[DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 15 23:36:32 EST 2014
I know you can't believe anything you read on the net half of what you read
in the paper and a pct of what you see on TV and the Idea of a Florida
police department having 8 Apache helicopters (or 1) is beyond belief there
are numerous stories on Google that are very current,
Here is one linkhttp://www.dcclothesline
.com/2014/08/20/use-online-database-find-military-equipment-local-police-department-stockpiling/
Do your own search and you will find many more. Regardless if the Apache
story is true or not the fact that the D.O.D. is transferring tons of
military equipment to municipal police departments is a fact.
Boyd
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>
> I know a guy that owns eight (8) Cobra Helicopters, used for personal toys
> and sometime film work. They are a tinker toys compared to an Apache,
> flying cost of one is in the same range per hour as a fighter jet. Lots of
> them here flying overhead on a daily basis, I do not believe that any
> municipal department could afford to maintain one, much less several.
>
> Michael Shortt
> On Dec 15, 2014 9:35 PM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The article was from 2011, and since we haven't heard any reports of
>> tanks blowing up in Florida, I'd say they aren't being used.
>>
>> The article was so old, I couldn't find any fact check information on
>> it.
>>
>> If you've ever seen an Apache, you'd realize just how ridiculous this
>> story is. An Apache is a tank killer, and it is a super bad at ss one at
>> that. It has no place in civilian use.
>>
>> If the evidence is real (8 helicopters at $18M each), then maybe it is
>> a coverup for something else - like embezzlement. That makes a lot
>> more sense than civilian attack helicopters.
>>
>> From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, December 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM
>> To: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Mike Drew <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "[4]detomaso at poca.com"
>> <[5]detomaso at poca.com>, Larry Finch <[6]fresnofinches at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
>>
>> The article said they received 8 Apaches which suggest to me that
>> their plans are for more then a "static display".
>> As I pointed out in my post I have no verification of this information
>> so we don't know if it is factual or not.
>> Boyd
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Will Kooiman
>> <[7]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don(c)oet think they get military surplus because they need it.
>> They accept the surplus because the military wants to get rid of
>> their
>> surplus.
>> Now, whether they accepted an Apache or not, I rather doubt it.
>> Aircraft
>> are expensive to maintain. They wouldn(c)oet accept an Apache
>> unless they
>> planned on turning it into a non-functioning display. That(c)oes
>> more likely
>> Internet garbage.
>>
>> On 12/14/14, 1:13 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[8]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The current reality makes George Orwell's "1984" look like a
>> fairy
>> > tale, and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. I'm all for
>> "the
>> > rule of law" andA "Law and Order" but America was never
>> supposed to be
>> > about living in a police state. I recently read that a municipal
>> police
>> > department obtained some surplus Apache helicopters from the
>> D.O.D.,(
>> > Knowing you can't take what you read as fact ,) it still begs
>> the
>> > question What does a police department in America need with
>> Apache
>> > helicopters designed to take out tanks ( hellfire missiles and
>> Gatling
>> > cannon that fire depleted uranium armor piercing shells?) What
>> are they
>> > planning for or what do they expect? The prospects of what's
>> around the
>> > corner are very frightening. The continued push to upscale the
>> armament
>> > levels of the police and the attemptA to disarm the public
>> makes theA
>> > 2nd amendment fringe groups seem like they are not as far out on
>> the
>> > fringe as the media attempts to portray.
>> > I feel safe in saying this is not what the members of my family
>> who
>> > dedicated large parts of their lives (or gave their lives) had
>> in mind
>> > nor do I suspect did you when you put on the uniform.
>> > Hugh
>> >
>> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Mike Drew
>> <[1][9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Boyd,
>> > All it would take would be one public-spirited citizen with a
>> big
>> > shotgun or rifle to put those speed cameras right and then all
>> would
>> > be good in your corner of the world. :)
>> > England is especially fond of speed cameras. For awhile,
>> charitable
>> > people were hanging old tires from the camera boxes, pouring
>> gas
>> > into them and then setting them on fire. While these Robin
>> Hoods
>> > were celebrated by the people, the government didn't have much
>> of a
>> > sense of humor about it, and a few people got very long prison
>> > sentences (5-10 yrs maybe?) after the cops set up cameras to
>> look AT
>> > the cameras and used those to track down the rebels. Once word
>> got
>> > out about that, the practice pretty much died out....
>> > Mike
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:18, Boyd Casey
>> <[2][10]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >A A The benefit (to the police) of the radar gun is it's
>> "instant
>> > on" which
>> > >A A makes a radar detector all but useless. (unless as Larry
>> said
>> > you are
>> > >A A fortunate enough to have the police try to get someone
>> in
>> > front of you
>> > >A A and your detector picks up the residual signal. Other
>> wise by
>> > the time
>> > >A A you hear the warning you have already been clocked!
>> > >A A A A A A A AA On a side note there has been a recent
>> > development here on
>> > >A A long Island concerning photo radar. Apparently the
>> authorities
>> > >A A installed a bunch of photo radar traps in the area while
>> I was
>> > in the
>> > >A A hospital.They neglected to put up any warning signs.
>> With in a
>> > two
>> > >A A weeks of my release from the hospital I got to school
>> zone
>> > tickets 31
>> > >A A in a 20 and 33 in a 20 $80 each (no points or any other
>> > penalty just
>> > >A A cash).
>> > >A A The area where I got nailed is at the same high school I
>> > graduated from
>> > >A A and it has a huge piece of property with several acres
>> > containing a
>> > >A A baseball diamond , a football field (with stands) a
>> soccer
>> > field , it's
>> > >A A huge! The school zone signs don't encompass the entire
>> > property. The
>> > >A A end around a 1/4 of a mile past the intersection near
>> the
>> > school's main
>> > >A A entrance. The road that runs along the athletic fields
>> (that
>> > has no
>> > >A A intersections and people generally drive around 40 mph)
>> is
>> > where they
>> > >A A installed to Photo radar array. This is the spot where
>> they
>> > got me.
>> > >A A Apparently this has happened all over the county and the
>> > public has
>> > >A A freaked out. So last week they announced that signs
>> would be
>> > going up
>> > >A A and anybody that was ticketed before the signage was in
>> place
>> > will be
>> > >A A getting their tickets rescinded and their fines
>> refunded. So
>> > that was
>> > >A A good news for me!
>> > >A A Boyd
>> > >
>> > >A A On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Larry Finch via
>> DeTomaso
>> > >A A <[1][3][11]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >A A A AA A Tomas wrote -
>> > >A A A I know that the camera boxes use radar but does
>> anyone use
>> > >A A A manually operated radar anymore? I thought they had
>> all
>> > changed to
>> > >A A A laser guns.
>> > >A A A -----
>> > >A A A Here in CA, the CHP uses radar (Ka band) and laser.
>> > >A A A As I understand it, laser must be from a stationary
>> > position and
>> > >A A A very close to a
>> > >A A A A straight (not from an angle) shot at the target.
>> >
>> > >A A A I've seen them hiding on highway overpasses to get that
>> > position.
>> > >A A A Radar now all appears to be instant-on, though some
>> officers
>> > drive
>> > >A A A with it alway
>> > >A A A s on.
>> > >A A A Radar is not as picky about the aim of the signal, and
>> works
>> > just
>> > >A A A fine from a mo
>> > >A A A ving vehicle.
>> > >A A A With my Valentine, I find that as long as there is an
>> > >A A A ahead-of-me-rabbit to moti
>> > >A A A vate a Chipie to hit his instant-on, the scatter from
>> that
>> > radar
>> > >A A A burst
>> > >A A A will trip my detector up to over two miles ahead.
>> > >A A A Same benefit from a radar sitiuated behind you, and
>> with the
>> > >A A A Valentine you'll kn
>> > >A A A ow the direction to look.
>> > >A A A Headed up the 101 years ago to a PCNC meeting, moving
>> at a
>> > 'brisk'
>> > >A A A rate, the rea
>> > >A A A r arrows lit up with plenty of time
>> > >A A A to slow down and thus frustrate the CHP motorcycle
>> officer who
>> > paced
>> > >A A A in my RH bl
>> > >A A A ind spot for several miles until he finally gave up
>> > >A A A and moved ahead of me.
>> > >A A A Cat and mouse at its finest. :-)
>> > >A A A YMMV
>> > >A A A Larry - "Why no, officer, I don't know why you pulled
>> me over,
>> > >A A A Perhaps you thoug
>> > >A A A ht I had some donuts?"
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I know you can't believe anything you read on the net half of what you
read in the paper and a pct of what you see on TV and the Idea of a
Florida police department having 8 Apache helicopters (or 1) is beyond
belief there are numerous stories on Google that are very current,
Here is one
linkhttp://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/20/use-online-database-find-mi
litary-equipment-local-police-department-stockpiling/A
Do your own search and you will find many more. Regardless if the
Apache story is true or not the fact that the D.O.D. is transferring
tons of military equipment to municipal police departments is a fact.
Boyd
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
<[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
I know a guy that owns eight (8) Cobra Helicopters, used for
personal toys and sometime film work.A They are a tinker toys
compared to an Apache, flying cost of one is in the same range per
hour as a fighter jet. Lots of them here flying overhead on a daily
basis, I do not believe that any municipal department could afford
to maintain one, much less several.
Michael Shortt
On Dec 15, 2014 9:35 PM, "Will Kooiman" <[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A The article was from 2011, and since we haven't heard any
reports of
A A tanks blowing up in Florida, I'd say they aren't being used.
A A The article was so old, I couldn't find any fact check
information on
A A it.
A A If you've ever seen an Apache, you'd realize just how
ridiculous this
A A story is.A An Apache is a tank killer, and it is a super
bad at ss one at
A A that.A It has no place in civilian use.
A A If the evidence is real (8 helicopters at $18M each), then
maybe it is
A A a coverup for something else - like embezzlement.A That makes
a lot
A A more sense than civilian attack helicopters.
A A From: Boyd Casey <[1][4]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A Date: Monday, December 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM
A A To: Will Kooiman <[2][5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Mike Drew <[3][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"[4][7]detomaso at poca.com"
A A <[5][8]detomaso at poca.com>, Larry Finch
<[6][9]fresnofinches at aol.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
A A The article said they received 8 Apaches which suggest to me
that
A A their plans are for more then a "static display".
A A As I pointed out in my post I have no verification of this
information
A A so we don't know if it is factual or not.
A A Boyd
A A On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Will Kooiman
A A <[7][10]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A I don(c)oet think they get military surplus because they
need it.
A A A They accept the surplus because the military wants to get
rid of
A A A their
A A A surplus.
A A A Now, whether they accepted an Apache or not, I rather doubt
it.
A A A Aircraft
A A A are expensive to maintain.A They wouldn(c)oet accept an
Apache
A A A unless they
A A A planned on turning it into a non-functioning display.A
That(c)oes
A A A more likely
A A A Internet garbage.
A A A On 12/14/14, 1:13 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[8][11]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A A >A A The current reality makes George Orwell's "1984" look
like a
A A A fairy
A A A >A A tale, and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. I'm
all for
A A A "the
A A A >A A rule of law" andAA "Law and Order" but America was never
A A A supposed to be
A A A >A A about living in a police state. I recently read that a
municipal
A A A police
A A A >A A department obtained some surplus Apache helicopters from
the
A A A D.O.D.,(
A A A >A A Knowing you can't take what you read as fact ,) it still
begs
A A A the
A A A >A A question What does a police department in America need
with
A A A Apache
A A A >A A helicopters designed to take out tanks ( hellfire
missiles and
A A A Gatling
A A A >A A cannon that fire depleted uranium armor piercing shells?)
What
A A A are they
A A A >A A planning for or what do they expect? The prospects of
what's
A A A around the
A A A >A A corner are very frightening. The continued push to
upscale the
A A A armament
A A A >A A levels of the police and the attemptAA to disarm the
public
A A A makes theA
A A A >A A 2nd amendment fringe groups seem like they are not as far
out on
A A A the
A A A >A A fringe as the media attempts to portray.
A A A >A A I feel safe in saying this is not what the members of my
family
A A A who
A A A >A A dedicated large parts of their lives (or gave their
lives) had
A A A in mind
A A A >A A nor do I suspect did you when you put on the uniform.
A A A >A A Hugh
A A A >
A A A >A A On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Mike Drew
A A A <[1][9][12]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A A >A A wrote:
A A A >
A A A >A A A Boyd,
A A A >A A A All it would take would be one public-spirited
citizen with a
A A A big
A A A >A A A shotgun or rifle to put those speed cameras right
and then all
A A A would
A A A >A A A be good in your corner of the world. :)
A A A >A A A England is especially fond of speed cameras. For
awhile,
A A A charitable
A A A >A A A people were hanging old tires from the camera
boxes, pouring
A A A gas
A A A >A A A into them and then setting them on fire. While
these Robin
A A A Hoods
A A A >A A A were celebrated by the people, the government
didn't have much
A A A of a
A A A >A A A sense of humor about it, and a few people got very
long prison
A A A >A A A sentences (5-10 yrs maybe?) after the cops set up
cameras to
A A A look AT
A A A >A A A the cameras and used those to track down the
rebels. Once word
A A A got
A A A >A A A out about that, the practice pretty much died
out....
A A A >A A A Mike
A A A >A A A Sent from my iPhone
A A A >A A A On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:18, Boyd Casey
A A A <[2][10][13]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A >A A A >AA A The benefit (to the police) of the radar gun is
it's
A A A "instant
A A A >A A A on" which
A A A >A A A >AA A makes a radar detector all but useless. (unless
as Larry
A A A said
A A A >A A A you are
A A A >A A A >AA A fortunate enough to have the police try to get
someone
A A A in
A A A >A A A front of you
A A A >A A A >AA A and your detector picks up the residual signal.
Other
A A A wise by
A A A >A A A the time
A A A >A A A >AA A you hear the warning you have already been
clocked!
A A A >A A A >AA A A A A A A AAA On a side note there has been a
recent
A A A >A A A development here on
A A A >A A A >AA A long Island concerning photo radar. Apparently
the
A A A authorities
A A A >A A A >AA A installed a bunch of photo radar traps in the
area while
A A A I was
A A A >A A A in the
A A A >A A A >AA A hospital.They neglected to put up any warning
signs.
A A A With in a
A A A >A A A two
A A A >A A A >AA A weeks of my release from the hospital I got to
school
A A A zone
A A A >A A A tickets 31
A A A >A A A >AA A in a 20 and 33 in a 20 $80 each (no points or
any other
A A A >A A A penalty just
A A A >A A A >AA A cash).
A A A >A A A >AA A The area where I got nailed is at the same high
school I
A A A >A A A graduated from
A A A >A A A >AA A and it has a huge piece of property with
several acres
A A A >A A A containing a
A A A >A A A >AA A baseball diamond , a football field (with
stands) a
A A A soccer
A A A >A A A field , it's
A A A >A A A >AA A huge! The school zone signs don't encompass the
entire
A A A >A A A property. The
A A A >A A A >AA A end around a 1/4 of a mile past the
intersection near
A A A the
A A A >A A A school's main
A A A >A A A >AA A entrance. The road that runs along the athletic
fields
A A A (that
A A A >A A A has no
A A A >A A A >AA A intersections and people generally drive around
40 mph)
A A A is
A A A >A A A where they
A A A >A A A >AA A installed to Photo radar array. This is the
spot where
A A A they
A A A >A A A got me.
A A A >A A A >AA A Apparently this has happened all over the
county and the
A A A >A A A public has
A A A >A A A >AA A freaked out. So last week they announced that
signs
A A A would be
A A A >A A A going up
A A A >A A A >AA A and anybody that was ticketed before the
signage was in
A A A place
A A A >A A A will be
A A A >A A A >AA A getting their tickets rescinded and their fines
A A A refunded. So
A A A >A A A that was
A A A >A A A >AA A good news for me!
A A A >A A A >AA A Boyd
A A A >A A A >
A A A >A A A >AA A On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Larry Finch
via
A A A DeTomaso
A A A >A A A >AA A <[1][3][11][14]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A A >A A A >
A A A >A A A >AA AA A AAA A Tomas wrote -
A A A >A A A >AA AA A I know that the camera boxes use radar but
does
A A A anyone use
A A A >A A A >AA AA A manually operated radar anymore? I thought
they had
A A A all
A A A >A A A changed to
A A A >A A A >AA AA A laser guns.
A A A >A A A >AA AA A -----
A A A >A A A >AA AA A Here in CA, the CHP uses radar (Ka band)
and laser.
A A A >A A A >AA AA A As I understand it, laser must be from a
stationary
A A A >A A A position and
A A A >A A A >AA AA A very close to a
A A A >A A A >AA AA A A straight (not from an angle) shot at the
target.
A A A >
A A A >A A >AA AA A I've seen them hiding on highway overpasses to
get that
A A A >A A position.
A A A >A A >AA AA A Radar now all appears to be instant-on, though
some
A A A officers
A A A >A A drive
A A A >A A >AA AA A with it alway
A A A >A A >AA AA A s on.
A A A >A A >AA AA A Radar is not as picky about the aim of the
signal, and
A A A works
A A A >A A just
A A A >A A >AA AA A fine from a mo
A A A >A A >AA AA A ving vehicle.
A A A >A A >AA AA A With my Valentine, I find that as long as
there is an
A A A >A A >AA AA A ahead-of-me-rabbit to moti
A A A >A A >AA AA A vate a Chipie to hit his instant-on, the
scatter from
A A A that
A A A >A A radar
A A A >A A >AA AA A burst
A A A >A A >AA AA A will trip my detector up to over two miles
ahead.
A A A >A A >AA AA A Same benefit from a radar sitiuated behind
you, and
A A A with the
A A A >A A >AA AA A Valentine you'll kn
A A A >A A >AA AA A ow the direction to look.
A A A >A A >AA AA A Headed up the 101 years ago to a PCNC meeting,
moving
A A A at a
A A A >A A 'brisk'
A A A >A A >AA AA A rate, the rea
A A A >A A >AA AA A r arrows lit up with plenty of time
A A A >A A >AA AA A to slow down and thus frustrate the CHP
motorcycle
A A A officer who
A A A >A A paced
A A A >A A >AA AA A in my RH bl
A A A >A A >AA AA A ind spot for several miles until he finally
gave up
A A A >A A >AA AA A and moved ahead of me.
A A A >A A >AA AA A Cat and mouse at its finest. :-)
A A A >A A >AA AA A YMMV
A A A >A A >AA AA A Larry - "Why no, officer, I don't know why you
pulled
A A A me over,
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