[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention

dave londry davel at emspace.com
Sat Feb 8 19:53:50 EST 2014 

There you go - sounds like a mild Sunday driver to me!
Rump, snort, rump, snort (repeat)
Bit surprised that the high LSA - what heads?
dave

On 07/02/2014 7:24 PM, shawkins777 at comcast.net wrote:
> This is what I'll have in my new engine
>
> 4" crank, 10.5:1
> 238/242 degrees @ 0.050"
> 293/300 degrees seat duration (advertised)
> 0.640"/0.640" intake/exhaust lift
> 111 LSA
>
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> *From: *"dave londry" <davel at emspace.com>
> *To: *detomaso at poca.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 7, 2014 8:10:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
>
> Kirby - time for a 4.00" crank, 10.5:1, 6.25 lift and 305 duration??
> My drag racing customers say they're happy up to 650 - 675 HP before
> they start worrying.
> (Oh yah - your SVO block won't split like a Cleveland, so no worry)
>
> Just checking for full-on craziness.
> dave
>
> On 07/02/2014 4:26 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
> > Very well said, John. I agree.
> >
> > I remember well the last time I was at Pocono and was right on the
> > tail of a 360. I just couldn’t pass him.
> > I'd be right on him going down the back straight coming up behind him
> > and when I pulled out to pass…. nothing.
> > I’d just sit there next to him.
> > Not enough ponies… so, I just stuck with him the rest of the session.
> >
> > Once in the pits, three ‘Ferrari guys’ came up to me and said I
> > shouldn’t be on the track.
> > Didn’t deserve to be on the track. I was dangerous.
> > I asked them why and the reply was that my car was too old and it
> > didn’t have ground effects or good handling.
> >
> > Hmmm… I didn’t have any problem with handling… I just didn’t have 
> the HP.
> >
> > Oh, well….
> >
> > Kirby
> >
> >
> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 18:14, John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> > <mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> My perspective on modified Panteras is as such.
> >>
> >> In the 80s and 90s, one could mildly modify a Pantera and be among
> >> the fastest production cars on the street or on at the track. It was
> >> a sports car whose performance could rival or exceed almost any other
> >> production sports car regardless of cost. We could humiliate more
> >> expensive Ferraris, Lambos and Vettes at the track. How could one not
> >> give into temptation. I took pleasure believing that I had a higher
> >> performance car for a fraction of the cost and the pride knowing I
> >> contributed to making it possible. I believe that all who actually
> >> used their cars, modified them to enjoy a fuller capability. As I
> >> have gotten older with my racing experiences behind me, I can see how
> >> older owners may not have been as performance motivated and more
> >> financially so. It always seemed to me the stock advocates were
> >> always motivated by a sense of value appreciation rather than driving
> >> enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that, til it becomes evangelical in
> >> their persuasion of others.
> >>
> >> Sometime in the 2000s, new production car horsepower and handling
> >> began to improve demonstrably. It takes a lot more effort and a very
> >> good driver to make a Pantera competitive with modern sports cars.
> >> IMHO, they simply do not handle as well as modern production
> >> sportscars. Thus, many give up trying.
> >>
> >> As a result, new comers to the Pantera arena wonder why people did
> >> not leave them stock and appreciate them for what they were. My
> >> response is that "You had to be there."
> >>
> >> JT
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/7/2014 8:11 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> >>> Dear Lashdeep,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Your points are well taken. I would point out that the passion and
> >>> enthusiasm of the this group for Panteras and modifications thereof,
> >>> are related to the belated market appreciation of stock original
> >>> Panteras. We have modified and maintained them and kept them
> >>> driveable and usable. As Charlie McCall says, "raising Pantera
> >>> awareness."
> >>>
> >>> I own two Panteras. Both were bone stock when I bought them in
> >>> twenty five years ago. Each modification was a definite incremental
> >>> improvement in the car's performance. I wouldn't go back.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, a good friend, who owns two Diablos, finally
> >>> succumbed to my influence and bought a Pantera. As he says, " I have
> >>> all the horsepower I want. I want a low mileage stock Pantera." He
> >>> bought a Pantera that was ever so slightly misrepresented as a low
> >>> mileage stock Pantera. He has proceeded to spend the last several
> >>> months correcting things and restoring it back to stock original.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, for whatever reason, it does seem to be the "Second Coming of
> >>> Panteras". They are wonderful cars.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:28 PM, LS wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We all have our ways of enjoying our cars and are entitled to do
> >>> whatever we please obviously.
> >>>
> >>> There is a quantitative way to measure the world's perception of our
> >>> beloved Detomaso cars...sales prices.
> >>>
> >>> Many of you equate the fixation or study of sales prices with cold
> >>> greed, sterile investment, or outright snobbery.
> >>>
> >>> It is, in actuality, the easiest way to determine what the world
> >>> (including us) thinks of Detomaso.
> >>>
> >>> A simple observation here is that cosmetically stock cars are
> >>> bringing strong money. It appears that even the slightest cosmetic
> >>> modification detracts in some way from the sales prices.
> >>>
> >>> Even a simple change detracts from this ultimate fact and will
> >>> potentially devalue the cars.
> >>>
> >>> I have no problem with modifications but we still need to realize
> >>> that we all have started with one of the most perfectly styled
> >>> exotics (including the original wheels) ever created.
> >>>
> >>> I have a suspicion that some of you long time owners don't want to
> >>> believe this.
> >>>
> >>> LS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> ___________________________________
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>
> >>> *To: *detomaso at poca.com
> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:47 PM
> >>> *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
> >>>
> >>> I would think the best thing to do is acknowledge that we might not
> >>> get any monetary benefit to all those mods we put into the cars.
> >>> And, in fact, if we start with a highly original car, we will be far
> >>> less likely to get any monetary benefit. But, is that why we modify
> >>> the cars? To make money? If so, well, then we ain’t all that bright.
> >>> Flip side, given the surprisingly poor quality of many of the mods I
> >>> have seen on cars I looked at when finding 5332 – including 5332 –
> >>> the reality is that all too many modified cars are poorly done and
> >>> really don’t deserve any premium – in fact – they deserve
> >>> significant devaluation.
> >>> Do great work, and drive these great cars!
> >>> Stephen Nelson
> >>> ___________________________________
> >>>
> >>> *From: *DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] *On Behalf Of
> >>> *michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:18 AM
> >>> *To: *detomaso at poca.com
> >>> *Subject: *[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention
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> >>>
> >>> In a story about aJan auctions, Mecum vs BJ.
> >>> *DeTomaso Pantera *At Mecum, _you'd have paid $49,500_
> >>> 
> <http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0114-172060&entryRow=2893> 
>
> >>> to take home a 1974 example of the increasingly desirable Pantera.
> >>> At Barrett-Jackson, a 1971 car _would have set you back $48,400_
> >>> 
> <http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1650&aid=525>. 
>
> >>> The difference is originality -- the early B-J car is tuned, to put
> >>> it mildly, with flashy five-spokes and a nitrous-oxide system.
> >>> Depending on your perspective, this is either a huge improvement or
> >>> an unacceptable desecration. Compare that to the “highly original”
> >>> Mecum car.
> >>> *Winner: * We'd vote for the unmolested car at Mecum, but that's
> >>> personal preference at play. This one's inconclusive.
> >>> Michael Shortt
> >>> --
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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