[DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS

Al Gisby algisby at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 17 15:11:04 EDT 2014


Italians only drink Italian wine!! - french wine [if you can find it in Italy] would be used to wash the dogs a**e.Ciao for nowAl#1925
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:34:27 +0000
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> 
> Dear Irrepressible Larry,
> 
> 
> 
>                     Ah!  I should have known that your encyclopedic 
> knowledge of the Tuscan automotive lifestyle would shine some light on 
> the mystery of the "Welded Nuts".   As always, your input is memorable. 
> Perhaps the most difficult question about that fateful day is whether 
> Lorenzo was hungover from an Italian or French red wine.
> 
>                    Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
>                                         Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
> 
> > Chuck,
> >
> > I think that was the day Lorenzo did not show up for work at the 
> > factory. He
> > was a well know nut holder of the day.
> > Anthony just welded the nuts on that day. He then had one days welding
> > experience and was promoted to chief welder for the plant.
> >
> > And that's the rest of the story.
> >
> > Larry (holdem or weldem) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> > cengles at cox.net
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:35 AM
> > To: asajay at asajay.com
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> >
> >
> >   Dear Asa,
> >
> >
> >                   Hmmm.   You have an L model Pantera.  What is the 
> > VIN? I wonder if that is an Italian assembly line spontaneous 
> > variation, a standard feature of the late model Pantera L or the 
> > aftermath of a previous job.   My Panteras are 7000 series VINs and I 
> > hope that they have the welding.
> >
> >
> >                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > PS: how is the Innovate field testing going?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> >
> >> I believe on mine, when I went to install the wrench under the dash I
> >> found the nuts welded.  One man job from the outside.
> >>
> >> Asa  Jay
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> & Shelley Marie
> >> Spokane, WA
> >> ******************************     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/16/2014 7:32 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
> >>> Dear Boyd,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>              I do understand that it is a very unpleasant job.   I 
> >>> do have a Pantera reference from Scandanavia, IIRC, which shows a 
> >>> modification that uses a hole saw to cut an access hole in the 
> >>> passenger side of the box about three inches in diameter.  From what 
> >>> I understand, it permits sight and access to the dreaded 
> >>> inaccessible dark recess behind the dash.   I have not done this job 
> >>> nor have I done this mod, but from what I think I know, it could 
> >>> make the task a darn sight easier.   The original author reported 
> >>> that once the hole is made and used and the job is done, then it can 
> >>> be plugged, tastefully, with a common commercially available plastic 
> >>> plug. Perhaps someone has first hand experience with this trick?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>                        Clutch master cylinder rookie,  Chuck Engles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Boyd 
> >>> Casey
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:18 PM
> >>> To: mike Drew
> >>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Bob Benson
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
> >>>
> >>> Changing a slave is no big deal , but I don't know how I would 
> >>> change a clutch master on the side of the road, it's a two person 
> >>> job ( one to hold a wrench under the dash and one the install the 
> >>> master) and even then unless you have  a dwarf with you getting 
> >>> under the dash and attaching the push rod and getting access to the 
> >>> bolts is a nightmare. If there is some "Trick" to installing the 
> >>> clutch master I wish someone would share it with me!
> >>> Boyd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:49 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    In a message dated 4/16/14 15 49 50, rcbsons1 at aol.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>      New Pantera protocol is to carry a spare
> >>>>      Clutch master and slave.. that is what I am
> >>>>      doing now..  I have one of Rich's square ones
> >>>>      because original makes no difference to me...
> >>>>      need to remember to pack some brake fluid also
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> If, as he says, they need to be modified to fit, better modify 
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>    now rather than when you're stuck on the side of the road! :>)
> >>>>    Mike
> >>>>
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   Italians only drink Italian wine!! - french wine [if you can find it in
   Italy] would be used to wash the dogs a**e.
   Ciao for now
   Al
   #1925
   > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:34:27 +0000
   > From: cengles at cox.net
   > To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
   >
   > Dear Irrepressible Larry,
   >
   >
   >
   > Ah! I should have known that your encyclopedic
   > knowledge of the Tuscan automotive lifestyle would shine some light
   on
   > the mystery of the "Welded Nuts". As always, your input is memorable.
   > Perhaps the most difficult question about that fateful day is whether
   > Lorenzo was hungover from an Italian or French red wine.
   >
   > Thanks!
   >
   >
   >
   > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
   >
   > > Chuck,
   > >
   > > I think that was the day Lorenzo did not show up for work at the
   > > factory. He
   > > was a well know nut holder of the day.
   > > Anthony just welded the nuts on that day. He then had one days
   welding
   > > experience and was promoted to chief welder for the plant.
   > >
   > > And that's the rest of the story.
   > >
   > > Larry (holdem or weldem) - Cleveland
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   > > cengles at cox.net
   > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:35 AM
   > > To: asajay at asajay.com
   > > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
   > >
   > >
   > > Dear Asa,
   > >
   > >
   > > Hmmm. You have an L model Pantera. What is the
   > > VIN? I wonder if that is an Italian assembly line spontaneous
   > > variation, a standard feature of the late model Pantera L or the
   > > aftermath of a previous job. My Panteras are 7000 series VINs and I
   > > hope that they have the welding.
   > >
   > >
   > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   > >
   > >
   > > PS: how is the Innovate field testing going?
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
   > >
   > >> I believe on mine, when I went to install the wrench under the
   dash I
   > >> found the nuts welded. One man job from the outside.
   > >>
   > >> Asa Jay
   > >>
   > >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   > >> & Shelley Marie
   > >> Spokane, WA
   > >> ****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com
   > >> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
   > >> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> On 4/16/2014 7:32 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
   > >>> Dear Boyd,
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> I do understand that it is a very unpleasant job. I
   > >>> do have a Pantera reference from Scandanavia, IIRC, which shows a
   > >>> modification that uses a hole saw to cut an access hole in the
   > >>> passenger side of the box about three inches in diameter. From
   what
   > >>> I understand, it permits sight and access to the dreaded
   > >>> inaccessible dark recess behind the dash. I have not done this
   job
   > >>> nor have I done this mod, but from what I think I know, it could
   > >>> make the task a darn sight easier. The original author reported
   > >>> that once the hole is made and used and the job is done, then it
   can
   > >>> be plugged, tastefully, with a common commercially available
   plastic
   > >>> plug. Perhaps someone has first hand experience with this trick?
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> Clutch master cylinder rookie, Chuck Engles
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> -----Original Message-----
   > >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Boyd
   > >>> Casey
   > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:18 PM
   > >>> To: mike Drew
   > >>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Bob Benson
   > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
   > >>>
   > >>> Changing a slave is no big deal , but I don't know how I would
   > >>> change a clutch master on the side of the road, it's a two person
   > >>> job ( one to hold a wrench under the dash and one the install the
   > >>> master) and even then unless you have a dwarf with you getting
   > >>> under the dash and attaching the push rod and getting access to
   the
   > >>> bolts is a nightmare. If there is some "Trick" to installing the
   > >>> clutch master I wish someone would share it with me!
   > >>> Boyd
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:49 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   > >>>
   > >>>> In a message dated 4/16/14 15 49 50, rcbsons1 at aol.com writes:
   > >>>>
   > >>>> New Pantera protocol is to carry a spare
   > >>>> Clutch master and slave.. that is what I am
   > >>>> doing now.. I have one of Rich's square ones
   > >>>> because original makes no difference to me...
   > >>>> need to remember to pack some brake fluid also
   > >>>>
   > >>>>>>> If, as he says, they need to be modified to fit, better
   modify
   > >>>>>>> it
   > >>>> now rather than when you're stuck on the side of the road! :>)
   > >>>> Mike
   > >>>>
   > >>>> _______________________________________________
   > >>>>
   > >>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >>>>
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   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>
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