[DeTomaso] Flex-a-lite question

Jeff Detrich jjdetrich at gmail.com
Wed Aug 20 14:50:47 EDT 2014


To paraphrase an old Hewlett-Packard mantra,  “You cannot fix what you
cannot measure."

Jeff
6559


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Mike Short makes a good point  when he mentions that Larry is assigning  anthropomorphic
> attributes to parts of his Pantera.(  Anthropomorphism is the attribution
> of *human characteristics to machines or animals). **If Larry (or anyone
> else)  thinks that their automobiles fans ( or any other component ) is not
> operating up to specifications they can easily measure the effectiveness of
> the system in question.  You can easily obtain a variety of devices that
> are capable of measuring the actual airflow, rpm of the fan blades etc. As
> an example for measuring CFM ( which can be useful for measuring air flow
> for cooling or for  air intake for the engine** , **Carburetion, **Fu**el
> injection etc.)  This link  shows a small sample of some of the devices
> .http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en
> <http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en>
>  This removes the question of wondering if your car or fans are"tired"  and
> replaces the *Anthropomorphic attributes with technically appropriate and
> scientifically accurate measurement devices. Although many of us like to
> assign a name and or a gender to our favorite "Toys" which I believe can
> actually enhance the ownership experience  when it comes to maintaining
> peak operating performance it is necessary to rely on technology and not
> asking our Cat " If it's a little tired"
>
> Boyd
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>    Check your fan grounds.
>>    Jeff
>>    6559
>>
>>    On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Larry Finch <[1]fresnofinches at aol.com
>> >
>>    wrote:
>>
>>      A  A All,
>>      A  A I've come to the conclusion the Hall Pantera Meriah fans are
>>      getting
>>      A  A tired and are not up to the task of slow traffic cooling.
>>      A  A I say this because in Summer/Winter I now always see a large
>>      jump in
>>      A  A temp when I get into city traffic versus highway travel. 20-30
>>      degrees
>>      A  A jump. Wasn't always that way.
>>      A  A I would rather not remount the three-pass Quella/Ron Francis
>>      radiator
>>      A  A for sucker fans, so I'm looking at pushers.
>>      A  A Felx-a-lite offers model 440 as a pusher. 2500 cfm, S-blades,
>>      etc.
>>      A  A But I noted the online-available PDF installation sheet groups
>>      the 440
>>      A  A pusher and the 420 puller in the same section.
>>      A  A It instructs the 420 puller to be wired red/red and
>>      black/black, fan to
>>      A  A power source. And to reverse the wiring to red/black and
>>      black/red for
>>      A  A the 440 pusher model. This tells me the fan blades are expected
>>      to
>>      A  A perform whether rotating CW or CCW. But I've always heard
>>      blades are
>>      A  A optimal for one direction only, and show reduced efficiency
>>      when
>>      A  A rotating opposite to the intended function.
>>      A  A I will try to talk with a Flex-a-lite tech about this on
>>      Monday, but in
>>      A  A the meantime I'm asking for any of your ideas, thoughts and
>>      A  A suggestions.
>>      A  A Thanks,
>>      A  A Larry
>>      A  A ......and no, I don't know why my emails (at least in the
>>      archives) are
>>      A  A now getting duplicated by the List software.
>>
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>> References
>>
>>    1. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
>>
>>    2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>    3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   To paraphrase an old Hewlett-Packard mantra,A  aYou cannot fix what you
   cannot measure."
   Jeff
   6559

   On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   A Mike Short makes a good point A when he mentions that Larry is
   assigning A anthropomorphic attributes to parts of his
   Pantera.(A A Anthropomorphism is the attribution ofA human
   characteristics to machines or animals). If Larry (or anyone else)
   A thinks that their automobiles fans ( or any other component ) is not
   operating up to specifications they can easily measure the
   effectiveness of the system in question. A You can easily obtain a
   variety of devices that are capable of measuring the actual airflow,
   rpm of the fan blades etc. As an example for measuring CFM ( which can
   be useful for measuring air flow for cooling or for A air intake for
   the engineA ,A Carburetion,A Fuel injection etc.) A This link A shows a
   small sample of some of the devices
   .[2]http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&
   oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en A This removes the question of
   wondering if your car or fans are"tired" A and replaces
   theA Anthropomorphic attributes with technically appropriate and
   scientifically accurate measurement devices. Although many of us like
   to assign a name and or a gender to our favorite "Toys" which I believe
   can actually enhance the ownership experience A when it comes to
   maintaining peak operating performance it is necessary to rely on
   technology and not asking our Cat " If it's a little tired"
   Boyd

   On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Detrich <[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   A  A Check your fan grounds.
   A  A Jeff
   A  A 6559

     A  A On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Larry Finch
     <[1][4]fresnofinches at aol.com>
     A  A wrote:
     A  A  A AA  A All,
     A  A  A AA  A I've come to the conclusion the Hall Pantera Meriah
     fans are
     A  A  A getting
     A  A  A AA  A tired and are not up to the task of slow traffic
     cooling.
     A  A  A AA  A I say this because in Summer/Winter I now always see a
     large
     A  A  A jump in
     A  A  A AA  A temp when I get into city traffic versus highway
     travel. 20-30
     A  A  A degrees
     A  A  A AA  A jump. Wasn't always that way.
     A  A  A AA  A I would rather not remount the three-pass Quella/Ron
     Francis
     A  A  A radiator
     A  A  A AA  A for sucker fans, so I'm looking at pushers.
     A  A  A AA  A Felx-a-lite offers model 440 as a pusher. 2500 cfm,
     S-blades,
     A  A  A etc.
     A  A  A AA  A But I noted the online-available PDF installation
     sheet groups
     A  A  A the 440
     A  A  A AA  A pusher and the 420 puller in the same section.
     A  A  A AA  A It instructs the 420 puller to be wired red/red and
     A  A  A black/black, fan to
     A  A  A AA  A power source. And to reverse the wiring to red/black
     and
     A  A  A black/red for
     A  A  A AA  A the 440 pusher model. This tells me the fan blades are
     expected
     A  A  A to
     A  A  A AA  A perform whether rotating CW or CCW. But I've always
     heard
     A  A  A blades are
     A  A  A AA  A optimal for one direction only, and show reduced
     efficiency
     A  A  A when
     A  A  A AA  A rotating opposite to the intended function.
     A  A  A AA  A I will try to talk with a Flex-a-lite tech about this
     on
     A  A  A Monday, but in
     A  A  A AA  A the meantime I'm asking for any of your ideas,
     thoughts and
     A  A  A AA  A suggestions.
     A  A  A AA  A Thanks,
     A  A  A AA  A Larry
     A  A  A AA  A ......and no, I don't know why my emails (at least in
     the
     A  A  A archives) are
     A  A  A AA  A now getting duplicated by the List software.

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     References
     A  A 1. mailto:[7]fresnofinches at aol.com

   A  A 2. mailto:[8]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  A 3. [9]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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References

   1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   2. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en
   3. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   4. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
   5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   7. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
   8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com


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