[DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops

Mon Dec 8 16:33:31 EST 2014

There's a lot of body metal between the stock fake gills and the engine compartment. Not to mention that the right side gill houses the fuel filler on most cars.

Tomas

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From: <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
Cc: "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops

> The replacement decorative fins I'm pretty sure are open behind them. 
> 
> Steve 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> 
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: "Robert Stroj" <npdrs at maui.net>, "richard boschert" <theemonkey at yahoo.com>, "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com> 
> Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 12:09:49 PM 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops 
> 
> Ken, 
> I know I have seen functional scoops using the "decorative " fins you 
> mentioned. Those are the ones they were referring to when they said the 
> "ones that don't work" I agree with you that I think the "elephant ears" 
> are extremely unattractive. I would think there should be some way to make 
> the decorative fins into a functional opening. 
> Boyd 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
>> Boyd, 
>> 
>> I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things like 
>> replacing the windows with scoops. What I'd like is to replace the metal 
>> grills (?) with something that looks very similar but is functional. For 
>> example, something with the same fins, but having an opening behind them, 
>> and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over them. The body widens a bit 
>> behind the grills, so the rear edge of the scoop can flare into the body. 
>> 
>> Ken 
>> 
>> ------------------------------ 
>> *From:* Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> 
>> *To:* Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net> 
>> *Cc:* richard boschert <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list < 
>> detomaso at poca.com> 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM 
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] New engine 
>> 
>> Robert, 
>> If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the 
>> air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by 
>> Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner 
>> Boyd 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> Hi Richard, 
>> thanks a lot, your system looks really nice! 
>> Is it stainless or ceramic coated? 
>> Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves 
>> without 
>> taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters? 
>> Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he 
>> has or 
>> can make a system for my application? 
>> Thanks a lot, 
>> Robert 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM 
>> To: Robert Stroj 
>> 
>> Cc: 'detomaso mail list' 
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine 
>> Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's. 
>> My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock 
>> port 
>> location. 
>> Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates 
>> heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air 
>> conditioning 
>> condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it sounds 
>> like a 
>> truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center 
>> sounds 
>> like aA wild V12. 
>> Link to short video clip of mine, 
>> [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP 
>> sb-Pg 
>> Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine 
>> bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna 
>> Seca. 
>> Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is 
>> offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able. 
>> Richard 
>> -------------------------------------------- 
>> On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote: 
>> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine 
>> A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com> 
>> A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com> 
>> A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM 
>> A Hi Richard, 
>> A could you please let me know 
>> A what 180 exhaust did you install? 
>> A What 
>> A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have? 
>> A A photo would be great! 
>> A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck with 
>> Yates C3 
>> heads I mightA consider going that route. 
>> A Thanks, Robert 
>> A -----Original Message----- 
>> A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com] 
>> A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57 
>> A PM 
>> A To: detomaso mail list 
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine 
>> A "Rich Boschert had 
>> A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA loud--they 
>> almost 
>> seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A A And theyA lookedA 
>> terrible 
>> too." 
>> A Hey,i 
>> A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA thru),but 
>> yes 
>> they were LOUDA : ) 
>> A The Ansa mufflers and tips are 
>> A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow. 
>> A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled 
>> tips.Essentially the 
>> areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and 
>> had a 
>> deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock Ansa's as 
>> well.The 
>> problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have to use 
>> a short 
>> lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow 
>> and 
>> soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be louder 
>> than a 
>> stockA engine with theA same mufflers. 
>> A ">Other option, should I replace 
>> A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is it 
>> really 
>> worth? 
>> A > 
>> A >>>What you get 
>> A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA never notice aA 
>> performance 
>> difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA 
>> and 
>> hamper maintenance access." 
>> A On my car, i just installed 
>> A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a significant 
>> increase in 
>> power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact the carA 
>> revs so 
>> quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear ratio 
>> to 
>> 3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF. 
>> A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers that 
>> can 
>> reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no longer as 
>> limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk storage,but is 
>> it 
>> something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the front you 
>> can 
>> gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA trunk that 
>> was in 
>> really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on the back 
>> burner 
>> sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far. 
>> A By the way,the 
>> A 180's sound GLORIOUS! 
>> A Richard 
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>> References 
>> 
>> 1. 
>> http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html 
>> 2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net 
>> 3. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com 
>> 4. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg 
>> 5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net 
>> 6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com 
>> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 
>> 8. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com 
>> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 
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