[DeTomaso] NPC good idea for mileage.
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Mon Aug 25 00:12:38 EDT 2014
Hybrid is mostly marketing, which is important just like engineering is
important.
When our Insight was new, it did 73mpg all day long (highway). But if you
factor in the $1500 battery replacement every 70,000 miles, it doesn’t
sound so good.
I’d rather have a 4-cylinder turbo, but they aren’t generally available in
the US. When we bought the Insight, our only other choice was the turbo
diesel from VW. Of course, we finally settled on the Honda, but it would
have been nice to have had a few more options.
On 8/24/14, 9:41 AM, "Roland Jaeckel" <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
>My 1999 Volkswagen Polo with a 110 HP turbo diesel engine does 47 MpG in
>daily use. It has run now 300.000 miles and nothing ever failed. So where
>is the atvantsge to new hybrid cars?
>
>> Am 24.08.2014 um 14:53 schrieb Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Jeff said it very well.
>>
>> I just changed the hybrid battery on our Insight for the 2nd time. It
>>was
>> $1500 this time. Gas mileage has dropped to about 55mpg. Overall
>>mileage
>> is 213,000. If it were a straight gasoline engine w/out hybrid, it
>>would
>> probably run about 45mpg. That¹s an average of 50/50 highway city based
>> on our experiences the past year with a dead hybrid battery.
>>Driveability
>> was pretty bad under 10mph. A turbo 3-cylinder would be better overall.
>>
>>> On 8/23/14, 10:38 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Geeze, a 1982 Honda Civic Wagon can break 40MPG.A Kind of a dog to
>>> drive, tho.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, [1]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> <[2]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A A I would have to concur with your evaluation. Even BMW with thr
>>> newly
>>> A A introduced i3 can't break 40 mpg.
>>> A
>>> A [1][3]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092237_2014-bmw-i3-rex-
>>> window-s
>>> A A ticker-revealed-39-mpg-on-gasoline-breaking
>>> A A Michael Shortt
>>> A A On Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM, "Jeff Cobb" <[2][4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> A A A AA A Thank you for sending.
>>> A A A AA A What you showed us is a fine system for air/fuel vapor
>>> A A A induction on its
>>> A A A AA A crudest yet functional primal level.
>>> A A A AA A Various systems of this type came out and were on
>>> working
>>> A A A automotive
>>> A A A AA A and motorcycle functions in 1883 +-.
>>> A A A AA A American George Brayton used a device like this in
>>> about 1880
>>> A A A to
>>> A A A AA A function as a carb and he used a screen
>>> A A A AA A to separate the wave reversal of combustion flame.
>>> A A A AA A Karl Benz first Patent cycle used a vapor device like
>>> this
>>> A A A in/about
>>> A A A AA A 1890.
>>> A A A AA A The 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmueller used this system and
>>> I
>>> A A A photoed it at
>>> A A A AA A the 2013 Pebble.
>>> A A A AA A Of course this system is crude and in the 120 design
>>> years
>>> A A A since has
>>> A A A AA A become more usable for our daily drives.
>>> A A A AA A What this u-tube shows and we all know is that a well
>>> designed
>>> A A A steady
>>> A A A AA A state gasoline engine is many times more
>>> A A A AA A economical that an engine with varying rpm.
>>> A A A AA A Why can't GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc do it too?
>>> A A A AA A They cannot use this system because it does not
>>> provide enough
>>> A A A AA A horsepower and drivability.
>>> A A A AA A This is why future cars will have steady state
>>> gasoline engine
>>> A A A AA A providing power for varying rpm electric motors,
>>> A A A AA A trains have used this hybrid concept starting in 1903.
>>> A A A AA A Gasoline consumed will equal specific horsepower and
>>> torque
>>> A A A output and
>>> A A A AA A only will a very lightly loaded small h/p output gas
>>> engine
>>> A A A ever
>>> A A A AA A achieve 50 +- mpg in daily use. Any higher number
>>> would be B/S,
>>> A A A not
>>> A A A AA A properly drivable and unable to carry load.
>>> A A A AA A Many English cars after WWII ran on coal dust and or
>>> wood fume
>>> A A A vapors
>>> A A A AA A from their pulled trailers.
>>> A A A AA A Many fuel/air types are possible but most people
>>> desire
>>> A A A functional use
>>> A A A AA A over economy.
>>> A A A AA A Thanks,
>>> A A A AA A Jeff Cobb
>>> A A A AA A On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jeff Detrich
>>> A A A <[1][3][5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>> A A A AA A wrote:
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