[DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera
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audionut at hushmail.com
Wed Feb 5 14:38:19 EST 2014
Sad to hear stuff like this.
Don's shop did my A/C upgrade on time at a fair price around the year
2008. Hard to believe a respected, time-tested shop like this screwed
up but....
The shop is nearly always responsible for horror stories like this.
It is the responsibility of the shop to quote the job right, clearly,
in writing, and completethe job within a reasonable time, barring
circumstances beyond the shops' control. Misunderstandings should be
easily cleared up by the contract, if they are not,then the shop f'd
up.
If the job gets out of hand in some way and the customer gets upset,
then it is nothing but a petty, juvenile, bully attitude if the shop
then says "Hey if you don't like it, I got your car, I got your money
so, nyah nyah nyah. What are you gonna do about it?"
I can't see how Ed did anything wrong other than pay in full up front.
Always a bad idea.
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On February 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, "Pantdino" wrote: Ed, Just to give
us some background, what was Don supposed to do for the original
estimate of $36K? That's a significant amount of money. Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Mendez
To: detomaso
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:03 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera
To All Pantera Owners Worldwide,
You should all ready this, so this does not happen to you.
As of now Don Byars refuses to help me or repair any of the damage
he did to my Pantera after paying him $42,000 over the last two years!
It is shameful behaviour!
Mike Drew was going to feature my car in Profiles. Sorry but I would
rather you did not. Don deserves no advertising.
Read below how Don held my car as ransom, extorted $6000 more
dollars out of me, and made me sign a waiver releasing him of all
warranty for work he completed.
Now I am in another country, I have dumped my car on a friend to
finish, and I am out of a lot of cash.
I guess he did not realise that I have 300+ Pantera friends
worldwide on Facebook. I guess he will soon.
Ed
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Patterson, Lee R."
Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read
Date: 4 February 2014 17:41:57 NZDT
To: Kevin Ryniker , 'Westmicro' , "mikebecker at cox.net" ,
"edducati at mac.com" , "sdpanteras at googlegroups.com"
Cc: "Patterson, Lee R."
I can only relate the time I called him to purchase a very small,
inexpensive part for my car. His response was “that’s all you
want to buy?” to which I said yes. He then sighed and reluctantly
took my order. Upon receipt, the part was a poorly reproduced version
of the original part, the art work was off-center and after attempting
to “fix” it myself, I threw it in the trash. So my only
experience with him was he was uninterested in my business and the
product he sold and represented me was shit. So no, I will not call
him ever again because to me, that behavior speaks to total lack of
INTEGRITY AND ETHICS. I hope the $12,000 you bought from him were
better than my $25. part. From: sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
[mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Ryniker
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 8:30 PM
To: 'Westmicro'; mikebecker at cox.net; edducati at mac.com;
sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read I Have to agree with
Mike to the extent that there must be something else going on. This
sounds like a cash flow crunch, he is acting like a producer on a show
that got in over his head. I known Bobby Buyers for 10 years at
least, never had a problem, I’ve easily bought $12,000 worth of
parts from him. He has always stood behind his work and his dealings
with me. He even warranty parts that I got from Wilkenson and Hall,
for free, expensive stuff. Never really delt with Don but I think he
is Don’s brother, they used to be in business with each other, might
be worthwhile to call Bobby. Just an idea. Any help I can aid in
please feel free to ask. Durland Productions Kevin Ryniker, Cell
(858) 336 9803 Phone (858) 693 6207, Fax (858) 693 6227 8766
Betelgeuse Way, San Diego, CA 92126 www.durlandproductions.com
From: sdpanteras at googlegroups.com [mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Westmicro
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:47 PM
To: mikebecker at cox.net; edducati at mac.com; sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read Please pass all this on
to Don. Maybe this will make him realize what he has done here, and
he will make it right. Reputation and doing the right thing is
Everything in Business. _Dave Nuding_ _Western Micrographics &
Imaging Systems_ _Houston / San Diego_ _858-722-5500_
http://www.westernmicrographics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Becker
To: 'Ed Mendez' ; 'San Diego Panteras'
Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:35 pm
Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read
Holy crap, that's terrible Ed. So sorry to hear this. I don't
understand,
I've never heard a bad thing about Don. I've also never had any work
done
by him, but the general perception is that his work speaks for
itself. I
can't imagine what his reasoning is. I don't have any kind of
relationship
with him, so I don't really feel I could speak to him. Maybe
something just
got into him and he needs time to realize the pickle he's put you in.
Maybe
he's got some other troubles and sort of reached a breaking point or
something like that. Perhaps he'll come around and somehow make good
on it.
I would hold off on slinging mud until all options for reconciliation
are
exhausted.
Hang in there,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
[mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Mendez
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 4:39 PM
To: San Diego Panteras
Subject: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read
Hi all,
Made it to New Zealand and started work. Still a bit jet lagged but
that is
nothing compared to how I feel from what Don Byars did to me before I
left.
After paying Don $36,000 in cash and up front and paying my final
invoiced
bill on Jan. 22nd. There were some electrical issues from the Pantera
Electronics parts I bought. There were two blown up boards, Pantera
not
charging, and several other issues. This was NOT from Pantera
Electronics
however, it was from Don not following the simple directions and
hooking
things up wrong. So he spent the next four days trying to sort out
the
issues. On the 28th he called me and said come and get this car out
of my
shop! I asked if it was done, he said no, and it is not running
either. He
verbally told me on the 22nd that it would be about $2000 more and he
would
have it all finished including the seats bolted in on the seat rails,
the
seat belts, and all be working. What he told me on the phone shocked
me. He
said that I now owed him an additional $6300 and that knowing I was
leaving,
he wanted cash, and would not release the car until I paid him in
full!
I have always paid him up front, and in advance. Since I was leaving
the
country, he gave me no choice, I had to come up with cash. He
delivered the
car to me, backed it out of his trailer still hooked to the cable, I
then
paid him in full and he refused to unhook the car until I signed a
waiver
releasing him of any work related defects!!!
He treated me like a criminal and EXTORTED $6000 from me!
Now the car is sitting in Vista, Ca. The seats were not bolted in,
the belts
were not done, seat rails, scratches in my paint under the hood, he
left my
brand new air compressor disconnected and exposed to air. The car
runs but
electrically a mess, far from being done, and far from being in a
state of
condition for the money I paid him.
Don Byars is a thief to the Nth degree! And he did all this in front
of
whom? The new President of POCA!
Just wondering if he is completely stupid!? I just wonder what I did,
I was
utterly insulted. What did I do to deserve this? His wife told me Don
was
mad because I did not let him finish the car!!!??? I paid him a total
of
$42,000. He knew the drop dead date months before I was leaving. Even
John Haas of Pantera Electronics offered to help, Don did not call him
once!!! I asked John Haas to call him.
At this point my car is in the care of John Buckman, if anyone can
please
offer any assistance, I have to get it in a somewhat completed state
to ship
overseas.
Please spread the word. If I were there I could do something, all I
have is
you guys to spread the word about what he did to me.
Kind regards,
Ed Mendez
Sent from my iPad
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