenser.
   The "OEM" condenser that Classic Condenser Specialists sells has the
   top fitting of the condenser turned down.  I didn't have enough hose
   length to get to this down turned fitting, so when I had the original
   condenser (that leaked) installed, the shop purchased a 90 degree AN
   connector to get from the down turned fitting on the condenser to my
   straight shot hose.
   When I got back to the shop (about a ten minute drive) we opened the
   deck lid and there was oil all over the AN connector where it connects
   to the condenser.  They quickly sucked out the remaining R-12 and
   proceeded to look at the AN connector.  At first they thought the
   connector failed put when they unscrewed if from the condenser they saw
   the the condenser fitting had a flare that was not what they expected
   to see.  At the end of the flare there is a shoulder at the end with an
   O ring behind it.  They wondered why it wasn't a straight flare.  By
   the way, the bottom condenser fitting was a straight flare.
   I attached a picture of the flare in question.  Can anybody tell me
   what type of connector I need to match this fitting?   I'm going to try
   and get CCS to answer the phone and tell me what type of connector I
   need but they haven't been answering my calls lately.
   I'm still mystified why the system would hold vacuum and not show the
   leak.  If I can solve my leaking connector problem, I think I'm home
   free.
   Thanks
   Tom
   5186

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   I don't think that is what I need.  My hoses have flare fittings. The
   condenser has a type of flair fitting that has a shoulder around the
   end of the flare that is not sealing against the flare of the AN
   connector.
   I can't get through to CCS to ask them what kind of fitting they put on
   the condenser.  It is really strange that the lower fitting is a
   straight flare but the top fitting has this shoulder fitting.  I know
   they said they discovered that the fittings on the Pantera condenser
   were found to be the cause of leaks and that they were putting on
   different fittings to solve the problem but why only change the top
   fitting.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Fri, Jul 11, 2014 10:47 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flare fitting question
   Is this it:
   [1]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hose-Adaptor-Kit-convert-O-ring-CONDENSER
   -to-take-aircon-flare-hose-fittings-P53-/251139343159
   Ken
   From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
   To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:57 AM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flare fitting question
     Well my A/C condenser was delivered on Wednesday (thanks again to Ken
     Green) and I hooked it up that afternoon.  I had the system charged
   up
     with R-12 yesterday.
     The shop said the car held vacuum for half a day.  It was 84 deg and
     sunny when they charged it and they said they were seeing 29 deg air
   at
     the vents.  When I made the short drive home, I was seeing 19 deg air
     at the vents.  I was in hog heaven thinking that I've finally cracked
     the nut on my A/C.
     I parked the car and proceeded to wipe off all the dust that had
     accumulated on it over the last six weeks I've been waiting to get
   the
     condenser.  After I finished the outside of the car I went to wipe
   down
     the engine bay (it's painted).  I saw some very small droplets of
     something on the edge of the fan shroud next to the condenser fitting
     and when I went to wipe them off I could hear a faint hissing sound.
   I
     called the shop and informed them of the sound and they said bring
   the
     car back.
     Side note.....My car had an aftermarket condenser on it when I bought
     it which had the top fitting coming straight out of the condenser
     (pointing to the right side of car).  The prior owner had routed the
     A/C hoses through the wheel wells so the hose fitting was made to
   mate
     up with the top fitting coming straight out of the condenser.
     The "OEM" condenser that Classic Condenser Specialists sells has the
     top fitting of the condenser turned down.  I didn't have enough hose
     length to get to this down turned fitting, so when I had the original
     condenser (that leaked) installed, the shop purchased a 90 degree AN
     connector to get from the down turned fitting on the condenser to my
     straight shot hose.
     When I got back to the shop (about a ten minute drive) we opened the
     deck lid and there was oil all over the AN connector where it
   connects
     to the condenser.  They quickly sucked out the remaining R-12 and
     proceeded to look at the AN connector.  At first they thought the
     connector failed put when they unscrewed if from the condenser they
   saw
     the the condenser fitting had a flare that was not what they expected
     to see.  At the end of the flare there is a shoulder at the end with
   an
     O ring behind it.  They wondered why it wasn't a straight flare.  By
     the way, the bottom condenser fitting was a straight flare.
     I attached a picture of the flare in question.  Can anybody tell me
     what type of connector I need to match this fitting?  I'm going to
   try
     and get CCS to answer the phone and tell me what type of connector I
     need but they haven't been answering my calls lately.
     I'm still mystified why the system would hold vacuum and not show the
     leak.  If I can solve my leaking connector problem, I think I'm home
     free.
     Thanks
     Tom
     5186
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References

   1. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hose-Adaptor-Kit-convert-O-ring-CONDENSER-to-take-aircon-flare-hose-fittings-P53-/251139343159
   2. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com