[DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers for A/F sensor

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Aug 17 22:39:44 EDT 2014


Some useful information in this installation guide;

http://wbo2.com/lsu/lsuinstal.pdf

Julian

> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: doug351c at gmail.com; davel at emspace.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:55:18 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers for	A/F	sensor
> 
> Dear Dave,
> 
> 
>           So to rephrase what you said (which is very interesting), the
> further down the exhaust the better the sensor reads and reads at lower
> rpms.   Therefore, the best point is as far back as possible, i.e. just
> before the muffler?
> 
>          I have read that the Innovate is supposed to be the fastest
> sampling or testing unit.  Does that have any bearing on your recommendation
> for a bung further down the exhaust pipe to obtain better readings?
> 
> 
>                           Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of doug351c
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:17 PM
> To: Dave Londry; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers for A/F
> sensor
> 
> Dave,
> 
> By "outlet" do you mean header collector flange?
> 
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of Dave Londry
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:05 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers for A/F
> sensor
> 
> 
> That is good stuff Chuck and giving all that info first priority,
>   the farther you are from the outlet - the lower the rpm at which you'll
> get stable A/F readings.
> The reversions in our short exhaust systems are really fierce.
> Below about 1700 rpm I get nothing but crap.
> dave
> 
> 
> On 17/08/2014 12:03 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
> >     Dear SOBill, Jerry, Asa and Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >                         Great minds think alike and experience makes the
> >     optimal location so much easier to pinpoint.   Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >                                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >     From: SOBill at aol.com [mailto:SOBill at aol.com]
> >     Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:02 PM
> >     To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com
> >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers for
> >     A/F sensor
> >
> >
> >     Chuck,
> >
> >
> >     The bung should be mounted at the 12 o'clock position so condensation
> >     does get to the sensor on startup.
> >
> >
> >     I welded mine on the exhaust pipe just after the collector because my
> >     engine was in the car and I could easily remove the exhaust pipe to do
> >     the welding.
> >
> >
> >     SOBill
> >
> >
> >     The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
> >     Do the best you can with what your have where you are.
> >     Have fun today!
> >     SOBill
> >
> >
> >     In a message dated 8/17/2014 8:57:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >     [1]cengles at cox.net writes:
> >
> >       Dear Forum,
> >                           I will soon have both engines out of both
> >       Panteras for
> >       work.  It dawned on me that this would be a good time to add a bung
> >       on the
> >       headers for use with and A/F meter sensor.    I have an email sent
> >       to
> >       Innovate for their recommendations, but it is the weekend.    I
> >       assume that
> >       the bung should be welded into the end of the header collector.
> >                           Does anyone have knowledge of the optimal spot
> >       to put
> >       the bung?
> >                                                    Warmest regards, Chuck
> >       Engles
> >          Dear Forum,
> >                              I will soon have both engines out of both
> >       Panteras
> >          for work.  It dawned on me that this would be a good time to add
> >       a bung
> >          on the headers for use with and A/F meter sensor.    I have an
> >       email
> >          sent to Innovate for their recommendations, but it is the
> >       weekend.    I
> >          assume that the bung should be welded into the end of the header
> >          collector.
> >                              Does anyone have knowledge of the optimal
> >       spot to
> >          put the bung?
> >                                                       Warmest regards,
> >       Chuck
> >          Engles
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> >
> > References
> >
> >     1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> >     2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >     3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> >
> >
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   Some useful information in this installation guide;
   http://wbo2.com/lsu/lsuinstal.pdf
   Julian
   > From: cengles at cox.net
   > To: doug351c at gmail.com; davel at emspace.com; detomaso at poca.com
   > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:55:18 -0500
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers
   for A/F sensor
   >
   > Dear Dave,
   >
   >
   > So to rephrase what you said (which is very interesting), the
   > further down the exhaust the better the sensor reads and reads at
   lower
   > rpms. Therefore, the best point is as far back as possible, i.e. just
   > before the muffler?
   >
   > I have read that the Innovate is supposed to be the fastest
   > sampling or testing unit. Does that have any bearing on your
   recommendation
   > for a bung further down the exhaust pipe to obtain better readings?
   >
   >
   > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   doug351c
   > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:17 PM
   > To: Dave Londry; detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers
   for A/F
   > sensor
   >
   > Dave,
   >
   > By "outlet" do you mean header collector flange?
   >
   > Doug Braun
   > blue 73L #5505
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of Dave
   Londry
   > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:05 PM
   > To: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers
   for A/F
   > sensor
   >
   >
   > That is good stuff Chuck and giving all that info first priority,
   > the farther you are from the outlet - the lower the rpm at which
   you'll
   > get stable A/F readings.
   > The reversions in our short exhaust systems are really fierce.
   > Below about 1700 rpm I get nothing but crap.
   > dave
   >
   >
   > On 17/08/2014 12:03 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
   > > Dear SOBill, Jerry, Asa and Mike
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Great minds think alike and experience makes the
   > > optimal location so much easier to pinpoint. Thanks!
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   > >
   > >
   > > From: SOBill at aol.com [mailto:SOBill at aol.com]
   > > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:02 PM
   > > To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Bung placement on headers
   for
   > > A/F sensor
   > >
   > >
   > > Chuck,
   > >
   > >
   > > The bung should be mounted at the 12 o'clock position so
   condensation
   > > does get to the sensor on startup.
   > >
   > >
   > > I welded mine on the exhaust pipe just after the collector because
   my
   > > engine was in the car and I could easily remove the exhaust pipe to
   do
   > > the welding.
   > >
   > >
   > > SOBill
   > >
   > >
   > > The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
   > > Do the best you can with what your have where you are.
   > > Have fun today!
   > > SOBill
   > >
   > >
   > > In a message dated 8/17/2014 8:57:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
   > > [1]cengles at cox.net writes:
   > >
   > > Dear Forum,
   > > I will soon have both engines out of both
   > > Panteras for
   > > work. It dawned on me that this would be a good time to add a bung
   > > on the
   > > headers for use with and A/F meter sensor. I have an email sent
   > > to
   > > Innovate for their recommendations, but it is the weekend. I
   > > assume that
   > > the bung should be welded into the end of the header collector.
   > > Does anyone have knowledge of the optimal spot
   > > to put
   > > the bung?
   > > Warmest regards, Chuck
   > > Engles
   > > Dear Forum,
   > > I will soon have both engines out of both
   > > Panteras
   > > for work. It dawned on me that this would be a good time to add
   > > a bung
   > > on the headers for use with and A/F meter sensor. I have an
   > > email
   > > sent to Innovate for their recommendations, but it is the
   > > weekend. I
   > > assume that the bung should be welded into the end of the header
   > > collector.
   > > Does anyone have knowledge of the optimal
   > > spot to
   > > put the bung?
   > > Warmest regards,
   > > Chuck
   > > Engles
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   > >
   > > References
   > >
   > > 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
   > > 2. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 3. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >
   > >
   > >
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