[DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 4 14:40:06 EDT 2014
Terry,
I am not knocking NASA , but I have to admire a guy with the talent and
imagination to pursue such "Lofty goals" Pun intended! Mr. Musk recently
appeared before congress ( since the Ukraine situation) and made a big
point of our dependence on the Russians for delivering US ( and all other)
astronauts to the ISS. (using their outdated technology) I'm sure he
realizes that he will need substantial Government investment or contracts
if he hopes to reach his goals. Certainly being provided access and use of
the US's tracking and communication facilities would play a huge part in
reducing space -X's capital outlay. A Billionaire who just wants to make
more money could do many things that have a greater potential for profit
then investing in privately held Space exploration endeavors . The fact
that he has an estimated $100 million of his own money invested in Space -X
shows some Jupiter sized Ballls! He has an estimate $5 Billion in tesla
holding 27% of the stock and a huge investment in Solar City. According to
forbes his estimated net worth is around $11.4 billion up around 47% JUST
THIS YEAR! So no matter how much of his "mars by 2026" is hype or how much
is based on his incredible optimism you have to hand it to this guy for
dong something right. And not spending his money on huge estates and
chasing women. He has a wife and children and seems really devoted to
advancing mankind through science and technology. We need more Billionaires
like him!
Boyd
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-26/as-tesla-shares-hit-250-ceo-elon-musk-makes-1-dot-1-billion
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hmm? You have to be very careful about predictions. NASA predictions
> are based mostly on "funding."
> Tax payer funding. Big difference. JPL has 24 flying missions and 10
> instruments on other missions. We
> no longer do one mission at at time. And we are only 1 of 10 NASA
> centers. Prioritizing funding for those
> plus future proposed missions is difficult.
>
> I personally have worked on 9 Mars missions (Mars Observer, Mars Global
> Surveyor, Odyssey, MRO,
> Mars Exploration Rovers, Phoenix Lander, Mars Express & Beagle2 <ESA> and
> MSL) and I am working
> on InSight Lander and Mars 2020 right now. It is extremely difficult to
> get to Mars. We have never had a "return"
> mission from Mars. The Mars Sample Return mission has been killed many
> times due to funding constraints.
> I've worked on 2 sample return missions. Genesis and Stardust. NASA has
> had 3 sample return missions. You
> can guess what the other one was.
>
> It is possible, but Space-X will need to start 'today' investing
> billions into getting to Mars (and return) robotically
> and 10x that for human spaceflight. Just solving the radiation problem
> will be huge. The max 24 minute
> One-Way Light Time (OWLT) means the crew will be mostly on their own. To
> get the high data rates required
> for human spaceflight I would assume he intends to use our DSN Antenna's
> for Telecom? Building 70m antenna's
> are 100 million a pop and you will need 3 sites around earth (120 deg
> apart) with 2 antenna's at each site.
> You can do the math.
>
> And as a privately held company what is the ROI. I personally am
> excited that he is going for it. We work with
> vendors to build our spacecraft all the time. Lockheed, Orbital, Ball,
> Boeing, etc. It is mandated by Congress that
> we use and fund these vendors. The ROI for taxpayers is, of course,
> Technology Transfer.
>
> BTW Elon is not the only billionaire investing big $bucks in future
> spaceflight. James Cameron has invested in a
> startup in Seattle called "Planetary Resources" which will mine asteroids.
>
> If anyone is interested I have put a fun document to read called "Basics
> of Spaceflight." Very simple read.
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35164094/BasicsSpaceFlt2.pdf If
> you have kids or grandkids 9+ they
> might like to read it too.
>
> Enjoy
>
> Terry
>
>
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> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:54 AM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
>
> There is no question that Elon Musk is a genius. Between his first
> commercial success (a video game he made as a teen ager), to Pay pal ,
> which made him a billionaire, to Tesla, Solar City, and Space -X (which I
> think is the coolest by far) the guy is absolutely brilliant. His fist
> Tesla roadster was made on the lotus Elise platform. His later models are
> proprietary designs. There 0-60 times are impressive. The 2013 model S
> sedan does 0-60 in 3.9 and the quarter mile in 12.4 sec !
> http://www.zeroto60times.com/Tesla-Electric-Cars-0-60-mph-Times.html The
> 2013 model S broke the crash test machinery ! It had the best results ever
> recorded http://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/
> His Space X rocket the Falcon 9 takes off, and the space craft (the
> dragon) travels to to the international space station( by robotic control )
> unloads supplies and brings back waste and experiments. It's missions so
> far have been unmanned but it can fly both robotically and by pilots (in a
> future version Dragon 2) The Dragon 2 space craft will eventually be able
> to carry a crew of 7 who will be able to have some limited control over the
> space craft. I think it's absolutely amazing that this has been
> accomplished by a privately owned company ( Space -X is not publicly
> traded) . Only in the U.S.A.! Tesla at a PEG of 2900 seems crazy , but
> there are many tech companies that have no PEG because they have still to
> operate at a profit!
> So who knows but it's a little to risky for my blood. But as an individual
> I think Elon Musk is a manto watch. He invested a huge portion of his own
> money into Space X and has predicted they will make a manned flight to
> Mars by 2026 ( that's 10 years ahead of NASA's prediction). He named his
> space craft Dragon after the peter , paul, and mary song "Puff the magic
> dragon" because critics said his Space -X rocket would never get off the
> ground!
>
> Boyd
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
>
> There were two Teslas that ran this year at the Nevada Open Road
> Challenge; one in the 105 class and one in the 95 class. Both
> finished. I'm told by course workers that all you heard was tire noise
> coming down the road.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 7/3/2014 10:55 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote:
> > I wasn't too impressed with BMWs electric, either. Or
> > Harley-Davidson's new electric bike. It has about a 50-mile range!
> > Chris
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: [1]doug351c
> > Sent: 7/3/2014 10:22 PM
> > To: [2]Christopher Kimball; [3]Mike Thomas
> > Cc: [4]De Tomaso List
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
> >
> > Tesla is flat out lying on its financial statements. It uses non-GAAP
> > accounting to get away with claiming they made a profit by selling
> > regulatory credits to other car makers. I wouldn't touch their cars
> or
> > their stock with a 10 foot pole.
> > Doug
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On> Behalf Of
> > Christopher Kimball
> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:52 AM
> > To: Mike Thomas
> > Cc: De Tomaso List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
> > At Rotary yesterday the speaker was from BMW. He was talking about
> > their
> > new electric car, and the subject of Tesla came up. His opinion was
> > that
> > Tesla wasn't a large enough company to be viable on it's own, and that
> > Mercedes might buy it; this would also help Mercedes get their average
> > MPG
> > figures down to meet the coming CAFE standards. He said that
> > currently,
> > Mercedes is way over the requirements and could be facing large fines
> > when
> > the new regulations take effect.
> > I'm not sure if he is accurate, but it was interesting.
> > Chris
> > On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > You may have seen this one before, but it's still fascinating.
> > Looking
> > > forward to the next model, the SUV. Should come out just about
> the
> > > time we'll be looking for a replacement. Economies of scale
> should
> > > start making the price more attainable by then as well.
> > >
> > > Mike Thomas
> > > Subject: Tesla Car Assembly...
> > >
> > > Tesla Car Assembly...
> > >
> > >
> > > Henry Ford would not believe the present-day assembly line.
> > >
> > > Tesla Motors is an electric car company, out of San Diego, bent on
> > > turning the automotive motive industry upside down, both here in
> > the
> > > US, and world wide. The company was founded by Elon Musk (born 28
> > June
> > > 1971) is a South African-born Canadian-American business magnate,
> > > investor and inventor. He is currently the CEO & CTO of [1]SpaceX
> > and
> > > CEO & Chief Product Architect of [2]Tesla Motors. He is the
> founder
> > of
> > > multiple companies, most notably SpaceX, [3]PayPal, and Tesla
> > Motors.
> > >
> > > [4]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. [6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
> > > 2. [7]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
> > > 3. [8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
> > > 4. [9]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
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> > 2. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> > 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <detomaso at poca.com>
> > 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
> > 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
> > 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
> > 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
> > 9. http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
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Terry,
I am not knocking NASA , but I have to admire a guy with the talent and
imagination to pursue such "Lofty goals" Pun intended! Mr. Musk
recently appeared before congress ( since the Ukraine situation) and
made a big point of our dependence on the Russians for delivering US (
and all other) astronauts to the ISS. A (using their outdated
technology) I'm sure he realizes that he will need substantial
Government investment or contracts if he hopes to reach his goals.
Certainly being provided access and use of the US's tracking and
communication facilities would play a huge part in reducing space -X's
A capital outlay. A Billionaire who just wants to make more money could
do many things that have a greater potential for profit then investing
in privately held Space exploration endeavors . The fact that he has an
estimated $100 million of his own money invested in Space -X shows some
Jupiter sized Ballls! He has an estimate $5 Billion in tesla holding
27% of the stock and A a huge investment in Solar City. According to
forbes his estimated net worth A is around $11.4 billion up around 47%
JUST THIS YEAR! So no matter how much of his "mars by 2026" is hype
A or how much is based on his incredible optimism you have to hand it
to this guy for dong something right. And not spending his money on
huge estates and chasing women. He has a wife and children and seems
really devoted to advancing mankind through science and technology. We
need more Billionaires like him!
Boyd
[1]http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-26/as-tesla-shares-hit-
250-ceo-elon-musk-makes-1-dot-1-billion
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Hmm? A You have to be very careful about predictions. A NASA
predictions are based mostly on "funding."
Tax payer funding. A Big difference. A JPL has 24 flying missions and
10 instruments on other missions. A We
no longer do one mission at at time. A And we are only 1 of 10 NASA
centers. A Prioritizing funding for thoseA
plus future proposed missions is difficult. A
I personally have worked on 9 Mars missions (Mars Observer, Mars Global
Surveyor, Odyssey, MRO,A
Mars Exploration Rovers, Phoenix Lander, Mars Express & Beagle2 <ESA>
and MSL) and I am working
on InSight Lander and Mars 2020 right now. A It is extremely difficult
to get to Mars. A We have never had a "return"
mission from Mars. A The Mars Sample Return mission has been killed
many times due to funding constraints.
I've worked on 2 sample return missions. A Genesis and Stardust. A NASA
has had 3 sample return missions. A You
can guess what the other one was.
It is possible, but Space-X will need to start 'today' investing
billions into getting to Mars (and return) roboticallyA
andA 10x that for humanA spaceflight. A Just solving the radiation
problem will be huge. The max 24 minuteA
One-Way LightA Time (OWLT) means the crew will be mostly on their own.
A To get the high data rates requiredA
for human spaceflight I would assume he intends to useA our DSN
Antenna's for Telecom? A Building 70m antenna'sA
are 100 million a pop and you will need 3 sites around earth (120 deg
apart) with 2 antenna's at each site.
You can do the math.A
And as a privately held company what is the ROI. A I personally am
excited that he is going for it. A We work withA
vendors to build our spacecraft all the time. A Lockheed, Orbital,
Ball, Boeing, etc. A It is mandated by Congress that
we use and fund these vendors. A The ROI for taxpayers is, of course,
Technology Transfer.A
BTW Elon is not the only billionaire investing big $bucks in future
spaceflight. James Cameron has invested in a
startup in Seattle called "Planetary Resources" which will mine
asteroids.A
If anyone is interested I have put a fun document to read called
"Basics of Spaceflight." A Very simple read.
[3]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35164094/BasicsSpaceFlt2.pdfA
A A If you have kids or grandkids 9+ theyA
might like to read it too.
Enjoy
Terry
"SometimesA IA think the surest signs that intelligent lifeA
A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
A to contact us!"
Terry W. HimesA [cid:0BBE2B03-24DA-467E-8F70-DBE0396D7743]
JPLA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: [4](818) 393-6261
Cell:A A A A [5](818) 653-8213
Fax:A A A A [6](818) 393-3147
[7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
d--od-,
From: Boyd Casey <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:54 AM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: "[10]detomaso at poca.com" <[11]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
There is no question that Elon Musk is a genius. Between his first
commercial success (a video game he made as a teen ager), to Pay pal ,
which made him a billionaire, to Tesla, Solar City, and Space -X (which
I
think is the coolest by far) the guy is absolutely brilliant. His fist
Tesla roadster was made on the lotus Elise platform. His later models
are
proprietary designs. There 0-60 times are impressive. The 2013 model S
sedan does 0-60 in 3.9 and the quarter mile in 12.4 sec !
[12]http://www.zeroto60times.com/Tesla-Electric-Cars-0-60-mph-Times.htm
lA A The
2013 model S broke the crash test machinery ! It had the best results
ever
recorded [13]http://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/
His Space X rocket the Falcon 9 takes off, and the space craftA A (the
dragon) travels to to the international space station( by robotic
control )
unloads supplies and brings back waste and experiments. It's missions
so
far have been unmanned but it can fly both robotically and by pilots
(in a
future version Dragon 2) The Dragon 2 space craft will eventually be
able
to carry a crew of 7 who will be able to have some limited control over
the
space craft. I think it's absolutely amazing that this has been
accomplished by a privately owned company ( Space -X is not publicly
traded) . Only in the U.S.A.!A A Tesla at a PEG of 2900 seems crazy ,
but
there are many tech companies that have no PEG because they have still
to
operate at a profit!
So who knows but it's a little to risky for my blood.A A But as an
individual
I think Elon Musk isA A a manto watch. He invested a huge portion of
his own
money into Space X and has predicted they will make a mannedA A flight
to
Mars by 2026 ( that's 10 years ahead of NASA's prediction). He named
his
space craft Dragon after the peter , paul, and mary song "Puff the
magic
dragon" because critics said his Space -X rocket would never get off
the
ground!
Boyd
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
<[14]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
There were two Teslas that ran this year at the Nevada Open Road
Challenge; one in the 105 class and one in the 95 class.A A Both
finished.A A I'm told by course workers that all you heard was tire
noise
coming down the road.
AsaA A Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[15]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
[16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
[17]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 7/3/2014 10:55 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote:
>A A A A I wasn't too impressed with BMWs electric, either.A A Or
>A A A A Harley-Davidson's new electric bike.A A It has about a 50-mile
range!
>A A A A Chris
>A A A A Sent from my Windows Phone
>A A A A A A __________________________________________________________
________
>
>A A A A From: [1]doug351c
>A A A A Sent: 7/3/2014 10:22 PM
>A A A A To: [2]Christopher Kimball; [3]Mike Thomas
>A A A A Cc: [4]De Tomaso List
>A A A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
>
>A A A A Tesla is flat out lying on its financial statements.A A It
uses non-GAAP
>A A A A accounting to get away with claiming they made a profit by
selling
>A A A A regulatory credits to other car makers.A A I wouldn't touch
their cars
or
>A A A A their stock with a 10 foot pole.
>A A A A Doug
>A A A A -----Original Message-----
>A A A A From: DeTomaso [[5][18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On
Behalf Of
>A A A A Christopher Kimball
>A A A A Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:52 AM
>A A A A To: Mike Thomas
>A A A A Cc: De Tomaso List
>A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla Car Assembly...
>A A A A At Rotary yesterday the speaker was from BMW.A A He was
talking about
>A A A A their
>A A A A new electric car, and the subject of Tesla came up.A A His
opinion was
>A A A A that
>A A A A Tesla wasn't a large enough company to be viable on it's own,
and that
>A A A A Mercedes might buy it; this would also help Mercedes get their
average
>A A A A MPG
>A A A A figures down to meet the coming CAFE standards.A A He said
that
>A A A A currently,
>A A A A Mercedes is way over the requirements and could be facing
large fines
>A A A A when
>A A A A the new regulations take effect.
>A A A A I'm not sure if he is accurate, but it was interesting.
>A A A A Chris
>A A A A On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Mike Thomas"
<[19]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>A A A A wrote:
>A A A A >A A You may have seen this one before, but it's still
fascinating.
>A A A A Looking
>A A A A >A A forward to the next model, the SUV.A A Should come out
just about
the
>A A A A >A A time we'll be looking for a replacement.A A Economies of
scale
should
>A A A A >A A start making the price more attainable by then as well.
>A A A A >
>A A A A >A A Mike Thomas
>A A A A >A A Subject: Tesla Car Assembly...
>A A A A >
>A A A A >A A Tesla Car Assembly...
>A A A A >
>A A A A >
>A A A A >A A Henry Ford would not believe the present-day assembly
line.
>A A A A >
>A A A A >A A Tesla Motors is an electric car company, out of San
Diego, bent on
>A A A A >A A turning the automotive motive industry upside down, both
here in
>A A A A the
>A A A A >A A US, and world wide. The company was founded by Elon Musk
(born 28
>A A A A June
>A A A A >A A 1971) is a South African-born Canadian-American business
magnate,
>A A A A >A A investor and inventor. He is currently the CEO & CTO of
[1]SpaceX
>A A A A and
>A A A A >A A CEO & Chief Product Architect of [2]Tesla Motors. He is
the
founder
>A A A A of
>A A A A >A A multiple companies, most notably SpaceX, [3]PayPal, and
Tesla
>A A A A Motors.
>A A A A >
>A A A A >A A A A [4][20]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
>A A A A >
>A A A A > References
>A A A A >
>A A A A >A A 1. [6][21]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
>A A A A >A A 2. [7][22]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
>A A A A >A A 3. [8][23]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
>A A A A >A A 4. [9][24]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
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>A A A A 3. [31]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
>A A A A 4. [32]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>A A A A 5. [33]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>A A A A 6. [34]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
>A A A A 7. [35]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
>A A A A 8. [36]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
>A A A A 9. [37]http://www.youtube.com/embed/8_lfxPI5ObM?rel=0
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1. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-26/as-tesla-shares-hit-250-ceo-elon-musk-makes-1-dot-1-billion
2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
3. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35164094/BasicsSpaceFlt2.pdf
4. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261
5. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213
6. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147
7. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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9. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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12. http://www.zeroto60times.com/Tesla-Electric-Cars-0-60-mph-Times.html
13. http://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/
14. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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29. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com
30. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
31. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
32. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
33. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
34. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
35. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors
36. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
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