[DeTomaso] Starter Replacement Options

Boyd Casey boyd411 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 16:27:27 EDT 2014 

Larry,
The mystery instructions and wiring kit  basically call for just that. If I
remember correctly you move the hot lead from one side of the terminal on
the fire wall solenoid to the opposite side of the solenoid and you use the
supplied wire to run from the side of the solenoid you just mover the hot
lead from and you attach the supplied jumper from the now vacant firewall
solenoid terminal to the plug on the starter solenoid. It couldn't be
simpler.  ( unless you are actually doing it!)
Boyd


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Forest,
> I checked my "sent mail" folder and  the Phantom A's were not present. It
> must be A  , A bug! Either that or it was relayed thru  Canada A?
> Boyd
>
> This is the draft of the e-mail copied and pasted. Since I an not a auto
> mechanic nor an expert in automotive electronics I felt it as a good idea
> to follow the instructions provided by the experts who designed the DB
> starters installation instructions. They work, they work well and they work
> better the the OEM parts. The new starter and directions had worked so
> well , that they even resolved my "Hot start" problem that had plagued me
> for several years!
>   I saw no reason  remove the firewall solenoid. If the car were being
> judged in a contest that  gave and subtracted pouts for original process,
> the missing fire wall solenoid would be an issue .   The DB starter with
> the fire wall mounted solenoid  and everything wired  according to DB's
> instructions started my  engine (that has roller rocker heads and a
> slightly hotter cam then  the stock one ) turns over the engine with more
> torque and speed then when the old  when the engine is hot then  when my
> old original starter did when the engine was cold! So as the old sign in my
> old Harley Mechanics shop used to say  "If it ain't broken , don't fix it
> as well as  "if it's broken , Fuck it!" So some where in there  there is
> probably valuable advice! But my take away is that DB electrical makes a
> goof starter that  is a great price and if you follow THEIR INSTRUCTIONS ,
> it works , it works well and IMHO it works better then the original .  You
> can spend more money and  you can buy a fancier starter but I don't think
> you can get a better deal for the money and unless the car is up on aloft
> you can't see any of the polished or chrome parts that you can get for the
> extra money. So this brings ti mind an other adage  " Keep it simple Stupid"
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Then why not just move the starter cable over to the hot side? But that is
>> not what they call for...I don’t see why it is needed either????
>>
>> Larry - (needs splaynin) - Cleveland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>> shawkins777 at comcast.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:52 PM
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Replacement Options
>>
>>
>>
>> Because it's already like that so why change the wiring?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net>
>> To: "PANTERA-MikeDrew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:16:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Replacement Options
>>
>> Interesting thought to use the stock solenoid to trigger the one on the
>> starter. Why would you do that and introduce another point of failure?
>>
>> Rob (scratching a bald spot into the top of my head) DuMoulin
>>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> rob at dumoulins.net
>> www.kbsi.co
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > In a message dated 4/29/14 14 06 25, demongusta at me.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > As time permits, could you please get me that part number? I just
>> emailed
>> > "db electrical" and told them I had a 1973 Pantera - just wondering what
>> > there response will be.
>> >
>> > >>>I posted it here the other day:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-11368-new-ford-mini-pmgr-starter-302-351-manua
>> l-transmissions-3223-sfd0012.aspx<http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-11368-new-ford-mini-pmgr-starter-302-351-manual-transmissions-3223-sfd0012.aspx>
>> >
>> >
>> > >Are you keeping the remote solenoid? Seems to me that the solenoid
>> would
>> > be more convenient located ON the starter - unless I am missing
>> something
>> -
>> > which is normal.
>> >
>> > >>>Bill Taylor gives an excellent explanation of how the stock solenoid
>> is
>>
>> > used to trigger the solenoid on the body of the starter.  The included
>> > wiring kit has a diagram that does this as well.
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>>
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   Larry, A
   The mystery instructions and wiring kit A basically call for just that.
   If I remember correctly you move the hot lead from one side of the
   terminal on the fire wall solenoid to the opposite side of the solenoid
   and you use the supplied wire to run from the side of the solenoid you
   just mover the hot lead from and you attach the supplied jumper from
   the now vacant firewall solenoid terminal to the plug on the starter
   solenoid. It couldn't be simpler. A ( unless you are actually doing
   it!)
   Boyd

   On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Dear Forest,A
   I checked my "sent mail" folder and A the Phantom A's were not present.
   It must be A A , A bug! Either that or it was relayed thru A Canada A?
   Boyd
   This is the draft of the e-mail copied and pasted.A Since I an not a
   auto mechanic nor an expert in automotive electronics I felt it as a
   good idea to follow the instructions provided by the experts who
   designed the DB starters installation instructions. They work, they
   work well and they work better the theA OEMA parts. The new starter and
   directions had worked so well , that they even resolved my "Hot start"
   problem that had plagued me for several years!
   A  I saw no reason A remove the firewall solenoid. If the car were
   being judged in a contest that A gave and subtracted pouts for original
   process, the missing fire wall solenoid would be an issue . A  The DB
   starter with the fire wall mounted solenoid A and everything wired
   A according to DB's instructions started my A engine (that has roller
   rocker heads and a slightly hotter cam then A the stock one ) turns
   over the engine with more torque and speed then when the old A when the
   engine is hot then A when my old original starter did when the engine
   was cold! So as the old sign in my old Harley Mechanics shop used to
   say A "If it ain't broken , don't fix it as well as A "if it's broken ,
   Fuck it!" So some where in there A there is probably valuable advice!
   But my take away is that DB electrical makes a goof starter that A is a
   great price and if you follow THEIR INSTRUCTIONS , it works , it works
   well and IMHO it works better then the original . A You can spend more
   money and A you can buy a fancier starter but I don't think you can get
   a better deal for the money and unless the car is up on aloft you can't
   see any of the polished or chrome parts that you can get for the extra
   money. So this brings ti mind an other adage A " Keep it simple Stupid"

   On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
   <[2]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:

     Then why not just move the starter cable over to the hot side? But
     that is
     not what they call for...I donat see why it is needed either????
     Larry - (needs splaynin) - Cleveland

   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   [4]shawkins777 at comcast.net
   Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:52 PM
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Replacement Options

   Because it's already like that so why change the wiring?
   Steve

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Rob Dumoulin" <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>
   To: "PANTERA-MikeDrew" <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:16:18 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Replacement Options
   Interesting thought to use the stock solenoid to trigger the one on the
   starter. Why would you do that and introduce another point of failure?
   Rob (scratching a bald spot into the top of my head) DuMoulin
   Rob DuMoulin
   [8]904.476.8744
   [9]rob at dumoulins.net
   [10]www.kbsi.co
   [11]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
   On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, <[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >
   > In a message dated 4/29/14 14 06 25, [13]demongusta at me.com writes:
   >
   >
   > As time permits, could you please get me that part number? I just
   emailed
   > "db electrical" and told them I had a 1973 Pantera - just wondering
   what
   > there response will be.
   >
   > >>>I posted it here the other day:
   >
   >
   >
   [14]http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-11368-new-ford-mini-pmgr-starter-302-
   351-manua
   l-transmissions-3223-sfd0012.aspx
   >
   >
   > >Are you keeping the remote solenoid? Seems to me that the solenoid
   would
   > be more convenient located ON the starter - unless I am missing
   something
   -
   > which is normal.
   >
   > >>>Bill Taylor gives an excellent explanation of how the stock
   solenoid is
   > used to trigger the solenoid on the body of the starter. A The
   included
   > wiring kit has a diagram that does this as well.
   >
   > Cheers!
   >
   > Mike
   >
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References

   1. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
   2. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
   3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   4. mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net
   5. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
   6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   8. tel:904.476.8744
   9. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  10. http://www.kbsi.co/
  11. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
  12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  13. mailto:demongusta at me.com
  14. http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-11368-new-ford-mini-pmgr-starter-302-351-manual-transmissions-3223-sfd0012.aspx
  15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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