[DeTomaso] Tire advice

Sat Feb 15 20:36:31 EST 2014

Sean,

I have several sets, two original 15" Campys sets ( Single Slot & Double
Slot )
& two 17" sets, both 9" fronts and 11"rears, one set are 335/35/17 &
235/40/17 P Zeros, they looking freaking fabulous on the car and drive fine
on the street, on track and on twisty roads, they understeer to a
noticeable degree, the back bites, doesn't slide well and there's not
enough rubber on the ground up front.
The next set are Kumhos in 315/35/17 & 245/40/17.
The difference is day on night as far as handling goes, very well balanced,
the back slides with predictability and the front feels planted and turns
into with great confidence.
They don't look nearly as fierce as the PZeros, but the tread pattern is
nice and looks aggressive. I can't report much on wet weather driving, I
don't like detailing it enough to do that very often.
Both have minimal sidewalls and you do have to be cautionious with
pronounce curbs and driveway entries.

Michael Shortt
On Feb 15, 2014 4:51 PM, "Christopher Kimball" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
wrote:

> I did note when reading about date codes that the code might be on the
> inside of the tire.  I can't see anything else that would be a date code on
> the outside of the tire.  Next time I'm under the car, I'll see if I can
> find the correct code on the inside sidewall, and I'll post it.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Chris
>
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> From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com;
> mikeldrew at aol.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:47:36 -0800
>
> Chris,
>
> That is not the date code, should be preceded by DOT and some letters,
> possibly on the other side of the tire.
>
> Julian
>
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> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> From: chrisvkimball at msn.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:40:38 -0800
>
>  The only number I see that looks date-code-like is 0212195.  Preceding
> that there is a circle with E4 in it.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>  ------------------------------
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Sent: 2/15/2014 1:20 PM
> To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Thomas<mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
> 'Pantdino' <pantdino at aol.com>; MikeLDrew at aol.com <mikeldrew at aol.com>;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
>
>  Post up the date codes, I struggle to believe even Les would sell 15
> year old stock and I'm not sure the Proxes or even Toyo's were available
> back then!
>
>  Julian
>  ------------------------------
> From: chrisvkimball at msn.com
> To: mbefthomas at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com; mikeldrew at aol.com;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:39:14 -0800
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
>
> I put them on about 5 years ago, I think.  They were new from a Les Schwab
> warehouse, but if I'm reading the date code correctly (which may or may not
> be the case...), they might have been manufactured back in '95.  I guess
> I'd better obey all the speed limits until I replace them!
>
>  Chris
>
>  ------------------------------
> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; pantdino at aol.com; mikeldrew at aol.com;
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:31:12 -0800
>
>  Any idea how old the rears were when you put them on the car?
>
>
>
> *Mike Thomas*
>
> *VP, POCA*
>
> *VP, Panteras Northwest*
>
> *Yellow '74 #6328*
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> *From:* DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher
> Kimball
> *Sent:* Friday, February 14, 2014 9:32 PM
> *To:* Pantdino; mikeldrew at aol.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
>
>
>
> Yes, the Toyos I'm getting for the front are the same as the rear.  The
> ones on the rear I got a few years ago, and they were the last pair they
> had.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From: *Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> *Sent: *2/14/2014 9:24 PM
> *To: *chrisvkimball at msn.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc: *detomaso at poca.com
> *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
>
> Are the Toyos the same type as you have on the rear, or similar wear
> rating?
>
> If so, they would make sense.  Toyo makes a broad range of tires so the
> manufacturer means little in this case.
>
>
>
> But Mike is right about rear tires-- even some years ago I went to 17"
> wheels because it was getting too hard to find 15" tires to fit the rear.
> (Yes, I know Pirelli runs off a batch every so often.  But there are so
> many modern, great tires readily available in 17" it didn't make sense to
> me to mess with it.)
>
>
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>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; michael <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: Pantera list serve <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 2:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
>
> Bummer.  I just assumed if they had 15" 225s they'd have 285 or 295, too.
>
>
>
> Since I bought the front tires, I've driven over 25,000 miles.  The tire
> guy I went to for alignment said the inner tread was down to the replace
> mark, while the outer tread was still OK, barely.  He said the wheels had a
> slight camber outward, which he said was probably for better cornering.  He
> said it wasn't significant, but if I were going to drive to San Diego, I
> should replace the tires before I left.
>
>
>
> Based on all the comments, especially the part about not mixing tire
> brands, I think I'm going with the Toyos.
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Chris
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:06:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/14/14 7 18 3, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
>
>  When all four tires wear out next time, my sons will be out of college,
> so I'll just buy a whole set of the Pirelli P-zeros.  They are rated to
> almost 200 mph.
>
>
>
> >>>No, you won't.  They don't make any tires in the appropriate size for
> the rear of your car.  They haven't made them in anything approaching that
> size for more than 20 years.  So don't tell people that you are going to
> 'just buy a set of Pirellis', because they will suggest that you do just
> that.  I might suggest it too, if you could, but you can't.
>
> Beware of listening to advice from people who don't know what kind of car
> you have, and are simply assuming that you have a GT5 or GT5-S.  (He is
> running 225/50 front and 295/50 rear Toyos on 15x8 and 15x10 wheels, on a
> stock-body Pantera).
>
> Your only practical choice is to buy new front tires to match your rears
> as closely as possible.
>
> FWIW my H/V rated (rear/front) BFG tires are 20 years old and have been
> subjected to a fair amount of racetrack use (but less road miles than
> yours).  They still have more than half their (tread) life left, although
> they are rather hard and slippery (they weren't much better when new!).
> Take care to align your car and you should get plenty of years out of your
> tires too.
>
> When your front and rear tires wear out, chances are you will be able to
> find a full set of S-rated BFG tires in the appropriate sizes, but that's
> about it.
>
> Mike (with a set of Toyos on the shelf, ready to go on, perhaps later this
> year?)
>
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