[DeTomaso] ZF gear oil--another question
Christopher Kimball
chrisvkimball at msn.com
Sun Apr 13 02:11:05 EDT 2014
Thank you, all!
I guess it's time to change the gear oil...!
Chris
From: michael at michaelshortt.com
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:43:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil--another question
To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
You going to need the biggest part of 4 bottles anyway, I'd just use all new stuff, it's not that expensive. I think it would be fine, just add the balance of the next 1/2 used bottle and maybe next time, you can get by with buying 3.
Michael
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
Ok. I have a half a bottle of the right kind of oil left from when I added it last time. Will that work, or is that kind of oil similar to brake fluid, in that once it is opened it doesn't last?
Thanks,
Chris
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Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil--another question
I would change it every few years regardless of mileage, certainly after 25K
Michael Shortt
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
So with all this talk about ZF gear oil, let me ask a questions:
I have put about 25,000 miles on my ZF--the vast majority freeway miles
(to Fun Rallies in Phoenix, Reno, etc.)--following safety-wiring and
inspection. Am I OK in terms of gear oil, or is it time to change it?
Thanks,
Chris
From: thomas at hax.se
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 00:33:08 +0200
To: pantdino at aol.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil
> 12 apr 2014 kl. 19:12 skrev Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>:
>
> Thomas,
>
> "And there is no "yellow metal" in our ZF:s, right?"
>
> I think that is not correct. "Yellow metal" refers to brass, which is what sy
nchros are made of or at least what they were made of back in the day.
I believe the synchros are all steel in the ZF.
>
> I read somewhere that GL5 oils coat the metal better than GL4s, but the proble
m is that the coating is so adherent that when it comes off it can tear off a fe
w molecules of the metal. Over time this can result in gear wear.
>
> My Abarth guru recommends Red Line MT-90 for my Fiat transaxle. It is a 75W90
GL4 oil that is recommended for gearboxes and FRONT-WHEEL DRIVE transaxles but
not rear wheel drive diffs.
>
> Unfortunately I don't know enough about transaxles to know why GL4 oil is best
for a Fiat transaxle but wouldn't be good for a ZF or Ferrari unit. Or maybe i
t would be??
>
> Jim Oddie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil
>
> Pantdino skrev 2014-04-12 08:14:
> > I think Mike misspoke / miswrote
> >
> >
> >
> > Most gear oil is GL5 and it is GL4 that is hard to find
> >
> >
> >
> > But the best oil for the ZF is Red Line 75W90NS--- the NS signifying
> > "not so slippery" I presume.
> >
> > ANY oil that says it is OK to use in a limited slip diff will be TOO
> > slippery for proper synchro function and will predispose to early
> > synchro wear.
> >
> >
> >
> > GL4 oil is better for "yellow metal" gears but this is a fairly minor
> > consideration in comparison to better lubrication for the diff portion
> > of the ZF provided by the GL5 Red Line 75W90NS
>
> And there is no "yellow metal" in our ZF:s, right? So GL5 would be
> appropriate, just as the owners manual says.
>
> That said, I have always used Shell Getriebeoel, which is a fully
> synthetic GL4, but will now switch to some GL5. Might even try this RL
> oil. :)
>
> Thomas
>
> >
> >
> >
> > At least this was the conclusion reached by the ferrarichat group for
> > use in "brand F" transaxles.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Oddie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> > To: MikeLDrew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 9:03 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil
> > Mike,
> >
> > I thought GL-4 was the recommended oil, per Lloyd's website "FAQ" section.
> Did
> > I miss something?
> >
> > Corey
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:41 PM, [1]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 4/11/14 12 32 13, [2]cwhamm at frontier.com writes:
> >>
> >> Also what is the best gear oil for
> >> my ZF transaxle?
> >>
> >>>>> This is a very important question. I think there is a tendancy
> >> among many people to just grab any old gear oil and throw it in there,
> >> but the nature of a transaxle demands that one pays very close
> >> attention to the manufacturer's recommendations. All gear oils are NOT
> >> created equal!
> >> In this case, the first thing to do is RTFM.
> >> The manual specifically calls for SAE 80, AP GL5
> >> (SAE 90 in Europe).
> >> 7 1/2 pints of the stuff.
> >> While it is very easy to find SAE 80-90 gear oil, it is surprisingly
> >> difficult to find *GL5* gear oil, and that's the important part. GL5
> >> oil has specific characteristics designed to work with the types of
> >> synchros that our gearboxes have, which are different from most other
> >> gearboxes, and definitely different from a typical differential/rear
> >> axle.
> >> If you go to most auto parts stores, there will be lots of gear oil on
> >> the shelf but none of it will be GL5. The only place I have reliably
> >> found GL5 is NAPA auto parts; it is made by Sta-Lube/CRC.
> >> Here is the exact link to what you should buy:
> >> [3][1]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL2473
> >> It is normally sold in pints or gallons; since you need 7.5 pints and
> >> there are 8 pints in a gallon, obviously it is to your advantage to buy
> >> a gallon jug. My local NAPA store used to carry them, but I just had
> >> to order a jug a couple of weeks ago as they only have pints now.
> >> While you're at it, you might as well buy a gear oil pump, also by
> >> Sta-Lube:
> >> [4][2]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL4344
> >> Harbor Freight has a better picture of it:
> >> [5][3]http://www.harborfreight.com/sta-lube-gear-fluid-oil-pump-40714.ht
ml
> >> Using this pump has transformed my life. Normally filling a ZF gearbox
> >> is a painful experience involving a lot of spilled gear oil and
> >> profanity. This turns it into a breeze. Just put the end of the hose
> >> in the side of the gearbox (where it's cleverly retained), and start
> >> pumping until you feel silly. When oil starts drooling out the side,
> >> you're done. Let it sit for a few minutes, give a few more pumps just
> >> to be sure, then you're really done.
> >> Mike (going to change my gearbox oil tomorrow as a matter of fact....)
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> > 2. mailto:cwhamm at frontier.com
> > 3. [6]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL2473
> > 4. [7]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL4344
> > 5. [8]http://www.harborfreight.com/sta-lube-gear-fluid-oil-pump-40714.ht
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Thank you, all!
I guess it's time to change the gear oil...!
Chris
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From: michael at michaelshortt.com
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:43:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil--another question
To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
You going to need the biggest part of 4 bottles anyway, I'd just use
all new stuff, it's not that expensive.
I think it would be fine, just add the balance of the next 1/2 used
bottle and maybe next time, you can get by with buying 3.
Michael
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Christopher Kimball
<[1]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
Ok. I have a half a bottle of the right kind of oil left from when I
added it last time. Will that work, or is that kind of oil similar to
brake fluid, in that once it is opened it doesn't last?
Thanks,
Chris
Sent from my Windows Phone
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From: [2]michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: 4/12/2014 4:13 PM
To: [3]Christopher Kimball
Cc: [4]thomas; [5]Pantdino; [6]Pantera list serve
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil--another question
I would change it every few years regardless of mileage, certainly
after 25K
Michael Shortt
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Christopher Kimball
<[7]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
So with all this talk about ZF gear oil, let me ask a questions:
I have put about 25,000 miles on my ZF--the vast majority freeway
miles
(to Fun Rallies in Phoenix, Reno, etc.)--following safety-wiring
and
inspection. Am I OK in terms of gear oil, or is it time to
change it?
Thanks,
Chris
From: [8]thomas at hax.se
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 00:33:08 +0200
To: [9]pantdino at aol.com
CC: [10]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil
> 12 apr 2014 kl. 19:12 skrev Pantdino <[11]pantdino at aol.com>:
>
> Thomas,
>
> "And there is no "yellow metal" in our ZF:s, right?"
>
> I think that is not correct. "Yellow metal" refers to brass,
which is what sy
nchros are made of or at least what they were made of back in the
day.
I believe the synchros are all steel in the ZF.
>
> I read somewhere that GL5 oils coat the metal better than GL4s,
but the proble
m is that the coating is so adherent that when it comes off it can
tear off a fe
w molecules of the metal. Over time this can result in gear wear.
>
> My Abarth guru recommends Red Line MT-90 for my Fiat transaxle.
It is a 75W90
GL4 oil that is recommended for gearboxes and FRONT-WHEEL DRIVE
transaxles but
not rear wheel drive diffs.
>
> Unfortunately I don't know enough about transaxles to know why GL4
oil is best
for a Fiat transaxle but wouldn't be good for a ZF or Ferrari unit.
Or maybe i
t would be??
>
> Jim Oddie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Tornblom <[12]thomas at hax.se>
> To: detomaso <[13]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil
>
> Pantdino skrev 2014-04-12 08:14:
> > I think Mike misspoke / miswrote
> >
> >
> >
> > Most gear oil is GL5 and it is GL4 that is hard to find
> >
> >
> >
> > But the best oil for the ZF is Red Line 75W90NS--- the NS
signifying
> > "not so slippery" I presume.
> >
> > ANY oil that says it is OK to use in a limited slip diff
will be TOO
> > slippery for proper synchro function and will predispose to
early
> > synchro wear.
> >
> >
> >
> > GL4 oil is better for "yellow metal" gears but this is a
fairly minor
> > consideration in comparison to better lubrication for the
diff portion
> > of the ZF provided by the GL5 Red Line 75W90NS
>
> And there is no "yellow metal" in our ZF:s, right? So GL5 would be
> appropriate, just as the owners manual says.
>
> That said, I have always used Shell Getriebeoel, which is a fully
> synthetic GL4, but will now switch to some GL5. Might even try
this RL
> oil. :)
>
> Thomas
>
> >
> >
> >
> > At least this was the conclusion reached by the ferrarichat
group for
> > use in "brand F" transaxles.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Oddie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Corey Price <[14]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> > To: MikeLDrew <[15]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > Cc: De Tomaso List <[16]detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 9:03 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF gear oil
> > Mike,
> >
> > I thought GL-4 was the recommended oil, per Lloyd's website
"FAQ" section.
> Did
> > I miss something?
> >
> > Corey
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:41 PM, [1][17]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 4/11/14 12 32 13,
[2][18]cwhamm at frontier.com writes:
> >>
> >> Also what is the best gear oil for
> >> my ZF transaxle?
> >>
> >>>>> This is a very important question. I think there is a
tendancy
> >> among many people to just grab any old gear oil and throw it
in there,
> >> but the nature of a transaxle demands that one pays very
close
> >> attention to the manufacturer's recommendations. All gear
oils are NOT
> >> created equal!
> >> In this case, the first thing to do is RTFM.
> >> The manual specifically calls for SAE 80, AP GL5
> >> (SAE 90 in Europe).
> >> 7 1/2 pints of the stuff.
> >> While it is very easy to find SAE 80-90 gear oil, it is
surprisingly
> >> difficult to find *GL5* gear oil, and that's the important
part. GL5
> >> oil has specific characteristics designed to work with the
types of
> >> synchros that our gearboxes have, which are different from
most other
> >> gearboxes, and definitely different from a typical
differential/rear
> >> axle.
> >> If you go to most auto parts stores, there will be lots of
gear oil on
> >> the shelf but none of it will be GL5. The only place I have
reliably
> >> found GL5 is NAPA auto parts; it is made by Sta-Lube/CRC.
> >> Here is the exact link to what you should buy:
> >>
[3][1][19]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL2
473
> >> It is normally sold in pints or gallons; since you need 7.5
pints and
> >> there are 8 pints in a gallon, obviously it is to your
advantage to buy
> >> a gallon jug. My local NAPA store used to carry them, but I
just had
> >> to order a jug a couple of weeks ago as they only have pints
now.
> >> While you're at it, you might as well buy a gear oil pump,
also by
> >> Sta-Lube:
> >>
[4][2][20]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL4
344
> >> Harbor Freight has a better picture of it:
> >>
[5][3][21]http://www.harborfreight.com/sta-lube-gear-fluid-oil-pump-
40714.ht
ml
> >> Using this pump has transformed my life. Normally filling a
ZF gearbox
> >> is a painful experience involving a lot of spilled gear oil
and
> >> profanity. This turns it into a breeze. Just put the end
of the hose
> >> in the side of the gearbox (where it's cleverly retained),
and start
> >> pumping until you feel silly. When oil starts drooling out
the side,
> >> you're done. Let it sit for a few minutes, give a few more
pumps just
> >> to be sure, then you're really done.
> >> Mike (going to change my gearbox oil tomorrow as a matter of
fact....)
> >> _______________________________________________
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> > 1. mailto:[26]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > 2. mailto:[27]cwhamm at frontier.com
> > 3.
[6][28]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL2473
> > 4.
[7][29]http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=SL4344
> > 5.
[8][30]http://www.harborfreight.com/sta-lube-gear-fluid-oil-pump-407
14.ht
ml
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[49]http://www.harborfreight.com/sta-lube-gear-fluid-oil-pump-40714.
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