[DeTomaso] Value of rebuilt shocks
Colin Bradshaw
Colin.Bradshaw2 at BTInternet.com
Sun Feb 23 13:06:13 EST 2014
Corey,
Just seen you posting on the poca site and if it is of any use to you I have
just had a set of four completely rebuilt original standard shock absorbers
rebuilt by KONI here in UK within the last month and have been charged
£622,... so that's about what $995?
They have been done to very high standard and as per yours new stickers the
lot. The only thing was the bushes were not reprovided because original
rubber ones seem to be like gold dust so be aware the cost and scarcity of
those bushes alone if yours still have fitted.
Regards
Colin Bradshaw UK
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> 4. Re: F1 Pool (Mikael)
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> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:07:43 -0700
> From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Value of Rebuilt Koni Shocks?
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> I have a set of four original-style Koni shocks for my Pantera, rebuilt by
> Koni. The rebuild cost $770 and were repainted and badged with new Koni
> stickers. The springs were coated and new bushings were installed. Are
> they worth what they were rebuilt for? They aren't the really nice,
> modern
> Koni shocks sold by Pantera Performance Center, but they look good.
>
> Corey
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> I have a set of four original-style Koni shocks for my Pantera, rebuilt
> by Koni. The rebuild cost $770 and were repainted and badged with new
> Koni stickers. The springs were coated and new bushings were
> installed. Are they worth what they were rebuilt for? They aren't the
> really nice, modern Koni shocks sold by Pantera Performance Center, but
> they look good.
> Corey
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:23:23 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Value of Rebuilt Koni Shocks?
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> I purchased a brand new set of Koni's from Pantera Performance Center
> a few years ago and paid nearly twice that. My personal opinion would
> be $770 is a great price.
>
> But that's just me,
> Asa Jay
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> Quoting Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>:
>
>> I have a set of four original-style Koni shocks for my Pantera, rebuilt
>> by
>> Koni. The rebuild cost $770 and were repainted and badged with new Koni
>> stickers. The springs were coated and new bushings were installed. Are
>> they worth what they were rebuilt for? They aren't the really nice,
>> modern
>> Koni shocks sold by Pantera Performance Center, but they look good.
>>
>> Corey
>>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:28:01 -0800
> From: dave londry <davel at emspace.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
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> I'll up you to 18 Peter.
> Looks like I really believe in the engine designers.
> dave
>
> On 21/02/2014 10:03 AM, Peter Cajthaml wrote:
>> that depends on how many are starting - do we have 20 or 22 this
>> year?
>> i'll be optimistic and predict that 17 will finish the first race in
>> melbourne.
>> ----
>> 14
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <
>> [1]patrickf.orlando at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
>>> Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
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> From: Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
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> Note the new guy at McLaren. Magnussen. Soon the Danes will dominate not
> only sports car racing with Tom Kristensen, but also open wheel racing.
> And gocarting in France I might add... :-)
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> Mikael, after a few beers...
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> that depends on how many are starting - do we have 20 or 22 this year?
>
> i'll be optimistic and predict that 17 will finish the first race in
> melbourne.
>
> ----
>
> 14
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <patrickf.orlando at
> gmail.com <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>> wrote:
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>>* Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
> *>* Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
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> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Peter Cajthaml
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> I'll stick to my estimation of 14 cars finishing the race.
>
> Michael Shortt
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> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:
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>> Note the new guy at McLaren. Magnussen. Soon the Danes will dominate not
>> only sports car racing with Tom Kristensen, but also open wheel racing.
>> And
>> gocarting in France I might add... :-)
>>
>> Mikael, after a few beers...
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>> From: Peter Cajthaml
>> Sent: fredag den 21. februar 2014 19.03
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
>>
>> that depends on how many are starting - do we have 20 or 22 this year?
>>
>> i'll be optimistic and predict that 17 will finish the first race in
>> melbourne.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> 14
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <patrickf.orlando at
>> gmail.com <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>> wrote:
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>> >* Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
>> *>* Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
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> I'll stick to my estimation of 14 cars finishing the race.
> Michael Shortt
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> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Mikael <[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
> wrote:
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> Note the new guy at McLaren. Magnussen. Soon the Danes will dominate
> not only sports car racing with Tom Kristensen, but also open wheel
> racing. And gocarting in France I might add... :-)
> Mikael, after a few beers...
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
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> that depends on how many are starting - do we have 20 or 22 this year?
> i'll be optimistic and predict that 17 will finish the first race in
> melbourne.
> ----
> 14
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <patrickf.orlando
> at
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> <[4]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>> wrote:
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> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:50:19 -0500 (EST)
> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
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> Both the orange Ford and black Detomaso parts manuals show the front
> fenders as one stamped unit (top and sides). When I took my car down to
> bare metal it did not have that welded seam.
>
> Tom
> 5186
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>;
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> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:37 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
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>
> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>
> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much of
> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>
> --
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>
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> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>> years ago.
>> --michael cox
>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>>tend to ag
>>ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>
>>> Doug Braun
>>> blue 73L #5505
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of R.J.
>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>
>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>
>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>>appears
>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>>fender
>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>>all
>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>
>>References
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> Both the orange Ford and black Detomaso parts manuals show the front
> fenders as one stamped unit (top and sides). When I took my car down
> to bare metal it did not have that welded seam.
> Tom
> 5186
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>;
> doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:37 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>
> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much of
> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>> years ago.
>> --michael cox
>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>>tend to ag
>>ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>
>>> Doug Braun
>>> blue 73L #5505
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of R.J.
>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>
>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>
>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>>appears
>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>>fender
>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>>all
>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>
>>References
>>
>> 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:03:16 -0800
> From: dave londry <davel at emspace.com>
> To: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Front Fender construction
> Message-ID: <5307B104.2080008 at emspace.com>
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> If you don't have a press with enough clamping force, you form the panel
> in 2 pieces?
> dave
>
> On 21/02/2014 8:47 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>>
>> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much
>> of
>> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>>> years ago.
>>> --michael cox
>>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>>> tend to ag
>>> ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
>>>> R.J.
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>>
>>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>>> appears
>>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>>> fender
>>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>>> all
>>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Braun
>>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:08:36 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
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> My '74 (#7104) did not have a welded seam either when I took it down to
> the metal.
>
> Also note:
> I had to replace both rocker panels plus fix some rust on the bottom of
> both doors. The new
> (US Rolled Steel) rockers that the vendor in LA provided were a perfect
> fit. I was very impressed.
> I am extremely happy with all the body work and paint job the Coachworks
> in Sandy Eggo did.
> They are professionals! Plus the owner (George Arube) allowed me to come
> in every week and document
> the whole thing with pictures and video. Sweet.
>
> Terry
>
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
> Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>
>
> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com<mailto:tmshinro at aol.com>>
> Date: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:50 AM
> To: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
> <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
>
>
> Both the orange Ford and black Detomaso parts manuals show the front
> fenders as one stamped unit (top and sides). When I took my car down to
> bare metal it did not have that welded seam.
>
> Tom
> 5186
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
> To: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com<mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com>>;
> detomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>; doug351c
> <doug351c at gmail.com<mailto:doug351c at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:37 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
>
> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>
> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much of
> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox"
> <coxmichaelt at gmail.com<mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
> years ago.
> --michael cox
> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
> tend to ag
> ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of R.J.
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>
> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
> appears
> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
> fender
> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
> all
> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
> References
>
> 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>
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>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> My '74 (#7104) did not have a welded seam either when I took it down to
> the metal.
> Also note:
> I had to replace both rocker panels plus fix some rust on the bottom of
> both doors. The new
> (US Rolled Steel) rockers that the vendor in LA provided were a perfect
> fit. I was very impressed.
> I am extremely happy with all the body work and paint job the
> Coachworks in Sandy Eggo did.
> They are professionals! Plus the owner (George Arube) allowed me to
> come in every week and document
> the whole thing with pictures and video. Sweet.
> Terry
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
>
> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
>
> Rosetta/MEX/VEX Flight Control Team
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: Tom Shinrock <[2]tmshinro at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:50 AM
> To: "[3]detomaso at poca.com" <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
> Both the orange Ford and black Detomaso parts manuals show the front
> fenders as one stamped unit (top and sides). When I took my car down
> to bare metal it did not have that welded seam.
> Tom
> 5186
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Cox <[6]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>; detomaso
> <[7]detomaso at poca.com>; doug351c <[8]doug351c at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:37 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
> Why would DeTomaso do that?
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much
> of
> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
> --
> Will
> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <[9]coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and
> painted
>
> years ago.
>
> --michael cox
>
> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>
> tend to ag
>
> ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>
> Doug Braun
>
> blue 73L #5505
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
> R.J.
>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>
> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>
> appears
>
> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>
> fender
>
> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>
> all
>
> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>
> Doug Braun
>
> blue 73L #5505
>
> References
>
> 1. [11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> 2. [12]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>
> DeTomaso mailing list
>
> [13]DeTomaso at poca.com
>
> [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 2. mailto:tmshinro at aol.com
> 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com
> 9. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
> 10. mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces
> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:47:25 -0800
> From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 21
> Message-ID: <6D72AC7D-48A5-4DC1-82B0-AF71B0BAD78C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I would look into a clear bra. Get it look into ha ha ha ha. But really a
> clear bra is really the way to go for protecting the front from rock chips
> . Paul
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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>> 1. Re: Pantera Front End Bra (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>> 2. Re: Pantera Front End Bra (Charles McCall)
>> 3. Re: Pantera Front End Bra (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>> 4. Re: Window Trim (jderyke at aol.com)
>> 5. F1 Pool (Patrick Orlando)
>> 6. Re: F1 Pool (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>> 7. Re: Window Trim (Will Kooiman)
>> 8. Re: Front Fender construction (Michael Cox)
>> 9. NPC: Cadillac Stunt Driving Show in - - - CHINA?!?!? (Mike Thomas)
>> 10. Re: Tumblers (Sam)
>> 11. Re: Tumblers (Corey Price)
>> 12. Re: Front Fender construction (Will Kooiman)
>> 13. F1 Pool (Peter Cajthaml)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:33:28 -0500 (EST)
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> To: pantera_4220 at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Front End Bra
>> Message-ID: <8728a.66571977.4037b288 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/19/14 8 12 23, pantera_4220 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Anyone have a Pantera Front End Bra that they are not using for a
>>> reasonable price?
>>
>>>>> I would only install one on a car whose front end had been wrecked, to
>> attempt to conceal the damage. If the paint isn't already ruined, a bra
>> will ruin it for you, as dirt gets trapped between the bra and paint and
>> acts
>> like sandpaper.
>>
>> There's a reason why these things were popular for a short time in the
>> 1980s and haven't been seen since....
>>
>> Mike
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> In a message dated 2/19/14 8 12 23, pantera_4220 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Anyone have a Pantera Front End Bra that they are not using for a
>> reasonable price?
>>
>>>>> I would only install one on a car whose front end had been wrecked,
>> to attempt to conceal the damage. If the paint isn't already ruined, a
>> bra will ruin it for you, as dirt gets trapped between the bra and
>> paint and acts like sandpaper.
>> There's a reason why these things were popular for a short time in the
>> 1980s and haven't been seen since....
>> Mike
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 20:40:41 +0100
>> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>,
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Front End Bra
>> Message-ID: <060401cf2e73$a4da2430$ee8e6c90$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>>>> I would only install one on a car whose front end had been wrecked, to
>> attempt to conceal the damage. If the paint isn't already ruined, a bra
>> will ruin it for you, as dirt gets trapped between the bra and paint and
>> acts
>> like sandpaper.
>>
>> There's a reason why these things were popular for a short time in the
>> 1980s and haven't been seen since....
>>
>> ***I had one in the late 80's on my first "fun" car (Chrysler Conquest
>> TSi)
>> and it basically acted like sandpaper, trapped moisture underneath, and
>> clouded the paint. I wouldn't use one again.
>>
>> That being said, when I stopped using it, the front of my car did suffer
>> considerably from rock chips (I was living in Chicago, driving the 80/94
>> every morning with very very heavy traffic)
>>
>> Pick your poison! But if not driving in heavy traffic on a daily basis, I
>> wouldn't use one on my car..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:53:14 -0500
>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>> <detomaso at poca.com>, Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Front End Bra
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEWtxWp+DEaOodc5dYdnqRpT+UKz79wdDUNhkWoLCLE32FAPEw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I don't think there were ever designed to be installed 24/7 or on dirty
>> cars.
>> I've used several ( mostly in the 80's, guilty ), but only installed them
>> when
>> going on a long trip (interstate) and only on a clean car.
>>
>> But if you are dumb enough to leave one on, it's going to do exactly what
>> they say. Having said that, 85 mph rocks from a semi will do more, so,
>> it's
>> was worth the risk on trips for me
>>
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I would only install one on a car whose front end had been wrecked,
>>>>>> to
>>> attempt to conceal the damage. If the paint isn't already ruined, a
>>> bra
>>> will ruin it for you, as dirt gets trapped between the bra and paint and
>>> acts
>>> like sandpaper.
>>>
>>> There's a reason why these things were popular for a short time in the
>>> 1980s and haven't been seen since....
>>>
>>> ***I had one in the late 80's on my first "fun" car (Chrysler Conquest
>>> TSi)
>>> and it basically acted like sandpaper, trapped moisture underneath, and
>>> clouded the paint. I wouldn't use one again.
>>>
>>> That being said, when I stopped using it, the front of my car did suffer
>>> considerably from rock chips (I was living in Chicago, driving the 80/94
>>> every morning with very very heavy traffic)
>>>
>>> Pick your poison! But if not driving in heavy traffic on a daily basis,
>>> I
>>> wouldn't use one on my car..
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> I don't think there were ever designed to be installed 24/7 or on dirty
>> cars.
>> I've used several ( mostly in the 80's, guilty ), but only installed
>> them when
>> going on a long trip (interstate) and only on a clean car.
>> But if you are dumb enough to leave one on, it's going to do exactly
>> what
>> they say. Having said that, 85 mph rocks from a semi will do more, so,
>> it's
>> was worth the risk on trips for me
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Charles McCall
>> <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I would only install one on a car whose front end had been wrecked,
>> to
>> attempt to conceal the damage. If the paint isn't already ruined, a
>> bra
>> will ruin it for you, as dirt gets trapped between the bra and paint
>> and
>> acts
>> like sandpaper.
>> There's a reason why these things were popular for a short time in the
>> 1980s and haven't been seen since....
>>
>> ***I had one in the late 80's on my first "fun" car (Chrysler
>> Conquest TSi)
>> and it basically acted like sandpaper, trapped moisture underneath,
>> and
>> clouded the paint. I wouldn't use one again.
>> That being said, when I stopped using it, the front of my car did
>> suffer
>> considerably from rock chips (I was living in Chicago, driving the
>> 80/94
>> every morning with very very heavy traffic)
>> Pick your poison! But if not driving in heavy traffic on a daily
>> basis, I
>> wouldn't use one on my car..
>>
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>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [4]www.michaelshortt.com
>> [5]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
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>> 4. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>> 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:02:40 -0500 (EST)
>> From: jderyke at aol.com
>> To: will.kooiman at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>> Message-ID: <8D0FC9639A9A8A7-1538-415A at webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Will, I must confess- that's one of a very few pieces of a Pantera I've
>> never taken off. When I painted our car 20 years ago, I did what most
>> amateurs do- I masked that trim. I'll look into an illustrated article on
>> removing window trim from a '72-1/2 L model (or if you took photos when
>> you did it, we could use them). Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers-JDeryke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 4:03 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>
>>
>> I think this needs an article in the POCA magazine with pics.
>>
>> Mine came off easily without sliding - just minor prying using very small
>> screw drivers.
>>
>> The glass and whiskers were already out. I don't remember where the
>> screws were, but I removed those first.
>>
>> They went back on without any drama.
>>
>>> On 2/20/14 12:10 AM, "James coyne" <tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you can remove that trim piece, along the bottom of the door,
>>> you must first remove both pieces of door glass. Then, buried in the
>>> cat wiskers, you will find the tiny slotted screws that hold both the
>>> cat wiskers and the trim piece. Once all the screws are removed, the
>>> piece can be slid upwards and removed. Caution, there is no "prying"
>>> involved.
>>>
>>>> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:22:01 -0500
>>>> To: tonydigi at optonline.net
>>>> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>>>
>>>> You very carefully pry them off with 2 small screw drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Don't pry too hard. They bend easily.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few very small screws. You can't miss them.
>>>>
>>>> With 2 screw drivers, you walk them off - one ahead of the other.
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How does one, correctly, remove the chrome trim piece on the door,
>>> along the
>>>>> bottom of the window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Will, I must confess- that's one of a very few pieces of a Pantera I've
>> never taken off. When I painted our car 20 years ago, I did what most
>> amateurs do- I masked that trim. I'll look into an illustrated article
>> on removing window trim from a '72-1/2 L model (or if you took photos
>> when you did it, we could use them). Thanks for the suggestion.
>> Cheers-JDeryke
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 4:03 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>> I think this needs an article in the POCA magazine with pics.
>>
>> Mine came off easily without sliding - just minor prying using very small
>> screw drivers.
>>
>> The glass and whiskers were already out. I don't remember where the
>> screws were, but I removed those first.
>>
>> They went back on without any drama.
>>
>>> On 2/20/14 12:10 AM, "James coyne" <[1]tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you can remove that trim piece, along the bottom of the door,
>>> you must first remove both pieces of door glass. Then, buried in the
>>> cat wiskers, you will find the tiny slotted screws that hold both the
>>> cat wiskers and the trim piece. Once all the screws are removed, the
>>> piece can be slid upwards and removed. Caution, there is no "prying"
>>> involved.
>>>
>>>> From: [2]will.kooiman at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:22:01 -0500
>>>> To: [3]tonydigi at optonline.net
>>>> CC: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>>>
>>>> You very carefully pry them off with 2 small screw drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Don't pry too hard. They bend easily.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few very small screws. You can't miss them.
>>>>
>>>> With 2 screw drivers, you walk them off - one ahead of the other.
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>>>>> <[5]tonydigi at optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How does one, correctly, remove the chrome trim piece on the door,
>>> along the
>>>>> bottom of the window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com
>> 2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>> 3. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:10:23 -0500
>> From: Patrick Orlando <patrickf.orlando at gmail.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAPVjhOSvCn2YRKwrj6WHUX9KjSyZxRGCBCHnRUacm3pfkHXTOQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
>> Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
>> Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:14:09 -0500
>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> To: Patrick Orlando <patrickf.orlando at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEWtxWp2OK3OznBi6mhXE=sXo-S2opiaRn8oDe3Mnctq+nb4Cw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> 14
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <
>> patrickf.orlando at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
>>> Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
>>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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>> 14
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando
>> <[1]patrickf.orlando at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race.
>> Patrick
>> Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
>> _______________________________________________
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>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [4]www.michaelshortt.com
>> [5]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:patrickf.orlando at gmail.com
>> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 4. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>> 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:51:25 -0500
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: <jderyke at aol.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>> Message-ID: <CF2C44BA.7DE2%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Cool.
>>
>> Jack ? you do a great job researching and writing up your articles. I
>> will
>> look forward to it.
>>
>> I didn't remove the trim at first. I was afraid I would damage it, so I
>> had
>> it done by a shop. But they only did one section or one door. I don't
>> recall. Once I saw how they did it, I removed the rest, plus I
>> reinstalled
>> it after painting. Sorry, but I didn't take any pics.
>>
>> From: <jderyke at aol.com>
>> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:02 PM
>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>
>> Will, I must confess- that's one of a very few pieces of a Pantera I've
>> never taken off. When I painted our car 20 years ago, I did what most
>> amateurs do- I masked that trim. I'll look into an illustrated article on
>> removing window trim from a '72-1/2 L model (or if you took photos when
>> you
>> did it, we could use them). Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers-JDeryke
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 4:03 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>
>> I think this needs an article in the POCA magazine with pics.
>>
>> Mine came off easily without sliding - just minor prying using very small
>> screw drivers.
>>
>> The glass and whiskers were already out. I don't remember where the
>> screws were, but I removed those first.
>>
>> They went back on without any drama.
>>
>>> On 2/20/14 12:10 AM, "James coyne" <tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you can remove that trim piece, along the bottom of the door,
>>> you must first remove both pieces of door glass. Then, buried in the
>>> cat wiskers, you will find the tiny slotted screws that hold both the
>>> cat wiskers and the trim piece. Once all the screws are removed, the
>>> piece can be slid upwards and removed. Caution, there is no "prying"
>>> involved.
>>>
>>>> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:22:01 -0500
>>>> To: tonydigi at optonline.net
>>>> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>>>
>>>> You very carefully pry them off with 2 small screw drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Don't pry too hard. They bend easily.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few very small screws. You can't miss them.
>>>>
>>>> With 2 screw drivers, you walk them off - one ahead of the other.
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How does one, correctly, remove the chrome trim piece on the door,
>>> along the
>>>>> bottom of the window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Cool.
>>
>> Jack - you do a great job researching and writing up your articles. I
>> will look forward to it.
>>
>> I didn't remove the trim at first. I was afraid I would damage it, so
>> I had it done by a shop. But they only did one section or one door. I
>> don't recall. Once I saw how they did it, I removed the rest, plus I
>> reinstalled it after painting. Sorry, but I didn't take any pics.
>>
>> From: <[1]jderyke at aol.com>
>> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:02 PM
>> To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>
>> Will, I must confess- that's one of a very few pieces of a Pantera I've
>> never taken off. When I painted our car 20 years ago, I did what most
>> amateurs do- I masked that trim. I'll look into an illustrated article
>> on removing window trim from a '72-1/2 L model (or if you took photos
>> when you did it, we could use them). Thanks for the suggestion.
>> Cheers-JDeryke
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will Kooiman <[4]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: James coyne <[5]tecnosound at hotmail.com>; detomaso
>> <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 4:03 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>> I think this needs an article in the POCA magazine with pics.
>>
>> Mine came off easily without sliding - just minor prying using very small
>> screw drivers.
>>
>> The glass and whiskers were already out. I don't remember where the
>> screws were, but I removed those first.
>>
>> They went back on without any drama.
>>
>>> On 2/20/14 12:10 AM, "James coyne" <[7]tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you can remove that trim piece, along the bottom of the door,
>>> you must first remove both pieces of door glass. Then, buried in the
>>> cat wiskers, you will find the tiny slotted screws that hold both the
>>> cat wiskers and the trim piece. Once all the screws are removed, the
>>> piece can be slid upwards and removed. Caution, there is no "prying"
>>> involved.
>>>
>>>> From: [8]will.kooiman at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:22:01 -0500
>>>> To: [9]tonydigi at optonline.net
>>>> CC: [10]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
>>>>
>>>> You very carefully pry them off with 2 small screw drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Don't pry too hard. They bend easily.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few very small screws. You can't miss them.
>>>>
>>>> With 2 screw drivers, you walk them off - one ahead of the other.
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
>>>>> <[11]tonydigi at optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How does one, correctly, remove the chrome trim piece on the door,
>>> along the
>>>>> bottom of the window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>>>
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>>>>> [13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
>> 2. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>> 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 4. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>> 5. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com
>> 6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 7. mailto:tecnosound at hotmail.com
>> 8. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
>> 9. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>> 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 11. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>> 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:45:38 -0800
>> From: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com, doug351c at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAMPkPf3qJnCx7=rkmBTKbR2J0cgboOXbTPg-+QoqbNQRaKUQkw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>> years
>> ago.
>>
>> --michael cox
>>
>>> * We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>> tend to agree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>> *> >* Doug Braun
>> *>* blue 73L #5505
>> *>* -----Original Message-----
>> *>* From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>]On Behalf Of R.J.
>> *>* Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>> *>* To: detomaso at poca.com
>> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>
>> *>* Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>> *> >* Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>> *> >* Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>> *>>* Hi Guys,
>> *>> >>* I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran
>> across what appears
>> *>>* to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>> fender
>> *>>* about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>> all
>> *>>* factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>> *>> >>* Doug Braun
>> *>>* blue 73L #5505*
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>> years ago.
>> --michael cox
>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I tend
>>> to ag
>> ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>
>>> Doug Braun
>>> blue 73L #5505
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of R.J.
>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>
>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>
>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>> appears
>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>> fender
>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>> all
>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:53:41 -0800
>> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> To: "'De Tomaso List'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Cadillac Stunt Driving Show in - - -
>> CHINA?!?!?
>> Message-ID: <010001cf2ec9$468577d0$d3906770$@comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Probably GM?s fastest growing luxury market. Some pretty good stunt
>> driving.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Probably GM's fastest growing luxury market. Some pretty good stunt
>> driving.
>>
>>
>> Mike T
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>>
>> References
>>
>> Visible links
>> 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>>
>> Hidden links:
>> 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:44:15 -0500
>> From: "Sam" <shbailey at att.net>
>> To: <lance730 at msn.com>, "Detomaso Forum" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tumblers
>> Message-ID: <313A8F6C3AB749B2A6480100D94A10BF at DadarooHP>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I think this is better, easier, and cheaper:
>>
>> http://www.metalrescue.com/consumer.aspx
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> I think this is better, easier, and cheaper:
>>
>> [1]http://www.metalrescue.com/consumer.aspx
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.metalrescue.com/consumer.aspx
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:51:58 -0700
>> From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
>> To: Sam <shbailey at att.net>
>> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tumblers
>> Message-ID: <698329CC-1BAE-4D14-A42D-140CF38D1867 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Is that the same as Evap-o-rust? I use Evap-o-rust all the time.
>>
>> Corey
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:44 AM, "Sam" <shbailey at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this is better, easier, and cheaper:
>>>
>>> [1]http://www.metalrescue.com/consumer.aspx
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://www.metalrescue.com/consumer.aspx
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:47:15 -0500
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>,
>> <doug351c at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>> Message-ID: <CF2CECE7.6E2E2%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>>
>> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much
>> of
>> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>>> years ago.
>>> --michael cox
>>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>>> tend to ag
>>> ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
>>>> R.J.
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>>
>>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>>> appears
>>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>>> fender
>>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>>> all
>>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Braun
>>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>
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>>> DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:03:38 -0800
>> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] F1 Pool
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAKVP51s2LnyXHB-pw4hnf7XxTgsUwQ5Lq_kDWj_3Hr4D58uxcg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> that depends on how many are starting - do we have 20 or 22 this year?
>>
>> i'll be optimistic and predict that 17 will finish the first race in
>> melbourne.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> 14
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <patrickf.orlando at
>> gmail.com <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> * Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race.
>>> Patrick
>> *>* Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
>> *>>>* _______________________________________________
>> *>>* Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>> *>* DeTomaso at poca.com
>> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>
>> *>* http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>
>> *>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> that depends on how many are starting - do we have 20 or 22 this year?
>> i'll be optimistic and predict that 17 will finish the first race in
>> melbourne.
>> ----
>> 14
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Patrick Orlando <
>> [1]patrickf.orlando at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lets start a pool of how many F1 cars finish the first race. Patrick
>>> Orlando 1972 Yellow Pantera S/N 4011
>>>
>>>
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>> 2. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 21
>> *****************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:16:48 -0800
> From: "doug351c" <doug351c at gmail.com>
> To: "Tom Shinrock" <tmshinro at aol.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
> Message-ID: <NGBBJDKLOLBENCGCLNBFEEFAPDAA.doug351c at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> According to the "seasoned restoration expert" working on my car, the
> welded
> seam we're witnessing is a MACHINE welded seam, not a hand welded seam.
> If
> he's right, the fender supplier performed the weld and delivered it whole
> to
> DeTomaso. So naturally the parts books will show a complete fender.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of Tom Shinrock
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:50 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
> Both the orange Ford and black Detomaso parts manuals show the front
> fenders
> as one stamped unit (top and sides). When I took my car down to bare
> metal
> it did not have that welded seam.
>
> Tom
> 5186
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>;
> doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:37 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>
>
> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>
> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much of
> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>
> --
> Will
>
> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>> years ago.
>> --michael cox
>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>>tend to ag
>>ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>
>>> Doug Braun
>>> blue 73L #5505
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of R.J.
>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>
>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>
>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>>appears
>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>>fender
>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>>all
>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:29:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
> <asajay at asajay.com>, "jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com"
> <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NORC May 15-18
> Message-ID:
> <1393021794.22611.YahooMailNeo at web140903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Would like to know if there will be any of you out there who will be
> participating in the May NORC. Just trying to plan ahead.
>
> Mark
> 5481
> -------------- next part --------------
> Would like to know if there will be any of you out there who will be
> participating in the May NORC. Just trying to plan ahead.
> Mark
> 5481
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:44:51 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Mad Dog Antenucci
> <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NORC May 15-18
> Message-ID: <20140221144451.42161dp72hkppplv at www.asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
> format="flowed"
>
> Negative.
>
> As of right now, I can't finance SSCC this year either, but I'm still
> fighting for it. If you'll be at NORC, and if the Dog can go, I might
> be able to fly in and catch a ride to be part of the TPR support team.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> --
> Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home
> ******************************************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
>
> Quoting mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> Would like to know if there will be any of you out there who will be
>> participating in the May NORC. Just trying to plan ahead.
>>
>> Mark
>> 5481
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 23:49:17 +0100
> From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
> To: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Mad Dog Antenucci
> <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NORC May 15-18
> Message-ID:
> <CACF3J0K7O7v1gH4ScB_PLWbPCPoQvWsnhpj8dyLaY-ZR6EmhSw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> See you there Mark!
> Stayin' at Four Sevens.
> Cheers Bjoern
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:29 PM, mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Would like to know if there will be any of you out there who will be
>> participating in the May NORC. Just trying to plan ahead.
>> Mark
>> 5481
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> See you there Mark!
> Stayin' at Four Sevens.
> Cheers Bjoern
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:29 PM, mark skwarek <[1]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Would like to know if there will be any of you out there who will
> be
> participating in the May NORC. Just trying to plan ahead.
> Mark
> 5481
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> DeTomaso mailing list
> [2]DeTomaso at poca.com
> [3]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com
> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:59:17 -0700
> From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> To: "doug351c at gmail.com" <doug351c at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
> Message-ID: <BLU406-EAS401F768FB2FC2A59E902BEA9D850 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The street Pantera I owned at one time had non seam welded fenders on it.
> Chassis # 4371 a 1972-L car
> Took it entirely to the metal in 1979.
>
> Leslie A. Gray
>
>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "doug351c" <doug351c at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> According to the "seasoned restoration expert" working on my car, the
>> welded
>> seam we're witnessing is a MACHINE welded seam, not a hand welded seam.
>> If
>> he's right, the fender supplier performed the weld and delivered it whole
>> to
>> DeTomaso. So naturally the parts books will show a complete fender.
>>
>> Doug Braun
>> blue 73L #5505
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of Tom
>> Shinrock
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:50 AM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>
>> Both the orange Ford and black Detomaso parts manuals show the front
>> fenders
>> as one stamped unit (top and sides). When I took my car down to bare
>> metal
>> it did not have that welded seam.
>>
>> Tom
>> 5186
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: Michael Cox <coxmichaelt at gmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>;
>> doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:37 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>
>>
>> Why would DeTomaso do that?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to die stamp the entire fender?
>>
>> I guess, since everything is welded together anyway, it's not that much
>> of
>> a stretch to do a 2-part stamping for the fenders.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>> On 2/21/14 12:45 AM, "Michael Cox" <coxmichaelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My mid year '71 has that same seam, I had my car stripped and painted
>>> years ago.
>>> --michael cox
>>>> We stripped the other fender yesterday and found the same weld so I
>>>> tend to ag
>>> ree with your opinion; what's your opinion based on?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Braun
>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
>>>> R.J.
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:14 PM
>>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Front Fender construction
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they all where made that way, maybe except early prototypes.
>>>>
>>>> Am 24.01.2014 22:08, schrieb doug351c:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the middle of a restoration on my Pantera and ran across what
>>>>> appears
>>>>> to be a machine-tig-welded seam that runs the length of the front
>>>>> fender
>>>>> about an inch down from the top-outer crease. My question is - were
>>>>> all
>>>>> factory Pantera front fenders made in two pieces this way?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Braun
>>>>> blue 73L #5505
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:03:18 -0800
> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] BRAKE Line Flare
> Message-ID: <BLU177-W639157644A947EDFFB253BD840 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Installing the new brake master and booster and ran into some problems.
> Trying to verify what flares I need.
> Here is a picture of the booster from Hall. It looks like its the same
> type booster that other owners have used.
> http://poca.com/index.php/album/mundy-sean#
> The master came with the screw in connectors but they are two different
> sizes.
>
> There are also different looking size connections for the front/rear. The
> rear brake connection is
> much larger than the front. Have no idea why.
> Do both of these connections require double flares?
> Can I cut off the ends of the stock lines and flare the ends or is the
> stock brake line the wrong size? 3/16?
> The 3/16 double flare that I made looks like it would fit the front brake
> connection but the rear connection
> is just way too big.
> Thanks for any help. Sean
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Installing the new brake master and booster and ran into some
> problems. Trying to verify what flares I need.
> Here is a picture of the booster from Hall. It looks like its the same
> type booster that other owners have used.
> http://poca.com/index.php/album/mundy-sean#
> The master came with the screw in connectors but they are two different
> sizes.
> There are also different looking size connections for the front/rear.
> The rear brake connection is
> much larger than the front. Have no idea why.
> Do both of these connections require double flares?
> Can I cut off the ends of the stock lines and flare the ends or is the
> stock brake line the wrong size? 3/16?
> The 3/16 double flare that I made looks like it would fit the front
> brake connection but the rear connection
> is just way too big.
> Thanks for any help. Sean
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:22:14 -0800
> From: Don Thomas <dtpantera at gmail.com>
> To: DeTomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Shrinking Pantera ?
> Message-ID:
> <CADgkgMHBmYRwuN-5MmMCawZCX_FOhkn12W4G2km_21si5z_v=A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Is my Pantera shrinking ?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3918670181513&set=pcb.3918673981608&type=1&theater
> -------------- next part --------------
> Is my Pantera shrinking ?
> [1]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3918670181513&set=pcb.391867
> 3981608&type=1&theater
>
> References
>
> 1.
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3918670181513&set=pcb.3918673981608&type=1&theater
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:30:12 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shrinking Pantera ?
> Message-ID:
> <CABpzvs-9gzmWVU2WjWM_Xx2A3M+UXYCgxewPBL3d6DXmBQi1ig at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> That's awesome! :)
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Don Thomas <dtpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is my Pantera shrinking ?
>>
>> [1]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3918670181513&set=pcb.391867
>> 3981608&type=1&theater
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3918670181513&set=pcb.3918673981608&type=1&theater
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:06:10 -0800
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Don Thomas'" <dtpantera at gmail.com>, "'DeTomaso List'"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shrinking Pantera ?
> Message-ID: <016d01cf2f7b$09c87a10$1d596e30$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ferrari's have gotten pretty big lately. Necessary for the egos that buy
> them . . .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Don Thomas
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:22 PM
> To: DeTomaso List
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Shrinking Pantera ?
>
> Is my Pantera shrinking ?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3918670181513&set=pcb.3918673981608&
> type=1&theater
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:12:49 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <BAY173-W523054EB78B7B2F847610B95840 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as the
> Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different steering
> racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having purchased kits from
> Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
> Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari 308?
> This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may even be
> worth the $215 to find out.
> http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> Julian
> -------------- next part --------------
> There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as the
> Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
> steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having purchased
> kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
> Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
> 308?
> This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may even
> be worth the $215 to find out.
> [1]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> Julian
>
> References
>
> 1. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:27:10 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <5308352E.1020604 at asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Sure looks like it. Mike Drew may know this one as he was close to
> Rick Moseley and I think Rick had a 308 or still does.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> [3]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
> On 2/21/2014 9:12 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as the
> Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
> steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having purchased
> kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
> Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
> 308?
> This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may even
> be worth the $215 to find out.
> [1][4]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> Julian
>
> References
>
> 1. [5]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>
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>
>
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>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 3. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> 4. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> 5. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 8. http://www.avg.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:31:18 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <D20632AF-A5CF-4032-A552-5A4A1614555A at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Julian,
>
> I am helping a GT5 owner whose rack was totally shot. It was rebuilt by a
> vendor at a cost of $400 but it failed almost immediately. The GT5 rack is
> different from the early Pantera rack; it appears to be the same as the
> 80's Ferrari Testarossa. Those suckers cost $1500 or more. But the Pantera
> uses adapters to adapt the TR rack; the GT5 appears to be set up to accept
> an old school Pantera rack, and the TR rack looks like a kluge.
>
> Believing the original 308 rack is the same as the Pantera rack, I ordered
> one a few days ago from the link you just listed. It arrived today but I
> haven't had time to compare it with the early Pantera rack I have here. I
> haven't even opened the box.
>
> I am going to do a detailed comparison this weekend and post the results.
>
> I do know that some 308s use a rack with similar internals but a
> completely different housing. But apparently others are the same as ours
> and the eBay ad makes me think this is going to work perfectly.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2014, at 21:12, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as the
>> Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
>> steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having purchased
>> kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
>> Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
>> 308?
>> This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may even
>> be worth the $215 to find out.
>> [1]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>> Julian
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:41:59 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
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>
> Mike,
> As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering end of
> my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive, alas it is
> still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut in the road and
> darting when one changes lanes over the center crest. The rack was rebuilt
> at some point by someone who was heavy handed with vice grips and I have
> never been happy with it, so my last ditch effort is to just change out
> the rack for a new one.
> Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover Ford
> parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if what you have
> in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that later GT5's had a
> different rack, are they dimensionally the same or does the later rack
> alter (improve) the steering geometry?
> Julian
>
>> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:31:18 -0800
>> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>
>> Julian,
>>
>> I am helping a GT5 owner whose rack was totally shot. It was rebuilt by a
>> vendor at a cost of $400 but it failed almost immediately. The GT5 rack
>> is different from the early Pantera rack; it appears to be the same as
>> the 80's Ferrari Testarossa. Those suckers cost $1500 or more. But the
>> Pantera uses adapters to adapt the TR rack; the GT5 appears to be set up
>> to accept an old school Pantera rack, and the TR rack looks like a kluge.
>>
>> Believing the original 308 rack is the same as the Pantera rack, I
>> ordered one a few days ago from the link you just listed. It arrived
>> today but I haven't had time to compare it with the early Pantera rack I
>> have here. I haven't even opened the box.
>>
>> I am going to do a detailed comparison this weekend and post the results.
>>
>> I do know that some 308s use a rack with similar internals but a
>> completely different housing. But apparently others are the same as ours
>> and the eBay ad makes me think this is going to work perfectly.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 21:12, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as
>> > the
>> > Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
>> > steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having
>> > purchased
>> > kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
>> > Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
>> > 308?
>> > This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may
>> > even
>> > be worth the $215 to find out.
>> > [1]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>> > Julian
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
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> -------------- next part --------------
> Mike,
> As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering end
> of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive, alas it
> is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut in the road
> and darting when one changes lanes over the center crest. The rack was
> rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy handed with vice grips
> and I have never been happy with it, so my last ditch effort is to just
> change out the rack for a new one.
> Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
> Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if what
> you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that later
> GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same or does the
> later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
> Julian
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:31:18 -0800
> > To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > I am helping a GT5 owner whose rack was totally shot. It was rebuilt
> by a vendor at a cost of $400 but it failed almost immediately. The GT5
> rack is different from the early Pantera rack; it appears to be the
> same as the 80's Ferrari Testarossa. Those suckers cost $1500 or more.
> But the Pantera uses adapters to adapt the TR rack; the GT5 appears to
> be set up to accept an old school Pantera rack, and the TR rack looks
> like a kluge.
> >
> > Believing the original 308 rack is the same as the Pantera rack, I
> ordered one a few days ago from the link you just listed. It arrived
> today but I haven't had time to compare it with the early Pantera rack
> I have here. I haven't even opened the box.
> >
> > I am going to do a detailed comparison this weekend and post the
> results.
> >
> > I do know that some 308s use a rack with similar internals but a
> completely different housing. But apparently others are the same as
> ours and the eBay ad makes me think this is going to work perfectly.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2014, at 21:12, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as
> the
> > > Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
> > > steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having
> purchased
> > > kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
> > > Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
> > > 308?
> > > This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may
> even
> > > be worth the $215 to find out.
> > > [1]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> > > Julian
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 23:49:19 -0600
> From: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <53083A5F.2040508 at galstar.com>
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>
>
> Julian,
>
> Looks like a whale of a deal. Don't understand the verbiage in the the
> lower description saying "new aftermarket rack & pinion power steering
> gear" . It says in a couple of places manual steering rack but then
> states power steering gear?
>
> Still looks like a good deal. Would be better if the advert gave
> specifications.
>
> jerry knotts
>
> On 2/21/2014 11:12 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>> There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as
>> the
>> Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
>> steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having
>> purchased
>> kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
>> Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
>> 308?
>> This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may
>> even
>> be worth the $215 to find out.
>> [1]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>> Julian
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> Julian,
> Looks like a whale of a deal. Don't understand the verbiage in the the
> lower description saying "new aftermarket rack & pinion power steering
> gear" . It says in a couple of places manual steering rack but then
> states power steering gear?
> Still looks like a good deal. Would be better if the advert gave
> specifications.
> jerry knotts
> On 2/21/2014 11:12 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> There are references to the Pantera steering rack being the same as the
> Ferrari 308, but also references that the 308 can have different
> steering racks. Searching I found guys at Ferrari chat having purchased
> kits from Pantera vendors to rebuild their racks.
> Anyone know if the Pantera rack is interchangeable with the Ferrari
> 308?
> This is the reason for the question, very cheap if it fits and may even
> be worth the $215 to find out.
> [1][1]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> Julian
>
> References
>
> 1. [2]http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>
> DeTomaso mailing list
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>
> References
>
> 1. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> 2. http://tinyurl.com/pqtl28t
> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 02:13:45 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <dd781.27ed2b6b.4039a829 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>> As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering end of
>> my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive, alas it is
>> still
>> a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut in the road and
>> darting
>> when one changes lanes over the center crest. The rack was rebuilt at
>> some
>> point by someone who was heavy handed with vice grips and I have never
>> been happy with it, so my last ditch effort is to just change out the
>> rack for
>> a new one.
>> Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover Ford
>> parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if what you
>> have
>> in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that later GT5's had a
>> different rack, are they dimensionally the same or does the later rack
>> alter
>> (improve) the steering geometry?
>>
>
>>>>The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack housing
> tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that wrap around
> the
> outside of it to make up the difference between the small tube and the
> larger opening in the Pantera rack housing clamps.
>
> Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the GT5:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970012
>
> At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are completely
> different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the housing
> is
> different, although the boot on the driver's side seems largely the same
> (the
> passenger side is very different. You can see the tube is much smaller
> in
> diameter as well.
>
> But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to fully
> compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I keep on hand
> as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just bought, and we will see
> wot's wot.
>
> BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with a
> different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the housing.
> But
> internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs the same bronze
> bushing
> for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one who contacted TRW (the
> outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the original maker of the Pantera and
> Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a lubricant; they told him in no
> uncertain terms that gear oil was no longer in vogue and 0-weight grease
> was the
> lube of choice. The GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease,
> as
> did the TRW racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also
> the ones that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just
> bought will have grease as well.
>
> (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW Sciroccos
> today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer filled with grease
> too).
>
> Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat forum,
> who
> has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief had
> charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made nylong
> bushing
> inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the rack, and
> overtightened
> them to the point where they were bound up solid. The poor guy got the
> rack installed in his car with some difficulty, but the car was virtually
> undriveable. He managed to get it to an alignment shop and they
> literally
> couldn't turn the tie rods to set the toe, so they sent him home.
>
> With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped the
> new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three different
> Pantera
> vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first place, and put
> his
> rack back together using his original tie rods. The result was
> perfection
> and he was quite pleased, not only with the results, but with himself for
> having taken on the challenge and prevailing.
>
> He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay for
> quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold almost
> instantly?
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>
> As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
> end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
> alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
> in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
> crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
> handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
> last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
> Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
> Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
> what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
> later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same or
> does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
>
> >>>The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
> housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that
> wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
> small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing clamps.
> Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
> GT5:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
> 012
> At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are completely
> different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
> housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
> largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
> the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
> But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
> fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
> keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just bought,
> and we will see wot's wot.
> BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with a
> different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
> housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs the
> same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
> who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the original
> maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
> lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
> longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
> GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
> racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the ones
> that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just bought
> will have grease as well.
> (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
> Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer filled
> with grease too).
> Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat forum,
> who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief had
> charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
> nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the
> rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
> solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
> difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to get
> it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie rods
> to set the toe, so they sent him home.
> With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped
> the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three different
> Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
> place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods. The
> result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
> results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
> prevailing.
> He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay for
> quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold almost
> instantly?
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 02:13:48 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: knottsj at galstar.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <dd785.6cc69440.4039a82c at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> In a message dated 2/21/14 21 50 55, knottsj at galstar.com writes:
>
>
>> Looks like a whale of a deal.? Don't understand the verbiage in the the
>> lower description saying "new aftermarket rack & pinion power steering
>> gear" .? It says in a couple of places manual steering rack but then
>> states power steering gear?
>>
>> Still looks like a good deal.? Would be better if the advert gave
>> specifications.
>>
>
>>>>I think they are a "Racks 'R Us" kind of place, that sells all kinds of
> racks for all kinds of car, and they were a bit sloppy with the
> copy-and-paste when they created the ad for this one.
>
> Will reveal all I learn in the next day or two....
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 2/21/14 21 50 55, knottsj at galstar.com writes:
>
> Looks like a whale of a deal. Don't understand the verbiage in the
> the
> lower description saying "new aftermarket rack & pinion power
> steering
> gear" . It says in a couple of places manual steering rack but then
> states power steering gear?
> Still looks like a good deal. Would be better if the advert gave
> specifications.
>
> >>>I think they are a "Racks 'R Us" kind of place, that sells all kinds
> of racks for all kinds of car, and they were a bit sloppy with the
> copy-and-paste when they created the ad for this one.
> Will reveal all I learn in the next day or two....
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:56:20 +0100
> From: thomas <thomas at hax.se>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <9F6DE32C-719B-43CC-8FE5-ADA64725C2C7 at hax.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that Mike
> supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
>
> Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
>
> I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle ride
> with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
>
> I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
>
> Thomas
>
>> 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
>>
>> In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
>> end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
>> alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
>> in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
>> crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
>> handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
>> last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
>> Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
>> Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
>> what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
>> later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same or
>> does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
>>
>>>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
>> housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that
>> wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
>> small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing clamps.
>> Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
>> GT5:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
>> 012
>> At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are completely
>> different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
>> housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
>> largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
>> the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
>> But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
>> fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
>> keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just bought,
>> and we will see wot's wot.
>> BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with a
>> different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
>> housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs the
>> same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
>> who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the original
>> maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
>> lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
>> longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
>> GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
>> racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the ones
>> that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just bought
>> will have grease as well.
>> (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
>> Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer filled
>> with grease too).
>> Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat forum,
>> who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief had
>> charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
>> nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the
>> rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
>> solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
>> difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to get
>> it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie rods
>> to set the toe, so they sent him home.
>> With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped
>> the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three different
>> Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
>> place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods. The
>> result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
>> results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
>> prevailing.
>> He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay for
>> quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold almost
>> instantly?
>> Mike
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:33:53 +0100
> From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <53087D11.3020905 at hax.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I just checked some photos from the rebuild and the rack is a Cam Gears
> rack, which is the old Pantera rack, right?
>
> Thomas
>
> thomas skrev 2014-02-22 10:56:
>> I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that Mike
>> supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
>>
>> Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
>>
>> I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle ride
>> with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
>>
>> I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>> 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
>>> end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
>>> alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
>>> in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
>>> crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
>>> handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
>>> last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
>>> Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
>>> Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
>>> what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
>>> later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same
>>> or
>>> does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
>>>
>>>>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
>>> housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that
>>> wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
>>> small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing clamps.
>>> Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
>>> GT5:
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
>>> 012
>>> At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are
>>> completely
>>> different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
>>> housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
>>> largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
>>> the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
>>> But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
>>> fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
>>> keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just
>>> bought,
>>> and we will see wot's wot.
>>> BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with a
>>> different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
>>> housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs
>>> the
>>> same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
>>> who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the
>>> original
>>> maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
>>> lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
>>> longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
>>> GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
>>> racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the
>>> ones
>>> that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just bought
>>> will have grease as well.
>>> (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
>>> Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer
>>> filled
>>> with grease too).
>>> Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat
>>> forum,
>>> who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief
>>> had
>>> charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
>>> nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the
>>> rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
>>> solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
>>> difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to get
>>> it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie rods
>>> to set the toe, so they sent him home.
>>> With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped
>>> the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three
>>> different
>>> Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
>>> place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods.
>>> The
>>> result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
>>> results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
>>> prevailing.
>>> He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay
>>> for
>>> quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold almost
>>> instantly?
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 07:52:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike <bluebugman2 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "pantera_4220 at yahoo.com"
> <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>, "detomaso at POCA.com" <detomaso at POCA.com>
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> Yes I have a great condition black bra and say about $115.00 obo ?
> ?
> thanks Mike V
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> Yes I have a great condition black bra and say about $115.00 obo ?
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:43:48 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: thomas <thomas at hax.se>, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
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> Thomas,
> You may very well be right, I can still feel a little bit of play in the
> rack and that might be just the tolerance on the rack & pinion, but this
> is the last thing to change before I have to just accept it was it is or
> sell it. I modified my front a-arms for the full 7 degrees of caster too.
> New tires improved it a little I now have the Michelin PS2, whereas the
> previous Michelin Sport was the old Chevron tread style.
> Off topic but the suspension geometry on the Si was changed and I have
> heard the Si's are great cars to drive. I assume the body width was the
> same as GT5S and they moved the center line of the wheels out via use of
> longer a-arms. Anyone have dimensions of the Si suspension to hand?
> Julian
>
>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
>> From: thomas at hax.se
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
>> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:56:20 +0100
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
>> I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that Mike
>> supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
>>
>> Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
>>
>> I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle ride
>> with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
>>
>> I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> > 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
>> >
>> > In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> > As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
>> > end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
>> > alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
>> > in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
>> > crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
>> > handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
>> > last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
>> > Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
>> > Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
>> > what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
>> > later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same
>> > or
>> > does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
>> >
>> >>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
>> > housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that
>> > wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
>> > small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing clamps.
>> > Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
>> > GT5:
>> >
>> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
>> > 012
>> > At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are
>> > completely
>> > different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
>> > housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
>> > largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
>> > the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
>> > But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
>> > fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
>> > keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just
>> > bought,
>> > and we will see wot's wot.
>> > BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with a
>> > different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
>> > housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs
>> > the
>> > same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
>> > who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the
>> > original
>> > maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
>> > lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
>> > longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
>> > GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
>> > racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the
>> > ones
>> > that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just bought
>> > will have grease as well.
>> > (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
>> > Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer
>> > filled
>> > with grease too).
>> > Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat
>> > forum,
>> > who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief
>> > had
>> > charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
>> > nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the
>> > rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
>> > solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
>> > difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to get
>> > it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie rods
>> > to set the toe, so they sent him home.
>> > With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped
>> > the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three
>> > different
>> > Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
>> > place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods.
>> > The
>> > result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
>> > results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
>> > prevailing.
>> > He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay
>> > for
>> > quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold almost
>> > instantly?
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
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> Thomas,
> You may very well be right, I can still feel a little bit of play in
> the rack and that might be just the tolerance on the rack & pinion, but
> this is the last thing to change before I have to just accept it was it
> is or sell it. I modified my front a-arms for the full 7 degrees of
> caster too. New tires improved it a little I now have the Michelin PS2,
> whereas the previous Michelin Sport was the old Chevron tread style.
> Off topic but the suspension geometry on the Si was changed and I have
> heard the Si's are great cars to drive. I assume the body width was the
> same as GT5S and they moved the center line of the wheels out via use
> of longer a-arms. Anyone have dimensions of the Si suspension to hand?
> Julian
> > CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> > From: thomas at hax.se
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:56:20 +0100
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >
> > I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that
> Mike supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
> >
> > Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
> >
> > I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle
> ride with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
> >
> > I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > > 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com
> writes:
> > >
> > > As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
> > > end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
> > > alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
> > > in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
> > > crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
> > > handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
> > > last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
> > > Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
> > > Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
> > > what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
> > > later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same
> or
> > > does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
> > >
> > >>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
> > > housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers
> that
> > > wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
> > > small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing
> clamps.
> > > Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
> > > GT5:
> > >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
> > > 012
> > > At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are
> completely
> > > different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
> > > housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
> > > largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
> > > the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
> > > But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
> > > fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
> > > keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just
> bought,
> > > and we will see wot's wot.
> > > BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with
> a
> > > different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
> > > housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs
> the
> > > same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
> > > who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the
> original
> > > maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
> > > lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
> > > longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
> > > GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
> > > racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the
> ones
> > > that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just
> bought
> > > will have grease as well.
> > > (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
> > > Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer
> filled
> > > with grease too).
> > > Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat
> forum,
> > > who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief
> had
> > > charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
> > > nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto
> the
> > > rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
> > > solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
> > > difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to
> get
> > > it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie
> rods
> > > to set the toe, so they sent him home.
> > > With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart,
> dumped
> > > the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three
> different
> > > Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
> > > place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods.
> The
> > > result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
> > > results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
> > > prevailing.
> > > He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay
> for
> > > quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold
> almost
> > > instantly?
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
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>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:04:48 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: mikeldrew at aol.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Message-ID: <7B434891F05F48ECA3BE42BE6B4986FA at mail2world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The Si doesn't have as wide front tires as the GT5 cars which helps a
> lot. I can pretty much confirm that Thomas' steering rack was the same
> type as in my early car although there were minor differences.
>
> Tomas
>
>
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
> From: Julian Kift [julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: 22/2/2014 6:44:48 PM
> To: thomas at hax.se;mikeldrew at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
>
> Thomas,
> You may very well be right, I can still feel a little bit of play in the
> rack and that might be just the tolerance on the rack & pinion, but this
> is the last thing to change before I have to just accept it was it is or
> sell it. I modified my front a-arms for the full 7 degrees of caster
> too. New tires improved it a little I now have the Michelin PS2, whereas
> the previous Michelin Sport was the old Chevron tread style.
> Off topic but the suspension geometry on the Si was changed and I have
> heard the Si's are great cars to drive. I assume the body width was the
> same as GT5S and they moved the center line of the wheels out via use of
> longer a-arms. Anyone have dimensions of the Si suspension to hand?
> Julian
>
>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
>> From: thomas at hax.se
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
>> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:56:20 +0100
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
>> I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that Mike
> supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
>>
>> Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
>>
>> I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle
> ride with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
>>
>> I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> > 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
>> >
>> > In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> > As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
>> > end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
>> > alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
>> > in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
>> > crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
>> > handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
>> > last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
>> > Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
>> > Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
>> > what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
>> > later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same or
>> > does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
>> >
>> >>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
>> > housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that
>> > wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
>> > small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing
> clamps.
>> > Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
>> > GT5:
>> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
>> > 012
>> > At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are
> completely
>> > different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
>> > housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
>> > largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
>> > the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
>> > But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
>> > fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
>> > keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just
> bought,
>> > and we will see wot's wot.
>> > BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with
> a
>> > different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
>> > housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs
> the
>> > same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
>> > who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the
> original
>> > maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
>> > lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
>> > longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
>> > GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
>> > racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the
> ones
>> > that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just bought
>> > will have grease as well.
>> > (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
>> > Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer
> filled
>> > with grease too).
>> > Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat
> forum,
>> > who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief
> had
>> > charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
>> > nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the
>> > rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
>> > solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
>> > difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to get
>> > it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie
> rods
>> > to set the toe, so they sent him home.
>> > With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped
>> > the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three
> different
>> > Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
>> > place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods.
> The
>> > result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
>> > results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
>> > prevailing.
>> > He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay
> for
>> > quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold
> almost
>> > instantly?
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > !DSPAM:53084e8a24993343511756!
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>> >
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> The Si doesn't have as wide front tires as the GT5 cars which helps a
> lot. I can pretty much confirm that Thomas' steering rack was the same
> type as in my early car although there were minor differences.
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Julian Kift [julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: 22/2/2014 6:44:48 PM
> To: thomas at hax.se;mikeldrew at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> Thomas,
> You may very well be right, I can still feel a little bit of play in
> the rack and that might be just the tolerance on the rack & pinion, but
> this is the last thing to change before I have to just accept it was it
> is or sell it. I modified my front a-arms for the full 7 degrees of
> caster too. New tires improved it a little I now have the Michelin PS2,
> whereas the previous Michelin Sport was the old Chevron tread style.
> Off topic but the suspension geometry on the Si was changed and I have
> heard the Si's are great cars to drive. I assume the body width was the
> same as GT5S and they moved the center line of the wheels out via use
> of longer a-arms. Anyone have dimensions of the Si suspension to hand?
> Julian
> > CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> > From: thomas at hax.se
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
> > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:56:20 +0100
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >
> > I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that
> Mike supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
> >
> > Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
> >
> > I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle
> ride with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
> >
> > I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > > 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com
> writes:
> > >
> > > As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
> > > end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
> > > alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
> > > in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
> > > crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
> > > handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
> > > last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
> > > Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
> > > Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
> > > what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
> > > later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same
> or
> > > does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
> > >
> > >>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
> > > housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers
> that
> > > wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
> > > small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing
> clamps.
> > > Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
> > > GT5:
> > >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
> > > 012
> > > At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are
> completely
> > > different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
> > > housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
> > > largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
> > > the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
> > > But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
> > > fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
> > > keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just
> bought,
> > > and we will see wot's wot.
> > > BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with
> a
> > > different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
> > > housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs
> the
> > > same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
> > > who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the
> original
> > > maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
> > > lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
> > > longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
> > > GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
> > > racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the
> ones
> > > that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just
> bought
> > > will have grease as well.
> > > (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
> > > Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer
> filled
> > > with grease too).
> > > Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat
> forum,
> > > who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief
> had
> > > charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
> > > nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto
> the
> > > rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
> > > solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
> > > difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to
> get
> > > it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie
> rods
> > > to set the toe, so they sent him home.
> > > With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart,
> dumped
> > > the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three
> different
> > > Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
> > > place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods.
> The
> > > result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
> > > results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
> > > prevailing.
> > > He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay
> for
> > > quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold
> almost
> > > instantly?
> > > Mike
> > >
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> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:10:02 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "'thomas'"
> <thomas at hax.se>, "'MikeLDrew at aol.com'" <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: 'De Tomaso List' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
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> I don't have the geometry, but I have driven a GT5-S and an Si back to
> back
> and can confirm that the Si drove much differently, with much lighter
> steering and none of the tramlining. At least I didn't notice any
> tramlining, but after driving the 5-S on some rather poor roads, even a
> moderate amount would seem negligible!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift
> Sent: s?bado, 22 de febrero de 2014 18:44
> To: thomas; MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Cc: De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
>
> Thomas,
> You may very well be right, I can still feel a little bit of play in the
> rack and that might be just the tolerance on the rack & pinion, but this
> is
> the last thing to change before I have to just accept it was it is or sell
> it. I modified my front a-arms for the full 7 degrees of caster too. New
> tires improved it a little I now have the Michelin PS2, whereas the
> previous
> Michelin Sport was the old Chevron tread style.
> Off topic but the suspension geometry on the Si was changed and I have
> heard
> the Si's are great cars to drive. I assume the body width was the same as
> GT5S and they moved the center line of the wheels out via use of longer
> a-arms. Anyone have dimensions of the Si suspension to hand?
> Julian
>
>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
>> From: thomas at hax.se
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Steering Rack Interchange Ferrari 308
>> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:56:20 +0100
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
>> I rebuilt the rack in #9321 (1984 GT5) using a brass bushing that Mike
> supplied, and I believe it is the later rack.
>>
>> Later I removed some of the thin shims to reduce steering wheel play.
>>
>> I have Marino's offset poly bushings and it is still a white knuckle ride
> with the 285-40/15 Yokohama AVS-1 tires.
>>
>> I don't think this can be fixed with a new rack alone.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> > 22 feb 2014 kl. 08:13 skrev MikeLDrew at aol.com:
>> >
>> > In a message dated 2/21/14 21 43 19, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> > As you know I have replaced just about everything on the steering
>> > end of my GT5 in an effort to try and make it an enjoyable drive,
>> > alas it is still a white knuckle ride tram lining the slightest rut
>> > in the road and darting when one changes lanes over the center
>> > crest. The rack was rebuilt at some point by someone who was heavy
>> > handed with vice grips and I have never been happy with it, so my
>> > last ditch effort is to just change out the rack for a new one.
>> > Mine being an early GT5 where Alejandro was still using up leftover
>> > Ford parts has the same rack as my '74, so I'd be keen to know if
>> > what you have in the box there fits. That said I'm intrigued that
>> > later GT5's had a different rack, are they dimensionally the same
>> > or
>> > does the later rack alter (improve) the steering geometry?
>> >
>> >>>> The later rack appears to be dimensionally the same. The rack
>> > housing tube is a smaller diameter, and there are crude spacers that
>> > wrap around the outside of it to make up the difference between the
>> > small tube and the larger opening in the Pantera rack housing clamps.
>> > Here is what arrived at my house for me to repair, plucked from the
>> > GT5:
>> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Testarossa-TRW-Steering-Rack-/121278970
>> > 012
>> > At least, I'm 99.9% certain it's the same. The tie rods are
> completely
>> > different from an early Pantera rack, the rack is different, the
>> > housing is different, although the boot on the driver's side seems
>> > largely the same (the passenger side is very different. You can see
>> > the tube is much smaller in diameter as well.
>> > But functionally it seems to be identical. As I said, I'm going to
>> > fully compare the worn-out GT5 rack, a standard Pantera rack that I
>> > keep on hand as a visual aid, and the new early 308 rack I just
> bought,
>> > and we will see wot's wot.
>> > BTW Rick Moseley's 1980 308 uses a later-style rack I believe, with a
>> > different housing with the mounting clamps cast integral with the
>> > housing. But internally it is the same as the Pantera rack, needs
>> > the
>> > same bronze bushing for a quality repair, etc. etc. Rick is the one
>> > who contacted TRW (the outfit that purchased Cam Gears UK, the
> original
>> > maker of the Pantera and Ferrari racks) and asked what to use as a
>> > lubricant; they told him in no uncertain terms that gear oil was no
>> > longer in vogue and 0-weight grease was the lube of choice. The
>> > GT5/Testa Rossa rack comes filled with this grease, as did the TRW
>> > racks that some vendors were selling a few years ago, and also the
> ones
>> > that Roland was selling. I have no doubt the new rack we just bought
>> > will have grease as well.
>> > (As an aside, I just replaced the worn-out rack on one of my VW
>> > Sciroccos today. The new rack came from the German manufacturer
> filled
>> > with grease too).
>> > Rick and I worked together with the fellow you saw on the F-chat
> forum,
>> > who has an early 308 GT4 Dino and had a blown-out rack. Some thief
> had
>> > charged him over $1000 to 'repair' his rack; he threw a home-made
>> > nylong bushing inside, bludgeoned some later-style tie rods onto the
>> > rack, and overtightened them to the point where they were bound up
>> > solid. The poor guy got the rack installed in his car with some
>> > difficulty, but the car was virtually undriveable. He managed to get
>> > it to an alignment shop and they literally couldn't turn the tie rods
>> > to set the toe, so they sent him home.
>> > With much long-distance hand-holding, he took the rack apart, dumped
>> > the new parts, got three (!) Pantera rack bushings from three
> different
>> > Pantera vendors, chose the one we told him to choose in the first
>> > place, and put his rack back together using his original tie rods.
> The
>> > result was perfection and he was quite pleased, not only with the
>> > results, but with himself for having taken on the challenge and
>> > prevailing.
>> > He has been trying to sell one of his three rack bushings on E-bay
>> > for
>> > quite some time now, with no takers; oddly, the other one sold almost
>> > instantly?
>> > Mike
>> >
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