[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention

Fri Feb 7 19:32:32 EST 2014

Kirby,

Your wheels were going to blowup

Cheers,

Bill Moore

Calgary, AB.

From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Kirby
Schrader
Sent: February-07-14 5:26 PM
To: John Taphorn
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention

Very well said, John. I agree.

I remember well the last time I was at Pocono and was right on the tail of a
360. I just couldn't pass him.

I'd be right on him going down the back straight coming up behind him and
when I pulled out to pass.. nothing.

I'd just sit there next to him.

Not enough ponies. so, I just stuck with him the rest of the session.

Once in the pits, three 'Ferrari guys' came up to me and said I shouldn't be
on the track. 

Didn't deserve to be on the track. I was dangerous.

I asked them why and the reply was that my car was too old and it didn't
have ground effects or good handling.

Hmmm. I didn't have any problem with handling. I just didn't have the HP.

Oh, well..

Kirby

On Feb 7, 2014, at 18:14, John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:

My perspective on modified Panteras is as such.

In the 80s and 90s, one could mildly modify a Pantera and be among the
fastest production cars on the street or on at the track.  It was a sports
car whose performance could rival or exceed almost any other production
sports car regardless of cost.  We could humiliate more expensive Ferraris,
Lambos and Vettes at the track. How could one not give into temptation.  I
took pleasure believing that I had a higher performance car for a fraction
of the cost and the pride knowing I contributed to making it possible. I
believe that all who actually used their cars, modified them to enjoy a
fuller capability.  As I have gotten older with my racing experiences behind
me, I can see how older owners may not have been as performance motivated
and more financially so.  It always seemed to me the stock advocates were
always motivated by a sense of value appreciation rather than driving
enjoyment.  Nothing wrong with that, til it becomes evangelical in their
persuasion of others. 

Sometime in the 2000s, new production car horsepower and handling began to
improve demonstrably.  It takes a lot more effort and a very good driver to
make a Pantera competitive with modern sports cars.  IMHO, they simply do
not handle as well as modern production sportscars.  Thus, many give up
trying.

As a result, new comers to the Pantera arena wonder why people did not leave
them stock and appreciate them for what they were.  My response is that "You
had to be there."

JT 

On 2/7/2014 8:11 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:

Dear Lashdeep,

             Your points are well taken.   I would point out that the
passion and enthusiasm of the this group for Panteras and modifications
thereof, are related to the belated  market appreciation of stock original
Panteras.  We have modified and maintained them and kept them driveable and
usable.   As Charlie McCall says, "raising Pantera awareness."

              I own two Panteras.   Both were bone stock when I bought them
in twenty five years ago.  Each modification was a definite incremental
improvement in the car's performance.   I wouldn't go back.

             On the other hand, a good friend, who owns two Diablos, finally
succumbed to my influence and bought a Pantera.  As he says, " I have all
the horsepower I want.  I want a low mileage stock Pantera."   He bought a
Pantera that was ever so slightly misrepresented as a low mileage stock
Pantera.  He has proceeded to spend the last several months correcting
things and restoring it back to stock original.  

            So, for whatever reason, it does seem to be the "Second Coming
of Panteras".  They are wonderful cars.

                        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:28 PM, LS wrote:

 We all have our ways of enjoying our cars and are entitled to do whatever
we please obviously. 

There is a quantitative way to measure the world's perception of our beloved
Detomaso cars...sales prices. 

Many of you equate the fixation or study of sales prices with cold greed,
sterile investment, or outright snobbery. 

It is, in actuality, the easiest way to determine what the world (including
us) thinks of Detomaso. 

A simple observation here is that cosmetically stock cars are bringing
strong money. It appears that even the slightest cosmetic modification
detracts in some way from the sales prices. 

Even a simple change detracts from this ultimate fact and will potentially
devalue the cars. 

I have no problem with modifications but we still need to realize  that we
all have started with one of the most perfectly styled exotics (including
the original wheels) ever created. 

I have a suspicion that some of you long time owners don't want to believe
this. 

LS 

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From: Stephen Nelson  <mailto:steve at snclocks.com> <steve at snclocks.com> 

To: detomaso at poca.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:47 PM 

Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention 

I would think the best thing to do is acknowledge that we might not get any
monetary benefit to all those mods we put into the cars.  And, in fact, if
we start with a highly original car, we will be far less likely to get any
monetary benefit.  But, is that why we modify the cars?  To make money?  If
so, well, then we ain't all that bright. 

Flip side, given the surprisingly poor quality of many of the mods I have
seen on cars I looked at when finding 5332 - including 5332 - the reality is
that all too many modified cars are poorly done and really don't deserve any
premium - in fact - they deserve significant devaluation. 

Do great work, and drive these great cars! 

Stephen Nelson 

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
michael at michaelshortt.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:18 AM 

To: detomaso at poca.com 

Subject: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention 

In a story about aJan auctions, Mecum vs BJ. 

DeTomaso Pantera At Mecum,  you'd have paid $49,500
<http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0114-172060&entryRow=
2893>  to take home a 1974 example of the increasingly desirable Pantera. At
Barrett-Jackson, a 1971 car  would have set you back $48,400
<http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx
?ln=1650&aid=525> . The difference is originality -- the early B-J car is
tuned, to put it mildly, with flashy five-spokes and a nitrous-oxide system.
Depending on your perspective, this is either a huge improvement or an
unacceptable desecration. Compare that to the "highly original" Mecum car. 

Winner:  We'd vote for the unmolested car at Mecum, but that's personal
preference at play. This one's inconclusive. 

Michael Shortt 

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