[DeTomaso] New engine now air scoops
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 7 22:21:19 EST 2014
Boyd,
I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things like replacing the windows with scoops. What I'd like is to replace the metal grills (?) with something that looks very similar but is functional. For example, something with the same fins, but having an opening behind them, and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over them. The body widens a bit behind the grills, so the rear edge of the scoop can flare into the body.
Ken
From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
Cc: richard boschert <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,
If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is the
air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
Hi Richard,
thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
without
taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid lifters?
Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if he
has or
can make a system for my application?
Thanks a lot,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: richard boschert [mailto:[3]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
To: Robert Stroj
Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock
port
location.
Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for Yates
heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
conditioning
condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it sounds
like a
truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center
sounds
like aA wild V12.
Link to short video clip of mine,
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKkP
sb-Pg
Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
Seca.
Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
Richard
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
A Hi Richard,
A could you please let me know
A what 180 exhaust did you install?
A What
A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
A A photo would be great!
A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck with
Yates C3
heads I mightA consider going that route.
A Thanks, Robert
A -----Original Message-----
A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
A PM
A To: detomaso mail list
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
A "Rich Boschert had
A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA loud--they
almost
seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A A And theyA lookedA
terrible
too."
A Hey,i
A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA thru),but
yes
they were LOUDA : )
A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow.
A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled
tips.Essentially the
areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed well,and
had a
deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock Ansa's as
well.The
problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have to use
a short
lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust flow
and
soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be louder
than a
stockA engine with theA same mufflers.
A ">Other option, should I replace
A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is it
really
worth?
A >
A >>>What you get
A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA never notice aA
performance
difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA
and
hamper maintenance access."
A On my car, i just installed
A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a significant
increase in
power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact the carA
revs so
quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear ratio
to
3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF.
A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers that
can
reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no longer as
limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk storage,but is
it
something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the front you
can
gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA trunk that
was in
really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on the back
burner
sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far.
A By the way,the
A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
A Richard
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Boyd,
I like the look of the Pantera so much that I don't like things
like replacing the windows with scoops. What I'd like is to replace
the metal grills (?) with something that looks very similar but is
functional. For example, something with the same fins, but having an
opening behind them, and a clear lexan cover forming a scoop over
them. The body widens a bit behind the grills, so the rear edge of the
scoop can flare into the body.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
Cc: richard boschert <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; detomaso mail list
<detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,
If you are going to use "sugar scoops" at the side windows this is
the
air cleaner "cold air box" that mike drew mentioned which is made by
Specter [1]specter cold air box air cleaner
Boyd
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Robert Stroj <[2][1]npdrs at maui.net>
wrote:
Hi Richard,
thanks a lot, your system looks really nice!
Is it stainless or ceramic coated?
Is it possible to take the valve covers off and adjust the valves
without
taking headers off; this is important for me as i run solid
lifters?
Would you please maybe have contact for Ron; would like to see if
he
has or
can make a system for my application?
Thanks a lot,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: richard boschert [mailto:[3][2]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 6:49 PM
To: Robert Stroj
Cc: 'detomaso mail list'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
Robert,I have the Precision Proformance 180's.
My engine is a 408 Windsor.A A 9.5 deck height,AFR 185 heads,stock
port
location.
Both Hall Pantera and Precision Proformance have 180 headers for
Yates
heads,but Halls exit in the corners so you can leave the air
conditioning
condenser in place.I do not like the HallA corner exit as it sounds
like a
truck versus the the two exhaust pipes exiting together in the center
sounds
like aA wild V12.
Link to short video clip of mine,
[4][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1a
KkP
sb-Pg
Attached are a few pics to show roughly how they fit in the engine
bay.Ignore the dusty engine bay,i have not cleaned it since Laguna
Seca.
Everything i have seen that Ron Mcall does has been great,so if he is
offering 180's that fit your heads, get his if you are able.
Richard
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 12/5/14, Robert Stroj <[5][4]npdrs at maui.net> wrote:
A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] New engine
A To: "'richard boschert'" <[6][5]theemonkey at yahoo.com>
A Cc: "'detomaso mail list'" <[7][6]detomaso at poca.com>
A Date: Friday, December 5, 2014, 3:57 PM
A Hi Richard,
A could you please let me know
A what 180 exhaust did you install?
A What
A engine (deck height) and heads combination do you have?
A A photo would be great!
A If I find a 180 system that bolts straight toA my 9.2 deck with
Yates C3
heads I mightA consider going that route.
A Thanks, Robert
A -----Original Message-----
A From: richard boschert [mailto:[8][7]theemonkey at yahoo.com]
A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:57
A PM
A To: detomaso mail list
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New engine
A "Rich Boschert had
A ANSA-sized Flowmaster mufflers, but they were brutallyA loud--they
almost
seemed like amplifiers ratherA than mufflers!A A A And theyA
lookedA
terrible
too."
A Hey,i
A do not think they were ugly ,(attached a pic if it goesA thru),but
yes
they were LOUDA : )
A The Ansa mufflers and tips are
A by far the best looking muffler,but haveA horrible flow.
A I had Cherry Bomb Extreme mufflers with nonA baffled
tips.Essentially the
areA a hollowA can with one angled metal plate .They flowed
well,and
had a
deepA exhaust note.Less drone at low rpm thanA the stock Ansa's as
well.The
problemA with the stock Pantera muffler location is youA have to
use
a short
lengthA muffler,whichA makes it difficult to have decent exhaust
flow
and
soundA canceling ability.Also a more powerful engineA will be
louder
than a
stockA engine with theA same mufflers.
A ">Other option, should I replace
A everything with 180 degree system; howA >A muchA > power is it
really
worth?
A >
A >>>What you get
A is style and a different sound.A A A You'llA never notice aA
performance
difference, andA you will pick up weight plus enormous complexityA
and
hamper maintenance access."
A On my car, i just installed
A 180's with 4 inch Magnaflow mufflers,and it madeA a significant
increase in
power over my alreadyA decent flowing loudA exhaust.In fact the
carA
revs so
quick i am seriously thinking of changing myA final drive gear ratio
to
3.73, when i changeA the 5th gear in the ZF.
A With the 180 exhaust you have a lot moreA options on mufflers that
can
reduceA noiseA but still have good flow,because you are no longer
as
limited byA muffler body length.You lose yourA trunk storage,but is
it
something youA reallyA need?If you drop the battery in the front
you
can
gain someA moreA storage up front.I started to convert aA trunk
that
was in
really bad shapeA to goA around my 180's,but it has been on the
back
burner
sinceA i have beenA able to get by without it soA far.
A By the way,the
A 180's sound GLORIOUS!
A Richard
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4.
[13]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl5tdQqZLA&list=UUtdJuds1sRZCb1aKk
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