[DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
John Haas
jrhaas60 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 4 14:53:20 EDT 2014
One of the best videos on YouTube is WHY MARS IS HARD. Watch it and I think you'll agree.
John
> On Jul 4, 2014, at 1:10 PM, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Hmm? You have to be very careful about predictions. NASA predictions
> are based mostly on "funding."
> Tax payer funding. Big difference. JPL has 24 flying missions and 10
> instruments on other missions. We
> no longer do one mission at at time. And we are only 1 of 10 NASA
> centers. Prioritizing funding for those
> plus future proposed missions is difficult.
> I personally have worked on 9 Mars missions (Mars Observer, Mars Global
> Surveyor, Odyssey, MRO,
> Mars Exploration Rovers, Phoenix Lander, Mars Express & Beagle2 <ESA>
> and MSL) and I am working
> on InSight Lander and Mars 2020 right now. It is extremely difficult
> to get to Mars. We have never had a "return"
> mission from Mars. The Mars Sample Return mission has been killed many
> times due to funding constraints.
> I've worked on 2 sample return missions. Genesis and Stardust. NASA
> has had 3 sample return missions. You
> can guess what the other one was.
> It is possible, but Space-X will need to start 'today' investing
> billions into getting to Mars (and return) robotically
> and 10x that for human spaceflight. Just solving the radiation problem
> will be huge. The max 24 minute
> One-Way Light Time (OWLT) means the crew will be mostly on their own.
> To get the high data rates required
> for human spaceflight I would assume he intends to use our DSN
> Antenna's for Telecom? Building 70m antenna's
> are 100 million a pop and you will need 3 sites around earth (120 deg
> apart) with 2 antenna's at each site.
> You can do the math.
> And as a privately held company what is the ROI. I personally am
> excited that he is going for it. We work with
> vendors to build our spacecraft all the time. Lockheed, Orbital, Ball,
> Boeing, etc. It is mandated by Congress that
> we use and fund these vendors. The ROI for taxpayers is, of course,
> Technology Transfer.
> BTW Elon is not the only billionaire investing big $bucks in future
> spaceflight. James Cameron has invested in a
> startup in Seattle called "Planetary Resources" which will mine
> asteroids.
> If anyone is interested I have put a fun document to read called
> "Basics of Spaceflight." Very simple read.
> [1]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35164094/BasicsSpaceFlt2.pdf
> If you have kids or grandkids 9+ they
> might like to read it too.
> Enjoy
> Terry
>
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>
> to contact us!"
>
> Terry W. Himes [cid:0BBE2B03-24DA-467E-8F70-DBE0396D7743]
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
>
> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
>
> Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
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>
> [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:54 AM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <[4]asajay at asajay.com>
> Cc: "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
>
> There is no question that Elon Musk is a genius. Between his first
> commercial success (a video game he made as a teen ager), to Pay pal ,
> which made him a billionaire, to Tesla, Solar City, and Space -X (which
> I
> think is the coolest by far) the guy is absolutely brilliant. His fist
> Tesla roadster was made on the lotus Elise platform. His later models
> are
> proprietary designs. There 0-60 times are impressive. The 2013 model S
> sedan does 0-60 in 3.9 and the quarter mile in 12.4 sec !
> [7]http://www.zeroto60times.com/Tesla-Electric-Cars-0-60-mph-Times.html
> The
> 2013 model S broke the crash test machinery ! It had the best results
> ever
> recorded [8]http://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/
> His Space X rocket the Falcon 9 takes off, and the space craft (the
> dragon) travels to to the international space station( by robotic
> control )
> unloads supplies and brings back waste and experiments. It's missions
> so
> far have been unmanned but it can fly both robotically and by pilots
> (in a
> future version Dragon 2) The Dragon 2 space craft will eventually be
> able
> to carry a crew of 7 who will be able to have some limited control over
> the
> space craft. I think it's absolutely amazing that this has been
> accomplished by a privately owned company ( Space -X is not publicly
> traded) . Only in the U.S.A.! Tesla at a PEG of 2900 seems crazy , but
> there are many tech companies that have no PEG because they have still
> to
> operate at a profit!
> So who knows but it's a little to risky for my blood. But as an
> individual
> I think Elon Musk is a manto watch. He invested a huge portion of his
> own
> money into Space X and has predicted they will make a manned flight to
> Mars by 2026 ( that's 10 years ahead of NASA's prediction). He named
> his
> space craft Dragon after the peter , paul, and mary song "Puff the
> magic
> dragon" because critics said his Space -X rocket would never get off
> the
> ground!
> Boyd
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
> <[9]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> There were two Teslas that ran this year at the Nevada Open Road
>
> Challenge; one in the 105 class and one in the 95 class. Both
>
> finished. I'm told by course workers that all you heard was tire noise
>
> coming down the road.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
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>> On 7/3/2014 10:55 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote:
>>
>> I wasn't too impressed with BMWs electric, either. Or
>
>> Harley-Davidson's new electric bike. It has about a 50-mile
> range!
>
>> Chris
>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>
>> ________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>> From: [1]doug351c
>
>> Sent: 7/3/2014 10:22 PM
>
>> To: [2]Christopher Kimball; [3]Mike Thomas
>
>> Cc: [4]De Tomaso List
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
>
>
>> Tesla is flat out lying on its financial statements. It uses
> non-GAAP
>
>> accounting to get away with claiming they made a profit by selling
>
>> regulatory credits to other car makers. I wouldn't touch their
> cars
>
> or
>
>> their stock with a 10 foot pole.
>
>> Doug
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso [[5][13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf
> Of
>
>> Christopher Kimball
>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:52 AM
>
>> To: Mike Thomas
>
>> Cc: De Tomaso List
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
>
>> At Rotary yesterday the speaker was from BMW. He was talking
> about
>
>> their
>
>> new electric car, and the subject of Tesla came up. His opinion
> was
>
>> that
>
>> Tesla wasn't a large enough company to be viable on it's own, and
> that
>
>> Mercedes might buy it; this would also help Mercedes get their
> average
>
>> MPG
>
>> figures down to meet the coming CAFE standards. He said that
>
>> currently,
>
>> Mercedes is way over the requirements and could be facing large
> fines
>
>> when
>
>> the new regulations take effect.
>
>> I'm not sure if he is accurate, but it was interesting.
>
>> Chris
>
>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Mike Thomas"
> <[14]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>> You may have seen this one before, but it's still fascinating.
>
>> Looking
>
>>> forward to the next model, the SUV. Should come out just
> about
>
> the
>
>>> time we'll be looking for a replacement. Economies of scale
>
> should
>
>>> start making the price more attainable by then as well.
>
>
>>> Mike Thomas
>
>>> Subject: Tesla Car Assembly...
>
>
>>> Tesla Car Assembly...
>
>
>
>>> Henry Ford would not believe the present-day assembly line.
>
>
>>> Tesla Motors is an electric car company, out of San Diego,
> bent on
>
>>> turning the automotive motive industry upside down, both here
> in
>
>> the
>
>>> US, and world wide. The company was founded by Elon Musk (born
> 28
>
>> June
>
>>> 1971) is a South African-born Canadian-American business
> magnate,
>
>>> investor and inventor. He is currently the CEO & CTO of
> [1]SpaceX
>
>> and
>
>>> CEO & Chief Product Architect of [2]Tesla Motors. He is the
>
> founder
>
>> of
>
>>> multiple companies, most notably SpaceX, [3]PayPal, and Tesla
>
>> Motors.
>
>
>>> [4][15]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
>
>
>>> References
>
>
>>> 1. [6][16]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
>
>>> 2. [7][17]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
>
>>> 3. [8][18]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
>
>>> 4. [9][19]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
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> 2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 7. http://www.zeroto60times.com/Tesla-Electric-Cars-0-60-mph-Times.html
> 8. http://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/
> 9. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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