[DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
Kirby Schrader
kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Fri Dec 12 20:48:59 EST 2014
It’s called busy….
I have three Panteras in my garage and none of them are running.
I aim to fix that within the next three months.
1661 should be up and running before Christmas.
:-)
Kirby
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 18:50, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>
> Where have been hiding?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply
> Calgary
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Kirby Schrader
> Date:2014-12-12 5:40 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Boyd Casey
> Cc: De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
>
> I find this thread very interesting…
>
> The EFI story is a no brainer. I use 55mm throttle bodies on both the Pantera and the GT40.
>
> But to be different, I shall be using a Jim Ingelese modified Weber 48IDA setup on the new race car engine.
> Vintage legal and Tom Upton says the new engine will do more than 650HP with a 4 bbl.
> Vintage legal all iron, exhaust port plates, etc.
>
> And the Webers are making everyone call me a ‘glutton for punishment’.
>
> Should be interesting.
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 2014, at 15:32, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Julian,
> > I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups
> > guaranteed to run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
> > My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan
> > JonesA there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He
> > suggested Ipsco's 55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a
> > complete system using Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to place
> > injectors directly into the intake manifold. The whole set up is low
> > profile and can be installed under the stock screen without cutting the
> > rear deck lid.
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift
> > <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP; When I
> > approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that was
> > complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP
> > using 48IDA Weber carbsA A with no issuesA e.g. Lola T70's. He will
> > design a set specific to your engine whichA he guarantees will be
> > virtually bolt on with minimal further tuning required.A
> > Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction
> > Systems that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
> > [2]http://www.jiminglese.com/
> > I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the IR
> > on that 408 stroker.
> > Julian
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
> > From: [3]boyd411 at gmail.com
> > To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
> > I was asking Dan Jones about running Weber's on the engine he and Dave
> > McClain are putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing the
> > simulation and design. It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported (not back
> > from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I really like
> > the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180 degree
> > headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat. Since my engine is
> > expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought that
> > Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP potential. Does
> > anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would allow for the
> > optimum low , mid range and high end HP without losing any throttle
> > response or HP at any of the key points.
> >
> > On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit ( rigidity
> > kit) for use on a 1971 L. I already have Billet rear risers , CV joints (
> > porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni set up
> > and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by johnny
> > woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston calipers from
> > a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center directional
> > vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master cylinders with
> > a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and Anodized Slave
> > cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible Rigidity kit
> > for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under chassis.
> > Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with the
> > high horsepower and torque.
> >
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> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 2. http://www.jiminglese.com/
> > 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> > 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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It's called busy....
I have three Panteras in my garage and none of them are running.
I aim to fix that within the next three months.
1661 should be up and running before Christmas.
:-)
Kirby
On Dec 12, 2014, at 18:50, Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com> wrote:
Where have been hiding?
Cheers,
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
-------- Original message --------
From: Kirby Schrader
Date:2014-12-12 5:40 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Boyd Casey
Cc: De Tomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP
applications
I find this thread very interesting...
The EFI story is a no brainer. I use 55mm throttle bodies on both the
Pantera and the GT40.
But to be different, I shall be using a Jim Ingelese modified Weber
48IDA setup on the new race car engine.
Vintage legal and Tom Upton says the new engine will do more than 650HP
with a 4 bbl.
Vintage legal all iron, exhaust port plates, etc.
And the Webers are making everyone call me a `glutton for punishment'.
Should be interesting.
FWIW,
Kirby
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 15:32, Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Julian,
> I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups
> guaranteed to run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
> My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan
> JonesA there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He
> suggested Ipsco's 55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a
> complete system using Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to
place
> injectors directly into the intake manifold. The whole set up is
low
> profile and can be installed under the stock screen without cutting
the
> rear deck lid.
> Boyd
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift
> <[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP;
When I
> approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that
was
> complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP
> using 48IDA Weber carbsA A with no issuesA e.g. Lola T70's. He will
> design a set specific to your engine whichA he guarantees will be
> virtually bolt on with minimal further tuning required.A
> Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction
> Systems that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
> [2][4]http://www.jiminglese.com/
> I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the
IR
> on that 408 stroker.
> Julian
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
> From: [3][5]boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: [4][6]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP
applications
> I was asking Dan Jones about running Weber's on the engine he and
Dave
> McClain are putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing
the
> simulation and design. It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported
(not back
> from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I
really like
> the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180
degree
> headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat. Since my
engine is
> expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought that
> Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP
potential. Does
> anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would allow for
the
> optimum low , mid range and high end HP without losing any
throttle
> response or HP at any of the key points.
>
> On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit (
rigidity
> kit) for use on a 1971 L. I already have Billet rear risers , CV
joints (
> porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni
set up
> and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by
johnny
> woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston
calipers from
> a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center
directional
> vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master cylinders
with
> a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and Anodized
Slave
> cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible Rigidity
kit
> for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under
chassis.
> Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with
the
> high horsepower and torque.
>
> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
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> [6][8]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> References
>
> 1. [9]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. [10]http://www.jiminglese.com/
> 3. [11]mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 4. [12]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 6. [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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References
1. mailto:bill at incendium.com
2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
4. http://www.jiminglese.com/
5. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
9. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
10. http://www.jiminglese.com/
11. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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