[DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
Bill Moore
bill at incendium.com
Fri Dec 12 19:50:55 EST 2014
Where have been hiding?
Cheers,
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:2014-12-12 5:40 PM (GMT-07:00) </div><div>To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications </div><div>
</div>I find this thread very interesting…
The EFI story is a no brainer. I use 55mm throttle bodies on both the Pantera and the GT40.
But to be different, I shall be using a Jim Ingelese modified Weber 48IDA setup on the new race car engine.
Vintage legal and Tom Upton says the new engine will do more than 650HP with a 4 bbl.
Vintage legal all iron, exhaust port plates, etc.
And the Webers are making everyone call me a ‘glutton for punishment’.
Should be interesting.
FWIW,
Kirby
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 15:32, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Julian,
> I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups
> guaranteed to run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
> My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan
> JonesA there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He
> suggested Ipsco's 55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a
> complete system using Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to place
> injectors directly into the intake manifold. The whole set up is low
> profile and can be installed under the stock screen without cutting the
> rear deck lid.
> Boyd
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP; When I
> approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that was
> complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP
> using 48IDA Weber carbsA A with no issuesA e.g. Lola T70's. He will
> design a set specific to your engine whichA he guarantees will be
> virtually bolt on with minimal further tuning required.A
> Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction
> Systems that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
> [2]http://www.jiminglese.com/
> I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the IR
> on that 408 stroker.
> Julian
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
> From: [3]boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
> I was asking Dan Jones about running Weber's on the engine he and Dave
> McClain are putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing the
> simulation and design. It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported (not back
> from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I really like
> the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180 degree
> headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat. Since my engine is
> expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought that
> Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP potential. Does
> anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would allow for the
> optimum low , mid range and high end HP without losing any throttle
> response or HP at any of the key points.
>
> On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit ( rigidity
> kit) for use on a 1971 L. I already have Billet rear risers , CV joints (
> porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni set up
> and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by johnny
> woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston calipers from
> a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center directional
> vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master cylinders with
> a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and Anodized Slave
> cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible Rigidity kit
> for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under chassis.
> Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with the
> high horsepower and torque.
>
> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed
> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com
> [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. http://www.jiminglese.com/
> 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at poca.com
> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
DeTomaso mailing list
DeTomaso at poca.com
http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
-------------- next part --------------
Where have been hiding?
Cheers,
Bill Moore
Incendium Supply
Calgary
-------- Original message --------
From: Kirby Schrader
Date:2014-12-12 5:40 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Boyd Casey
Cc: De Tomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP
applications
I find this thread very interesting...
The EFI story is a no brainer. I use 55mm throttle bodies on both the
Pantera and the GT40.
But to be different, I shall be using a Jim Ingelese modified Weber
48IDA setup on the new race car engine.
Vintage legal and Tom Upton says the new engine will do more than 650HP
with a 4 bbl.
Vintage legal all iron, exhaust port plates, etc.
And the Webers are making everyone call me a `glutton for punishment'.
Should be interesting.
FWIW,
Kirby
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 15:32, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Julian,
> I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups
> guaranteed to run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
> My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan
> JonesA there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He
> suggested Ipsco's 55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a
> complete system using Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to
place
> injectors directly into the intake manifold. The whole set up is
low
> profile and can be installed under the stock screen without cutting
the
> rear deck lid.
> Boyd
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP;
When I
> approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that
was
> complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP
> using 48IDA Weber carbsA A with no issuesA e.g. Lola T70's. He will
> design a set specific to your engine whichA he guarantees will be
> virtually bolt on with minimal further tuning required.A
> Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction
> Systems that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
> [2]http://www.jiminglese.com/
> I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the
IR
> on that 408 stroker.
> Julian
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
> From: [3]boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP
applications
> I was asking Dan Jones about running Weber's on the engine he and
Dave
> McClain are putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing
the
> simulation and design. It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported
(not back
> from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I
really like
> the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180
degree
> headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat. Since my
engine is
> expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought that
> Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP
potential. Does
> anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would allow for
the
> optimum low , mid range and high end HP without losing any
throttle
> response or HP at any of the key points.
>
> On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit (
rigidity
> kit) for use on a 1971 L. I already have Billet rear risers , CV
joints (
> porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni
set up
> and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by
johnny
> woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston
calipers from
> a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center
directional
> vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master cylinders
with
> a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and Anodized
Slave
> cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible Rigidity
kit
> for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under
chassis.
> Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with
the
> high horsepower and torque.
>
> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
Managed
> by POCA DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at poca.com
> [6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. http://www.jiminglese.com/
> 3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at poca.com
> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
DeTomaso mailing list
DeTomaso at poca.com
http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
More information about the DeTomaso
mailing list