[DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS

Thu Apr 17 09:55:14 EDT 2014

I would not attempt a clutch master swap on the road.  It is generally easy enough to drive without a clutch.

I once lost the clutch in my 68 mustang.  I drove 200 miles without it.  I think the synchros are better in a top loader, but I would hope I could shift a ZF clutch less.

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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> My Pantera is THPNNP05533.  It's been a few years since I was under the
> dash, but a I recall it looked like a home job of welding.  But then
> again, factory welding might look the same.  However; I would think if
> it had been a factory job, more folks would have noticed in their cars.
> 
> I've been busy of late and was hoping to locate the O2 sensor this
> weekend, pull the exhaust on that side and have my friend drill for the
> bung and weld in the bung and then I could begin testing.  I also picked
> up some tools that might help me look at ignition pulses; I have to get
> in the garage and test that too.
> 
> This weekend was supposed to be free enough to begin all that but I
> think things are already piling in that are non-car related.  <sigh>
> 
> Asa  Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
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> 
>> On 4/17/2014 5:35 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>> Dear Asa,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                 Hmmm.   You have an L model Pantera.  What is the
>> VIN?   I wonder if that is an Italian assembly line spontaneous
>> variation, a standard feature of the late model Pantera L or the
>> aftermath of a previous job.   My Panteras are 7000 series VINs and I
>> hope that they have the welding.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                   Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> PS: how is the Innovate field testing going?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe on mine, when I went to install the wrench under the dash I
>>> found the nuts welded.  One man job from the outside.
>>> 
>>> Asa  Jay
>>> 
>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>> & Shelley Marie
>>> Spokane, WA
>>> ******************************    
>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 4/16/2014 7:32 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
>>>> Dear Boyd,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>             I do understand that it is a very unpleasant job.   I
>> do have a Pantera reference from Scandanavia, IIRC, which shows a
>> modification that uses a hole saw to cut an access hole in the
>> passenger side of the box about three inches in diameter.  From what I
>> understand, it permits sight and access to the dreaded inaccessible
>> dark recess behind the dash.   I have not done this job nor have I
>> done this mod, but from what I think I know, it could make the task a
>> darn sight easier.   The original author reported that once the hole
>> is made and used and the job is done, then it can be plugged,
>> tastefully, with a common commercially available plastic plug.  
>> Perhaps someone has first hand experience with this trick?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                       Clutch master cylinder rookie,  Chuck Engles
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>> Boyd Casey
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:18 PM
>>>> To: mike Drew
>>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Bob Benson
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CLUTCH MASTERS
>>>> 
>>>> Changing a slave is no big deal , but I don't know how I would
>> change a clutch master on the side of the road, it's a two person job
>> ( one to hold a wrench under the dash and one the install the master)
>> and even then unless you have  a dwarf with you getting under the dash
>> and attaching the push rod and getting access to the bolts is a
>> nightmare. If there is some "Trick" to installing the clutch master I
>> wish someone would share it with me!
>>>> Boyd
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:49 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   In a message dated 4/16/14 15 49 50, rcbsons1 at aol.com writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>     New Pantera protocol is to carry a spare
>>>>>     Clutch master and slave.. that is what I am
>>>>>     doing now..  I have one of Rich's square ones
>>>>>     because original makes no difference to me...
>>>>>     need to remember to pack some brake fluid also
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If, as he says, they need to be modified to fit, better
>> modify it
>>>>>   now rather than when you're stuck on the side of the road! :>)
>>>>>   Mike
>>>>> 
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