[DeTomaso] Undercar fresh air intake (Re: New engine)

Asa Jay Laughton asajay at asajay.com
Mon Dec 8 22:15:30 EST 2014


   In my garage.  You'll note the plastic fresh air intake is damaged and
   won't hold the rectangular tubing anymore.  But yes, I believe I still
   have that piece, and the one for the exhaust hot air system too.
   Asa  Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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   On 12/8/2014 7:03 PM, Bill Moore wrote:

   Asa Jay, where are these wonderful parts now ?

   Cheers,

   Bill Moore

   Incendium Supply

   Calgary

   -------- Original message --------

   From: Asa Jay Laughton

   Date:2014-12-08 7:56 PM (GMT-07:00)

   To: detomaso at poca.com

   Subject: [DeTomaso] Undercar fresh air intake (Re: New engine)

   The photos on this page:
   http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery
   &Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2586
   show you a stock undercar air intake snorkel, minus the flexible hose
   that connected it all.
   You'll see the undercar air pickup that would normally go to the square
   inlet on the air cleaner, and I also show the hot air pickup on the
   exhaust manifold that would normally go to the smaller round port on
   the
   underside of the air cleaner snorkel and be controlled by a vacuum
   motor.
   These are all original parts that were on my Pantera when I got it.
   Asa  Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   &  Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
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   On 12/8/2014 9:56 AM, Boyd Casey wrote:
   >     I believe you could fabricate some sort of "snorkel" using the
   specter
   >     air filter "cold air box" using the two intakes directed down
   toward
   >     the ground along the bulkhead firewall with NACA ducts at the
   bottom of
   >     the snorkels.A  ( if you are not familiar with NACA ducts they
   are
   >     openingsA  that draw in air while passing through the air without
   >     causing drag because they don't stick out into the path of the
   air
   >     flow) This link will bring you to a wikipedia descriptionA
   [1]NACA
   >     DuctsA  .I have experimented with several different combinations
   of air
   >     intakes and remote filters to attempt to provide a source of cold
   or
   >     "cooler " air for the intake. If I remember correctly the
   original
   >     design of the PanteraA  used a "snorkel" to get intake air from
   near
   >     the ground. The air down at the ground is substantially cooler
   then the
   >     surrounding ambient air and various experiments have shown that
   the
   >     Pantera acts like a vacum cleaner as it travels down the road and
   sucks
   >     air up from the ground and it passes out the open rear "window"
   so
   >     cooler air at the bottom of the car and the "vacuum" process of
   sucking
   >     air up and into the engine compartmentA  would seem to support
   the idea
   >     of using an opening near the ground makes the most sense if one
   is
   >     looking for a source for cooler air to improve the operation and
   >     maximize power. I would ask Mike drew about the original design
   of the
   >     "snorkel" intake. I have pictures of some of the parts I have
   used in
   >     my efforts to implement a remote cool air source and inline
   filters.A
   >     ( if you are interested)
   >     Boyd
   >
   >     On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Robert Stroj<[2]npdrs at maui.net>
   >     wrote:
   >
   >     Hi,
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     I got a early, flat deck car and my goal is to keep it look as
   stock as
   >     possible on the outside; no wings, no flares, just the front hood
   >     grills (as they are already on the car) and central exhaust exit
   if I
   >     end up going with 180 exhaust.
   >
   >     So, I would like to just find a air cleaner assembly that would
   fit
   >     well on high single plane intake and that is not restrictive; I
   liked
   >     the look of air cleaner I seen on Arjuns GT4 photos.
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     Down the line I am looking to possibly change to IR setup; either
   Weber
   >     or FI; but that is a future project for now.
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     Regarding the Cold Air Intakes Mike mentioned earlier that have
   been
   >     taking air from below the car; is someone making fiberglass
   "scoops"
   >     for this system, or, are there somewhere some pictures showing
   how this
   >     was implemented?
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     Robert
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     From: Boyd Casey [mailto:[3]boyd411 at gmail.com]
   >     Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:01 PM
   >     To: Robert Stroj
   >     Cc: richard boschert; detomaso mail list
   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     Robert,
   >
   >     If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this
   is the
   >     air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made
   by
   >     Specter [4]specter cold air box air cleaner
   >
   >     Boyd
   >
   >     A
   >
   >     On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj<[5]npdrs at maui.net>
   wrote:
   >
   >     Hi Richard,
   >     thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
   >     Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
   >     Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
   >     without
   >     taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid
   lifters?
   >     Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if
   he
   >     has or
   >     can make a system for my application?
   >     Thanks a lot,
   >     Robert
   >     -----Original Message-----
   >     From: richard boschert [mailto:[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
   >     Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
   >     To: Robert Stroj
   >
   >     Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
   >     Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
   >     Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
   >     My engine is a 408 Windsor.A  A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185
   heads,stock
   >     port
   >     location.
   >     Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for
   Yates
   >     heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
   >     conditioning
   >     condenser in place.I do not like the HallA  corner exit as it
   sounds
   >     like a
   >     truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the
   center
   >     sounds
   >     like aA  wild V12.
   >     Link to short video clip of mine,
   >
   [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
   >     sb-Pg
   >     Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the
   engine
   >     bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since
   Laguna
   >     Seca.
   >     Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if
   he is
   >     offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
   >     Richard
   >     --------------------------------------------
   >     On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj<[8]npdrs at maui.net>  wrote:
   >     A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
   >     A To: "'richard boschert'"<[9]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
   >     A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'"<[10]detomaso at poca.com>
   >     A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
   >     A Hi Richard,
   >     A could you please let me know
   >     A what 180 exhaust did you install?
   >     A What
   >     A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
   >     A A photo would be great!
   >     A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA  my 9.2 deck
   with
   >     Yates C3
   >     heads I mightA  consider going that route.
   >     A Thanks, Robert
   >     A -----Original Message-----
   >     A From: richard boschert [mailto:[11]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
   >     A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
   >     A PM
   >     A To: detomaso mail list
   >     A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
   >     A "Rich Boschert had
   >     A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA
   loud--they
   >     almost
   >     seemed like amplifiers ratherA  than mufflers!A A A And theyA
   lookedA
   >     terrible
   >     too."
   >     A Hey,i
   >     A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA
   thru),but
   >     yes
   >     they were LOUDA  : )
   >     A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
   >     A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA  horrible flow.
   >     A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA  baffled
   >     tips.Essentially the
   >     areA  a hollowA  can with one angled metal plate .They flowed
   well,and
   >     had a
   >     deepA  exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA  the stock Ansa's
   as
   >     well.The
   >     problemA  with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA  have
   to use
   >     a short
   >     lengthA  muffler,whichA  makes it difficult to have decent
   exhaust flow
   >     and
   >     soundA  canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA  will be
   louder
   >     than a
   >     stockA  engine with theA  same mufflers.
   >     A ">Other option, should I replace
   >     A everything with 180 degree system; howA>A  muchA>  power is it
   >     really
   >     worth?
   >     A>
   >     A>>>What you get
   >     A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA  never notice aA
   >     performance
   >     difference, andA  you will pick up weight plus enormous
   complexityA
   >     and
   >     hamper maintenance access."
   >     A On my car, i just installed
   >     A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA  a
   significant
   >     increase in
   >     power over my alreadyA  decent flowing loudA  exhaust.In fact the
   carA
   >     revs so
   >     quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA  final drive gear
   ratio
   >     to
   >     3.73, when i changeA  the 5th gear in the ZF.
   >     A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA  options on mufflers
   that
   >     can
   >     reduceA  noiseA  but still have good flow,because you are no
   longer as
   >     limited byA  muffler body length.You lose yourA  trunk
   storage,but is
   >     it
   >     something youA  reallyA  need?If you drop the battery in the
   front you
   >     can
   >     gain someA  moreA  storage up front.I started to convert aA
   trunk that
   >     was in
   >     really bad shapeA  to goA  around my 180's,but it has been on the
   back
   >     burner
   >     sinceA  i have beenA  able to get by without it soA  far.
   >     A By the way,the
   >     A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
   >     A Richard
   >
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   >
   > References
   >
   >     1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct
   >     2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
   >     3. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   >     4.
   http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
   >     5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
   >     6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
   >     7.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-
   Pg
   >     8. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
   >     9. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
   >    10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   >    11. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
   >    12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   >    13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
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