[DeTomaso] New engine
Sean Korb
spkorb at gmail.com
Mon Dec 8 13:27:58 EST 2014
It's going to be hard to beat the stock Ford air cleaner for low profile
applications. But if you have a high rise or spacer it really won't fit.
You'll need some sort of remote setup.
The OEM Ford air cleaners are in pretty high demand... sometimes for that
reason :)
sean
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I got a early, flat deck car and my goal is to keep it look as stock as
> possible on the outside; no wings, no flares, just the front hood
> grills (as they are already on the car) and central exhaust exit if I
> end up going with 180 exhaust.
>
> So, I would like to just find a air cleaner assembly that would fit
> well on high single plane intake and that is not restrictive; I liked
> the look of air cleaner I seen on Arjuns GT4 photos.
>
>
> Down the line I am looking to possibly change to IR setup; either Weber
> or FI; but that is a future project for now.
>
>
> Regarding the Cold Air Intakes Mike mentioned earlier that have been
> taking air from below the car; is someone making fiberglass "scoops"
> for this system, or, are there somewhere some pictures showing how this
> was implemented?
>
>
> Robert
>
>
> From: Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:01 PM
> To: Robert Stroj
> Cc: richard boschert; detomaso mail list
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
>
>
> Robert,
>
> If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the
> air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
> Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
>
> Boyd
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
> Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
> Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
> without
> taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters?
> Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he
> has or
> can make a system for my application?
> Thanks a lot,
> Robert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
> To: Robert Stroj
>
> Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
> My engine is a 408 Windsor. 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock port
> location.
> Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates
> heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
> conditioning
> condenser in place.I do not like the Hall corner exit as it sounds
> like a
> truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center
> sounds
> like a wild V12.
> Link to short video clip of mine,
> [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
> sb-Pg
> Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
> bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
> Seca.
> Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
> offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
> Richard
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
> Hi Richard,
> could you please let me know
> what 180 exhaust did you install?
> What
> engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
> A photo would be great!
> If I find a 180 system that bolts straight to my 9.2 deck with Yates
> C3
> heads I might consider going that route.
> Thanks, Robert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
> PM
> To: detomaso mail list
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
> "Rich Boschert had
> ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutally loud--they
> almost
> seemed like amplifiers rather than mufflers! And they looked
> terrible
> too."
> Hey,i
> do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goes thru),but yes
> they were LOUD : )
> The Ansa mufflers and tips are
> by far the best looking muffler,but have horrible flow.
> I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with non baffled tips.Essentially
> the
> are a hollow can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and
> had a
> deep exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm than the stock Ansa's as
> well.The
> problem with the stock Pantera muffler location is you have to use a
> short
> length muffler,which makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow
> and
> sound canceling ability.Also a more powerful engine will be louder
> than a
> stock engine with the same mufflers.
> ">Other option, should I replace
> everything with 180 degree system; how > much > power is it really
> worth?
> >
> >>>What you get
> is style and a different sound. You'll never notice a performance
> difference, and you will pick up weight plus enormous complexity and
> hamper maintenance access."
> On my car, i just installed
> 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it made a significant
> increase in
> power over my already decent flowing loud exhaust.In fact the car
> revs so
> quick i am seriously thinking of changing my final drive gear ratio to
> 3.73, when i change the 5th gear in the ZF.
> With the 180 exhaust you have a lot more options on mufflers that can
> reduce noise but still have good flow,because you are no longer as
> limited by muffler body length.You lose your trunk storage,but is it
> something you really need?If you drop the battery in the front you
> can
> gain some more storage up front.I started to convert a trunk that
> was in
> really bad shape to go around my 180's,but it has been on the back
> burner
> since i have been able to get by without it so far.
> By the way,the
> 180's sound GLORIOUS!
> Richard
>
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> References
>
> 1.
> http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
> 2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 3. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 4.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg
> 5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 8. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
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It's going to be hard to beat the stock Ford air cleaner for low
profile applications.A But if you have a high rise or spacer it really
won't fit.A You'll need some sort of remote setup.
The OEM Ford air cleaners are in pretty high demand... sometimes for
that reason :)
sean
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Robert Stroj <[1]npdrs at maui.net>
wrote:
A A Hi,
A A I got a early, flat deck car and my goal is to keep it look as
stock as
A A possible on the outside; no wings, no flares, just the front
hood
A A grills (as they are already on the car) and central exhaust
exit if I
A A end up going with 180 exhaust.
A A So, I would like to just find a air cleaner assembly that would
fit
A A well on high single plane intake and that is not restrictive; I
liked
A A the look of air cleaner I seen on Arjuns GT4 photos.
A A Down the line I am looking to possibly change to IR setup;
either Weber
A A or FI; but that is a future project for now.
A A Regarding the Cold Air Intakes Mike mentioned earlier that have
been
A A taking air from below the car; is someone making fiberglass
"scoops"
A A for this system, or, are there somewhere some pictures showing
how this
A A was implemented?
A A Robert
A A From: Boyd Casey [mailto:[2]boyd411 at gmail.com]
A A Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:01 PM
A A To: Robert Stroj
A A Cc: richard boschert; detomaso mail list
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
A A Robert,
A A If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this
is the
A A air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is
made by
A A Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
A A Boyd
A A On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj
<[2][3]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
A A Hi Richard,
A A thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
A A Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
A A Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the
valves
A A without
A A taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid
lifters?
A A Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see
if he
A A has or
A A can make a system for my application?
A A Thanks a lot,
A A Robert
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: richard boschert [mailto:[3][4]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
A A Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
A A To: Robert Stroj
A A Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
A A Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
A A My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185
heads,stock port
A A location.
A A Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers
for Yates
A A heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
A A conditioning
A A condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it
sounds
A A like a
A A truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the
center
A A sounds
A A like aA wild V12.
A A Link to short video clip of mine,
A
A [4][5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sR
ZCb1aKkP
A A sb-Pg
A A Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the
engine
A A bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since
Laguna
A A Seca.
A A Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if
he is
A A offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
A A Richard
A A --------------------------------------------
A A On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5][6]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
A A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6][7]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
A A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7][8]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
A A Hi Richard,
A A could you please let me know
A A what 180 exhaust did you install?
A A What
A A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
A A A photo would be great!
A A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck
with Yates
A A C3
A A heads I mightA consider going that route.
A A Thanks, Robert
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8][9]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
A A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
A A PM
A A To: detomaso mail list
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
A A "Rich Boschert had
A A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA
loud--they
A A almost
A A seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A And theyA
looked
A A terrible
A A too."
A A Hey,i
A A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA
thru),but yes
A A they were LOUDA : )
A A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
A A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow.
A A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled
tips.Essentially
A A the
A A areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed
well,and
A A had a
A A deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock
Ansa's as
A A well.The
A A problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have
to use a
A A short
A A lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent
exhaust flow
A A and
A A soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be
louder
A A than a
A A stockA engine with theA same mufflers.
A A ">Other option, should I replace
A A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is
it really
A A worth?
A A >
A A >>>What you get
A A is style and a different sound.A A You'llA never notice aA
performance
A A difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous
complexityA and
A A hamper maintenance access."
A A On my car, i just installed
A A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a
significant
A A increase in
A A power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact
the car
A A revs so
A A quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear
ratio to
A A 3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF.
A A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers
that can
A A reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no
longer as
A A limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk
storage,but is it
A A something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the
front you
A A can
A A gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA
trunk that
A A was in
A A really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on
the back
A A burner
A A sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far.
A A By the way,the
A A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
A A Richard
A A _______________________________________________
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[12]http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.h
tml
A A 2. mailto:[13]npdrs at maui.net
A A 3. mailto:[14]theemonkey at yahoo.com
A A 4.
[15]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKk
Psb-Pg
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References
1. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
2. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
3. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
4. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
6. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
7. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
9. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
12. http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
13. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
14. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg
16. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
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