[DeTomaso] Factory Documents source (and GT4 9220 details)
jderyke at aol.com
jderyke at aol.com
Tue Dec 2 16:16:55 EST 2014
Well after the sixteen known Pantera racers were built and homologated, the factory built two GT-4 "Stradales". #6609 (circa '73 chassis) went to Saudi Arabia and # 9041 (circa 1977-78 chassis) went to Japan, according to P. Olczyck's DeTomaso book. The GT-4s were originally supposed to be a sort-of streetable version of the pure-race GR-4, but all known GT-4s raced as hard and as often in international competition as the GR-4s; in some cases, more so and had identical build details.
The Stradale name is used in Italy for high-performance cars supposed to be streetable-racers but almost nothing is known of the two DeTomasos mentioned. In the original 1994 Roster, #6609 is listed as being in Sweden in the '80s while the one in Japan disappeared. So it's entirely possible the factory did build a third example- in the early '80s from the mentioned serial# of 9220. S/n 9221 is shown in that same Registry as a 1983 GT-5 while s/n 9222 is listed as a 1982 GT-5. There are no known photos, build specs or any other details of any DeTomaso Stradales- making them about as rare an example of the marque as possible! I'd sure like some photos!
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 11:55 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Factory Documents source (and GT4 9220 details)
Forum Listers,
I received an interesting eBay link from Denis C.
This is interesting for a number of reasons...
One is that this seller seems to frequently have De Tomaso factory
documents relating to our cars, that might would normally be
documents that would likely `stay' with the factory. I wonder how
these documents got out.
In this case the document is the pre-release test drive. This is not
the kind of document that I thought was available
from Santiago. (If any owners have documents like this, they should be
added to the registry!)
Another reason this is interesting, is that it documents that the car
in question (9220) is a "GT4" model.
As most of you probably know, when the factory started producing the
light-weight Group 4 race cars in Feb 1972,
they also planned to make a street-equivalent identified as the GT4.
So there are Group 4 cars and GT4 cars made in 1972.
The registry shows which cars (by VIN) were destined for each
category.
But the demand for the Group 4 track cars was high, thus before
completion, all the GT4 cars were re-assigned
to the Group 4 group, and finished accordingly. We tend to call all
the cars thus made as Group 4.
But we can also identify the sub-group of these cars that were destined
to be GT4 cars.
About a decade passes, and for some reason (marketing ???) De Tomaso
chose to use the GT4 model name
on a very small number of cars.
(It would be nice if anyone with more details, Santiago, Roland, and
others could chime in here. Like exactly which cars were so built.)
When this specific car was produced (1981) it was identified as a GT4
by both the factory (in this new document),
and by Claude Dubois, the distributor (document in the registry).
Sadly, the current owner has not updated the registry entry with fresh
photos. I wonder where this car is now?
Best Regards,
Chuck Melton
[1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomaso-Pantera-1981-original-test-drive-Toma
so-/361105663934?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=it
em54139327be
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
References
1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomaso-Pantera-1981-original-test-drive-Tomaso-/361105663934?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item54139327be
2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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Well after the sixteen known Pantera racers were built and homologated,
the factory built two GT-4 "Stradales". #6609 (circa '73 chassis) went
to Saudi Arabia and # 9041 (circa 1977-78 chassis) went to Japan,
according to P. Olczyck's DeTomaso book. The GT-4s were originally
supposed to be a sort-of streetable version of the pure-race GR-4, but
all known GT-4s raced as hard and as often in international competition
as the GR-4s; in some cases, more so and had identical build details.
The Stradale name is used in Italy for high-performance cars supposed
to be streetable-racers but almost nothing is known of the two
DeTomasos mentioned. In the original 1994 Roster, #6609 is listed as
being in Sweden in the '80s while the one in Japan disappeared. So it's
entirely possible the factory did build a third example- in the early
'80s from the mentioned serial# of 9220. S/n 9221 is shown in that same
Registry as a 1983 GT-5 while s/n 9222 is listed as a 1982 GT-5. There
are no known photos, build specs or any other details of any DeTomaso
Stradales- making them about as rare an example of the marque as
possible! I'd sure like some photos!
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 11:55 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Factory Documents source (and GT4 9220 details)
Forum Listers,
I received an interesting eBay link from Denis C.
This is interesting for a number of reasons...
One is that this seller seems to frequently have De Tomaso factory
documents relating to our cars, that might would normally be
documents that would likely `stay' with the factory. I wonder how
these documents got out.
In this case the document is the pre-release test drive. This is not
the kind of document that I thought was available
from Santiago. (If any owners have documents like this, they should be
added to the registry!)
Another reason this is interesting, is that it documents that the car
in question (9220) is a "GT4" model.
As most of you probably know, when the factory started producing the
light-weight Group 4 race cars in Feb 1972,
they also planned to make a street-equivalent identified as the GT4.
So there are Group 4 cars and GT4 cars made in 1972.
The registry shows which cars (by VIN) were destined for each
category.
But the demand for the Group 4 track cars was high, thus before
completion, all the GT4 cars were re-assigned
to the Group 4 group, and finished accordingly. We tend to call all
the cars thus made as Group 4.
But we can also identify the sub-group of these cars that were destined
to be GT4 cars.
About a decade passes, and for some reason (marketing ???) De Tomaso
chose to use the GT4 model name
on a very small number of cars.
(It would be nice if anyone with more details, Santiago, Roland, and
others could chime in here. Like exactly which cars were so built.)
When this specific car was produced (1981) it was identified as a GT4
by both the factory (in this new document),
and by Claude Dubois, the distributor (document in the registry).
Sadly, the current owner has not updated the registry entry with fresh
photos. I wonder where this car is now?
Best Regards,
Chuck Melton
[1][1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomaso-Pantera-1981-original-test-drive-Toma
so-/361105663934?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=it
em54139327be
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[2][2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
References
1. [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomaso-Pantera-1981-original-test-drive-Tomaso-
/361105663934?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item54139327be
2. [4]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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DeTomaso mailing list
[5]DeTomaso at poca.com
[6]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
References
1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomaso-Pantera-1981-original-test-drive-Toma
2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomaso-Pantera-1981-original-test-drive-Tomaso-/361105663934?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item54139327be
4. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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