[DeTomaso] Stack injection units

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Tue Jul 1 12:25:54 EDT 2014



Boyd, 



It's going to be expensive no matter which way you go.  I don't understand why you would need to use different heads if you go with a stroker. 

Like Will said, I have the Accel electronics and I'm very pleased with them.  Changing engines is no problem, you can even go forced induction. 

I got most of my parts thru Dennis Quella.  He has an expert on Accel systems to help you get up and running. 



Steve 



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From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> 
To: "Kirby Schrader" <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> 
Cc: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "Steve Hawkins" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>, "Panteras" <detomaso at poca.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:51:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units 


Thanks to all who replied. I am having a new engine built. Right now it looks like I am going for a stock displacement with a forged internals, around 10.5:1 compression ration  a custom cam grind (worked out by Dan Jones ) and C302 B heads and 180 degree headers. If i decide to go with a stroker I would have to choose different heads.  I like the  the fuel rails that run" inside" between the stacks , but that is not the most important issue to me (looks). When I asked for a consensus for "best" I should have defined what I meant by "best". My best  is reliable, ease of tune, best horsepower ease of upgrading  to higher capacity injectors in the event of a cam change or other change that would require  higher lb injectors.  Personally I like the set ups that use modified Weber's vs Plastic throttle bodies, but I don't know much about them except they are expensive and are supposed to improve fuel economy and will stay in tune with atmospheric  pressure changes.  Ideally I would like a system that gives performance comparable to Weber's but without the tuning difficulties there are infamous for. 
I would also like a setup that isn't more expensive then it needs to be. 
Thank you. 
Boyd 










On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Kirby Schrader < kirby.schrader at gmail.com > wrote: 



Yep. TWM was bought out by Borla some time ago. Three years? Maybe more. 
Gary is still there though and very helpful. 


I like the TWM throttle bodies. I have them on my Pantera and my GT40. 
The Pantera has older style throttle bodies which were supplied in the mid-90's by Quella with an old F9 Haltech EFI system. 
http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/tws/tws2/kirbyefi.jpg 



The fuel rails are on the outside, as you can see. 


I honestly don't know if Quella still does the EFI systems. Last time I talked to him he sorta' indicated he no longer does. 
You'd have to check. 


When the ancient F9 in the Pantera let all the smoke out, I replaced it with an Electromotive TEC GT. 


The GT40 has an Electromotive TEC3r. 
http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/GT40/files/p5260043.jpg.jpg 



The fuel rails are on the inside with this setup and it looks 'cleaner', I think. 


I like both TEC units. They work. 
The TEC3r is more expensive, but has more control and inputs/outputs and can do fully sequential injection on a V8. 
The TEC GT can only do what I call 'batch fire' on a V8. 
That old saying... you get what you pay for. 


Lots of people like the FAST system. I have no experience with it. 
Steve Hawkins uses the Accel system and seems to like it. 


FWIW, 
Kirby 









On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Will Kooiman < will.kooiman at gmail.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>
The throttle bodies I like the most are made by 
http://www.borlainduction.com .  They are obviously throttle bodies, but 
they look like they belong in the 60's/70's. 

This used to be twminduction.com .  That¹s news to me though.  I went to 
their old site, http://www.twminduction.com , and it was redirected to the 
borla induction website. 

I have seen some based on real Weber bodies with small injectors hidden 
inside.  It's an interesting idea, but I'd probably stick with the TWM 
bodies. 

Superior depends on what is important to you.  In my opinion, the biggest 
considerations are cost, looks, and the electronics.  Some may outperform 
others, but I doubt that it comes without setup headaches. 

And finally, unless you plan on designing a lot of it yourself, I'd stick 
with a complete system.  I normally recommend Dennis Q., but don't forget 
that Jim Inglese is still in business.  He knows Webers like nobody else, 
and now he's doing EFI too. 
-- 
Will 





On 7/1/14 12:56 AM, " shawkins777 at comcast.net " < shawkins777 at comcast.net > 
wrote: 



> 
>   Are you looking for an EFI setup?  If you are I would recommend The 
>   ACCEl electronics.  I went thru Dennes Quella for the manifold and 
>   throttle bodies. 
> 
> 
>   Steve 
>     __________________________________________________________________ 
> 
>   From: "Boyd Casey" < boyd411 at gmail.com > 
>   To: detomaso at poca.com 
>   Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:40:27 PM 
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units 
>   Is there a consensus as far as which stack injection unit is : 
>   1.the best? 
>   2. Best deal ? 
>   3. are the units that use actual webers and weber manifolds considered 
>   Superior? 
>   4. one to avoid? 
>   Any other considerations one should be aware of? 
>   Thanks. 
>   Boyd 
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   Boyd,


   It's going to be expensive no matter which way you go.  I don't
   understand why you would need to use different heads if you go with a
   stroker.

   Like Will said, I have the Accel electronics and I'm very pleased with
   them.  Changing engines is no problem, you can even go forced
   induction.

   I got most of my parts thru Dennis Quella.  He has an expert on Accel
   systems to help you get up and running.


   Steve
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   To: "Kirby Schrader" <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
   Cc: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "Steve Hawkins"
   <shawkins777 at comcast.net>, "Panteras" <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:51:39 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
   Thanks to all who replied. I am having a new engine built. Right now it
   looks like I am going for a stock displacement with a forged internals,
   around 10.5:1 compression ration  a custom cam grind (worked out by Dan
   Jones ) and C302 B heads and 180 degree headers. If i decide to go with
   a stroker I would have to choose different heads.  I like the  the fuel
   rails that run" inside" between the stacks , but that is not the most
   important issue to me (looks). When I asked for a consensus for "best"
   I should have defined what I meant by "best". My best  is reliable,
   ease of tune, best horsepower ease of upgrading  to higher capacity
   injectors in the event of a cam change or other change that would
   require  higher lb injectors.  Personally I like the set ups that use
   modified Weber's vs Plastic throttle bodies, but I don't know much
   about them except they are expensive and are supposed to improve fuel
   economy and will stay in tune with atmospheric  pressure changes.
   Ideally I would like a system that gives performance comparable to
   Weber's but without the tuning difficulties there are infamous for.
   I would also like a setup that isn't more expensive then it needs to
   be.
   Thank you.
   Boyd
   On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Kirby Schrader
   <[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:

   Yep. TWM was bought out by Borla some time ago. Three years? Maybe
   more.
   Gary is still there though and very helpful.
   I like the TWM throttle bodies. I have them on my Pantera and my GT40.
   The Pantera has older style throttle bodies which were supplied in the
   mid-90's by Quella with an old F9 Haltech EFI system.
   [2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/tws/tws2/kirbyefi.jpg
   The fuel rails are on the outside, as you can see.
   I honestly don't know if Quella still does the EFI systems. Last time I
   talked to him he sorta' indicated he no longer does.
   You'd have to check.
   When the ancient F9 in the Pantera let all the smoke out, I replaced it
   with an Electromotive TEC GT.
   The GT40 has an Electromotive TEC3r.
   [3]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/GT40/files/p5260043.j
   pg.jpg
   The fuel rails are on the inside with this setup and it looks
   'cleaner', I think.
   I like both TEC units. They work.
   The TEC3r is more expensive, but has more control and inputs/outputs
   and can do fully sequential injection on a V8.
   The TEC GT can only do what I call 'batch fire' on a V8.
   That old saying... you get what you pay for.
   Lots of people like the FAST system. I have no experience with it.
   Steve Hawkins uses the Accel system and seems to like it.
   FWIW,
   Kirby

   On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Will Kooiman
   <[4]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

     The throttle bodies I like the most are made by
     [5]http://www.borlainduction.com.  They are obviously throttle
     bodies, but
     they look like they belong in the 60's/70's.
     This used to be [6]twminduction.com.  ThatA^1s news to me though.  I
     went to
     their old site, [7]http://www.twminduction.com, and it was
     redirected to the
     borla induction website.
     I have seen some based on real Weber bodies with small injectors
     hidden
     inside.  It's an interesting idea, but I'd probably stick with the
     TWM
     bodies.
     Superior depends on what is important to you.  In my opinion, the
     biggest
     considerations are cost, looks, and the electronics.  Some may
     outperform
     others, but I doubt that it comes without setup headaches.
     And finally, unless you plan on designing a lot of it yourself, I'd
     stick
     with a complete system.  I normally recommend Dennis Q., but don't
     forget
     that Jim Inglese is still in business.  He knows Webers like nobody
     else,
     and now he's doing EFI too.
     --
     Will
     On 7/1/14 12:56 AM, "[8]shawkins777 at comcast.net"
     <[9]shawkins777 at comcast.net>
     wrote:

   >
   >   Are you looking for an EFI setup?  If you are I would recommend The
   >   ACCEl electronics.  I went thru Dennes Quella for the manifold and
   >   throttle bodies.
   >
   >
   >   Steve
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: "Boyd Casey" <[10]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   >   To: [11]detomaso at poca.com
   >   Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:40:27 PM
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Stack injection units
   >   Is there a consensus as far as which stack injection unit is :
   >   1.the best?
   >   2. Best deal ?
   >   3. are the units that use actual webers and weber manifolds
   considered
   >   Superior?
   >   4. one to avoid?
   >   Any other considerations one should be aware of?
   >   Thanks.
   >   Boyd
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References

   1. mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com
   2. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/tws/tws2/kirbyefi.jpg
   3. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/GT40/files/p5260043.jpg.jpg
   4. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
   5. http://www.borlainduction.com/
   6. http://twminduction.com/
   7. http://www.twminduction.com/
   8. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
   9. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
  10. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
  11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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