[DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications

Kirby Schrader kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Sat Dec 13 19:15:26 EST 2014 

No, that is not in the plan although I certainly see the value.

Time constraints plus Tom is adamant the engine will be fine plus Trusty says they'll work just fine. The Webers, that is...

FWIW
Kirby


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> On Dec 13, 2014, at 17:02, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Kirby,
> 
> You are going to install the engine before even running it?
> 
> I think it's worth your while to get it set up on a dyno first. That will at least get you close?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 16:57, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Julian,
>> 
>>  Yeah, I know... I should.
>> 
>>  But with the holidays and time running short (CVAR race in mid
>>  February), that won't happen.
>> 
>>  Engine is still being machined and set up.
>> 
>>  Tom and I'll put the engine together in January and then into the car.
>> 
>>  If I can keep up with Tom, then all will be fine.
>> 
>>  :-)
>> 
>>  Kirby
>> 
>>  On Dec 12, 2014, at 20:42, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Kirby,
>>  You really should dyno the car with the current setup and after Weber
>>  install to either corroborate or dispel the myths you are going to run
>>  out of air flow at something over ~500HP? You could be giving up an
>>  awful lot if true.
>>  Julian
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP
>>  applications
>>> From: [2]kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:40:13 -0600
>>> CC: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [4]detomaso at poca.com
>>> To: [5]boyd411 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> I find this thread very interesting...
>>> 
>>> The EFI story is a no brainer. I use 55mm throttle bodies on both the
>>  Pantera and the GT40.
>>> 
>>> But to be different, I shall be using a Jim Ingelese modified Weber
>>  48IDA setup on the new race car engine.
>>> Vintage legal and Tom Upton says the new engine will do more than
>>  650HP with a 4 bbl.
>>> Vintage legal all iron, exhaust port plates, etc.
>>> 
>>> And the Webers are making everyone call me a `glutton for
>>  punishment'.
>>> 
>>> Should be interesting.
>>> 
>>> FWIW,
>>> Kirby
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 15:32, Boyd Casey <[6]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Julian,
>>>> I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups
>>>> guaranteed to run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
>>>> My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan
>>>> JonesA there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He
>>>> suggested Ipsco's 55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a
>>>> complete system using Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to
>>  place
>>>> injectors directly into the intake manifold. The whole set up is
>>  low
>>>> profile and can be installed under the stock screen without cutting
>>  the
>>>> rear deck lid.
>>>> Boyd
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift
>>>> <[1][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP;
>>  When I
>>>> approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that
>>  was
>>>> complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP
>>>> using 48IDA Weber carbsA A with no issuesA e.g. Lola T70's. He will
>>>> design a set specific to your engine whichA he guarantees will be
>>>> virtually bolt on with minimal further tuning required.A
>>>> Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction
>>>> Systems that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
>>>> [2][8]http://www.jiminglese.com/
>>>> I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the
>>  IR
>>>> on that 408 stroker.
>>>> Julian
>>>> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
>>>> From: [3][9]boyd411 at gmail.com
>>>> To: [4][10]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP
>>  applications
>>>> I was asking Dan Jones about running Weber's on the engine he and
>>  Dave
>>>> McClain are putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing
>>  the
>>>> simulation and design. It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported
>>  (not back
>>>> from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I
>>  really like
>>>> the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180
>>  degree
>>>> headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat. Since my
>>  engine is
>>>> expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought
>>  that
>>>> Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP
>>  potential. Does
>>>> anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would allow for
>>  the
>>>> optimum low , mid range and high end HP without losing any throttle
>>>> response or HP at any of the key points.
>>>> 
>>>> On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit (
>>  rigidity
>>>> kit) for use on a 1971 L. I already have Billet rear risers , CV
>>  joints (
>>>> porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni
>>  set up
>>>> and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by
>>  johnny
>>>> woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston
>>  calipers from
>>>> a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center
>>  directional
>>>> vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master
>>  cylinders with
>>>> a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and Anodized
>>  Slave
>>>> cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible
>>  Rigidity kit
>>>> for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under
>>  chassis.
>>>> Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with
>>  the
>>>> high horsepower and torque.
>>>> 
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>>  3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>  4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>  5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
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>>  8. http://www.jiminglese.com/
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