[DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 8 13:09:49 EST 2014
Ken,
I know I have seen functional scoops using the "decorative " fins you
mentioned. Those are the ones they were referring to when they said the
"ones that don't work" I agree with you that I think the "elephant ears"
are extremely unattractive. I would think there should be some way to make
the decorative fins into a functional opening.
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Boyd,
>
> I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things like
> replacing the windows with scoops. What I'd like is to replace the metal
> grills (?) with something that looks very similar but is functional. For
> example, something with the same fins, but having an opening behind them,
> and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over them. The body widens a bit
> behind the grills, so the rear edge of the scoop can flare into the body.
>
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
> *Cc:* richard boschert <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
>
> Robert,
> If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the
> air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
> Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
> Boyd
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
> Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
> Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
> without
> taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters?
> Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he
> has or
> can make a system for my application?
> Thanks a lot,
> Robert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
> To: Robert Stroj
>
> Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
> My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock
> port
> location.
> Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates
> heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
> conditioning
> condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it sounds
> like a
> truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center
> sounds
> like aA wild V12.
> Link to short video clip of mine,
> [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
> sb-Pg
> Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
> bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
> Seca.
> Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
> offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
> Richard
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
> A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
> A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
> A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
> A Hi Richard,
> A could you please let me know
> A what 180 exhaust did you install?
> A What
> A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
> A A photo would be great!
> A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck with
> Yates C3
> heads I mightA consider going that route.
> A Thanks, Robert
> A -----Original Message-----
> A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
> A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
> A PM
> A To: detomaso mail list
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
> A "Rich Boschert had
> A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA loud--they
> almost
> seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A A And theyA lookedA
> terrible
> too."
> A Hey,i
> A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA thru),but
> yes
> they were LOUDA : )
> A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
> A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow.
> A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled
> tips.Essentially the
> areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and
> had a
> deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock Ansa's as
> well.The
> problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have to use
> a short
> lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow
> and
> soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be louder
> than a
> stockA engine with theA same mufflers.
> A ">Other option, should I replace
> A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is it
> really
> worth?
> A >
> A >>>What you get
> A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA never notice aA
> performance
> difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA
> and
> hamper maintenance access."
> A On my car, i just installed
> A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a significant
> increase in
> power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact the carA
> revs so
> quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear ratio
> to
> 3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF.
> A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers that
> can
> reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no longer as
> limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk storage,but is
> it
> something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the front you
> can
> gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA trunk that
> was in
> really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on the back
> burner
> sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far.
> A By the way,the
> A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
> A Richard
>
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> 1.
> http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
> 2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 3. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 4.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg
> 5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
> 6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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Ken,
I know I have seen functional scoops using the "decorative " fins you
mentioned. Those are the ones they were referring to when they said the
"ones that don't work" I agree with you that I think the "elephant
ears" are extremely unattractive.A I would think there should be some
way to make the decorative fins into a functionalA opening.
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
wrote:
Boyd,
A A A I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things
like replacing the windows with scoops.A What I'd likeA is to replace
the metal grillsA (?) with something that looks very similar but is
functional.A For example, something with the same fins, but having an
opening behind them, and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over
them.A The body widens a bit behind the grills, so the rear edge of
the scoop can flare into the body.
Ken
A
__________________________________________________________________
From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Robert Stroj <[3]npdrs at maui.net>
Cc: richard boschert <[4]theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list
<[5]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
A Robert,
A If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is
the
A air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
A Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
A Boyd
A On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2][6]npdrs at maui.net>
wrote:
A A Hi Richard,
A A thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
A A Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
A A Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
A A without
A A taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid
lifters?
A A Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if
he
A A has or
A A can make a system for my application?
A A Thanks a lot,
A A Robert
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: richard boschert [mailto:[3][7]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
A A Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
A A To: Robert Stroj
A Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
A Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
A My engine is a 408 Windsor.AA A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock
A port
A location.
A Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for
Yates
A heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
A conditioning
A condenser in place.I do not like the HallAA corner exit as it
sounds
A like a
A truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the
center
A sounds
A like aAA wild V12.
A Link to short video clip of mine,
A
[4][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1a
KkP
A sb-Pg
A Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
A bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
A Seca.
A Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he
is
A offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
A Richard
A --------------------------------------------
A On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5][9]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
A A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6][10]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
A A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7][11]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
A A Hi Richard,
A A could you please let me know
A A what 180 exhaust did you install?
A A What
A A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
A A A photo would be great!
A A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toAA my 9.2 deck with
A Yates C3
A heads I mightAA consider going that route.
A A Thanks, Robert
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8][12]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
A A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
A A PM
A A To: detomaso mail list
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
A A "Rich Boschert had
A A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyAA
loud--they
A almost
A seemed like amplifiers ratherAA than mufflers!A A A And theyAA
lookedA
A terrible
A too."
A A Hey,i
A A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesAA
thru),but
A yes
A they were LOUDAA : )
A A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
A A by far the best looking muffler,but haveAA horrible flow.
A A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonAA baffled
A tips.Essentially the
A areAA a hollowAA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed
well,and
A had a
A deepAA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanAA the stock Ansa's
as
A well.The
A problemAA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youAA have to
use
A a short
A lengthAA muffler,whichAA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust
flow
A and
A soundAA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineAA will be
louder
A than a
A stockAA engine with theAA same mufflers.
A A ">Other option, should I replace
A A everything with 180 degree system; howAA >AA muchAA > power is
it
A really
A worth?
A A >
A A >>>What you get
A A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llAA never notice aA
A performance
A difference, andAA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA
A and
A hamper maintenance access."
A A On my car, i just installed
A A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeAA a significant
A increase in
A power over my alreadyAA decent flowing loudAA exhaust.In fact the
carA
A revs so
A quick i am seriously thinking of changing myAA final drive gear
ratio
A to
A 3.73, when i changeAA the 5th gear in the ZF.
A A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreAA options on mufflers
that
A can
A reduceAA noiseAA but still have good flow,because you are no
longer as
A limited byAA muffler body length.You lose yourAA trunk storage,but
is
A it
A something youAA reallyAA need?If you drop the battery in the front
you
A can
A gain someAA moreAA storage up front.I started to convert aAA
trunk that
A was in
A really bad shapeAA to goAA around my 180's,but it has been on the
back
A burner
A sinceAA i have beenAA able to get by without it soAA far.
A A By the way,the
A A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
A A Richard
A _______________________________________________
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tml
A 2. mailto:[16]npdrs at maui.net
A 3. mailto:[17]theemonkey at yahoo.com
A 4.
[18]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKk
Psb-Pg
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7. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
9. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
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11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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