[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 19

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>   1. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new    starter?
>      (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>   2. Alignment places in NorCal? (Brent Stewart)
>   3. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new    starter?
>      (Peter Cajthaml)
>   4. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new    starter?
>      (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>   5. Window Trim (Tony DiGiovanna)
>   6. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a    new    starter?
>      (Bill Moore)
>   7. Do you know this car/color (Tony DiGiovanna)
>   8. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new    starter?
>      (Sean Korb)
>   9. Re: Do you know this car/color (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>  10. Re: Do you know this car/color (Julian Kift)
>  11. Pantera in Popular Hotrodding (rcbsons1 at aol.com)
>  12. Car show Saturday in Whittier (Ken Green)
>  13. Re: Do you know this car/color (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>  14. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new    starter?
>      (Boyd Casey)
>  15. Re: Do you know this car/color (Tony DiGiovanna)
>  16. Re: Do you know this car/color (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>  17. Re: Do you know this car/color (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  18. Re: Alignment places in NorCal? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  19. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a    new    starter?
>      (Pantdino)
>  20. Re: Do you know this car/color (bill gaino)
>  21. Re: Alignment places in NorCal? (Jim Gray)
>  22. Re: NPC Looking for automotive electric (Bosch) repair    shop
>      (Bjoern Flesland)
>  23. Pantera Front End Bra (Jim Wallace)
>  24. Re: Alignment places in NorCal? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:07:22 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
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> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
> 
> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Jim,
>>   I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>>   months old.  I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving the
>>   car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>>   will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue.  I may replace
>>   it with the more robust one Mike described above.  I typically only
>>   drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for 2
>>   or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>>   As always thanks for the advice,
>>   Peter
>>   #2761
>> 
>>   On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   How old is your battery?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace your
>>   battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace it
>>   too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>>   situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Jim Oddie
>> 
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: MikeLDrew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>   To: pcajthaml <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
>>   Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>>   starter?
>>   In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5]pcajthaml at gmail.com writes:
>> 
>>     So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>>     back on, the starter kicks over as when new.  Should I replace the
>>     starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>> 
>>>>> No.  Your starter is working fine.  The most obvious suggestion is
>>   to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>>   the starter itself.
>>   Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within your
>>   disconnect switch.  You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>>   there are two types.  One has a post that the battery cable clamps to,
>>   a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>>   you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves.  These things are
>>   pretty effective, but also extremely cheap.  I would imagine (guess)
>>   that overtightening can break things.
>>   The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>>   in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.  These seem
>>   to be more robust.
>>   As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>>   performance.  It's likely that things will function just perfectly.  At
>>   that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>>   (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>>   with it entirely.
>>   FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on a
>>   third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>>   knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance to
>>   wear out yet.
>>   Let us know what you find out!
>>   Mike
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>>   1. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>>   2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>   3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>   5. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>   6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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>   Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>   Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>   Michael Shortt
> 
>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
>   <[1]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>        Jim,
>        I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than
>     6
>        months old.  I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
>     the
>        car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery,
>     but I
>        will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue.  I may
>     replace
>        it with the more robust one Mike described above.  I typically
>     only
>        drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit
>     for 2
>        or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>        As always thanks for the advice,
>        Peter
>        #2761
> 
>      On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1][2]pantdino at aol.com>
>   wrote:
>      How old is your battery?
>      If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
>   your
>      battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace
>   it
>      too.
>      I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>      situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>      Jim Oddie
>      -----Original Message-----
> 
>      From: MikeLDrew <[2][3]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>      To: pcajthaml <[3][4]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
>   <[4][5]detomaso at poca.com>
>      Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>   new
>      starter?
> 
>      In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5][6]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   writes:
>        So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>        back on, the starter kicks over as when new.  Should I replace the
>        starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>> No.  Your starter is working fine.  The most obvious suggestion
>   is
>      to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>      the starter itself.
>      Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within
>   your
>      disconnect switch.  You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>      there are two types.  One has a post that the battery cable clamps
>   to,
>      a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>      you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves.  These things
>   are
>      pretty effective, but also extremely cheap.  I would imagine (guess)
>      that overtightening can break things.
>      The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>      in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.  These
>   seem
>      to be more robust.
>      As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>      performance.  It's likely that things will function just perfectly.
>    At
>      that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>      (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>      with it entirely.
>      FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on
>   a
>      third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>      knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance
>   to
>      wear out yet.
>      Let us know what you find out!
>      Mike
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>     References
>        1. mailto:[9]pantdino at aol.com
>        2. mailto:[10]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>        3. mailto:[11]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>        4. mailto:[12]detomaso at poca.com
>        5. mailto:[13]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>        6. mailto:[14]DeTomaso at poca.com
>        7. [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>   Michael L. Shortt
>   Savannah, Georgia
>   [18]www.michaelshortt.com
>   [19]michael at michaelshortt.com
>   912-232-9390
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> References
> 
>   1. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   2. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>   3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   4. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   6. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   9. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>  10. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  11. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  13. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  18. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  19. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:21:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> To: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> Message-ID:
>    <1392765678.71279.YahooMailNeo at web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
> 
> ?- prefer not to go to Borelli
> ?- prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
> 
> Thanks for any recommendations...
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment done
>   on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
>    - prefer not to go to Borelli
>    - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
>   Thanks for any recommendations...
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33 -0800
> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
> Message-ID:
>    <CAKVP51vKSzWgD3Q8tuqO0v=mjNOUx=Ti+y6AzAG2eZhuAW4uOA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Michael:
> 
> good question.  I only put the battery tender on if the car sits for more
> than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until maybe 24 hours
> before I intend to drive it.  I am told that this type of battery holds its
> charge for a very long time.  I always disconnect the battery, so where is
> it going to drain?  Also, the garage never gets below 50F.  I am more
> concerned with overcharging the battery, as I have a fairly simple
> (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't fully trust it! :)
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> 
>> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>> 
>> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>> 
>> Michael Shortt
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>wrote:
>> 
>>>   Jim,
>>>   I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>>>   months old.  I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving the
>>>   car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>>>   will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue.  I may replace
>>>   it with the more robust one Mike described above.  I typically only
>>>   drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for 2
>>>   or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>>>   As always thanks for the advice,
>>>   Peter
>>>   #2761
>>> 
>>>   On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   How old is your battery?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace your
>>>   battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace it
>>>   too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>>>   situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Jim Oddie
>>> 
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: MikeLDrew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>>   To: pcajthaml <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com
>>>   Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>>>   starter?
>>>   In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5]pcajthaml at gmail.com writes:
>>> 
>>>     So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>>>     back on, the starter kicks over as when new.  Should I replace the
>>>     starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>> 
>>>>>> No.  Your starter is working fine.  The most obvious suggestion is
>>>   to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>>>   the starter itself.
>>>   Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within your
>>>   disconnect switch.  You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>>>   there are two types.  One has a post that the battery cable clamps to,
>>>   a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>>>   you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves.  These things are
>>>   pretty effective, but also extremely cheap.  I would imagine (guess)
>>>   that overtightening can break things.
>>>   The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>>>   in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.  These seem
>>>   to be more robust.
>>>   As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>>>   performance.  It's likely that things will function just perfectly.  At
>>>   that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>>>   (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>>>   with it entirely.
>>>   FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on a
>>>   third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>>>   knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance to
>>>   wear out yet.
>>>   Let us know what you find out!
>>>   Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>> 
>>> DeTomaso mailing list
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>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>   1. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>>>   2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>>   3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>>   5. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>>   6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>   7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>> 
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>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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> -------------- next part --------------
>   Michael:
>   good question.  I only put the battery tender on if the car sits for
>   more than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until maybe
>   24 hours before I intend to drive it.  I am told that this type of
>   battery holds its charge for a very long time.  I always disconnect the
>   battery, so where is it going to drain?  Also, the garage never gets
>   below 50F.  I am more concerned with overcharging the battery, as I
>   have a fairly simple (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't fully
>   trust it! :)
>   Peter
> 
>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
>   <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> 
>   Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>   Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>   Michael Shortt
> 
>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
>   <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      Jim,
>      I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>      months old.  I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
>   the
>      car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>      will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue.  I may
>   replace
>      it with the more robust one Mike described above.  I typically only
>      drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for
>   2
>      or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>      As always thanks for the advice,
>      Peter
>      #2761
> 
>      On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1][4]pantdino at aol.com>
>   wrote:
>      How old is your battery?
>      If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
>   your
>      battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace
>   it
>      too.
>      I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>      situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>      Jim Oddie
>      -----Original Message-----
> 
>      From: MikeLDrew <[2][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>      To: pcajthaml <[3][6]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
>   <[4][7]detomaso at poca.com>
>      Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>   new
>      starter?
> 
>      In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5][8]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   writes:
>        So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>        back on, the starter kicks over as when new.  Should I replace the
>        starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>> No.  Your starter is working fine.  The most obvious suggestion
>   is
>      to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>      the starter itself.
>      Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within
>   your
>      disconnect switch.  You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>      there are two types.  One has a post that the battery cable clamps
>   to,
>      a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>      you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves.  These things
>   are
>      pretty effective, but also extremely cheap.  I would imagine (guess)
>      that overtightening can break things.
>      The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>      in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.  These
>   seem
>      to be more robust.
>      As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>      performance.  It's likely that things will function just perfectly.
>    At
>      that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>      (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>      with it entirely.
>      FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on
>   a
>      third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>      knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance
>   to
>      wear out yet.
>      Let us know what you find out!
>      Mike
>   _______________________________________________
>   Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>   DeTomaso mailing list
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>     [6][9]DeTomaso at poca.com
>     [7][10]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>     References
>        1. mailto:[11]pantdino at aol.com
>        2. mailto:[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>        3. mailto:[13]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>        4. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com
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>   4. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>   5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   6. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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>  14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:39:56 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
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> 
> If you are not using a Battery Tender brand, I would keep on doing what
> you're doing.
> 
> The BT have a way of sensing the amount of charge needed ( or not ) and
> keeps the battery at
> it best performance level.
> 
> You can find the Battery tender Jr online for under $50,.00, considering
> the cost of a $200 battery, it's a good investment.
> 
> Optimas ( and I had owned many and still do ) don't like regular chargers
> or being boosted.
> 
> As far as what runs them down, in my car, it's probably the clock and door
> lights,
> 
> I have done the most stupid thing at least twice and left the manual fans
> on after parking it, not fun the next time out.
> 
> 
> Michael'
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Michael:
>>   good question.  I only put the battery tender on if the car sits for
>>   more than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until maybe
>>   24 hours before I intend to drive it.  I am told that this type of
>>   battery holds its charge for a very long time.  I always disconnect the
>>   battery, so where is it going to drain?  Also, the garage never gets
>>   below 50F.  I am more concerned with overcharging the battery, as I
>>   have a fairly simple (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't fully
>>   trust it! :)
>>   Peter
>> 
>>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>   <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>>   Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>>   Michael Shortt
>> 
>>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
>>   <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>      Jim,
>>      I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>>      months old.  I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
>>   the
>>      car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>>      will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue.  I may
>>   replace
>>      it with the more robust one Mike described above.  I typically only
>>      drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for
>>   2
>>      or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>>      As always thanks for the advice,
>>      Peter
>>      #2761
>> 
>>      On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1][4]pantdino at aol.com>
>>   wrote:
>>      How old is your battery?
>>      If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
>>   your
>>      battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace
>>   it
>>      too.
>>      I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>>      situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>>      Jim Oddie
>>      -----Original Message-----
>> 
>>      From: MikeLDrew <[2][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>      To: pcajthaml <[3][6]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
>>   <[4][7]detomaso at poca.com>
>>      Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>>   new
>>      starter?
>> 
>>      In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5][8]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>   writes:
>>        So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>>        back on, the starter kicks over as when new.  Should I replace the
>>        starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>>> No.  Your starter is working fine.  The most obvious suggestion
>>   is
>>      to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>>      the starter itself.
>>      Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within
>>   your
>>      disconnect switch.  You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>>      there are two types.  One has a post that the battery cable clamps
>>   to,
>>      a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>>      you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves.  These things
>>   are
>>      pretty effective, but also extremely cheap.  I would imagine (guess)
>>      that overtightening can break things.
>>      The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>>      in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.  These
>>   seem
>>      to be more robust.
>>      As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>>      performance.  It's likely that things will function just perfectly.
>>    At
>>      that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>>      (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>>      with it entirely.
>>      FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on
>>   a
>>      third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>>      knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance
>>   to
>>      wear out yet.
>>      Let us know what you find out!
>>      Mike
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>>        2. mailto:[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>        3. mailto:[13]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>        4. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com
>>        5. mailto:[15]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>        6. mailto:[16]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>        7. [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>   Savannah, Georgia
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>>   1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>   2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>   3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>   4. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>>   5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>   6. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>   7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>   8. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>   9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>  10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>  11. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>>  12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>  13. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>  14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>  15. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>  16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>  17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>  18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>  19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>  20. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>  21. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>  22. tel:912-232-9390
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>   If you are not using a Battery Tender brand, I would keep on doing what
>   you're doing.
>   The BT have a way of sensing the amount of charge needed ( or not ) and
>   keeps the battery at
>   it best performance level.
>   You can find the Battery tender Jr online for under $50,.00,
>   considering the cost of a $200 battery, it's a good investment.
>   Optimas ( and I had owned many and still do ) don't like regular
>   chargers or being boosted.
>   As far as what runs them down, in my car, it's probably the clock and
>   door lights,
>   I have done the most stupid thing at least twice and left the manual
>   fans on after parking it, not fun the next time out.
>   Michael'
> 
>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Peter Cajthaml
>   <[1]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>        Michael:
>        good question.  I only put the battery tender on if the car sits
>     for
>        more than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until
>     maybe
>        24 hours before I intend to drive it.  I am told that this type
>     of
>        battery holds its charge for a very long time.  I always
>     disconnect the
>        battery, so where is it going to drain?  Also, the garage never
>     gets
>        below 50F.  I am more concerned with overcharging the battery, as
>     I
>        have a fairly simple (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't
>     fully
>        trust it! :)
>        Peter
> 
>      On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, [1][2]michael at michaelshortt.com
>      <[2][3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>      Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>      Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>      Michael Shortt
>      On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
> 
>      <[3][4]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>         Jim,
>         I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than
>   6
>         months old.  I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
>      the
>         car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery,
>   but I
>         will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue.  I may
>      replace
>         it with the more robust one Mike described above.  I typically
>   only
>         drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit
>   for
>      2
>         or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>         As always thanks for the advice,
>         Peter
>         #2761
> 
>           On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino
>     <[1][4][5]pantdino at aol.com>
> 
>      wrote:
>         How old is your battery?
>         If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
>      your
>         battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes
>   replace
>      it
>         too.
>         I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>         situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>         Jim Oddie
>         -----Original Message-----
> 
>           From: MikeLDrew <[2][5][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>           To: pcajthaml <[3][6][7]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
>        <[4][7][8]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>         Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>         Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for
>   a
>      new
>         starter?
> 
>           In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33,
>     [5][8][9]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 
>      writes:
>           So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and
>   then
>           back on, the starter kicks over as when new.  Should I replace
>   the
>           starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>> No.  Your starter is working fine.  The most obvious
>   suggestion
>      is
>         to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid,
>   and
>         the starter itself.
>         Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly
>   within
>      your
>         disconnect switch.  You don't mention which kind you have?
>   Broadly,
>         there are two types.  One has a post that the battery cable
>   clamps
>      to,
>         a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green)
>   that
>         you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves.  These
>   things
>      are
>         pretty effective, but also extremely cheap.  I would imagine
>   (guess)
>         that overtightening can break things.
>         The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the
>   cable
>         in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.
>   These
>      seem
>         to be more robust.
>         As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>         performance.  It's likely that things will function just
>   perfectly.
>       At
>         that point you get to decide whether you want to service the
>   switch
>         (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do
>   away
>         with it entirely.
>         FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch
>   on
>      a
>         third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>         knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a
>   chance
>      to
>         wear out yet.
>         Let us know what you find out!
>         Mike
>      _______________________________________________
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>          References
>             1. mailto:[11][12]pantdino at aol.com
>             2. mailto:[12][13]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>             3. mailto:[13][14]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>             4. mailto:[14][15]detomaso at poca.com
>             5. mailto:[15][16]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>             6. mailto:[16][17]DeTomaso at poca.com
>             7.
>     [17][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
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>      Savannah, Georgia
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>        [21][22]michael at michaelshortt.com
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>     References
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>        2. mailto:[24]michael at michaelshortt.com
>        3. mailto:[25]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>        4. mailto:[26]pantdino at aol.com
>        5. mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>        6. mailto:[28]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>        7. mailto:[29]detomaso at poca.com
>        8. mailto:[30]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>        9. mailto:[31]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       10. [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       11. mailto:[33]pantdino at aol.com
>       12. mailto:[34]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>       13. mailto:[35]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>       14. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com
>       15. mailto:[37]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>       16. mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       17. [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       18. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com
>       19. [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>       20. [42]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>       21. mailto:[43]michael at michaelshortt.com
>       22. tel:[44]912-232-9390
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>   Savannah, Georgia
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>   1. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   4. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   5. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>   6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   7. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   9. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  12. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>  13. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  14. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  16. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  23. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  25. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  26. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>  27. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  28. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  29. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  30. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  33. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>  34. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  35. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  37. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>  38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  42. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  43. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  44. tel:912-232-9390
>  45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  46. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  47. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  48. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:49:46 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
> Message-ID: <008501cf2d04$1a91de00$4fb59a00$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> How does one, correctly, remove the chrome trim piece on the door, along the
> bottom of the window?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:49:58 +0000
> From: "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com>
> To: "Peter Cajthaml" <pcajthaml at gmail.com>,    "DeTomaso"
>    <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>,    "Michael Shortt"
>    <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
> Message-ID:
>    <778881348-1392767398-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2025238946- at b28.c16.bise6.blackberry>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked up all the time. 
> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No problems.
> 
> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.    
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33 
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>    starter?
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <008601cf2d04$68da4d90$3a8ee8b0$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:15:35 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
> Message-ID:
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> 
> I'm counting on that.  I have 6 batteries between my under-driven 25+
> year old cars and I rotate the tender to each one over the week.  It's
> pretty labor intensive but cheaper than buying 6 battery tenders :)
> The 635CSI drains pretty fast because the NiCds in the dash need
> replacing, ironically enough.  The 443 Mustang has a Crane Hi-6 wired
> to the battery and that gives it a slow drain as well.
> 
> sean
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
>> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No problems.
>> 
>> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
>> Bill Moore
>> Incendium Supply
>> Calgary
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33
>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>>        starter?
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:20:54 -0800
> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> To: "'Tony DiGiovanna'" <tonydigi at optonline.net>,    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <29A8E621A5144FE09F57286BDB408C08 at BOSS3A>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Tony,
> 
> The registry has this one as "Unknown 99", with a lot of photos, including
> the one you posted.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> DiGiovanna
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:52 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> 
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:27:45 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>, De Tomaso List
>    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <BAY173-W3755F646320F3B3AAEAA04959B0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
> Julian
> 
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
> From: tonydigi at optonline.net
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> 
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
> 
> 
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>   The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
>   Julian
>   Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
>   From: tonydigi at optonline.net
>   To: detomaso at poca.com
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:51:09 -0500 (EST)
> From: rcbsons1 at aol.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera in Popular Hotrodding
> Message-ID: <8D0FB23CFBB8635-734-5949 at webmail-d260.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I just received a text and voice mail from two
> buddies... The Optima Pantera is in Popular Hotrodding
> page 23 for the month of April.. I have not see the article
> so i will have to wait for my copy to show up
> 
> I also just got the Firebird running again so
> Christmas is coming early.... or late depending
> on how you look at it
> 
> Panteracer  Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
> -------------- next part --------------
>   I just received a text and voice mail from two
>   buddies... The Optima Pantera is in Popular Hotrodding
>   page 23 for the month of April.. I have not see the article
>   so i will have to wait for my copy to show up
>   I also just got the Firebird running again so
>   Christmas is coming early.... or late depending
>   on how you look at it
>   Panteracer  Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:08:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Car show Saturday in Whittier
> Message-ID:
>    <1392772086.33530.YahooMailNeo at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> The Whittier Area Community Church (a very large church) is having their annual car show Saturday.? It was pretty big a couple years ago and it seems to be something they are growing.? There was a least one Pantera and a number of vendors including Stop Tech brakes.? My favorite was the reconstructed Beach City Vette funnycar.
> 
> http://whittierareaclassiccarshow.com/
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>   The Whittier Area Community Church (a very large church) is having
>   their annual car show Saturday.  It was pretty big a couple years ago
>   and it seems to be something they are growing.  There was a least one
>   Pantera and a number of vendors including Stop Tech brakes.  My
>   favorite was the reconstructed Beach City Vette funnycar.
>   [1]http://whittierareaclassiccarshow.com/
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://whittierareaclassiccarshow.com/
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:14:25 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com, tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEWtxWpmPuLYE0BUNG5B-y9u1K2a50v+nMQPbtYnPVE_GUGkvA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Looks really close to a blue Subaru WRX STI
> 
> Michael Shortt
>> On Feb 18, 2014 7:28 PM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
>>   Julian
>>   Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
>>   From: tonydigi at optonline.net
>>   To: detomaso at poca.com
>>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does
>> anybody
>> know what color it is painted?
>> 
>> 
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>   Looks really close to a blue Subaru WRX STI
> 
>   Michael Shortt
> 
>   On Feb 18, 2014 7:28 PM, "Julian Kift" <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>        The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
>        Julian
>        Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
>        From: [2]tonydigi at optonline.net
>        To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>     Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does
>     anybody
>     know what color it is painted?
>        _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
>     Managed
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> References
> 
>   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
>   3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:15:19 -0500
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
> Message-ID:
>    <CALsQ=csdG9XDhbm7F68RK1vPgsEEZTnAqdw2z=28Mv7o=CBGzA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> If it's not the battery cutoff switch check the solenoid mounted on the
> firewall. Mine went bad and I mistakenly replaced two starters before
> finding that I had a cracked solenoid. $12.00 (and $500 for two starters)
> plus labor.
> Boyd
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm counting on that.  I have 6 batteries between my under-driven 25+
>> year old cars and I rotate the tender to each one over the week.  It's
>> pretty labor intensive but cheaper than buying 6 battery tenders :)
>> The 635CSI drains pretty fast because the NiCds in the dash need
>> replacing, ironically enough.  The 443 Mustang has a Crane Hi-6 wired
>> to the battery and that gives it a slow drain as well.
>> 
>> sean
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the
>> battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera
>> has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old.
>> From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two
>> weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
>>> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook
>> up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years.
>> No problems.
>>> 
>>> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
>>> Bill Moore
>>> Incendium Supply
>>> Calgary
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>>> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014
>> 15:32:33
>>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>>>        starter?
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>> "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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> -------------- next part --------------
>   If it's not the battery cutoff switch check the solenoid mounted on the
>   firewall. Mine went bad and I mistakenly replaced two starters before
>   finding that I had a cracked solenoid. $12.00 (and $500 for two
>   starters) plus labor.
>   Boyd
> 
>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     I'm counting on that.  I have 6 batteries between my under-driven
>     25+
>     year old cars and I rotate the tender to each one over the week.
>     It's
>     pretty labor intensive but cheaper than buying 6 battery tenders :)
>     The 635CSI drains pretty fast because the NiCds in the dash need
>     replacing, ironically enough.  The 443 Mustang has a Crane Hi-6
>     wired
>     to the battery and that gives it a slow drain as well.
>     sean
> 
>   On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bill Moore <[2]bill at incendium.com>
>   wrote:
>> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with
>   the battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My
>   Pantera has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5
>   years old. From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with
>   one or two weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked
>   up all the time.
>> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and
>   hook up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last
>   three years. No problems.
>> 
>> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
>> Bill Moore
>> Incendium Supply
>> Calgary
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Cajthaml <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>> Sender: "DeTomaso" <[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb
>   2014 15:32:33
>> To: [5]michael at michaelshortt.com<[6]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com<[8]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>   new
>>        starter?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> 
>     --
>     Sean Korb [13]spkorb at spkorb.org [14]http://www.spkorb.org
>     '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
>     #1382
>     "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>     "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P.
>     Picasso
> 
>   _______________________________________________
>   Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>   DeTomaso mailing list
>   [15]DeTomaso at poca.com
>   [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
>   2. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>   3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>   4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>   7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  13. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
>  14. http://www.spkorb.org/
>  15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:24:29 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <001b01cf2d11$55f6df10$01e49d30$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I agree.  That is a real close candidate.  I just may go to that, if I can't
> get a lazer lock on the actual used.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:14 PM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; tony DiGiovanna
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> 
> Looks really close to a blue Subaru WRX STI
> 
> Michael Shortt
>> On Feb 18, 2014 7:28 PM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
>>   Julian
>>   Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
>>   From: tonydigi at optonline.net
>>   To: detomaso at poca.com
>>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color Does anybody know 
>> whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does anybody know what 
>> color it is painted?
>> 
>> 
>>   _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:02:24 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEWtxWoiJqrutusjectfbS2OQ=0gYn-drrooqPie_1XwMX+maw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Here is another possibility, 2006 Honda VTX 1300 motorcycle. It's either
> Illusion Blue or Newport Blue.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Here is another possibility, 2006 Honda VTX 1300 motorcycle. It's
>   either Illusion Blue or Newport Blue.
> 
>   Michael Shortt
> -------------- next part --------------
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:23:29 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com, tonydigi at optonline.net,
>    detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <a9b17.4f259758.40357db1 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/18/14 16 22 9, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
>> 
>> The registry has this one as "Unknown 99", with a lot of photos, including
>> the one you posted.
> 
>>>> This car is not unknown.   This is Mike Marinara's car, a.k.a. "Froot
> Loops".   He won't tell you anything, but his car was done (and is perpetually 
> being redone) by Don Byars.   Give him a call and he'll tell you all you 
> need to know, color paint code etc.   He might have the VIN too?
> 
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
>   In a message dated 2/18/14 16 22 9, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes:
> 
>     The registry has this one as "Unknown 99", with a lot of photos,
>     including
>     the one you posted.
> 
>>>> This car is not unknown.  This is Mike Marinara's car, a.k.a. "Froot
>   Loops".  He won't tell you anything, but his car was done (and is
>   perpetually being redone) by Don Byars.  Give him a call and he'll tell
>   you all you need to know, color paint code etc.  He might have the VIN
>   too?
>   Mike
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:23:26 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> Message-ID: <a9b11.6952a534.40357dae at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
>> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment done on 
>> my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
>> 
>> ?- prefer not to go to Borelli
>> ?- prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
>> 
>> Thanks for any recommendations...
>> 
>>>>> FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup mods at
> my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his sleep. :>)
> 
> As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop can 
> 'do' a Pantera.   The factory alignment settings are preloaded into the 
> database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone store, so it's 
> pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the settings and use that as a 
> baseline.   The stock settings are fine for street driving; I prefer a bit 
> of negative front camber for street/track driving.
> 
> You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment, and 
> if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20 discount.
> 
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
>   In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> 
>     Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment
>     done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
>      - prefer not to go to Borelli
>      - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
>     Thanks for any recommendations...
> 
>>>> FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup
>   mods at my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his
>   sleep. :>)
>   As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop
>   can 'do' a Pantera.  The factory alignment settings are preloaded into
>   the database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone
>   store, so it's pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the
>   settings and use that as a baseline.  The stock settings are fine for
>   street driving; I prefer a bit of negative front camber for
>   street/track driving.
>   You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment,
>   and if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20 discount.
>   Mike
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:37:49 -0500 (EST)
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: bill at incendium.com, pcajthaml at gmail.com,
>    detomaso-bounces at poca.com,    michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>    new    starter?
> Message-ID: <8D0FB437A1E9B13-364-60FD at webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> My understanding is that "it started OK" is not a test for whether you are doing the best thing.
> 
> Again, my understanding is that any time which transpires that the battery is not fully charged leads to sulfate deposition on the plates.  So while it may start after 2 wks or whatever the battery will die sooner if not on a good tender because over the years those sulfates build up slowly until the battery is kaputt.
> 
> 
> I have read that a battery will lose up to 1% of its charge per day even if it is not attached to anything. So at 2 wks you are 14% down and the plates are collecting sulfate.  
> 
> I keep the batteries in my collector cars on Tenders all the time when I am not driving them and they last about 10 years.
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>; DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>; Michael Shortt <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new    starter?
> 
> 
> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery 
> hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an 
> Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru 
> Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no 
> problems and the battery is hooked up all the time. 
> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a 
> Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No 
> problems.
> 
> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.    
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33 
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>    starter?
> 
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> -------------- next part --------------
>   My understanding is that "it started OK" is not a test for whether you
>   are doing the best thing.
> 
> 
> 
>   Again, my understanding is that any time which transpires that the
>   battery is not fully charged leads to sulfate deposition on the
>   plates.  So while it may start after 2 wks or whatever the battery will
>   die sooner if not on a good tender because over the years those
>   sulfates build up slowly until the battery is kaputt.
> 
> 
> 
>   I have read that a battery will lose up to 1% of its charge per day
>   even if it is not attached to anything. So at 2 wks you are 14% down
>   and the plates are collecting sulfate.
> 
>   I keep the batteries in my collector cars on Tenders all the time when
>   I am not driving them and they last about 10 years.
> 
> 
> 
>   Jim
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
>   To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>; DeTomaso
>   <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>; Michael Shortt <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51 pm
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>   starter?
> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery
> hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an
> Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru
> Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no
> 
> problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a
> Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No
> problems.
> 
> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cajthaml <[1]pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33
> 
> To: [3]michael at michaelshortt.com<[4]michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com<[6]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>        starter?
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:04:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID:
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>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> de. Bill 1362
> Tony, I believe that is Rick Herring car. I know him from facebook and if it is his it was built by Don Byers. Ill ask rick and get back to you with a coo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
>> Sent: Feb 18, 2014 6:51 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>> 
>> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is?  And more importantly, does anybody
>> know what color it is painted?
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts  
> If you want it slick.  www.slickpaint.com  like us on facebook
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:08:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,    "bjbstewart at yahoo.com"
>    <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>,    "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Mike,
> ?
> The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack without bottoming out.? Do you carry along some boards to drive up on?
> ?
> JIm Gray
> 
> From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com; detomaso at poca.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> 
> 
> ? In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> ? ? Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment
> ? ? done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
> ? ? ? - prefer not to go to Borelli
> ? ? ? - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
> ? ? Thanks for any recommendations...
> 
> ? >>>FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup
> ? mods at my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his
> ? sleep. :>)
> ? As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop
> ? can 'do' a Pantera.? The factory alignment settings are preloaded into
> ? the database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone
> ? store, so it's pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the
> ? settings and use that as a baseline.? The stock settings are fine for
> ? street driving; I prefer a bit of negative front camber for
> ? street/track driving.
> ? You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment,
> ? and if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20 discount.
> ? Mike
> 
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>   Mike,
> 
>   The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack without
>   bottoming out.  Do you carry along some boards to drive up on?
> 
>   JIm Gray
>   From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com; detomaso at poca.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:23 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
>     In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, [1]bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
>       Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment
>       done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
>         - prefer not to go to Borelli
>         - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
>       Thanks for any recommendations...
>>>> FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup
>     mods at my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his
>     sleep. :>)
>     As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop
>     can 'do' a Pantera.  The factory alignment settings are preloaded
>   into
>     the database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone
>     store, so it's pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the
>     settings and use that as a baseline.  The stock settings are fine for
>     street driving; I prefer a bit of negative front camber for
>     street/track driving.
>     You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment,
>     and if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20
>   discount.
>     Mike
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:18:05 +0100
> From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Looking for automotive electric (Bosch)
>    repair    shop
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Thanks SOBill for the link and details. Great info.
> Cheers Bjoern
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bjoern, the Mercedes and Mad Dog's Pantera, all in one shot:
>> 
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=1881
>> 
>> Asa Jay
>> 
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/16/2014 9:25 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
>>> Bjoern has kept a hot rod Mercedes in the USA for years...he uses it for
>> open road racing!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 21:22, dave londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, but I'm intrigued by the idea of sending a Bosch motor across the
>> Atlantic for a rebuild.
>>>> dave
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16/02/2014 1:20 PM, Bjoern Flesland wrote:
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> I am looking to have a vintage Bosch wiper motor rebuilt.
>>>>> Preferably in Texas, but I am open to absolutely all suggestions.
>>>>> Do you know of such a shop?
>>>>> Any leads much appreciated.
>>>>> Regards Bjoern
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>   Thanks SOBill for the link and details. Great info.
>   Cheers Bjoern
>   On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
>   <[1]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> 
>     Bjoern, the Mercedes and Mad Dog's Pantera, all in one shot:
>     [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi
>     ew=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=1881
>     Asa Jay
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     & Shelley Marie
>     Spokane, WA
>     ******************************
>     [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>     [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> 
>>   On 2/16/2014 9:25 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
>> Bjoern has kept a hot rod Mercedes in the USA for years...he uses it
>   for open road racing!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 21:22, dave londry <[6]davel at emspace.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, but I'm intrigued by the idea of sending a Bosch motor across
>   the Atlantic for a rebuild.
>>> dave
>>> 
>>>> On 16/02/2014 1:20 PM, Bjoern Flesland wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>> I am looking to have a vintage Bosch wiper motor rebuilt.
>>>> Preferably in Texas, but I am open to absolutely all suggestions.
>>>> Do you know of such a shop?
>>>> Any leads much appreciated.
>>>> Regards Bjoern
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>   3. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>   4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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>   6. mailto:davel at emspace.com
>   7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:11:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Front End Bra
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> To All,
> 
> Anyone have a Pantera Front End Bra that they are not using for a reasonable price?
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Jim
> -------------- next part --------------
>   To All,
>   Anyone have a Pantera Front End Bra that they are not using for a
>   reasonable price?
>   Thanx,
>   Jim
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:31:41 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: grayjim at att.net, bjbstewart at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> Message-ID: <8ecf0.7b050beb.4036447d at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/19/14 7 08 36, grayjim at att.net writes:
> 
> 
>> The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack without 
>> bottoming out.? Do you carry along some boards to drive up on?
> 
>>>> I do better than that.
> 
> Rick Moseley bought a four-post lift years ago, which came with a pair of 
> heavy steel ramps.   He got tired of schlepping them around, and bought some 
> lighter aluminum versions.   He gave me the steel ones, which I in turn 
> donated to the Firestone shop.   They place their alignment rack ramps atop 
> these ramps to make the approach angle more gradual.
> 
> This also requires blocks of wood to be placed under the alignment rack 
> ramps; I normally bring some with me, as when I leave wood there, it 
> disappears.
> 
> In your case, bringing several lengths of 2x12 that you can stack up 
> underneath the alignment rack ramps would be a great solution.
> 
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
>   In a message dated 2/19/14 7 08 36, grayjim at att.net writes:
> 
>     The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack
>     without bottoming out.  Do you carry along some boards to drive up
>     on?
> 
>>>> I do better than that.
>   Rick Moseley bought a four-post lift years ago, which came with a pair
>   of heavy steel ramps.  He got tired of schlepping them around, and
>   bought some lighter aluminum versions.  He gave me the steel ones,
>   which I in turn donated to the Firestone shop.  They place their
>   alignment rack ramps atop these ramps to make the approach angle more
>   gradual.
>   This also requires blocks of wood to be placed under the alignment rack
>   ramps; I normally bring some with me, as when I leave wood there, it
>   disappears.
>   In your case, bringing several lengths of 2x12 that you can stack up
>   underneath the alignment rack ramps would be a great solution.
>   Mike
> 
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