[DeTomaso] New engine
Robert Stroj
npdrs at maui.net
Mon Dec 8 00:02:56 EST 2014
Hi,
I got a early, flat deck car and my goal is to keep it look as stock as possible on the outside; no wings, no flares, just the front hood grills (as they are already on the car) and central exhaust exit if I end up going with 180 exhaust.
So, I would like to just find a air cleaner assembly that would fit well on high single plane intake and that is not restrictive; I liked the look of air cleaner I seen on Arjuns GT4 photos.
Down the line I am looking to possibly change to IR setup; either Weber or FI; but that is a future project for now.
Regarding the Cold Air Intakes Mike mentioned earlier that have been taking air from below the car; is someone making fiberglass "scoops" for this system, or, are there somewhere some pictures showing how this was implemented?
Robert
From: Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:01 PM
To: Robert Stroj
Cc: richard boschert; detomaso mail list
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,
If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by Specter specter cold air box air cleaner <http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html>
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
Hi Richard,
thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves without
taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters?
Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he has or
can make a system for my application?
Thanks a lot,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: richard boschert [mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
To: Robert Stroj
Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
My engine is a 408 Windsor. 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock port
location.
Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates
heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air conditioning
condenser in place.I do not like the Hall corner exit as it sounds like a
truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center sounds
like a wild V12.
Link to short video clip of mine,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg> &list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg
Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna Seca.
Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
Richard
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
To: "'richard boschert'" <theemonkey at yahoo.com>
Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <detomaso at poca.com>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
Hi Richard,
could you please let me know
what 180 exhaust did you install?
What
engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
A photo would be great!
If I find a 180 system that bolts straight to my 9.2 deck with Yates C3
heads I might consider going that route.
Thanks, Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: richard boschert [mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
PM
To: detomaso mail list
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
"Rich Boschert had
ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutally loud--they almost
seemed like amplifiers rather than mufflers! And they looked terrible
too."
Hey,i
do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goes thru),but yes
they were LOUD : )
The Ansa mufflers and tips are
by far the best looking muffler,but have horrible flow.
I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with non baffled tips.Essentially the
are a hollow can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and had a
deep exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm than the stock Ansa's as well.The
problem with the stock Pantera muffler location is you have to use a short
length muffler,which makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow and
sound canceling ability.Also a more powerful engine will be louder than a
stock engine with the same mufflers.
">Other option, should I replace
everything with 180 degree system; how > much > power is it really
worth?
>
>>>What you get
is style and a different sound. You'll never notice a performance
difference, and you will pick up weight plus enormous complexity and
hamper maintenance access."
On my car, i just installed
180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it made a significant increase in
power over my already decent flowing loud exhaust.In fact the car revs so
quick i am seriously thinking of changing my final drive gear ratio to
3.73, when i change the 5th gear in the ZF.
With the 180 exhaust you have a lot more options on mufflers that can
reduce noise but still have good flow,because you are no longer as
limited by muffler body length.You lose your trunk storage,but is it
something you really need?If you drop the battery in the front you can
gain some more storage up front.I started to convert a trunk that was in
really bad shape to go around my 180's,but it has been on the back burner
since i have been able to get by without it so far.
By the way,the
180's sound GLORIOUS!
Richard
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Hi,
I got a early, flat deck car and my goal is to keep it look as stock as
possible on the outside; no wings, no flares, just the front hood
grills (as they are already on the car) and central exhaust exit if I
end up going with 180 exhaust.
So, I would like to just find a air cleaner assembly that would fit
well on high single plane intake and that is not restrictive; I liked
the look of air cleaner I seen on Arjuns GT4 photos.
Down the line I am looking to possibly change to IR setup; either Weber
or FI; but that is a future project for now.
Regarding the Cold Air Intakes Mike mentioned earlier that have been
taking air from below the car; is someone making fiberglass "scoops"
for this system, or, are there somewhere some pictures showing how this
was implemented?
Robert
From: Boyd Casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:01 PM
To: Robert Stroj
Cc: richard boschert; detomaso mail list
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,
If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the
air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
Hi Richard,
thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
without
taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters?
Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he
has or
can make a system for my application?
Thanks a lot,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
To: Robert Stroj
Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
My engine is a 408 Windsor. 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock port
location.
Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates
heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
conditioning
condenser in place.I do not like the Hall corner exit as it sounds
like a
truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center
sounds
like a wild V12.
Link to short video clip of mine,
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
sb-Pg
Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
Seca.
Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
Richard
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
Hi Richard,
could you please let me know
what 180 exhaust did you install?
What
engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
A photo would be great!
If I find a 180 system that bolts straight to my 9.2 deck with Yates
C3
heads I might consider going that route.
Thanks, Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
PM
To: detomaso mail list
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
"Rich Boschert had
ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutally loud--they
almost
seemed like amplifiers rather than mufflers! And they looked
terrible
too."
Hey,i
do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goes thru),but yes
they were LOUD : )
The Ansa mufflers and tips are
by far the best looking muffler,but have horrible flow.
I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with non baffled tips.Essentially
the
are a hollow can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and
had a
deep exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm than the stock Ansa's as
well.The
problem with the stock Pantera muffler location is you have to use a
short
length muffler,which makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow
and
sound canceling ability.Also a more powerful engine will be louder
than a
stock engine with the same mufflers.
">Other option, should I replace
everything with 180 degree system; how > much > power is it really
worth?
>
>>>What you get
is style and a different sound. You'll never notice a performance
difference, and you will pick up weight plus enormous complexity and
hamper maintenance access."
On my car, i just installed
180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it made a significant
increase in
power over my already decent flowing loud exhaust.In fact the car
revs so
quick i am seriously thinking of changing my final drive gear ratio to
3.73, when i change the 5th gear in the ZF.
With the 180 exhaust you have a lot more options on mufflers that can
reduce noise but still have good flow,because you are no longer as
limited by muffler body length.You lose your trunk storage,but is it
something you really need?If you drop the battery in the front you
can
gain some more storage up front.I started to convert a trunk that
was in
really bad shape to go around my 180's,but it has been on the back
burner
since i have been able to get by without it so far.
By the way,the
180's sound GLORIOUS!
Richard
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References
1. http://www.carid.com/spectre/spectre-performance-air-box-12048027.html
2. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
3. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkPsb-Pg
5. mailto:npdrs at maui.net
6. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
8. mailto:theemonkey at yahoo.com
9. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
10. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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