[DeTomaso] Need Help

Boyd Casey boyd411 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 2 19:28:16 EDT 2014


Good Work Ken!


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:

>    I bought their evaporator and picked it up, they seemed like good
>    people.
>    I just talked to Davis and he said your condenser is there and ready to
>    ship, may not be till Monday.  I told him that we are all on the
>    forum to add a little heat.  You should be able to get him on the
>    323-569-9844 number.
>    Ken
>    From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>    To: detomaso at poca.com
>    Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:32 PM
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Need Help
>      I'm located in Iowa and having problems with a California vendor.
>      I'm at my wits end on resolving my problem so I'll see if anybody on
>      the list can help.
>      My situation is this;  I bought an A/C condenser from Classic
>    Condenser
>      Specialists (CCS) last year based primarily on communication with
>    Mike
>      Dailey that he had success getting his stock A/C working with their
>      condenser.  CCS sells on eBay claiming the condenser would fit in the
>      OEM fan shroud, which it did.
>      After payment they promptly shipped the condenser and I found out
>    they
>      shipped the early style which wouldn't fit my '73 car.  I called and
>      they were very helpful in shipping me the correct unit.  I had the
>      condenser installed and the A/C charged and the A/C was working very
>      well until a month later the condenser sprung a leak at one of the
>    180
>      degree connecting tubes on the side.  I could see the green dye and
>      bubbles coming out of the leak as all my escaping R-12 was
>    contributing
>      to the ultimate demise of mankind.
>      I called CCS up and Davis promptly answered the phone.  Davis said
>    they
>      would fix the leak and pressure test the condenser before sending it
>      back to me.  I got the repaired condenser back in less than two
>    weeks.
>      Although I was bummed that I had to go through the hassle and expense
>      of getting the condenser fixed, I was very impressed with their
>      customer support.  I got the condenser installed and the A/C charged
>    up
>      and again was seeing cold air out the vents but it wasn't long after
>      that the car was put away for winter.
>      After the long winter finally ended I got the car out of storage in
>      April.  We had a couple days where temps got into the 80s and I
>    noticed
>      the A/C wasn't as cold as it was before I put it away.  I took the
>    car
>      in to the place that does my A/C work and they said I lost a pound of
>      R-12 over the winter.  At first they couldn't find any signs of leaks
>      at the fittings or the compressor but then they noticed dirt on the
>      outside of the condenser.  The dirt was sticking to an oil film and
>      sure enough they found dye along the tubes near the place where the
>      leak was repaired.
>      I called CCS and again Davis promptly answered.  I told him what
>      happened and insisted they send me a new replacement and not attempt
>    to
>      do another repair.  He agreed and said they would ship me a
>    replacement
>      after they got mine back to verify the leak.  This conversation took
>      place on May 12.
>      I shipped them the condenser on May 20.  On May 30 I got a UPS email
>      notice that a shipping label had been generated by CCS.  I checked
>    the
>      shipping status for a week and it never showed that the condenser was
>      shipped.  After about 8 days I called CCS and talked to Davis.  I was
>      told summer was their busy season (makes sense) and that the label
>    was
>      generated in error and my condenser wouldn't ship until the following
>      week.  That week came and went so I called back and talked to Davis
>      again.  He told me told the condenser was scheduled to ship out the
>      next week.  That week came and went so I called Davis again.  He told
>      me that another Pantera condenser was returned and they determined
>    the
>      cause of the leaks was bad fittings and new fittings were being
>      received the next day.  I told them I was wanting to take the car to
>    a
>      show the end of June and they said they would be willing to three day
>      ship it.  That was over two weeks ago.
>      I've been trying to get through to CCS ever since.  I've called
>    almost
>      every day (several times a day), I've left voice messages, I've sent
>      emails but it was like they they disappeared from the face of the
>      earth.  When I bought the condenser last year I was trying to verify
>      that they knew what a Pantera was and that it would fit the fan
>      shroud.  Davis said they knew it fit because they make the condensers
>      for Steve Wilkinson.  In desperation I called Wilkinson yesterday to
>      see if he was having any problems with his supplier.
>      Steve heard me out and said he never heard of CCS.  I told them that
>      CCS told me they sell to him and that they were located at 10630
>    Santa
>      Fe Ave, South Gate, CA.  Steve said his condenser supplier was
>    located
>      in South Gate.  I gave him the telephone number I had been using to
>      call CCS but he said that isn't the number of his supplier.  He said
>    if
>      I was willing to hold he would call his supplier.  When he came back
>    he
>      told me he learned his supplier and CCS are one in the same.
>      Apparently CCS is the retail side of the business.  He even made a
>      statement that CCS should not have sold me the condenser. I told him
>      the CCS sells on eBay and advertise Pantera condensers as well as
>      condensers for other classic cars.  Steve gave me the phone number he
>      uses to call CCS and said the owners name was Albert.
>      I thanked Steve for giving me the number.  I immediately called the
>      number that Steve had gotten through on 5 minutes prior and got the
>      same voicemail greeting as I got using the other number.  I've tried
>      both numbers several times yesterday and today and again left voice
>      messages to have them call me back.
>      I'm convinced they are screening my calls and refuse to deal with me.
>      I don't understand why this is happening because all my conversations
>      up to the last were cordial and I thought they were forthright
>      explaining what was going on.  All I know is they got my money and my
>      leaky condenser and I ended up with nothing.
>      Meanwhile, my Pantera is just sitting in the garage as the summer
>    rolls
>      on.  There are some events coming up in July I really wanted to take
>    my
>      car to so I'm seeking any and all suggestions on how I might get this
>      resolved.
>      Here's the contact info for CCS:
>      Classic Condenser Specialists
>      10630 Santa Fe Ave
>      South Gate, CA  90280
>      323-569-9844 (this is the number listed on eBay and the one that
>    Davis
>      always answered.)
>      323-569-9916 (this is the number that Wilkinson gave me.  He told me
>      the owner's name was Albert)
>      If someone could stop by or call either number and see if CCS answers
>      the call and let them know I need to talk to them ASAP I would really
>      appreciate it.  If you do make contact please let me know.
>      I don't know what else to do.
>      Thanks for any and all help.
>      Tom Shinrock
>      5186
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   Good Work Ken!

   On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

     A  A I bought their evaporator and picked it up, they seemed like
     good
     A  A people.
     A  A I just talked to Davis and he said your condenser is there and
     ready to
     A  A ship, may not be till Monday. A I told him that we are all on
     the
     A  A forum to add a little heat. A You should be able to get him on
     the
     A  A [2]323-569-9844 number.
     A  A Ken
     A  A From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:32 PM
     A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Need Help

   A  A  A I'm located in Iowa and having problems with a California
   vendor.
   A  A  A I'm at my wits end on resolving my problem so I'll see if
   anybody on
   A  A  A the list can help.
   A  A  A My situation is this; A I bought an A/C condenser from Classic
   A  A Condenser
   A  A  A Specialists (CCS) last year based primarily on communication
   with
   A  A Mike
   A  A  A Dailey that he had success getting his stock A/C working with
   their
   A  A  A condenser. A CCS sells on eBay claiming the condenser would fit
   in the
   A  A  A OEM fan shroud, which it did.
   A  A  A After payment they promptly shipped the condenser and I found
   out
   A  A they
   A  A  A shipped the early style which wouldn't fit my '73 car. A I
   called and
   A  A  A they were very helpful in shipping me the correct unit. A I had
   the
   A  A  A condenser installed and the A/C charged and the A/C was working
   very
   A  A  A well until a month later the condenser sprung a leak at one of
   the
   A  A 180
   A  A  A degree connecting tubes on the side. A I could see the green
   dye and
   A  A  A bubbles coming out of the leak as all my escaping R-12 was
   A  A contributing
   A  A  A to the ultimate demise of mankind.
   A  A  A I called CCS up and Davis promptly answered the phone. A Davis
   said
   A  A they
   A  A  A would fix the leak and pressure test the condenser before
   sending it
   A  A  A back to me. A I got the repaired condenser back in less than
   two
   A  A weeks.
   A  A  A Although I was bummed that I had to go through the hassle and
   expense
   A  A  A of getting the condenser fixed, I was very impressed with their
   A  A  A customer support. A I got the condenser installed and the A/C
   charged
   A  A up
   A  A  A and again was seeing cold air out the vents but it wasn't long
   after
   A  A  A that the car was put away for winter.
   A  A  A After the long winter finally ended I got the car out of
   storage in
   A  A  A April. A We had a couple days where temps got into the 80s and
   I
   A  A noticed
   A  A  A the A/C wasn't as cold as it was before I put it away. A I took
   the
   A  A car
   A  A  A in to the place that does my A/C work and they said I lost a
   pound of
   A  A  A R-12 over the winter. A At first they couldn't find any signs
   of leaks
   A  A  A at the fittings or the compressor but then they noticed dirt on
   the
   A  A  A outside of the condenser. A The dirt was sticking to an oil
   film and
   A  A  A sure enough they found dye along the tubes near the place where
   the
   A  A  A leak was repaired.
   A  A  A I called CCS and again Davis promptly answered. A I told him
   what
   A  A  A happened and insisted they send me a new replacement and not
   attempt
   A  A to
   A  A  A do another repair. A He agreed and said they would ship me a
   A  A replacement
   A  A  A after they got mine back to verify the leak. A This
   conversation took
   A  A  A place on May 12.
   A  A  A I shipped them the condenser on May 20. A On May 30 I got a UPS
   email
   A  A  A notice that a shipping label had been generated by CCS. A I
   checked
   A  A the
   A  A  A shipping status for a week and it never showed that the
   condenser was
   A  A  A shipped. A After about 8 days I called CCS and talked to Davis.
   A I was
   A  A  A told summer was their busy season (makes sense) and that the
   label
   A  A was
   A  A  A generated in error and my condenser wouldn't ship until the
   following
   A  A  A week. A That week came and went so I called back and talked to
   Davis
   A  A  A again. A He told me told the condenser was scheduled to ship
   out the
   A  A  A next week. A That week came and went so I called Davis again.
   A He told
   A  A  A me that another Pantera condenser was returned and they
   determined
   A  A the
   A  A  A cause of the leaks was bad fittings and new fittings were being
   A  A  A received the next day. A I told them I was wanting to take the
   car to
   A  A a
   A  A  A show the end of June and they said they would be willing to
   three day
   A  A  A ship it. A That was over two weeks ago.
   A  A  A I've been trying to get through to CCS ever since. A I've
   called
   A  A almost
   A  A  A every day (several times a day), I've left voice messages, I've
   sent
   A  A  A emails but it was like they they disappeared from the face of
   the
   A  A  A earth. A When I bought the condenser last year I was trying to
   verify
   A  A  A that they knew what a Pantera was and that it would fit the fan
   A  A  A shroud. A Davis said they knew it fit because they make the
   condensers
   A  A  A for Steve Wilkinson. A In desperation I called Wilkinson
   yesterday to
   A  A  A see if he was having any problems with his supplier.
   A  A  A Steve heard me out and said he never heard of CCS. A I told
   them that
   A  A  A CCS told me they sell to him and that they were located at
   10630
   A  A Santa
   A  A  A Fe Ave, South Gate, CA. A Steve said his condenser supplier was
   A  A located
   A  A  A in South Gate. A I gave him the telephone number I had been
   using to
   A  A  A call CCS but he said that isn't the number of his supplier.
   A He said
   A  A if
   A  A  A I was willing to hold he would call his supplier. A When he
   came back
   A  A he
   A  A  A told me he learned his supplier and CCS are one in the same.
   A  A  A Apparently CCS is the retail side of the business. A He even
   made a
   A  A  A statement that CCS should not have sold me the condenser. I
   told him
   A  A  A the CCS sells on eBay and advertise Pantera condensers as well
   as
   A  A  A condensers for other classic cars. A Steve gave me the phone
   number he
   A  A  A uses to call CCS and said the owners name was Albert.
   A  A  A I thanked Steve for giving me the number. A I immediately
   called the
   A  A  A number that Steve had gotten through on 5 minutes prior and got
   the
   A  A  A same voicemail greeting as I got using the other number. A I've
   tried
   A  A  A both numbers several times yesterday and today and again left
   voice
   A  A  A messages to have them call me back.
   A  A  A I'm convinced they are screening my calls and refuse to deal
   with me.
   A  A  A I don't understand why this is happening because all my
   conversations
   A  A  A up to the last were cordial and I thought they were forthright
   A  A  A explaining what was going on. A All I know is they got my money
   and my
   A  A  A leaky condenser and I ended up with nothing.
   A  A  A Meanwhile, my Pantera is just sitting in the garage as the
   summer
   A  A rolls
   A  A  A on. A There are some events coming up in July I really wanted
   to take
   A  A my
   A  A  A car to so I'm seeking any and all suggestions on how I might
   get this
   A  A  A resolved.
   A  A  A Here's the contact info for CCS:
   A  A  A Classic Condenser Specialists
   A  A  A 10630 Santa Fe Ave
   A  A  A South Gate, CA A 90280
   A  A  A 323-569-9844 (this is the number listed on eBay and the one
   that
   A  A Davis
   A  A  A always answered.)
   A  A  A 323-569-9916 (this is the number that Wilkinson gave me. A He
   told me
   A  A  A the owner's name was Albert)
   A  A  A If someone could stop by or call either number and see if CCS
   answers
   A  A  A the call and let them know I need to talk to them ASAP I would
   really
   A  A  A appreciate it. A If you do make contact please let me know.
   A  A  A I don't know what else to do.
   A  A  A Thanks for any and all help.
   A  A  A Tom Shinrock
   A  A  A 5186

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