[DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops
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Mon Dec 8 15:37:41 EST 2014
The replacement decorative fins I'm pretty sure are open behind them.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Robert Stroj" <npdrs at maui.net>, "richard boschert" <theemonkey at yahoo.com>, "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 12:09:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops
Ken,
I know I have seen functional scoops using the "decorative " fins you
mentioned. Those are the ones they were referring to when they said the
"ones that don't work" I agree with you that I think the "elephant ears"
are extremely unattractive. I would think there should be some way to make
the decorative fins into a functional opening.
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Boyd,
>
> I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things like
> replacing the windows with scoops. What I'd like is to replace the metal
> grills (?) with something that looks very similar but is functional. For
> example, something with the same fins, but having an opening behind them,
> and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over them. The body widens a bit
> behind the grills, so the rear edge of the scoop can flare into the body.
>
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
> *Cc:* richard boschert <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
>
> Robert,
> If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the
> air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
> Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
> Boyd
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
> Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
> Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
> without
> taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters?
> Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he
> has or
> can make a system for my application?
> Thanks a lot,
> Robert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
> To: Robert Stroj
>
> Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
> My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock
> port
> location.
> Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates
> heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
> conditioning
> condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it sounds
> like a
> truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center
> sounds
> like aA wild V12.
> Link to short video clip of mine,
> [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
> sb-Pg
> Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
> bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
> Seca.
> Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
> offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
> Richard
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
> A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
> A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
> A Hi Richard,
> A could you please let me know
> A what 180 exhaust did you install?
> A What
> A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
> A A photo would be great!
> A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck with
> Yates C3
> heads I mightA consider going that route.
> A Thanks, Robert
> A -----Original Message-----
> A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
> A PM
> A To: detomaso mail list
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
> A "Rich Boschert had
> A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA loud--they
> almost
> seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A A And theyA lookedA
> terrible
> too."
> A Hey,i
> A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA thru),but
> yes
> they were LOUDA : )
> A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
> A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow.
> A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled
> tips.Essentially the
> areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and
> had a
> deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock Ansa's as
> well.The
> problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have to use
> a short
> lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow
> and
> soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be louder
> than a
> stockA engine with theA same mufflers.
> A ">Other option, should I replace
> A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is it
> really
> worth?
> A >
> A >>>What you get
> A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA never notice aA
> performance
> difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA
> and
> hamper maintenance access."
> A On my car, i just installed
> A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a significant
> increase in
> power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact the carA
> revs so
> quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear ratio
> to
> 3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF.
> A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers that
> can
> reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no longer as
> limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk storage,but is
> it
> something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the front you
> can
> gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA trunk that
> was in
> really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on the back
> burner
> sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far.
> A By the way,the
> A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
> A Richard
>
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>
> 1.
> http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
> 2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 3. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 4.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg
> 5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
>
>
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The replacement decorative fins I'm pretty sure are open behind them.
Steve
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Robert Stroj" <npdrs at maui.net>, "richard boschert"
<theemonkey at yahoo.com>, "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 12:09:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops
Ken,
I know I have seen functional scoops using the "decorative " fins you
mentioned. Those are the ones they were referring to when they said the
"ones that don't work" I agree with you that I think the "elephant
ears"
are extremely unattractive. I would think there should be some way to
make
the decorative fins into a functional opening.
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Boyd,
>
> I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things
like
> replacing the windows with scoops. What I'd like is to replace the
metal
> grills (?) with something that looks very similar but is functional.
For
> example, something with the same fins, but having an opening behind
them,
> and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over them. The body widens a
bit
> behind the grills, so the rear edge of the scoop can flare into the
body.
>
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
> *Cc:* richard boschert <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
>
> Robert,
> If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is
the
> air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made
by
> Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
> Boyd
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
> Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
> Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
> without
> taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid
lifters?
> Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if
he
> has or
> can make a system for my application?
> Thanks a lot,
> Robert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
> To: Robert Stroj
>
> Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
> My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock
> port
> location.
> Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for
Yates
> heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
> conditioning
> condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it
sounds
> like a
> truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the
center
> sounds
> like aA wild V12.
> Link to short video clip of mine,
>
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
> sb-Pg
> Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
> bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
> Seca.
> Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he
is
> offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
> Richard
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
> A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
> A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
> A Hi Richard,
> A could you please let me know
> A what 180 exhaust did you install?
> A What
> A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
> A A photo would be great!
> A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck with
> Yates C3
> heads I mightA consider going that route.
> A Thanks, Robert
> A -----Original Message-----
> A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
> A PM
> A To: detomaso mail list
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
> A "Rich Boschert had
> A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA
loud--they
> almost
> seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A A And theyA
lookedA
> terrible
> too."
> A Hey,i
> A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA
thru),but
> yes
> they were LOUDA : )
> A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
> A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow.
> A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled
> tips.Essentially the
> areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed
well,and
> had a
> deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock Ansa's
as
> well.The
> problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have to
use
> a short
> lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust
flow
> and
> soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be
louder
> than a
> stockA engine with theA same mufflers.
> A ">Other option, should I replace
> A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is it
> really
> worth?
> A >
> A >>>What you get
> A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA never notice aA
> performance
> difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA
> and
> hamper maintenance access."
> A On my car, i just installed
> A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a significant
> increase in
> power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact the
carA
> revs so
> quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear
ratio
> to
> 3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF.
> A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers
that
> can
> reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no longer
as
> limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk storage,but
is
> it
> something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the front
you
> can
> gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA trunk
that
> was in
> really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on the
back
> burner
> sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far.
> A By the way,the
> A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
> A Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
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> DeTomaso mailing list
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>
> References
>
> 1.
>
http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
> 2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 3. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 4.
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-
Pg
> 5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
>
>
>
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