[DeTomaso] Stack injection units
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jderyke at aol.com
Tue Jul 1 16:30:39 EDT 2014
Haven't been following this thread, but I remember when Roger Sharp installed a Quella EFI system 15 yrs ago, he had trouble getting a consistent idle with a side-pull throttle. It turned out in his case that his SVO aluminum heads were expanding with heat and the throttle link from one head to the other was being pulled on by the expanding castings. In typical Roger-style, he fabricated a steel brace between the heads right at the point where the cross-link attached, which fixed his ever-increasing idle rpms. I certainly would have fixed it differently, but can't complain about what worked....
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From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: Panteras <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
>A Any other considerations one should be aware of?
There are tall units like the ones using the TWM/Borla throttle bodies
(with integral injector pockets) and there are low profile units which
use low profile throttle plates like the ones Ipsco makes and mount the
injectors in bungs in the intake manifold. The tall units require
notching of the decklid to clear the rear throttle bodies but have a
better injector location (distance from the intake valve).A A The
set-ups using the low profile throttle plates fit under the decklid if
you run the short stacks. Large injectors don't idle as well as smaller
injectors so some set ups run 16 injectors with 8 small intake mounted
injectors which handle idle and cruise and 8 throttle body mounted
injectors for WOT.
If the throttle bodies are too small, they can become restrictive.A 48
mm IDA Webers start to become restrictive at around 480 HP or so.A 48
mm EFI throttle bodies flow somewhat more since they don't have
venturis blocking air flow.A A good rule of thumb is to size the
throttle plate to be similar in size to the intake valve.A The typical
Cleveland intake valve is 2.19" = 55.626 mm. Origially Ipsco made only
48 mm and 50 mm throttle plates but made a run of 54 mm for Kelly
Coffield.A TWM had 58 mm throttle bodies but those may require
alterations to some Weber intakes.A Also, the overall induction length
(from valve to stack bellmouth) should be matched to the cam (and
ideally the header) specs.A A non-linear throttle linkage is a must.
You will need an intake manifold that matches your choice of heads and
block deck height.A As far as I know there are four choices of intakes
to match different Cleveland heads.A Hall has (or had) both 4V port
and Ford Motorsport A3 high port Weber intakes.A Kelly Coffield also
made a run of high port intakes with integral injector pockets to suit
A3, B351 and C302B heads but I believe all are sold or spoken for at
this point.A There is/was also a low profile 2V Weber intake from
Australia but be aware it was designed for IDF not IDA bolt pattern.
>A I like both TEC units. They work.
To date, we have not been successful in getting Kelly's Electromotive
unit sorted.A We swapped ECU's, software, various hardware bits, etcs
all to no avail.A Mike Trusty even came in to do some diagnostics but
was unable to find the problem.A Kelly's engine runs well on a single
carb, making over 600 HP but we're unable to make the Electromotive
unit provide the required fuel across the RPM range.A It's not the
independent runner manifolding either, since it does the same thing
with a EFI-converted single plane intake manifold.A The project got
back-burnered but, the plan is to start over from scratch with my
Fontana and Electromotive unit.
Dan Jones
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Kirby Schrader
<[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Yep. TWM was bought out by Borla some time ago. Three years?
Maybe
A A more.
A A Gary is still there though and very helpful.
A A I like the TWM throttle bodies. I have them on my Pantera and
my GT40.
A A The Pantera has older style throttle bodies which were supplied
in the
A A mid-90's by Quella with an old F9 Haltech EFI system.
A
A [1][2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/tws/tws2/kirb
yefi.jpg
A A The fuel rails are on the outside, as you can see.
A A I honestly don't know if Quella still does the EFI systems.
Last time I
A A talked to him he sorta' indicated he no longer does.
A A You'd have to check.
A A When the ancient F9 in the Pantera let all the smoke out, I
replaced it
A A with an Electromotive TEC GT.
A A The GT40 has an Electromotive TEC3r.
A
A [2][3]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/GT40/files/p5
260043.j
A A pg.jpg
A A The fuel rails are on the inside with this setup and it looks
A A 'cleaner', I think.
A A I like both TEC units. They work.
A A The TEC3r is more expensive, but has more control and
inputs/outputs
A A and can do fully sequential injection on a V8.
A A The TEC GT can only do what I call 'batch fire' on a V8.
A A That old saying... you get what you pay for.
A A Lots of people like the FAST system. I have no experience with
it.
A A Steve Hawkins uses the Accel system and seems to like it.
A A FWIW,
A A Kirby
A A On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Will Kooiman
A A <[3][4]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A The throttle bodies I like the most are made by
A A A [4][5]http://www.borlainduction.com. A They are obviously
throttle
A A A bodies, but
A A A they look like they belong in the 60's/70's.
A A A This used to be [5][6]twminduction.com. A ThatA^1s news to
me though.
A A A A I went to
A A A their old site, [6][7]http://www.twminduction.com, and it
was
A A A redirected to the
A A A borla induction website.
A A A I have seen some based on real Weber bodies with small
injectors
A A A hidden
A A A inside. A It's an interesting idea, but I'd probably stick
with the
A A A TWM
A A A bodies.
A A A Superior depends on what is important to you. A In my
opinion, the
A A A biggest
A A A considerations are cost, looks, and the electronics. A Some
may
A A A outperform
A A A others, but I doubt that it comes without setup headaches.
A A A And finally, unless you plan on designing a lot of it yourself,
I'd
A A A stick
A A A with a complete system. A I normally recommend Dennis Q.,
but don't
A A A forget
A A A that Jim Inglese is still in business. A He knows Webers
like nobody
A A A else,
A A A and now he's doing EFI too.
A A A --
A A A Will
A A A On 7/1/14 12:56 AM, "[7][8]shawkins777 at comcast.net"
A A A <[8][9]shawkins777 at comcast.net>
A A A wrote:
A A >
A A > A A Are you looking for an EFI setup? A If you are I would
recommend
A A The
A A > A A ACCEl electronics. A I went thru Dennes Quella for the
manifold
A A and
A A > A A throttle bodies.
A A >
A A >
A A > A A Steve
A A > A A A
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A > A A From: "Boyd Casey" <[9][10]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A > A A To: [10][11]detomaso at poca.com
A A > A A Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:40:27 PM
A A > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
A A > A A Is there a consensus as far as which stack injection unit
is :
A A > A A 1.the best?
A A > A A 2. Best deal ?
A A > A A 3. are the units that use actual webers and weber
manifolds
A A considered
A A > A A Superior?
A A > A A 4. one to avoid?
A A > A A Any other considerations one should be aware of?
A A > A A Thanks.
A A > A A Boyd
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A A 3. mailto:[20]will.kooiman at gmail.com
A A 4. [21]http://www.borlainduction.com/
A A 5. [22]http://twminduction.com/
A A 6. [23]http://www.twminduction.com/
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5. http://www.borlainduction.com/
6. http://twminduction.com/
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Haven't been following this thread, but I remember when Roger Sharp
installed a Quella EFI system 15 yrs ago, he had trouble getting a
consistent idle with a side-pull throttle. It turned out in his case
that his SVO aluminum heads were expanding with heat and the throttle
link from one head to the other was being pulled on by the expanding
castings. In typical Roger-style, he fabricated a steel brace between
the heads right at the point where the cross-link attached, which fixed
his ever-increasing idle rpms. I certainly would have fixed it
differently, but can't complain about what worked....
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: Panteras <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
>A Any other considerations one should be aware of?
There are tall units like the ones using the TWM/Borla throttle bodies
(with integral injector pockets) and there are low profile units which
use low profile throttle plates like the ones Ipsco makes and mount the
injectors in bungs in the intake manifold. The tall units require
notching of the decklid to clear the rear throttle bodies but have a
better injector location (distance from the intake valve).A A The
set-ups using the low profile throttle plates fit under the decklid if
you run the short stacks. Large injectors don't idle as well as smaller
injectors so some set ups run 16 injectors with 8 small intake mounted
injectors which handle idle and cruise and 8 throttle body mounted
injectors for WOT.
If the throttle bodies are too small, they can become restrictive.A 48
mm IDA Webers start to become restrictive at around 480 HP or so.A 48
mm EFI throttle bodies flow somewhat more since they don't have
venturis blocking air flow.A A good rule of thumb is to size the
throttle plate to be similar in size to the intake valve.A The typical
Cleveland intake valve is 2.19" = 55.626 mm. Origially Ipsco made only
48 mm and 50 mm throttle plates but made a run of 54 mm for Kelly
Coffield.A TWM had 58 mm throttle bodies but those may require
alterations to some Weber intakes.A Also, the overall induction length
(from valve to stack bellmouth) should be matched to the cam (and
ideally the header) specs.A A non-linear throttle linkage is a must.
You will need an intake manifold that matches your choice of heads and
block deck height.A As far as I know there are four choices of intakes
to match different Cleveland heads.A Hall has (or had) both 4V port
and Ford Motorsport A3 high port Weber intakes.A Kelly Coffield also
made a run of high port intakes with integral injector pockets to suit
A3, B351 and C302B heads but I believe all are sold or spoken for at
this point.A There is/was also a low profile 2V Weber intake from
Australia but be aware it was designed for IDF not IDA bolt pattern.
>A I like both TEC units. They work.
To date, we have not been successful in getting Kelly's Electromotive
unit sorted.A We swapped ECU's, software, various hardware bits, etcs
all to no avail.A Mike Trusty even came in to do some diagnostics but
was unable to find the problem.A Kelly's engine runs well on a single
carb, making over 600 HP but we're unable to make the Electromotive
unit provide the required fuel across the RPM range.A It's not the
independent runner manifolding either, since it does the same thing
with a EFI-converted single plane intake manifold.A The project got
back-burnered but, the plan is to start over from scratch with my
Fontana and Electromotive unit.
Dan Jones
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Kirby Schrader
<[1][1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Yep. TWM was bought out by Borla some time ago. Three years?
Maybe
A A more.
A A Gary is still there though and very helpful.
A A I like the TWM throttle bodies. I have them on my Pantera and
my GT40.
A A The Pantera has older style throttle bodies which were supplied
in the
A A mid-90's by Quella with an old F9 Haltech EFI system.
A
A [1][2][2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/tws/tws2/kirb
yefi.jpg
A A The fuel rails are on the outside, as you can see.
A A I honestly don't know if Quella still does the EFI systems.
Last time I
A A talked to him he sorta' indicated he no longer does.
A A You'd have to check.
A A When the ancient F9 in the Pantera let all the smoke out, I
replaced it
A A with an Electromotive TEC GT.
A A The GT40 has an Electromotive TEC3r.
A
A [2][3][3]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/GT40/files/p5
260043.j
A A pg.jpg
A A The fuel rails are on the inside with this setup and it looks
A A 'cleaner', I think.
A A I like both TEC units. They work.
A A The TEC3r is more expensive, but has more control and
inputs/outputs
A A and can do fully sequential injection on a V8.
A A The TEC GT can only do what I call 'batch fire' on a V8.
A A That old saying... you get what you pay for.
A A Lots of people like the FAST system. I have no experience with
it.
A A Steve Hawkins uses the Accel system and seems to like it.
A A FWIW,
A A Kirby
A A On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Will Kooiman
A A <[3][4][4]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A The throttle bodies I like the most are made by
A A A [4][5][5]http://www.borlainduction.com. A They are obviously
throttle
A A A bodies, but
A A A they look like they belong in the 60's/70's.
A A A This used to be [5][6]twminduction.com. A ThatA^1s news to
me though.
A A A A I went to
A A A their old site, [6][7][6]http://www.twminduction.com, and it
was
A A A redirected to the
A A A borla induction website.
A A A I have seen some based on real Weber bodies with small
injectors
A A A hidden
A A A inside. A It's an interesting idea, but I'd probably stick
with the
A A A TWM
A A A bodies.
A A A Superior depends on what is important to you. A In my
opinion, the
A A A biggest
A A A considerations are cost, looks, and the electronics. A Some
may
A A A outperform
A A A others, but I doubt that it comes without setup headaches.
A A A And finally, unless you plan on designing a lot of it yourself,
I'd
A A A stick
A A A with a complete system. A I normally recommend Dennis Q.,
but don't
A A A forget
A A A that Jim Inglese is still in business. A He knows Webers
like nobody
A A A else,
A A A and now he's doing EFI too.
A A A --
A A A Will
A A A On 7/1/14 12:56 AM, "[7][8][7]shawkins777 at comcast.net"
A A A <[8][9][8]shawkins777 at comcast.net>
A A A wrote:
A A >
A A > A A Are you looking for an EFI setup? A If you are I would
recommend
A A The
A A > A A ACCEl electronics. A I went thru Dennes Quella for the
manifold
A A and
A A > A A throttle bodies.
A A >
A A >
A A > A A Steve
A A > A A A
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A > A A From: "Boyd Casey" <[9][10][9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A > A A To: [10][11][10]detomaso at poca.com
A A > A A Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:40:27 PM
A A > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
A A > A A Is there a consensus as far as which stack injection unit
is :
A A > A A 1.the best?
A A > A A 2. Best deal ?
A A > A A 3. are the units that use actual webers and weber
manifolds
A A considered
A A > A A Superior?
A A > A A 4. one to avoid?
A A > A A Any other considerations one should be aware of?
A A > A A Thanks.
A A > A A Boyd
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43.jpg.jpg
A A 3. [19]mailto:[20]will.kooiman at gmail.com
A A 4. [21][20]http://www.borlainduction.com/
A A 5. [22][21]http://twminduction.com/
A A 6. [23][22]http://www.twminduction.com/
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