[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 116, Issue 19
Paul A Rimov
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> 1. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 2. Alignment places in NorCal? (Brent Stewart)
> 3. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (Peter Cajthaml)
> 4. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 5. Window Trim (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 6. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (Bill Moore)
> 7. Do you know this car/color (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 8. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (Sean Korb)
> 9. Re: Do you know this car/color (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 10. Re: Do you know this car/color (Julian Kift)
> 11. Pantera in Popular Hotrodding (rcbsons1 at aol.com)
> 12. Car show Saturday in Whittier (Ken Green)
> 13. Re: Do you know this car/color (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 14. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (Boyd Casey)
> 15. Re: Do you know this car/color (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 16. Re: Do you know this car/color (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 17. Re: Do you know this car/color (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 18. Re: Alignment places in NorCal? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 19. Re: Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
> (Pantdino)
> 20. Re: Do you know this car/color (bill gaino)
> 21. Re: Alignment places in NorCal? (Jim Gray)
> 22. Re: NPC Looking for automotive electric (Bosch) repair shop
> (Bjoern Flesland)
> 23. Pantera Front End Bra (Jim Wallace)
> 24. Re: Alignment places in NorCal? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:07:22 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
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> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>
> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>> I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>> months old. I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving the
>> car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>> will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue. I may replace
>> it with the more robust one Mike described above. I typically only
>> drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for 2
>> or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>> As always thanks for the advice,
>> Peter
>> #2761
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> How old is your battery?
>>
>>
>>
>> If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace your
>> battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace it
>> too.
>>
>>
>>
>> I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>> situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Oddie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MikeLDrew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: pcajthaml <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>> starter?
>> In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5]pcajthaml at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>> back on, the starter kicks over as when new. Should I replace the
>> starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>
>>>>> No. Your starter is working fine. The most obvious suggestion is
>> to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>> the starter itself.
>> Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within your
>> disconnect switch. You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>> there are two types. One has a post that the battery cable clamps to,
>> a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>> you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves. These things are
>> pretty effective, but also extremely cheap. I would imagine (guess)
>> that overtightening can break things.
>> The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>> in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between. These seem
>> to be more robust.
>> As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>> performance. It's likely that things will function just perfectly. At
>> that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>> (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>> with it entirely.
>> FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on a
>> third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>> knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance to
>> wear out yet.
>> Let us know what you find out!
>> Mike
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>> 1. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>> 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> 3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
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> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
> <[1]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jim,
> I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than
> 6
> months old. I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
> the
> car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery,
> but I
> will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue. I may
> replace
> it with the more robust one Mike described above. I typically
> only
> drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit
> for 2
> or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
> As always thanks for the advice,
> Peter
> #2761
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1][2]pantdino at aol.com>
> wrote:
> How old is your battery?
> If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
> your
> battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace
> it
> too.
> I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
> situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
> Jim Oddie
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: MikeLDrew <[2][3]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: pcajthaml <[3][4]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
> <[4][5]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new
> starter?
>
> In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5][6]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> writes:
> So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
> back on, the starter kicks over as when new. Should I replace the
> starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>> No. Your starter is working fine. The most obvious suggestion
> is
> to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
> the starter itself.
> Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within
> your
> disconnect switch. You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
> there are two types. One has a post that the battery cable clamps
> to,
> a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
> you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves. These things
> are
> pretty effective, but also extremely cheap. I would imagine (guess)
> that overtightening can break things.
> The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
> in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between. These
> seem
> to be more robust.
> As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
> performance. It's likely that things will function just perfectly.
> At
> that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
> (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
> with it entirely.
> FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on
> a
> third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
> knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance
> to
> wear out yet.
> Let us know what you find out!
> Mike
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> References
> 1. mailto:[9]pantdino at aol.com
> 2. mailto:[10]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 3. mailto:[11]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:[12]detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:[13]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:[14]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 7. [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> [18]www.michaelshortt.com
> [19]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 912-232-9390
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> References
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> 1. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 4. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 6. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 9. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 10. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 11. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 13. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 18. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 19. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:21:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> To: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
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> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
>
> ?- prefer not to go to Borelli
> ?- prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
>
> Thanks for any recommendations...
> -------------- next part --------------
> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment done
> on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
> - prefer not to go to Borelli
> - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
> Thanks for any recommendations...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33 -0800
> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
> Message-ID:
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> Michael:
>
> good question. I only put the battery tender on if the car sits for more
> than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until maybe 24 hours
> before I intend to drive it. I am told that this type of battery holds its
> charge for a very long time. I always disconnect the battery, so where is
> it going to drain? Also, the garage never gets below 50F. I am more
> concerned with overcharging the battery, as I have a fairly simple
> (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't fully trust it! :)
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>>
>> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>> I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>>> months old. I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving the
>>> car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>>> will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue. I may replace
>>> it with the more robust one Mike described above. I typically only
>>> drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for 2
>>> or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>>> As always thanks for the advice,
>>> Peter
>>> #2761
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1]pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How old is your battery?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace your
>>> battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace it
>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>>> situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Oddie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: MikeLDrew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>> To: pcajthaml <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>>> starter?
>>> In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5]pcajthaml at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>>> back on, the starter kicks over as when new. Should I replace the
>>> starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>
>>>>>> No. Your starter is working fine. The most obvious suggestion is
>>> to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>>> the starter itself.
>>> Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within your
>>> disconnect switch. You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>>> there are two types. One has a post that the battery cable clamps to,
>>> a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>>> you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves. These things are
>>> pretty effective, but also extremely cheap. I would imagine (guess)
>>> that overtightening can break things.
>>> The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>>> in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between. These seem
>>> to be more robust.
>>> As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>>> performance. It's likely that things will function just perfectly. At
>>> that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>>> (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>>> with it entirely.
>>> FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on a
>>> third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>>> knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance to
>>> wear out yet.
>>> Let us know what you find out!
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>>> 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> 3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> 5. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>>> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
>>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
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> -------------- next part --------------
> Michael:
> good question. I only put the battery tender on if the car sits for
> more than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until maybe
> 24 hours before I intend to drive it. I am told that this type of
> battery holds its charge for a very long time. I always disconnect the
> battery, so where is it going to drain? Also, the garage never gets
> below 50F. I am more concerned with overcharging the battery, as I
> have a fairly simple (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't fully
> trust it! :)
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
> <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>
> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
> <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jim,
> I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
> months old. I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
> the
> car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
> will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue. I may
> replace
> it with the more robust one Mike described above. I typically only
> drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for
> 2
> or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
> As always thanks for the advice,
> Peter
> #2761
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1][4]pantdino at aol.com>
> wrote:
> How old is your battery?
> If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
> your
> battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace
> it
> too.
> I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
> situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
> Jim Oddie
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: MikeLDrew <[2][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: pcajthaml <[3][6]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
> <[4][7]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new
> starter?
>
> In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5][8]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> writes:
> So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
> back on, the starter kicks over as when new. Should I replace the
> starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>> No. Your starter is working fine. The most obvious suggestion
> is
> to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
> the starter itself.
> Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within
> your
> disconnect switch. You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
> there are two types. One has a post that the battery cable clamps
> to,
> a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
> you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves. These things
> are
> pretty effective, but also extremely cheap. I would imagine (guess)
> that overtightening can break things.
> The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
> in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between. These
> seem
> to be more robust.
> As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
> performance. It's likely that things will function just perfectly.
> At
> that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
> (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
> with it entirely.
> FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on
> a
> third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
> knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance
> to
> wear out yet.
> Let us know what you find out!
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
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> References
> 1. mailto:[11]pantdino at aol.com
> 2. mailto:[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 3. mailto:[13]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:[15]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:[16]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 7. [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
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> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> [20]www.michaelshortt.com
> [21]michael at michaelshortt.com
> [22]912-232-9390
>
> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified
> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that
> you
> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 6. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
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> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 11. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
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> 13. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:39:56 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
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> If you are not using a Battery Tender brand, I would keep on doing what
> you're doing.
>
> The BT have a way of sensing the amount of charge needed ( or not ) and
> keeps the battery at
> it best performance level.
>
> You can find the Battery tender Jr online for under $50,.00, considering
> the cost of a $200 battery, it's a good investment.
>
> Optimas ( and I had owned many and still do ) don't like regular chargers
> or being boosted.
>
> As far as what runs them down, in my car, it's probably the clock and door
> lights,
>
> I have done the most stupid thing at least twice and left the manual fans
> on after parking it, not fun the next time out.
>
>
> Michael'
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Michael:
>> good question. I only put the battery tender on if the car sits for
>> more than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until maybe
>> 24 hours before I intend to drive it. I am told that this type of
>> battery holds its charge for a very long time. I always disconnect the
>> battery, so where is it going to drain? Also, the garage never gets
>> below 50F. I am more concerned with overcharging the battery, as I
>> have a fairly simple (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't fully
>> trust it! :)
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
>> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
>> <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>> I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than 6
>> months old. I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
>> the
>> car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery, but I
>> will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue. I may
>> replace
>> it with the more robust one Mike described above. I typically only
>> drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit for
>> 2
>> or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
>> As always thanks for the advice,
>> Peter
>> #2761
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino <[1][4]pantdino at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>> How old is your battery?
>> If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
>> your
>> battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes replace
>> it
>> too.
>> I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
>> situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
>> Jim Oddie
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: MikeLDrew <[2][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: pcajthaml <[3][6]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
>> <[4][7]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
>> new
>> starter?
>>
>> In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33, [5][8]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> writes:
>> So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and then
>> back on, the starter kicks over as when new. Should I replace the
>> starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>>> No. Your starter is working fine. The most obvious suggestion
>> is
>> to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid, and
>> the starter itself.
>> Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly within
>> your
>> disconnect switch. You don't mention which kind you have? Broadly,
>> there are two types. One has a post that the battery cable clamps
>> to,
>> a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green) that
>> you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves. These things
>> are
>> pretty effective, but also extremely cheap. I would imagine (guess)
>> that overtightening can break things.
>> The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the cable
>> in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between. These
>> seem
>> to be more robust.
>> As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
>> performance. It's likely that things will function just perfectly.
>> At
>> that point you get to decide whether you want to service the switch
>> (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do away
>> with it entirely.
>> FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch on
>> a
>> third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
>> knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a chance
>> to
>> wear out yet.
>> Let us know what you find out!
>> Mike
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>> 3. mailto:[13]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 4. mailto:[14]detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:[15]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 6. mailto:[16]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 7. [17]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>> Savannah, Georgia
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>> [21]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> [22]912-232-9390
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>> 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 4. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> 6. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 8. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 11. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
>> 12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> 13. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 15. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
>> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 18. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 19. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>
>
>
>
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> If you are not using a Battery Tender brand, I would keep on doing what
> you're doing.
> The BT have a way of sensing the amount of charge needed ( or not ) and
> keeps the battery at
> it best performance level.
> You can find the Battery tender Jr online for under $50,.00,
> considering the cost of a $200 battery, it's a good investment.
> Optimas ( and I had owned many and still do ) don't like regular
> chargers or being boosted.
> As far as what runs them down, in my car, it's probably the clock and
> door lights,
> I have done the most stupid thing at least twice and left the manual
> fans on after parking it, not fun the next time out.
> Michael'
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Peter Cajthaml
> <[1]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Michael:
> good question. I only put the battery tender on if the car sits
> for
> more than a week, and even then, I don't usually put it on until
> maybe
> 24 hours before I intend to drive it. I am told that this type
> of
> battery holds its charge for a very long time. I always
> disconnect the
> battery, so where is it going to drain? Also, the garage never
> gets
> below 50F. I am more concerned with overcharging the battery, as
> I
> have a fairly simple (inexpensive) trickle charger and don't
> fully
> trust it! :)
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM, [1][2]michael at michaelshortt.com
> <[2][3]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> Are you keeping a Battery Tender on the car between drives?
> Best way to preserve the life of an Optima.
> Michael Shortt
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Peter Cajthaml
>
> <[3][4]pcajthaml at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jim,
> I have a brand new Sears Die Hard Platinum (Odyssey) - less than
> 6
> months old. I like using the cutoff switch when I am not driving
> the
> car to minimize the leakage current from draining the battery,
> but I
> will remove the switch to see if it solves this issue. I may
> replace
> it with the more robust one Mike described above. I typically
> only
> drive the car on the weekend, and if I am away, the car may sit
> for
> 2
> or 3 weeks w/o being driven.
> As always thanks for the advice,
> Peter
> #2761
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Pantdino
> <[1][4][5]pantdino at aol.com>
>
> wrote:
> How old is your battery?
> If the disconnect switch is OK and the problem persists, replace
> your
> battery. Or if you have the green knob kind Mike describes
> replace
> it
> too.
> I spent hours evaluating things last time I had this "no start"
> situation and replacing the battery made it all go away.
> Jim Oddie
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: MikeLDrew <[2][5][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: pcajthaml <[3][6][7]pcajthaml at gmail.com>; detomaso
> <[4][7][8]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for
> a
> new
> starter?
>
> In a message dated 2/17/14 12 08 33,
> [5][8][9]pcajthaml at gmail.com
>
> writes:
> So far, after turning off the battery disconnect switch and
> then
> back on, the starter kicks over as when new. Should I replace
> the
> starter before I get stuck somewhere?
>>>> No. Your starter is working fine. The most obvious
> suggestion
> is
> to check all your connections--at the battery, starter solenoid,
> and
> the starter itself.
> Assuming they are all good, the problem is almost assuredly
> within
> your
> disconnect switch. You don't mention which kind you have?
> Broadly,
> there are two types. One has a post that the battery cable
> clamps
> to,
> a clamp to attach it to the battery, and a knob (usually green)
> that
> you unscrew to electrically separate the two halves. These
> things
> are
> pretty effective, but also extremely cheap. I would imagine
> (guess)
> that overtightening can break things.
> The other kind is a proper switch, with two posts (one for the
> cable
> in, another for a cable out) and a keyed switch in between.
> These
> seem
> to be more robust.
> As an experiment, remove the switch from your system and evaluate
> performance. It's likely that things will function just
> perfectly.
> At
> that point you get to decide whether you want to service the
> switch
> (could there be a buildup of corrosion), replace it, or just do
> away
> with it entirely.
> FWIW I have key-type switches on two cars, and a knob-type switch
> on
> a
> third one--all of them have worked great for years, although the
> knob-style switch is rarely disconnected so it hasn't had a
> chance
> to
> wear out yet.
> Let us know what you find out!
> Mike
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> 2. mailto:[12][13]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 3. mailto:[13][14]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:[14][15]detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:[15][16]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:[16][17]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 7.
> [17][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> Savannah, Georgia
>
> [20][21]www.michaelshortt.com
> [21][22]michael at michaelshortt.com
> [22]912-232-9390
>
> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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> References
> 1. mailto:[23]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 2. mailto:[24]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 3. mailto:[25]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:[26]pantdino at aol.com
> 5. mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 6. mailto:[28]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:[29]detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:[30]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 9. mailto:[31]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 10. [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 11. mailto:[33]pantdino at aol.com
> 12. mailto:[34]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 13. mailto:[35]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 14. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com
> 15. mailto:[37]pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 16. mailto:[38]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 17. [39]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 18. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 19. [41]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 20. [42]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 21. mailto:[43]michael at michaelshortt.com
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> [47]www.michaelshortt.com
> [48]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 912-232-9390
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> 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 3. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 4. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 5. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 7. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 9. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 12. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 13. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 14. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 16. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 19. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 20. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 21. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 22. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 23. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 25. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 26. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 27. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 28. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 29. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 30. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 33. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 34. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 35. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 37. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 38. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 39. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 40. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 41. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 42. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 43. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 44. tel:912-232-9390
> 45. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 46. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 47. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 48. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:49:46 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Window Trim
> Message-ID: <008501cf2d04$1a91de00$4fb59a00$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> How does one, correctly, remove the chrome trim piece on the door, along the
> bottom of the window?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:49:58 +0000
> From: "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com>
> To: "Peter Cajthaml" <pcajthaml at gmail.com>, "DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>, "Michael Shortt"
> <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
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> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No problems.
>
> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
> starter?
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <008601cf2d04$68da4d90$3a8ee8b0$@optonline.net>
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> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:15:35 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
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> I'm counting on that. I have 6 batteries between my under-driven 25+
> year old cars and I rotate the tender to each one over the week. It's
> pretty labor intensive but cheaper than buying 6 battery tenders :)
> The 635CSI drains pretty fast because the NiCds in the dash need
> replacing, ironically enough. The 443 Mustang has a Crane Hi-6 wired
> to the battery and that gives it a slow drain as well.
>
> sean
>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
>> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No problems.
>>
>> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
>> Bill Moore
>> Incendium Supply
>> Calgary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33
>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>> starter?
>>
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> --
> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:20:54 -0800
> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> To: "'Tony DiGiovanna'" <tonydigi at optonline.net>, <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <29A8E621A5144FE09F57286BDB408C08 at BOSS3A>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Tony,
>
> The registry has this one as "Unknown 99", with a lot of photos, including
> the one you posted.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> DiGiovanna
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:52 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:27:45 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>, De Tomaso List
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <BAY173-W3755F646320F3B3AAEAA04959B0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
> Julian
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
> From: tonydigi at optonline.net
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
>
>
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> The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
> Julian
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
> From: tonydigi at optonline.net
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does anybody
> know what color it is painted?
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:51:09 -0500 (EST)
> From: rcbsons1 at aol.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera in Popular Hotrodding
> Message-ID: <8D0FB23CFBB8635-734-5949 at webmail-d260.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I just received a text and voice mail from two
> buddies... The Optima Pantera is in Popular Hotrodding
> page 23 for the month of April.. I have not see the article
> so i will have to wait for my copy to show up
>
> I also just got the Firebird running again so
> Christmas is coming early.... or late depending
> on how you look at it
>
> Panteracer Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
> -------------- next part --------------
> I just received a text and voice mail from two
> buddies... The Optima Pantera is in Popular Hotrodding
> page 23 for the month of April.. I have not see the article
> so i will have to wait for my copy to show up
> I also just got the Firebird running again so
> Christmas is coming early.... or late depending
> on how you look at it
> Panteracer Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:08:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Car show Saturday in Whittier
> Message-ID:
> <1392772086.33530.YahooMailNeo at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The Whittier Area Community Church (a very large church) is having their annual car show Saturday.? It was pretty big a couple years ago and it seems to be something they are growing.? There was a least one Pantera and a number of vendors including Stop Tech brakes.? My favorite was the reconstructed Beach City Vette funnycar.
>
> http://whittierareaclassiccarshow.com/
> -------------- next part --------------
> The Whittier Area Community Church (a very large church) is having
> their annual car show Saturday. It was pretty big a couple years ago
> and it seems to be something they are growing. There was a least one
> Pantera and a number of vendors including Stop Tech brakes. My
> favorite was the reconstructed Beach City Vette funnycar.
> [1]http://whittierareaclassiccarshow.com/
>
> References
>
> 1. http://whittierareaclassiccarshow.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:14:25 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com, tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID:
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>
> Looks really close to a blue Subaru WRX STI
>
> Michael Shortt
>> On Feb 18, 2014 7:28 PM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
>> Julian
>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
>> From: tonydigi at optonline.net
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does
>> anybody
>> know what color it is painted?
>>
>>
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> Looks really close to a blue Subaru WRX STI
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Feb 18, 2014 7:28 PM, "Julian Kift" <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
> Julian
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
> From: [2]tonydigi at optonline.net
> To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does
> anybody
> know what color it is painted?
> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
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> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. mailto:tonydigi at optonline.net
> 3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:15:19 -0500
> From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
> Message-ID:
> <CALsQ=csdG9XDhbm7F68RK1vPgsEEZTnAqdw2z=28Mv7o=CBGzA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> If it's not the battery cutoff switch check the solenoid mounted on the
> firewall. Mine went bad and I mistakenly replaced two starters before
> finding that I had a cracked solenoid. $12.00 (and $500 for two starters)
> plus labor.
> Boyd
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm counting on that. I have 6 batteries between my under-driven 25+
>> year old cars and I rotate the tender to each one over the week. It's
>> pretty labor intensive but cheaper than buying 6 battery tenders :)
>> The 635CSI drains pretty fast because the NiCds in the dash need
>> replacing, ironically enough. The 443 Mustang has a Crane Hi-6 wired
>> to the battery and that gives it a slow drain as well.
>>
>> sean
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the
>> battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera
>> has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old.
>> From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two
>> weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
>>> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook
>> up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years.
>> No problems.
>>>
>>> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
>>> Bill Moore
>>> Incendium Supply
>>> Calgary
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>>> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014
>> 15:32:33
>>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
>>> starter?
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> If it's not the battery cutoff switch check the solenoid mounted on the
> firewall. Mine went bad and I mistakenly replaced two starters before
> finding that I had a cracked solenoid. $12.00 (and $500 for two
> starters) plus labor.
> Boyd
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm counting on that. I have 6 batteries between my under-driven
> 25+
> year old cars and I rotate the tender to each one over the week.
> It's
> pretty labor intensive but cheaper than buying 6 battery tenders :)
> The 635CSI drains pretty fast because the NiCds in the dash need
> replacing, ironically enough. The 443 Mustang has a Crane Hi-6
> wired
> to the battery and that gives it a slow drain as well.
> sean
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bill Moore <[2]bill at incendium.com>
> wrote:
>> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with
> the battery hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My
> Pantera has an Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5
> years old. From May thru Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with
> one or two weeks between starts no problems and the battery is hooked
> up all the time.
>> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and
> hook up a Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last
> three years. No problems.
>>
>> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
>> Bill Moore
>> Incendium Supply
>> Calgary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Cajthaml <[3]pcajthaml at gmail.com>
>> Sender: "DeTomaso" <[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb
> 2014 15:32:33
>> To: [5]michael at michaelshortt.com<[6]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com<[8]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new
>> starter?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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> --
> Sean Korb [13]spkorb at spkorb.org [14]http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P.
> Picasso
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> 3. mailto:pcajthaml at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 5. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 6. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 13. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 14. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:24:29 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <001b01cf2d11$55f6df10$01e49d30$@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I agree. That is a real close candidate. I just may go to that, if I can't
> get a lazer lock on the actual used.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:14 PM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; tony DiGiovanna
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>
> Looks really close to a blue Subaru WRX STI
>
> Michael Shortt
>> On Feb 18, 2014 7:28 PM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The photo came through for me, it's blue :)
>> Julian
>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:51:57 -0500
>> From: tonydigi at optonline.net
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color Does anybody know
>> whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does anybody know what
>> color it is painted?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:02:24 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> To: tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID:
> <CAEWtxWoiJqrutusjectfbS2OQ=0gYn-drrooqPie_1XwMX+maw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Here is another possibility, 2006 Honda VTX 1300 motorcycle. It's either
> Illusion Blue or Newport Blue.
>
> Michael Shortt
> -------------- next part --------------
> Here is another possibility, 2006 Honda VTX 1300 motorcycle. It's
> either Illusion Blue or Newport Blue.
>
> Michael Shortt
> -------------- next part --------------
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:23:29 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com, tonydigi at optonline.net,
> detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
> Message-ID: <a9b17.4f259758.40357db1 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/14 16 22 9, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>>
>> The registry has this one as "Unknown 99", with a lot of photos, including
>> the one you posted.
>
>>>> This car is not unknown. This is Mike Marinara's car, a.k.a. "Froot
> Loops". He won't tell you anything, but his car was done (and is perpetually
> being redone) by Don Byars. Give him a call and he'll tell you all you
> need to know, color paint code etc. He might have the VIN too?
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 2/18/14 16 22 9, detomasoregistry at gmail.com writes:
>
> The registry has this one as "Unknown 99", with a lot of photos,
> including
> the one you posted.
>
>>>> This car is not unknown. This is Mike Marinara's car, a.k.a. "Froot
> Loops". He won't tell you anything, but his car was done (and is
> perpetually being redone) by Don Byars. Give him a call and he'll tell
> you all you need to know, color paint code etc. He might have the VIN
> too?
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:23:26 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> Message-ID: <a9b11.6952a534.40357dae at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment done on
>> my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
>>
>> ?- prefer not to go to Borelli
>> ?- prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
>>
>> Thanks for any recommendations...
>>
>>>>> FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup mods at
> my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his sleep. :>)
>
> As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop can
> 'do' a Pantera. The factory alignment settings are preloaded into the
> database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone store, so it's
> pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the settings and use that as a
> baseline. The stock settings are fine for street driving; I prefer a bit
> of negative front camber for street/track driving.
>
> You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment, and
> if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20 discount.
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment
> done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
> - prefer not to go to Borelli
> - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
> Thanks for any recommendations...
>
>>>> FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup
> mods at my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his
> sleep. :>)
> As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop
> can 'do' a Pantera. The factory alignment settings are preloaded into
> the database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone
> store, so it's pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the
> settings and use that as a baseline. The stock settings are fine for
> street driving; I prefer a bit of negative front camber for
> street/track driving.
> You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment,
> and if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20 discount.
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:37:49 -0500 (EST)
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: bill at incendium.com, pcajthaml at gmail.com,
> detomaso-bounces at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a
> new starter?
> Message-ID: <8D0FB437A1E9B13-364-60FD at webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> My understanding is that "it started OK" is not a test for whether you are doing the best thing.
>
> Again, my understanding is that any time which transpires that the battery is not fully charged leads to sulfate deposition on the plates. So while it may start after 2 wks or whatever the battery will die sooner if not on a good tender because over the years those sulfates build up slowly until the battery is kaputt.
>
>
> I have read that a battery will lose up to 1% of its charge per day even if it is not attached to anything. So at 2 wks you are 14% down and the plates are collecting sulfate.
>
> I keep the batteries in my collector cars on Tenders all the time when I am not driving them and they last about 10 years.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>; DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>; Michael Shortt <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new starter?
>
>
> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery
> hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an
> Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru
> Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no
> problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a
> Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No
> problems.
>
> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
> starter?
>
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> My understanding is that "it started OK" is not a test for whether you
> are doing the best thing.
>
>
>
> Again, my understanding is that any time which transpires that the
> battery is not fully charged leads to sulfate deposition on the
> plates. So while it may start after 2 wks or whatever the battery will
> die sooner if not on a good tender because over the years those
> sulfates build up slowly until the battery is kaputt.
>
>
>
> I have read that a battery will lose up to 1% of its charge per day
> even if it is not attached to anything. So at 2 wks you are 14% down
> and the plates are collecting sulfate.
>
> I keep the batteries in my collector cars on Tenders all the time when
> I am not driving them and they last about 10 years.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> To: Peter Cajthaml <pcajthaml at gmail.com>; DeTomaso
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>; Michael Shortt <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
> starter?
> Peter, you should be able to leave your car sit for two weeks with the battery
> hooked up, without a battery tender, in a 50 f garage. My Pantera has an
> Interstate, nothing special battery that is at least 5 years old. From May thru
> Oct my car will start everytime, anytime with one or two weeks between starts no
>
> problems and the battery is hooked up all the time.
> During winter Nov - Apr I disconnect the battery Negative wire and hook up a
> Ctek battery tender($87CDN). I've done this for the last three years. No
> problems.
>
> Your battery should hold a hooked up charge for two weeks.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Cajthaml <[1]pcajthaml at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:33
>
> To: [3]michael at michaelshortt.com<[4]michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com<[6]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Strange electrical issue - is it time for a new
> starter?
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:04:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
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> de. Bill 1362
> Tony, I believe that is Rick Herring car. I know him from facebook and if it is his it was built by Don Byers. Ill ask rick and get back to you with a coo
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
>> Sent: Feb 18, 2014 6:51 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Do you know this car/color
>>
>> Does anybody know whose Pantera this is? And more importantly, does anybody
>> know what color it is painted?
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts
> If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:08:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
> To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "bjbstewart at yahoo.com"
> <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
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> Mike,
> ?
> The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack without bottoming out.? Do you carry along some boards to drive up on?
> ?
> JIm Gray
>
> From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
>
>
> ? In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
>
> ? ? Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment
> ? ? done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
> ? ? ? - prefer not to go to Borelli
> ? ? ? - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
> ? ? Thanks for any recommendations...
>
> ? >>>FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup
> ? mods at my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his
> ? sleep. :>)
> ? As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop
> ? can 'do' a Pantera.? The factory alignment settings are preloaded into
> ? the database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone
> ? store, so it's pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the
> ? settings and use that as a baseline.? The stock settings are fine for
> ? street driving; I prefer a bit of negative front camber for
> ? street/track driving.
> ? You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment,
> ? and if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20 discount.
> ? Mike
>
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> Mike,
>
> The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack without
> bottoming out. Do you carry along some boards to drive up on?
>
> JIm Gray
> From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: bjbstewart at yahoo.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> In a message dated 2/18/14 15 22 26, [1]bjbstewart at yahoo.com writes:
> Is there any place in San Jose / SF Bay Area to get an alignment
> done on my Pantera where they've at least seen one before?
> - prefer not to go to Borelli
> - prefer not to go to Custom Alignment
> Thanks for any recommendations...
>>>> FWIW, I've done so many steering rack overhauls/suspension setup
> mods at my house that my local Firestone guy can do a Pantera in his
> sleep. :>)
> As long as you bring them a bit of knowledge, any good alignment shop
> can 'do' a Pantera. The factory alignment settings are preloaded
> into
> the database for the Hunter alignment machine at my local Firestone
> store, so it's pretty straightforward for them to just pull up the
> settings and use that as a baseline. The stock settings are fine for
> street driving; I prefer a bit of negative front camber for
> street/track driving.
> You shouldn't be paying more than $70 or so for a complete alignment,
> and if you watch the junk mail flyers you can often get a $20
> discount.
> Mike
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> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:18:05 +0100
> From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Looking for automotive electric (Bosch)
> repair shop
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>
> Thanks SOBill for the link and details. Great info.
> Cheers Bjoern
>
>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bjoern, the Mercedes and Mad Dog's Pantera, all in one shot:
>>
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=1881
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
>>
>>> On 2/16/2014 9:25 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
>>> Bjoern has kept a hot rod Mercedes in the USA for years...he uses it for
>> open road racing!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 21:22, dave londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, but I'm intrigued by the idea of sending a Bosch motor across the
>> Atlantic for a rebuild.
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2014 1:20 PM, Bjoern Flesland wrote:
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> I am looking to have a vintage Bosch wiper motor rebuilt.
>>>>> Preferably in Texas, but I am open to absolutely all suggestions.
>>>>> Do you know of such a shop?
>>>>> Any leads much appreciated.
>>>>> Regards Bjoern
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Thanks SOBill for the link and details. Great info.
> Cheers Bjoern
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
> <[1]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> Bjoern, the Mercedes and Mad Dog's Pantera, all in one shot:
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&vi
> ew=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=1881
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [3]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> [5]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
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>> On 2/16/2014 9:25 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
>> Bjoern has kept a hot rod Mercedes in the USA for years...he uses it
> for open road racing!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 21:22, dave londry <[6]davel at emspace.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, but I'm intrigued by the idea of sending a Bosch motor across
> the Atlantic for a rebuild.
>>> dave
>>>
>>>> On 16/02/2014 1:20 PM, Bjoern Flesland wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>> I am looking to have a vintage Bosch wiper motor rebuilt.
>>>> Preferably in Texas, but I am open to absolutely all suggestions.
>>>> Do you know of such a shop?
>>>> Any leads much appreciated.
>>>> Regards Bjoern
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=1881
> 3. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> 4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> 6. mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:11:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Front End Bra
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> To All,
>
> Anyone have a Pantera Front End Bra that they are not using for a reasonable price?
>
> Thanx,
>
> Jim
> -------------- next part --------------
> To All,
> Anyone have a Pantera Front End Bra that they are not using for a
> reasonable price?
> Thanx,
> Jim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:31:41 -0500 (EST)
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: grayjim at att.net, bjbstewart at yahoo.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alignment places in NorCal?
> Message-ID: <8ecf0.7b050beb.4036447d at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> In a message dated 2/19/14 7 08 36, grayjim at att.net writes:
>
>
>> The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack without
>> bottoming out.? Do you carry along some boards to drive up on?
>
>>>> I do better than that.
>
> Rick Moseley bought a four-post lift years ago, which came with a pair of
> heavy steel ramps. He got tired of schlepping them around, and bought some
> lighter aluminum versions. He gave me the steel ones, which I in turn
> donated to the Firestone shop. They place their alignment rack ramps atop
> these ramps to make the approach angle more gradual.
>
> This also requires blocks of wood to be placed under the alignment rack
> ramps; I normally bring some with me, as when I leave wood there, it
> disappears.
>
> In your case, bringing several lengths of 2x12 that you can stack up
> underneath the alignment rack ramps would be a great solution.
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 2/19/14 7 08 36, grayjim at att.net writes:
>
> The problem I have at Firestone is getting the car on the rack
> without bottoming out. Do you carry along some boards to drive up
> on?
>
>>>> I do better than that.
> Rick Moseley bought a four-post lift years ago, which came with a pair
> of heavy steel ramps. He got tired of schlepping them around, and
> bought some lighter aluminum versions. He gave me the steel ones,
> which I in turn donated to the Firestone shop. They place their
> alignment rack ramps atop these ramps to make the approach angle more
> gradual.
> This also requires blocks of wood to be placed under the alignment rack
> ramps; I normally bring some with me, as when I leave wood there, it
> disappears.
> In your case, bringing several lengths of 2x12 that you can stack up
> underneath the alignment rack ramps would be a great solution.
> Mike
>
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