[DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
Charles Engles
cengles at cox.net
Thu Apr 17 19:16:26 EDT 2014
Dear Al,
ROTFL! Thanks for helping clear up the mystery of the welded
nuts. It appears that Lorenzo over dosed on an Italian wine and left
Antonio to mistakenly weld the clutch master cylinder nuts... Good
detective work.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: Al Gisby [mailto:algisby at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:11 PM
To: cengles at cox.net; larry at ohiotimecorp.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
Italians only drink Italian wine!! - french wine [if you can find it in
Italy] would be used to wash the dogs a**e.
Ciao for now
Al
#1925
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:34:27 +0000
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
>
> Dear Irrepressible Larry,
>
>
>
> Ah! I should have known that your encyclopedic
> knowledge of the Tuscan automotive lifestyle would shine some light on
> the mystery of the "Welded Nuts". As always, your input is memorable.
> Perhaps the most difficult question about that fateful day is whether
> Lorenzo was hungover from an Italian or French red wine.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
>
> > Chuck,
> >
> > I think that was the day Lorenzo did not show up for work at the
> > factory. He
> > was a well know nut holder of the day.
> > Anthony just welded the nuts on that day. He then had one days welding
> > experience and was promoted to chief welder for the plant.
> >
> > And that's the rest of the story.
> >
> > Larry (holdem or weldem) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> > cengles at cox.net
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:35 AM
> > To: asajay at asajay.com
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> >
> >
> > Dear Asa,
> >
> >
> > Hmmm. You have an L model Pantera. What is the
> > VIN? I wonder if that is an Italian assembly line spontaneous
> > variation, a standard feature of the late model Pantera L or the
> > aftermath of a previous job. My Panteras are 7000 series VINs and I
> > hope that they have the welding.
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > PS: how is the Innovate field testing going?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> >
> >> I believe on mine, when I went to install the wrench under the dash I
> >> found the nuts welded. One man job from the outside.
> >>
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> & Shelley Marie
> >> Spokane, WA
> >> ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/16/2014 7:32 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
> >>> Dear Boyd,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I do understand that it is a very unpleasant job. I
> >>> do have a Pantera reference from Scandanavia, IIRC, which shows a
> >>> modification that uses a hole saw to cut an access hole in the
> >>> passenger side of the box about three inches in diameter. From what
> >>> I understand, it permits sight and access to the dreaded
> >>> inaccessible dark recess behind the dash. I have not done this job
> >>> nor have I done this mod, but from what I think I know, it could
> >>> make the task a darn sight easier. The original author reported
> >>> that once the hole is made and used and the job is done, then it can
> >>> be plugged, tastefully, with a common commercially available plastic
> >>> plug. Perhaps someone has first hand experience with this trick?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Clutch master cylinder rookie, Chuck Engles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd
> >>> Casey
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:18 PM
> >>> To: mike Drew
> >>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Bob Benson
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> >>>
> >>> Changing a slave is no big deal , but I don't know how I would
> >>> change a clutch master on the side of the road, it's a two person
> >>> job ( one to hold a wrench under the dash and one the install the
> >>> master) and even then unless you have a dwarf with you getting
> >>> under the dash and attaching the push rod and getting access to the
> >>> bolts is a nightmare. If there is some "Trick" to installing the
> >>> clutch master I wish someone would share it with me!
> >>> Boyd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:49 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In a message dated 4/16/14 15 49 50, rcbsons1 at aol.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> New Pantera protocol is to carry a spare
> >>>> Clutch master and slave.. that is what I am
> >>>> doing now.. I have one of Rich's square ones
> >>>> because original makes no difference to me...
> >>>> need to remember to pack some brake fluid also
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> If, as he says, they need to be modified to fit, better modify
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>> now rather than when you're stuck on the side of the road! :>)
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
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Dear Al,
ROTFL! Thanks for helping clear up the mystery of the
welded nuts. It appears that Lorenzo over dosed on an Italian wine
and left Antonio to mistakenly weld the clutch master cylinder
nuts....... Good detective work.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: Al Gisby [mailto:algisby at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:11 PM
To: cengles at cox.net; larry at ohiotimecorp.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
Italians only drink Italian wine!! - french wine [if you can find it in
Italy] would be used to wash the dogs a**e.
Ciao for now
Al
#1925
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:34:27 +0000
> From: [1]cengles at cox.net
> To: [2]larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> CC: [3]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
>
> Dear Irrepressible Larry,
>
>
>
> Ah! I should have known that your encyclopedic
> knowledge of the Tuscan automotive lifestyle would shine some light
on
> the mystery of the "Welded Nuts". As always, your input is memorable.
> Perhaps the most difficult question about that fateful day is whether
> Lorenzo was hungover from an Italian or French red wine.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
>
> > Chuck,
> >
> > I think that was the day Lorenzo did not show up for work at the
> > factory. He
> > was a well know nut holder of the day.
> > Anthony just welded the nuts on that day. He then had one days
welding
> > experience and was promoted to chief welder for the plant.
> >
> > And that's the rest of the story.
> >
> > Larry (holdem or weldem) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> > [5]cengles at cox.net
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:35 AM
> > To: [6]asajay at asajay.com
> > Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> >
> >
> > Dear Asa,
> >
> >
> > Hmmm. You have an L model Pantera. What is the
> > VIN? I wonder if that is an Italian assembly line spontaneous
> > variation, a standard feature of the late model Pantera L or the
> > aftermath of a previous job. My Panteras are 7000 series VINs and I
> > hope that they have the welding.
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > PS: how is the Innovate field testing going?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> >
> >> I believe on mine, when I went to install the wrench under the
dash I
> >> found the nuts welded. One man job from the outside.
> >>
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> & Shelley Marie
> >> Spokane, WA
> >> ******************************
[8]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> [9]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> [10]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/16/2014 7:32 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
> >>> Dear Boyd,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I do understand that it is a very unpleasant job. I
> >>> do have a Pantera reference from Scandanavia, IIRC, which shows a
> >>> modification that uses a hole saw to cut an access hole in the
> >>> passenger side of the box about three inches in diameter. From
what
> >>> I understand, it permits sight and access to the dreaded
> >>> inaccessible dark recess behind the dash. I have not done this
job
> >>> nor have I done this mod, but from what I think I know, it could
> >>> make the task a darn sight easier. The original author reported
> >>> that once the hole is made and used and the job is done, then it
can
> >>> be plugged, tastefully, with a common commercially available
plastic
> >>> plug. Perhaps someone has first hand experience with this trick?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Clutch master cylinder rookie, Chuck Engles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of Boyd
> >>> Casey
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:18 PM
> >>> To: mike Drew
> >>> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com; Bob Benson
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> >>>
> >>> Changing a slave is no big deal , but I don't know how I would
> >>> change a clutch master on the side of the road, it's a two person
> >>> job ( one to hold a wrench under the dash and one the install the
> >>> master) and even then unless you have a dwarf with you getting
> >>> under the dash and attaching the push rod and getting access to
the
> >>> bolts is a nightmare. If there is some "Trick" to installing the
> >>> clutch master I wish someone would share it with me!
> >>> Boyd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:49 PM, <[13]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In a message dated 4/16/14 15 49 50, [14]rcbsons1 at aol.com
writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> New Pantera protocol is to carry a spare
> >>>> Clutch master and slave.. that is what I am
> >>>> doing now.. I have one of Rich's square ones
> >>>> because original makes no difference to me...
> >>>> need to remember to pack some brake fluid also
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> If, as he says, they need to be modified to fit, better
modify
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>> now rather than when you're stuck on the side of the road! :>)
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
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References
1. mailto:cengles at cox.net
2. mailto:larry at ohiotimecorp.com
3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
5. mailto:cengles at cox.net
6. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
8. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
9. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
10. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
11. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
13. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
14. mailto:rcbsons1 at aol.com
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
19. http://www.avg.com/
20. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
21. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
22. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
23. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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