[DeTomaso] Stack injection units
Kirby Schrader
kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Wed Jul 2 16:26:07 EDT 2014
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:36 PM, David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> Kirby,
>
> I believe most of the ECU’s on the market have had USB connectivity for
> some time. I hear you re: serial port adapters. I’ve been there too : - (
>
Well, I'm obviously back in the dark ages. Even though I've had the ECU for
'only' 7 years....
Time flies when you're having fun and spending money.
> I’m pretty sure the performance of the short TB’s + injector blocks is
> about the same as tall TB’s because the critical distance, from throttle
> plate to intake valve, is about the same.
>
Fair enough. The 'short' system that PPC used to sell didn't perform as
well as the tall one according to Quella.
Even USB ports are old school. New ECU’s will likely connect wirelessly via
> Bluetooth and you’ll download an App to your iPad for tuning! Autotrend EFI
> has wireless modems they send to their clients who are having trouble with
> tuning. That way, Autotrend can play with the calibration remotely, while
> the customer’s driving the car around.
>
All I can say to that is wow... I have told 'carburetor guys' who tell me
EFI is too complicated, hey... can you adjust your idle jets while sitting
at the stoplight?
Remotely tuning while driving around is certainly the optimum. Besides, I
wouldn't get car sick while staring at a screen while my son is driving!
Thanks for the feedback.
Kirby
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* Kirby Schrader [mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:48 AM
> *To:* David Nunn
> *Cc:* Panteras
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
>
>
>
> David,
>
>
>
> Now *THAT *is very purty!
>
>
>
> It'd be really nice to be able to try all the different ECU's and see
> which one is 'best'...
>
> Trouble is, not only do you have the cost of purchase, but you have to
> re-wire each time, too.
>
>
>
> Technology marches on. Electromotive now has, believe it or not, USB
> connectivity!
>
> Mine are all DB9 serial plugs which require an adapter and not all
> adapters are equal.
>
> Ask me how I know...
>
>
>
> Thanks for the picture. That's definitely cool.
>
> Question: How's performance compared to the taller throttle bodies?
>
> Just curious....
>
>
>
> Kirby
>
>
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> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM, David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
>
> I have one of Kelly's intake manifolds on a 9.5" Fontana block with
> C302B heads. I'm also using IPSCO's 54mm low profile throttle bodies;
> however, in an effort to mount the injectors in a better position, we
> filled the injector bosses in the manifold and installed a set of
> IPSCO's injector blocks, with the injectors and fuel rails now mounted
> in the middle of the manifold. With low profile stacks and low profile
> air cleaners, it all fits below the deck lid ... barely.
>
>
> I had an Accel DFI, 4bbl EFI system, tuned and set-up by Dennis
> Quella's Accel guru, Dave Ehrlich at Autotrend EFI in Northern
> California. It ran great but I couldn't resist the temptation to go IR.
> In fact, it's my old 4bbl manifold that Kelly's been using to de-bug
> his EFI. Dave recently convinced me to switch to Holley's new Dominator
> ECU as it's loaded with the newest technology and tons of features that
> are perfect for a Pantera EFI system. It has dual O2 sensor inputs and
> drivers for individual coil-on-plug setups, all built-in. In fact,
> Autotrend EFI was so impressed by the Holley ECU's, they are now
> officially a Holley EFI dealer.
>
>
> The feature of Electromotive's TEC ECU's that makes them ideal for IR
> systems, is the ability to blend Speed Density and Alpha-N fueling
> strategies. The new Holley Dominator has this feature as well.
>
> Dave
>
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:36 PM, David Nunn <[1]dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
Kirby,
I believe most of the ECUas on the market have had USB connectivity for
some time. I hear you re: serial port adapters. Iave been there too A :
- (
Well, I'm obviously back in the dark ages. Even though I've had the ECU
for 'only' 7 years....
Time flies when you're having fun and spending money.
A
Iam pretty sure the performance of the short TBas + injector blocks is
about the same as tall TBas because the critical distance, from
throttle plate to intake valve, is about the same.
Fair enough. The 'short' system that PPC used to sell didn't perform as
well as the tall one according to Quella.
Even USB ports are old school. New ECUas will likely connect wirelessly
via Bluetooth and youall download an App to your iPad for tuning!
Autotrend EFI has wireless modems they send to their clients who are
having trouble with tuning. That way, Autotrend can play with the
calibration remotely, while the customeras driving the car around.
All I can say to that is wow... I have told 'carburetor guys' who tell
me EFI is too complicated, hey... can you adjust your idle jets while
sitting at the stoplight?
Remotely tuning while driving around is certainly the optimum. Besides,
I wouldn't get car sick while staring at a screen while my son is
driving!
Thanks for the feedback.
Kirby
A A
A
Dave
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A
From: Kirby Schrader [mailto:[2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:48 AM
To: David Nunn
Cc: Panteras
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
A
David,
A
Now THAT is very purty!
A
It'd be really nice to be able to try all the different ECU's and see
which one is 'best'...
Trouble is, not only do you have the cost of purchase, but you have to
re-wire each time, too.
A
Technology marches on. Electromotive now has, believe it or not, USB
connectivity!
Mine are all DB9 serial plugs which require an adapter and not all
adapters are equal.
Ask me how I know...
A
Thanks for the picture. That's definitely cool.
Question: How's performance compared to the taller throttle bodies?
Just curious....
A
Kirby
A
A
A
A
A
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM, David Nunn <[3]dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
A A Dan,
A A I have one of Kelly's intake manifolds on a 9.5" Fontana block
with
A A C302B heads. I'm also using IPSCO's 54mm low profile throttle
bodies;
A A however, in an effort to mount the injectors in a better position,
we
A A filled the injector bosses in the manifold and installed a set of
A A IPSCO's injector blocks, with the injectors and fuel rails now
mounted
A A in the middle of the manifold. With low profile stacks and low
profile
A A air cleaners, it all fits below the deck lid ... barely.
A A I had an Accel DFI, 4bbl EFI system, tuned and set-up by Dennis
A A Quella's Accel guru, Dave Ehrlich at Autotrend EFI in Northern
A A California. It ran great but I couldn't resist the temptation to
go IR.
A A In fact, it's my old 4bbl manifold that Kelly's been using to
de-bug
A A his EFI. Dave recently convinced me to switch to Holley's new
Dominator
A A ECU as it's loaded with the newest technology and tons of features
that
A A are perfect for a Pantera EFI system. It has dual O2 sensor inputs
and
A A drivers for individual coil-on-plug setups, all built-in. In fact,
A A Autotrend EFI was so impressed by the Holley ECU's, they are now
A A officially a Holley EFI dealer.
A A The feature of Electromotive's TEC ECU's that makes them ideal for
IR
A A systems, is the ability to blend Speed Density and Alpha-N fueling
A A strategies. The new Holley Dominator has this feature as well.
A A Dave
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