[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention

Bill Lewis lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 7 22:16:10 EST 2014


Ed, concur!!       BILL L

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:24:14 -0500
From: erjpike at gmail.com
To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention

John,
Nicely said! !
Ed. ..
On Feb 7, 2014 7:15 PM, "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:


  
    
  
  
    My perspective on modified Panteras is as such.

    

    In the 80s and 90s, one could mildly modify a Pantera and be among
    the fastest production cars on the street or on at the track.  It
    was a sports car whose performance could rival or exceed almost any
    other production sports car regardless of cost.  We could humiliate
    more expensive Ferraris, Lambos and Vettes at the track. How could
    one not give into temptation.  I took pleasure believing that I had
    a higher performance car for a fraction of the cost and the pride
    knowing I contributed to making it possible. I believe that all who
    actually used their cars, modified them to enjoy a fuller
    capability.  As I have gotten older with my racing experiences
    behind me, I can see how older owners may not have been as
    performance motivated and more financially so.  It always seemed to
    me the stock advocates were always motivated by a sense of value
    appreciation rather than driving enjoyment.  Nothing wrong with
    that, til it becomes evangelical in their persuasion of others. 

    

    Sometime in the 2000s, new production car horsepower and handling
    began to improve demonstrably.  It takes a lot more effort and a
    very good driver to make a Pantera competitive with modern sports
    cars.  IMHO, they simply do not handle as well as modern production
    sportscars.  Thus, many give up trying.

    

    As a result, new comers to the Pantera arena wonder why people did
    not leave them stock and appreciate them for what they were.  My
    response is that "You had to be there."

    

    JT 

    

    

    On 2/7/2014 8:11 AM, cengles at cox.net
      wrote:

    
    
      Dear Lashdeep,
      

      

      
                   Your points
          are well taken.   I would point out that the passion and
          enthusiasm of the this group for Panteras and modifications
          thereof, are related to the belated  market appreciation of
          stock original Panteras.  We have modified and maintained them
          and kept them driveable and usable.   As Charlie McCall says,
          "raising Pantera awareness."
      

      
                    I own two
          Panteras.   Both were bone stock when I bought them in twenty
          five years ago.  Each modification was a definite incremental
          improvement in the car's performance.   I wouldn't go back.
      

      
                   On the
          other hand, a good friend, who owns two Diablos, finally
          succumbed to my influence and bought a Pantera.  As he says, "
          I have all the horsepower I want.  I want a low mileage stock
          Pantera."   He bought a Pantera that was ever so slightly
          misrepresented as a low mileage stock Pantera.  He has
          proceeded to spend the last several months correcting things
          and restoring it back to stock original.  
      

      

      
                  So, for
          whatever reason, it does seem to be the "Second Coming of
          Panteras".  They are wonderful cars.
      

      

      
                             
          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
      

      

      

      

      
      On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at
          8:28 PM, LS wrote:
      

      
       We all
            have our ways of enjoying our cars and are entitled to do
            whatever we please obviously. 
      

      
      There is a
          quantitative way to measure the world's perception of our
          beloved Detomaso cars...sales prices. 
      

      
      Many of you equate the
          fixation or study of sales prices with cold greed, sterile
          investment, or outright snobbery. 
      

      
      It is, in actuality,
          the easiest way to determine what the world (including us)
          thinks of Detomaso. 
      

      
      A simple observation
          here is that cosmetically stock cars are bringing strong
          money. It appears that even the slightest cosmetic
          modification detracts in some way from the sales prices. 
      

      
      Even a simple change
          detracts from this ultimate fact and will potentially devalue
          the cars. 
      

      
      I have no problem with
          modifications but we still need to realize  that we all have
          started with one of the most perfectly styled exotics
          (including the original wheels) ever created. 
      

      
      I have a suspicion
          that some of you long time owners don't want to believe this.
        
      

      
      LS 
      

      

      

      

      

      

      
        
      

      

      

      
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      From: Stephen
          Nelson <steve at snclocks.com> 
      To: detomaso at poca.com
        
      Sent: Thursday,
          January 30, 2014 1:47 PM 
      Subject: Re:
          [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention 
      

      
      I would think the best
          thing to do is acknowledge that we might not get any monetary
          benefit to all those mods we put into the cars.  And, in fact,
          if we start with a highly original car, we will be far less
          likely to get any monetary benefit.  But, is that why we
          modify the cars?  To make money?  If so, well, then we ain’t
          all that bright. 
        
      Flip side, given the
          surprisingly poor quality of many of the mods I have seen on
          cars I looked at when finding 5332 – including 5332 – the
          reality is that all too many modified cars are poorly done and
          really don’t deserve any premium – in fact – they deserve
          significant devaluation. 
        
      Do great work, and drive
          these great cars! 
        
      Stephen Nelson 
        
        
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      From: DeTomaso
          [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
        
      Sent: Thursday,
          January 30, 2014 10:18 AM 
      To: detomaso at poca.com
        
      Subject: [DeTomaso]
          Autoweek online Mention 
        
      

      

      
      In a story
          about aJan auctions, Mecum vs BJ. 
        
      DeTomaso Pantera At Mecum,  you'd have paid $49,500 to
            take home a 1974 example of the increasingly desirable
            Pantera. At Barrett-Jackson, a 1971 car  would have set you back $48,400.
            The difference is originality -- the early B-J car is tuned,
            to put it mildly, with flashy five-spokes and a
            nitrous-oxide system. Depending on your perspective, this is
            either a huge improvement or an unacceptable desecration.
            Compare that to the “highly original” Mecum car. 
      Winner:  We'd
          vote for the unmolested car at Mecum, but that's personal
          preference at play. This one's inconclusive. 
        
      Michael Shortt 
      -- 
      

      

      

      

      

      

      

      
      Michael L.
          Shortt 
      Savannah,
          Georgia 
      www.michaelshortt.com
      michael at michaelshortt.com
      912-232-9390 
      

      
        
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