[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
John Taphorn
jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Sat Feb 8 23:34:53 EST 2014
A better driver can always find the opportunity to excel over his
competition. Nice job making us proud
JT
On 2/8/2014 7:18 PM, LS wrote:
> John,
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> I am humiliating newer Lambos, Ferraris and Maseratis now with totally
> stock suspension, braking and cooling systems.
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> What am I doing wrong?
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> LS
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> *From:* John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> *To:* cengles at cox.net; lashdeep at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2014 7:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
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> My perspective on modified Panteras is as such.
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> In the 80s and 90s, one could mildly modify a Pantera and be among the
> fastest production cars on the street or on at the track. It was a
> sports car whose performance could rival or exceed almost any other
> production sports car regardless of cost. We could humiliate more
> expensive Ferraris, Lambos and Vettes at the track. How could one not
> give into temptation. I took pleasure believing that I had a higher
> performance car for a fraction of the cost and the pride knowing I
> contributed to making it possible. I believe that all who actually
> used their cars, modified them to enjoy a fuller capability. As I
> have gotten older with my racing experiences behind me, I can see how
> older owners may not have been as performance motivated and more
> financially so. It always seemed to me the stock advocates were
> always motivated by a sense of value appreciation rather than driving
> enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that, til it becomes evangelical in
> their persuasion of others.
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> Sometime in the 2000s, new production car horsepower and handling
> began to improve demonstrably. It takes a lot more effort and a very
> good driver to make a Pantera competitive with modern sports cars.
> IMHO, they simply do not handle as well as modern production
> sportscars. Thus, many give up trying.
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> As a result, new comers to the Pantera arena wonder why people did not
> leave them stock and appreciate them for what they were. My response
> is that "You had to be there."
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> JT
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> On 2/7/2014 8:11 AM, cengles at cox.net <mailto:cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>> Dear Lashdeep,
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>> Your points are well taken. I would point out that the
>> passion and enthusiasm of the this group for Panteras and
>> modifications thereof, are related to the belated market
>> appreciation of stock original Panteras. We have modified and
>> maintained them and kept them driveable and usable. As Charlie
>> McCall says, "raising Pantera awareness."
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>> I own two Panteras. Both were bone stock when I bought
>> them in twenty five years ago. Each modification was a definite
>> incremental improvement in the car's performance. I wouldn't go back.
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>> On the other hand, a good friend, who owns two Diablos,
>> finally succumbed to my influence and bought a Pantera. As he says,
>> " I have all the horsepower I want. I want a low mileage stock
>> Pantera." He bought a Pantera that was ever so slightly
>> misrepresented as a low mileage stock Pantera. He has proceeded to
>> spend the last several months correcting things and restoring it back
>> to stock original.
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>> So, for whatever reason, it does seem to be the "Second
>> Coming of Panteras". They are wonderful cars.
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>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:28 PM, LS wrote:
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>> We all have our ways of enjoying our cars and are entitled to do
>> whatever we please obviously.
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>> There is a quantitative way to measure the world's perception of our
>> beloved Detomaso cars...sales prices.
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>> Many of you equate the fixation or study of sales prices with cold
>> greed, sterile investment, or outright snobbery.
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>> It is, in actuality, the easiest way to determine what the world
>> (including us) thinks of Detomaso.
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>> A simple observation here is that cosmetically stock cars are
>> bringing strong money. It appears that even the slightest cosmetic
>> modification detracts in some way from the sales prices.
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>> Even a simple change detracts from this ultimate fact and will
>> potentially devalue the cars.
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>> I have no problem with modifications but we still need to realize
>> that we all have started with one of the most perfectly styled
>> exotics (including the original wheels) ever created.
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>> I have a suspicion that some of you long time owners don't want to
>> believe this.
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>> ___________________________________
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>> *From: *Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> *To: *detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:47 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
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>> I would think the best thing to do is acknowledge that we might not
>> get any monetary benefit to all those mods we put into the cars. And,
>> in fact, if we start with a highly original car, we will be far less
>> likely to get any monetary benefit. But, is that why we modify the
>> cars? To make money? If so, well, then we ain’t all that bright.
>> Flip side, given the surprisingly poor quality of many of the mods I
>> have seen on cars I looked at when finding 5332 – including 5332 –
>> the reality is that all too many modified cars are poorly done and
>> really don’t deserve any premium – in fact – they deserve significant
>> devaluation.
>> Do great work, and drive these great cars!
>> Stephen Nelson
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>> *From: *DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:18 AM
>> *To: *detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> *Subject: *[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
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>> In a story about aJan auctions, Mecum vs BJ.
>> *DeTomaso Pantera *At Mecum, _you'd have paid $49,500_
>> <http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0114-172060&entryRow=2893> to
>> take home a 1974 example of the increasingly desirable Pantera. At
>> Barrett-Jackson, a 1971 car _would have set you back $48,400_
>> <http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1650&aid=525>.
>> The difference is originality -- the early B-J car is tuned, to put
>> it mildly, with flashy five-spokes and a nitrous-oxide system.
>> Depending on your perspective, this is either a huge improvement or
>> an unacceptable desecration. Compare that to the “highly original”
>> Mecum car.
>> *Winner: * We'd vote for the unmolested car at Mecum, but that's
>> personal preference at play. This one's inconclusive.
>> Michael Shortt
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>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> _www.michaelshortt.com_ <http://www.michaelshortt.com/>
>> _michael at michaelshortt.com_
>> 912-232-9390
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