[DeTomaso] Flex-a-lite question
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Wed Aug 20 14:50:47 EDT 2014
To paraphrase an old Hewlett-Packard mantra, “You cannot fix what you
cannot measure."
Jeff
6559
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike Short makes a good point when he mentions that Larry is assigning anthropomorphic
> attributes to parts of his Pantera.( Anthropomorphism is the attribution
> of *human characteristics to machines or animals). **If Larry (or anyone
> else) thinks that their automobiles fans ( or any other component ) is not
> operating up to specifications they can easily measure the effectiveness of
> the system in question. You can easily obtain a variety of devices that
> are capable of measuring the actual airflow, rpm of the fan blades etc. As
> an example for measuring CFM ( which can be useful for measuring air flow
> for cooling or for air intake for the engine** , **Carburetion, **Fu**el
> injection etc.) This link shows a small sample of some of the devices
> .http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en
> <http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en>
> This removes the question of wondering if your car or fans are"tired" and
> replaces the *Anthropomorphic attributes with technically appropriate and
> scientifically accurate measurement devices. Although many of us like to
> assign a name and or a gender to our favorite "Toys" which I believe can
> actually enhance the ownership experience when it comes to maintaining
> peak operating performance it is necessary to rely on technology and not
> asking our Cat " If it's a little tired"
>
> Boyd
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Check your fan grounds.
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Larry Finch <[1]fresnofinches at aol.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> A A All,
>> A A I've come to the conclusion the Hall Pantera Meriah fans are
>> getting
>> A A tired and are not up to the task of slow traffic cooling.
>> A A I say this because in Summer/Winter I now always see a large
>> jump in
>> A A temp when I get into city traffic versus highway travel. 20-30
>> degrees
>> A A jump. Wasn't always that way.
>> A A I would rather not remount the three-pass Quella/Ron Francis
>> radiator
>> A A for sucker fans, so I'm looking at pushers.
>> A A Felx-a-lite offers model 440 as a pusher. 2500 cfm, S-blades,
>> etc.
>> A A But I noted the online-available PDF installation sheet groups
>> the 440
>> A A pusher and the 420 puller in the same section.
>> A A It instructs the 420 puller to be wired red/red and
>> black/black, fan to
>> A A power source. And to reverse the wiring to red/black and
>> black/red for
>> A A the 440 pusher model. This tells me the fan blades are expected
>> to
>> A A perform whether rotating CW or CCW. But I've always heard
>> blades are
>> A A optimal for one direction only, and show reduced efficiency
>> when
>> A A rotating opposite to the intended function.
>> A A I will try to talk with a Flex-a-lite tech about this on
>> Monday, but in
>> A A the meantime I'm asking for any of your ideas, thoughts and
>> A A suggestions.
>> A A Thanks,
>> A A Larry
>> A A ......and no, I don't know why my emails (at least in the
>> archives) are
>> A A now getting duplicated by the List software.
>>
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>>
>> 1. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
>>
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To paraphrase an old Hewlett-Packard mantra,A aYou cannot fix what you
cannot measure."
Jeff
6559
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
A Mike Short makes a good point A when he mentions that Larry is
assigning A anthropomorphic attributes to parts of his
Pantera.(A A Anthropomorphism is the attribution ofA human
characteristics to machines or animals). If Larry (or anyone else)
A thinks that their automobiles fans ( or any other component ) is not
operating up to specifications they can easily measure the
effectiveness of the system in question. A You can easily obtain a
variety of devices that are capable of measuring the actual airflow,
rpm of the fan blades etc. As an example for measuring CFM ( which can
be useful for measuring air flow for cooling or for A air intake for
the engineA ,A Carburetion,A Fuel injection etc.) A This link A shows a
small sample of some of the devices
.[2]http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&
oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en A This removes the question of
wondering if your car or fans are"tired" A and replaces
theA Anthropomorphic attributes with technically appropriate and
scientifically accurate measurement devices. Although many of us like
to assign a name and or a gender to our favorite "Toys" which I believe
can actually enhance the ownership experience A when it comes to
maintaining peak operating performance it is necessary to rely on
technology and not asking our Cat " If it's a little tired"
Boyd
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Detrich <[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A Check your fan grounds.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Larry Finch
<[1][4]fresnofinches at aol.com>
A A wrote:
A A A AA A All,
A A A AA A I've come to the conclusion the Hall Pantera Meriah
fans are
A A A getting
A A A AA A tired and are not up to the task of slow traffic
cooling.
A A A AA A I say this because in Summer/Winter I now always see a
large
A A A jump in
A A A AA A temp when I get into city traffic versus highway
travel. 20-30
A A A degrees
A A A AA A jump. Wasn't always that way.
A A A AA A I would rather not remount the three-pass Quella/Ron
Francis
A A A radiator
A A A AA A for sucker fans, so I'm looking at pushers.
A A A AA A Felx-a-lite offers model 440 as a pusher. 2500 cfm,
S-blades,
A A A etc.
A A A AA A But I noted the online-available PDF installation
sheet groups
A A A the 440
A A A AA A pusher and the 420 puller in the same section.
A A A AA A It instructs the 420 puller to be wired red/red and
A A A black/black, fan to
A A A AA A power source. And to reverse the wiring to red/black
and
A A A black/red for
A A A AA A the 440 pusher model. This tells me the fan blades are
expected
A A A to
A A A AA A perform whether rotating CW or CCW. But I've always
heard
A A A blades are
A A A AA A optimal for one direction only, and show reduced
efficiency
A A A when
A A A AA A rotating opposite to the intended function.
A A A AA A I will try to talk with a Flex-a-lite tech about this
on
A A A Monday, but in
A A A AA A the meantime I'm asking for any of your ideas,
thoughts and
A A A AA A suggestions.
A A A AA A Thanks,
A A A AA A Larry
A A A AA A ......and no, I don't know why my emails (at least in
the
A A A archives) are
A A A AA A now getting duplicated by the List software.
A A A _______________________________________________
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2. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gmail&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=HVAC+cfm+meter&rls=en
3. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
4. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
7. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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