[DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications

[Boyd Casey]

Julian,
I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups guaranteed to
run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan Jones
there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He suggested Ipsco's
55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a complete system using
Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to place injectors directly into
the intake manifold. The whole set up is low profile and can be installed
under the stock screen without cutting the rear deck lid.
Boyd

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP; When I
> approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that was
> complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP using
> 48IDA Weber carbs  with no issues e.g. Lola T70's. He will design a set
> specific to your engine which he guarantees will be virtually bolt on with
> minimal further tuning required.
>
> Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction Systems
> that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
>
> http://www.jiminglese.com/
>
> I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the IR on
> that 408 stroker.
>
> Julian
>
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
> From: boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
>
>
> I was asking Dan Jones about  running Weber's on the engine he and Dave
> McClain are   putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing the
> simulation and design.  It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported  (not back
> from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I really like
> the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180 degree
> headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat.  Since my engine is
> expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought that
> Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP potential. Does
> anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would  allow for the
> optimum low , mid range and high end  HP  without  losing any throttle
> response or HP at any of the key points.
>
>  On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit ( rigidity
> kit) for use on a 1971 L.  I already have Billet rear risers , CV joints (
> porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni set up
> and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by johnny
> woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston calipers from
> a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center directional
> vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master cylinders with
> a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and  Anodized Slave
> cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible  Rigidity kit
> for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under chassis.
> Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with the
> high horsepower and torque.
>
>
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   Julian,
   I spoke to Jim Ingelese and he told be he builds Weber setups
   guaranteed to run well, he doesn't build them to meet HP goals.
   My A-3 heads have intake valves that are 2.19" and according to Dan
   JonesA  there is no way to get the air flow from 48MM Weber's. He
   suggested Ipsco's 55mm throttle bodies. Kelly Coffield fabricates a
   complete system using Ipsco's throttle bodies which are set up to place
   injectors directly into the intake manifold. The whole set up is low
   profile and can be installed under the stock screen without cutting the
   rear deck lid.
   Boyd

   On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Julian Kift
   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

   I also always heard that Webers run out of flow at around 500HP; When I
   approached Jim Inglese about a set of Webers he was adamant that was
   complete BS, quoting numerous race cars running well north of 600HP
   using 48IDA Weber carbsA A with no issuesA e.g. Lola T70's. He will
   design a set specific to your engine whichA he guarantees will be
   virtually bolt on with minimal further tuning required.A
   Be aware that Jim is no longer associated with Inglese Induction
   Systems that Comp Cams now owns and has restarted his own business
   [2]http://www.jiminglese.com/
   I'd be interested to know what cam specs you have for use with the IR
   on that 408 stroker.
   Julian
   Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:38:13 -0500
   From: [3]boyd411 at gmail.com
   To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Weber's or IR Stack EFI for high HP applications
I was asking Dan Jones about  running Weber's on the engine he and Dave
McClain are   putting together for me. Dave is building and Dan doing the
simulation and design.  It's a 408 stroker A-3heads fully ported  (not back
from the porter yet ) so they have not been bench flowed yet. I really like
the looks and sound of a stack set up and since I am running 180 degree
headers the sound with stacks the sound can't be beat.  Since my engine is
expected to be producing north of 635 HP at 6500 rpm Dan thought that
Weber's wouldn't supply enough fuel to reach the maximum HP potential. Does
anyone have experience or opinions on a set up that would  allow for the
optimum low , mid range and high end  HP  without  losing any throttle
response or HP at any of the key points.

 On another point who makes the best Chassis stabilization kit ( rigidity
kit) for use on a 1971 L.  I already have Billet rear risers , CV joints (
porsche 930) poly bushings from Dennis Quella ( along with his Koni set up
and coil overs, Sphere ball end sway bars Front a-arms modified by johnny
woods modified for maximum adjustable castor, Brembo 4 piston calipers from
a Porsche 911 turbo, Coleman custom made rotors with center directional
vanes and gas vents and custom billet hats. Dual CNC master cylinders with
a balance bar long throw clutch master with SS sleeve and  Anodized Slave
cylinder with SS sleeve. So I want to get the best possible  Rigidity kit
for the full chassis Front hood,rear engine compartment, under chassis.
Also any other recommendation which could be made to help deal with the
high horsepower and torque.

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References

   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   2. http://www.jiminglese.com/
   3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com